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TyTN on Cingular : UMTS or Not...?

So I've been reading through lots of posts on the forum and over at Howard Forums about whether you can get the TyTN to use the UMTS network on Cingular.
Some people have said that your IMEI number has to be registered in your data account with Cingular otherwise you don't actually jump on their UMTS network (even though you see the "U" on your display).
Some people have said that you only need a 3G SIM card (which I have) and the same GPRS settings and that you will then be able to use UMTS.
I called Cingular Data Support yesterday and asked these questions, and whether you need to have the UMTS_AUTO_ATTACH_FEATURE item on your account to enable UMTS and he told me:
1. Your phone IMEI does in fact need to be in your data account setup, otherwise your phone doesn't actually use (or won't register to) the UMTS network.
2. If it isn't, you are just using the GSM network, even though your phone might be showing the "U".
He tried entering my IMEI number into my data account, but he said it comes up as "UNKNOWN." Normally he said that when you enter a valid IMEI number (from the 3G phone models they sell), it automatically adds several features to your data account that enable UMTS, such as the UMTS_AUTO_ATTACH_FEATURE item.
So.... that said, I'm still not 100% sure that I agree/belive this. The reason being is that when I'm downtown (I live in Seattle), or really most places in the city, I have the U indicator, and additionally my phone shows I'm on the "UMTS Cingular" network--I also have the same roaming indicator problem that people have discussed on other threads.
Also, when I run the speed test at dslreport.com, I get average speeds between 822 - 976Kbs on the speed test.
When I am at home, my phone switches to the "G" symbol and the network name changes back to "Cingular"--I live in a bit of a signal shadow. When I run the speed test, I only get speeds around 235 - 322Kbs.
So it would seem to me that when my phone shows the "U" symbol that I'm actually on UMTS due to the data speeds I'm getting, vs. the data speeds I'm getting while on the "G" symbol (GPRS).
Any ideas or thoughts?

Not true.
I have a TyTN on Cingular and most definitely am on the UMTS network.
I get HSDPA speeds when it shows "U" and EDGE speeds when it shows "G".
Cingular data support are feeding you a line. All you need is a 3G SIM.

You got bad information. If you have the "U," you're on the UMTS network. Simple as that!

I was on UMTS today. I have a 3g SIM card, but I have just a GSM phone, SE Z520, registered with Cingular.

EDGE isn't capable of speeds in excess of 400kb/sec. Your testing proves that you were running on the UMTS network. For final proof, try this:
Start a large data transfer rate test while on the UMTS network. Now, while the test is running, try calling your phone. Hopefully, you'll be able to see it ringing while the data transfer is still going.

Also see the big U on the old AT&T network.

they told me the same thing, i went to atlanta last weekend and was on UMTS with my TyTN, and got speeds over 500kbit (i do have a 3g sim, they dont have my IMEI on record), so they were most definately wrong. Slingbox is great on 3g btw, hopefully they will turn up Miami soon

jsamuels said:
Also see the big U on the old AT&T network.
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Do you have 3G SIM card with ATT&T? How did you get it?

If you have a U it means you are on UMTS. Get the fieldtest utility from the wiki and use it

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sspooner said:
I have a TyTN on Cingular and most definitely am on the UMTS network.
I get HSDPA speeds when it shows "U" and EDGE speeds when it shows "G".
Cingular data support are feeding you a line. All you need is a 3G SIM.
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Same here in michigan. just popped in my 3G sim and everything is fast.

Configure Unlocked Universal for USA Cingular Medianet

First of all, allow me to apologize for posting this in the "General" area, rather than in the Universal specific area. I am, indeed, a bonehead.
I recently purchased an HTC Universal (my version: O2 XDA Exec--what can I say; I like black), and would like to configure it so that I can access Cingular's MediaNet service here in the U.S. I tried to follow the procedure for other similar phones, but as the Universal doesn't have exactly the same layout of connection options and so forth, I failed miserably.
Has anyone attempted to do this, and if so, how did you get it to work? I've gone as far as setting up the basic GPRS information, but I can't find any way to access a proxy server on the device. Any advice from anyone?
Doug

If you just change the My ISP tab, then you won't have the option to input a proxy server. Try adding a new connection and you should have the option to add a proxy

I was successfully able to set up the my XDA Exec on cingular. You need to create a new isp connection and a new dialup connection, for the dialup choose gprs,3g. Then for the access point put in wap.cingular. Thats it. Unfortunately the cingular network in the US does not support UMTS but in a few areas, and is not on teh same freqency as the UMTS in europe (2100mhz), the few test markets for cingular have it on the 850mhz band. The Universal does not support the 850mhz band at all. You'll find that the cingular gprs connection is extremely flakey. On top of that, unless you're lucky enough to live in a VERY RURAL Area (is that lucky?) Cingulars metro freqency of choice is 850mhz, so you'll get little service and tons of drops. TMobile is predominately 1900mhz, their GPRS is rock solid, (albet still as slow as gprs is) much faster than cingular and way more stable. Good luck.

