Bought the O2 trion from eBay (user: puremobility) - he said it was an english version. Received it today (in Australia) - its completely GERMAN!!
I cant even power it on (yes tried the power button with the USB power plugged in for the last three hours).
Can someone please post an English manual/guide/etc. (FTP?) or eMail me njay22 at hot..mail
Thanks,
njay
Why do you need a manual?
Have you tried to remove the battery for a minute and then switching it on again?
njay22, im also in Australia, let me know how you go with your device......i also bought a trion but not from ebay......i was watching the ebay item from puremobility as well but i ended up buying it from an online shop in Germany called MG&C......should be arriving here in Australia on Monday......i paid extra for changing it from German to english operating system......i'll let you know if mine is really in english as well......regarding the manual, i'm waiting for MG&C to send me the english manual once its available from them, apparently they are in the middle of creating one......
Yes there is a reason puremobilities feedback hasnt increased over the last cpl weeks and one might suspect this is why.
You dont need a manual it should power on just as it is.
Remove and reinsert the battery.
Plug into USB on computer
maybe let charge until green light comes on (That way you know its fully charged and battery is okay).
Then press and hold the power button, top button on the right side of the device, until the screen comes on.
If that doesnt work, id start working on ways to get your $$$ back.
its working
After removing the battery and hard resetting and then charging it overnight its working.
I would still really appreciate the English manual. Anyone? Even Dopod's or HTC's will do. Am I missing s/w too (as I can’t read the German language CD included). I want to know the intricacies of this device.
Even though I received it y'day, its serial # is HT626 - is that bad?
Basically, puremobility put in the Dopod ROM (1.23.707.1?); my problem is that he never mentions this in his auction - if he had, then I would have been empowered to make the decision and not feel ripped off; contemplating giving him negative feedback
No the serial number theory pretty much went out the window. It seems plain and simple earlier models were most prone to poor QA, but now the newer models can have some of the faults but it isnt as frequent.
manual anyone
so is there anyone that can send me an english manual? I am really struggling with the phone (not everyone is as tech savvy as the majority of the people here).
thanks in advance.
njay22 said:
Bought the O2 trion from eBay (user: puremobility) - he said it was an english version. Received it today (in Australia) - its completely GERMAN!!
I cant even power it on (yes tried the power button with the USB power plugged in for the last three hours).
Can someone please post an English manual/guide/etc. (FTP?) or eMail me njay22 at hot..mail
Thanks,
njay
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I would assist:
Would be great to have an English (better also a German PDF manual for the TyTN uploaded to the ftp.
The PDF manual does exist (look at the FCC site) - but it is still under NDA, which I don't understand by now, as the device is in the market already.
Why don't you just install the english ROM. I don't think you really need the manual for this. most things are pretty self explanatory and if you have any questions just ask it in this forum or Howard Forums:
http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=181
If you just need to get started.. download activesync 4.1 or (4.2?), just google it.. install it, and hook up ur TyTN to your comp when it's done installing. You should be able to get started from there.
Instead of initially chanrging via the usB lead, it might be an idea to use the mains charger.. just a thought
rgds
Jim
You can download the user manual (for the dutch release, but the text is in english) here:
http://www.smartmobility.nl/_BIN/ME_DT_WWE_Manual.pdf
Quick start guide:
http://www.smartmobility.nl/_BIN/ME_DT_WWE_QSG.pdf
Good luck.
Perfect
YEAH!! Thanks Stefan you are a legend
So many things to learn - e.g what data/settings do I loose if I remove the battery
Good bed time reading ...
nJ
there is an english rom in the upgrade tytn forum i belive
there is an english rom in the upgrade tytn forum i belive
Related
Go here to have a look.
hey, i saw that too this afternoon. wonder if it could be used by english speaking users? it says WWE, so i guess it is in english?
i'm uploading the unpacked installation folder to FTP now. maybe someone who knows his thing, could could magic a .bat file to change the carrier?
I have a S100 bought in Sweden with rom-version 1.3.00 WWE, anyone tried the upgrade on this version?
Is it possible to first upgrade 1.3.00 to 1.3.148? Anyone has a link to such an upgrade?
Appreciate all feedback!
pell0, try www.smartmobile.se go to the update page and enter your IMEI, if your device is supported wich I think it will be you will be abel to download the package and install it, make sure your device is charged to at least 80% befor starting the upgrade. Write a note here when your done so we know if it worked or not.
Or http://www.smartmobile.se/upgrade/upgrade.aspx for the update page directly.
Damned, why don't we have the same in France ..... I can't find who is supporting Qtek and ROM Updates in France ...
Anyway, what's your opinion before/after an update, do you have a backup and then do a restore or do you start from scratch and re-install all programs.