Sess said:
I was successfully able to set up the my XDA Exec on cingular. You need to create a new isp connection and a new dialup connection, for the dialup choose gprs,3g. Then for the access point put in wap.cingular. Thats it. Unfortunately the cingular network in the US does not support UMTS but in a few areas, and is not on teh same freqency as the UMTS in europe (2100mhz), the few test markets for cingular have it on the 850mhz band. The Universal does not support the 850mhz band at all. You'll find that the cingular gprs connection is extremely flakey. On top of that, unless you're lucky enough to live in a VERY RURAL Area (is that lucky?) Cingulars metro freqency of choice is 850mhz, so you'll get little service and tons of drops. TMobile is predominately 1900mhz, their GPRS is rock solid, (albet still as slow as gprs is) much faster than cingular and way more stable. Good luck.
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I got it connected. Yup, you're right; lots of drops. Since my contract is up in November, I might consider moving to TMobile. How is their nationwide coverage compared to Cingular? Better, worse, or about the same?
Thanks,
Doug

dougom said:
I got it connected. Yup, you're right; lots of drops. Since my contract is up in November, I might consider moving to TMobile. How is their nationwide coverage compared to Cingular? Better, worse, or about the same?
Thanks,
Doug
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I wish I could be of more help on this one, but I've only used the universal in 5 major cities in teh US, New Orleans LA, Boston MA, Albuquerque NM, Amherst MA, and Metairie LA. Great coverage from tmo in all those areas, a little spotty in some larger buildings on teh uni, but on my Excalibur I get great coverage almost everywhere I've been, including my long drive from LA to FLorida (Ft Lauderdale). Almost guarantee that you'll get better results with TMO if you stick with the Uni, though there are now actually phones I would consider much better.

How to configure 3G?

Hi techies
I have recently brought a Cingular Connection with the data feature. The Data feature includes 3G service as well. However, I don't know how to configure 3G on my Imate-Jasjar. I have read at few places that there is some problem with the frequency bands in which 3G operates. So, just to add the info, I am living in washington in Redmond. Can anyone help me with this problem, How can I configure my Cingular 3G service on my Jasjar?
Thanks

As long as you have your phone settings on auto, it will automatically use 3g where it has a signal. The JasJar uses UMTS 2100, so I hope that's what is available in your area.

mr_dar said:
Hi techies
I have recently brought a Cingular Connection with the data feature. The Data feature includes 3G service as well. However, I don't know how to configure 3G on my Imate-Jasjar. I have read at few places that there is some problem with the frequency bands in which 3G operates. So, just to add the info, I am living in washington in Redmond. Can anyone help me with this problem, How can I configure my Cingular 3G service on my Jasjar?
Thanks
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The Latest iMate Rom includes Operator CAB files.
You select your operation and it installs the settings for the selected operator in the Phone.
I have T-mobile NL. So by selecting it, it installed my acces point, MMS settings and GPRS Settings.
Other option is to go to the webside of your provider and find the options needed there.
Sharky48
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Thanks for the replies.
AlanJC
I just checked the Cingular's website and found that Cingular has launched UMTS 1900 .
Is there any other way that I can get my jasjar work with UMTS 1900??
Thanks in advance

I'd like to know if anyone has 3g working on Cingular's network.
I don't think it can happen

[3G] Cingular Woes

hey guys im using a jasjar with WM6 (and have tried with others) newest release and even all the WM5 releases. I have my 3G simcard from my shop now. I have configured the phone for GPRS/3G using
Add line: GPRS,3G
wap.cingular
[email protected]
CINGULAR1
Works like a charm .... for GPRS my phone wont display 3G no matter what.
I live in NJ and tried multiple areas such as elizabeth and middlesex. I have also tried manhattan and still no go. I spoke to customer service and had them re provision everything and still NO!
Then some clown says that the only phones that go on the 3G network are firmware locked versions of cingular phones.
now i have 2 universal same issues one is jasjar on is Qtek9000 and i have seen other cingular USA customers on the forums using a universal and on 3g...
whats wrong? its not even letting me see it much less connect to it all i see is "G"

ok after much findings and a lot of searches the jasjar has 2100 while cingular is using 850/1900.
will cingular every use 2100 or is some mod to the radio rom possible? prob not but...