The reason why I'm asking is that some companys recomends the latter, reinstall all programs instead of doing a restore.
Peter
OK, i have tested works so great with the update, connection with cradle is 5 times faster, i have 1gb card and lots of ppc movies goeas really fast now, but i recomend an hard reset and reinstallation.
After update I experience that the audio quality is soo much better then before, bluetooth seems more stabel and more easy to connect to. T9 Swedish input, yey that is soo much better then before. Anything els... Camera, better but still not good.
If the unit was a 3 on a scale of 5 before, its at least a 4 now.
After update I did everything from scratch. Why? Just feal so much cleaner then to use a backup.
Tnx Badger for helping me out of a dreadful situation. I am pretty satisfied with my new unit.
The only real difference that i noticed was that the device responed a lot quicker and that i have Swedish, Finnish, Norweigan, Danish T9 Dictionaries. However they only apply when using "Phone Pad" as an inputdevice. Other then that, nothing. It´s still the same dreadful MS BTstack and it still have some bugs. I couldn´t restore. Either from ActiveSync nor from Xbackup. Activesync gave me an error about another version and after using Xbackup the touchscreen did not respond, at all. But i was time for a fresh start anyway,
Hello All,
Thanks for your feedback!
Can you please put your ExtROM content on the FTP?
Thanks !
Thanks, I will update my norwegian Qtek s100 later today. I believe the message about the ROM only working for swedish models are BS... I've used ROMs from qtek.nu earlier (Qtek2020) and they always worked great, don't see what could be a problem now...
popsi said:
Thanks, I will update my norwegian Qtek s100 later today. I believe the message about the ROM only working for swedish models are BS... I've used ROMs from qtek.nu earlier (Qtek2020) and they always worked great, don't see what could be a problem now...
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Crap! Country ID error... well I guess we need the passwords so we can change the ROM..
Yes...
And how is it possible to obtain this passwd, by deassembling the file, or only waiting someone who already have it (Qtek or HTC team ...) ?
My IMEI number doesn't work! Guess I'll have to talk with their help desk. Sigh...
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Confirming that it won't work with german MDA. This has to be resolved somehow....
could anyone please upload the Swedish, Finnish, Norweigan, Danish T9 Dictionaries for the intellipad - i have the imate jam and can not update...but i am interested in these files due to the fact that i am DANISH
Thanks in advance
worx g8 !
only thingy is that the T9 only worx with phonepad "intellipad".
i cant see why it shouldnt work with the keybord as well.. guess they were in a hurry putting it together...its a big bad not have the correct t9 language when introducing a new modell today..
otherwise im happy with it.
Updating right now, but it doesn't look good!
Well, after reading about this new firmware, I was thrilled!
It will fix some of the few faults I've seen in the S100.
And now, I've downloaded the new firmware, the installation guide, I've backup'ed my old sms's and contacts and done everything I needed to do.
Started installing. The program checked old firmware, gave me the green light and I pressed "Next".
Now it says:
"Checking the information on your device... Please wait...
Please don't disconnect bla. bla. bla."
The thing that concerns me, is the fact that it's been saying that for 10 minutes now, and the computer isn't doing anything (No CPU- or Harddrive-activity).
All the display on my S100 says is "USB" on top and "v1. 00" at the bottom.
If anyone who has done this upgrade could tell me what is supposed to happen and how long it takes, I would appreciate it alot!
Thanks!
Hi,
I recently upgraded my Blue Angel (Yes I know this is a Magician thread!), but the problem you described it exactly the same as what I had happen.
I found that it only ever happened (hung/froze) if I tried to flash it with the SD card in. Not entirely sure why, but whenever I did it without it in it worked fine.
Anyway, you should be able to safely remove the phone from the cradle (it hasn't started yet anyway if it still says USB...). As you remove it it'll change to Serial, but that's fine. Leave the program on the PC running.
Things to try:
First just take out the SD card and see if it works again when you redock it.
Failing that hard reset it (should come back to the same Serial/USB screen) and redock that. If it still doesn't work, then take the battery out, wait 30 minutes or however long it takes for a Magicians backup battery to die (about 25 minutes on a Blue Angel) and then put it back on. If still not working kill the program/reload it, but I'm sure you'll have it working way before that.
Obviously I'm only saying what I've seen from my BA, but it doesn't seem that different. Also I've yet to see one person permanently fry their phone on here so I wouldn't panic yet (if you were - which I know I was!)
Hope that was some help!
Hi guys, great forum.
I must admit to being rather nieve and lost in all the technical stuff! Im a newbie to the XDA world, and so far Im loving it!