So can anyone advise if its possible to mod the radio rom to make the jasjar support 1900 UTMS?
or is this a hardware limitation?
if same hardware i don't see why it wouldn't be possible
i mean the phone does connect to 1900 for other services in USA why couldn't you hack the radio rom?

Same problem here. I can't understand why there is not a radio hack. What a waste of a good phone.

1wayjonny said:
whats wrong? its not even letting me see it much less connect to it all i see is "G"
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You might already be connected and you don't know. From what I know, the WM6 can't show the 3G icon, it always show G icon even when connected to 3G.
Have you read this thread and tried V2 of the 3G Icon? THREAD: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=293375
Please let me know if it works on yours. I don't have 3G SIM, but I do have Cingular. Thanks.

You cannot simply do a "radio hack" as that would be like putting a Dodge engine in a Chevy vehicle its just not that simple. Or a square box in a circular hole.
Also I believe the main reason is due to Cing/T Mo have no ownership in the 2Ghz spectrum (Sprint does though). T Mobile will be using the 1700 area for their 3G service which is brilliant as we will not have to colliding networks around the same specturm. However this begs the question on what will happen with unlocked 3G phones in the future.
pink

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You cannot simply do a "radio hack" as that would be like putting a Dodge engine in a Chevy vehicle its just not that simple. Or a square box in a circular hole.
Also I believe the main reason is due to Cing/T Mo have no ownership in the 2Ghz spectrum (Sprint does though). T Mobile will be using the 1700 area for their 3G service which is brilliant as we will not have to colliding networks around the same specturm. However this begs the question on what will happen with unlocked 3G phones in the future.
pink
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The question is since the universal has 1900 and 2100 band, is umts being pushed over the 2100 band via the os or radio rom or even a setting in the registry. Or is this a hardware setting only.
Jmallen

1wayjonny said:
hey guys im using a jasjar with WM6 (and have tried with others) newest release and even all the WM5 releases. I have my 3G simcard from my shop now. I have configured the phone for GPRS/3G using
Add line: GPRS,3G
wap.cingular
[email protected]
CINGULAR1
Works like a charm ....
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Just wanted to bump this up, in case anyone is still looking. I just got my Universal, and these settings still work for me. (December 2010)

Thanks for this bump, hope will be useful for someone

Confusion about Cingular and 3G/U/H/G/E icon

I'm a little confused about the internet connection icons that vary according to ROM and carrier. If I'm on Cingular in the US what 3G technology is this? Is it UMTS or HSDPA? Also, which icon set would I need to properly display whether I'm on GPRS, EDGE, or the 3G network?

GliTCH82 said:
I'm a little confused about the internet connection icons that vary according to ROM and carrier. If I'm on Cingular in the US what 3G technology is this? Is it UMTS or HSDPA? Also, which icon set would I need to properly display whether I'm on GPRS, EDGE, or the 3G network?
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This will answer some of your question at least:
http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jhtml?term=cellulargenerations
Mike

GliTCH82 said:
I'm a little confused about the internet connection icons that vary according to ROM and carrier. If I'm on Cingular in the US what 3G technology is this? Is it UMTS or HSDPA? Also, which icon set would I need to properly display whether I'm on GPRS, EDGE, or the 3G network?
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all 3G cingular towers in the US have been upgraded to support HSDPA. if your device can use HSDPA, and you're on a cingular UMTS tower, then you'll be able to take advantage of HSDPA. HSDPA activates and deactivates on the fly, so if you're not actively transferring data the device will shut down HSDPA and fall back to UMTS until data beings to move again.
if you are using a cingular 8525 with 1.34 ROM, you'll see "U" when connected via UMTS, regardless of HSDPA being active or not.
if you are using a cingular 8525 with 2.06 ROM, you'll see "3G" when connected via UMTS/HSDPA, or optionally (via registry edit) "3G" with UMTS and "H" when HSDPA is actived.
i hope that was semi clear...i tried!

wait a minute. ive got a U showing, but i have 3G with a 3G simcard, so if it doesnt say 3G, than im not getting 3G? ive always thought the U was 3G.