I bought my O2 XDA mini s on ebay, at just over 2 months old. Its in perfect condition, but when I try to remove the O2 software, it's not on the list... but its definately still on there!
Should I let my battery run out and reboot it?
Also it wont link with the outlook on my pc (installed from the cd) so it looks like its gonna take me 3 weeks of typing to put all my contacts in to it!
Can someone point me in the right direction for a thread? Or is there a good site for newbies to look at in layman's terms?
Any help would be extremely well recieved!
Cheers
Hi Gary
sorry mate can't help but noticed your post had no answer. Like you I am not a techie. Most of the posters on here seem to do nothing but experiment with their XDA's all day There is a wealh of info and help but sadly only useful to other techies.
There doesn't appear to be anything geared at assisting casual users and non techies that have neither the time or inclination to fiddle with ROM's and software etc .
I reckon that would be a useful sticky for noobs- like how to change/ customise the desktop and install various A/V software and remove o2 software etc
Suggest you get the full manual and wade through that.
I bought my o2 mini s at xmas and haven't made a single call on it yet . Its far too complicated for me and working 12 hour days I've no time to play about with it. :roll:
I'm no techy either but I do know that if you do a hard reset and choose corporate install the O2 stuff is not installed. There's some good advice here too - it's maybe a bit less technical than this site.
http://www.clieuk.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=45
Dave
Cheers for the replys Dave and Peanut.
I managed to find something useful here... http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287641
if theres anyone else thats confused about this stuff.
I'm really happy with mine, on the whole it seems pretty simple to use. I hate that it doesnt close programmes when you click the x though.
Im gonna have a little play, but I'll need to get my mms and gprs info from orange first if i install the corporate profile.
I find that if the phone is on for more than 5 mins ifI press the green call button it doesnt bring up the phone screen, even with the normal power setting! I'm hoping this new profile will speed the bad boy up a bit too!
WiFi is a godsend on a mobile! Yey!
Without going through all the palava of flashing a new Rom the easiest way of really removing the O2 crud is to do a Hard Reset of the device (hold the Com Manager and Voice Command buttons the poke the little reset hole on the right hand side of the unit.
When you get the option select corporate installation option and then if I remember correctly you get a count down, press the reset button (without the other two buttons) again briefly to do a soft reset this should then start Windows in its regular non O2 sullied form.
Hope this helped.
Hey dudes,
I know this has probably been adressed a million times in other threads but I’m boggled by everything. I know nothing much about flashing and need some kind soul to take me under their wing and explain very basically how you go about flashing an HTC that only give you the white screen of death when you try and turn it on.
Here’s a description of whats gone wrong:
I have a HTC P4350. After installing a program too many from the internet it stopped turning on. Every time I try and turn it on I get the white screen of death and then nothing else. I now have a useless brick instead of a much needed device that allows me to translate the crazy world of Russian language on the move.
As I bought it in France but am now living in Russia, I can't get it prepared so think I need to flash it. I e-mailed Cordon Electronics in France, who apparently are responsible for repair of these devices, and they told me it’s only possible to do anything in their repair shops in France. That is surely bollocks and I can’t wait the weeks that that would take.
Questions:
- Where can I get a rom that fits my device? I see mention of WMs and RUUs without knowing whatthat really means. All I can say is that it is an HTC p4350 that I bought in France in May from FNAC.
- How exactly do I use a ROM to flash my knackered device? Do I need a special cable or software?
- Is it possible to use an English ROM in my French device or do I HAVE to get a French ROM? (I'd prefer an English ROM)
-I'm desperately struggling without my device so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Paul
Well if it is just a software issue you might be able to Hard Reset the device. Basically this reformats the device and reloads the current ROM on your phone. You will loose all data on the device though. Any route you go at this point you will probably have to deal with data loss. Instructions for a hard reset are in the Wiki.
It worked! Cheers dude!
You beauty!
I just followed you instructions and that worked fine. I didn't realise it could be so easy. There was a tough moment when I didn't know what "soft buttons" meant but I battled through and made it through the three lines of instructions .
You can pat yourself on the back for doing your good Samaritan job of the day and helping out a helpless newbie. You have no idea how hard it was trying to explain the word verruca to a Russian pharmacist without the Russian dictionary I have on my HTC.
Thanks a lot,
Paul
Got a HTC P3450 that won't respond to anything. Plug in USB, nothing. Plug in charger, nothing. Hard reset, nothing.
Throw in the bin or is resurrection possible?
Can you try to press the power + camera button together?
Do you see a bootloader screen.
If the phone still wont start , it maybe one of these issues.
- Battery totally dead
- Motherboard Issue (Which you are screwed)
- Power button issue.
Ok I tried the power + camera button together and nothing happened.
I have two batteries and neither work. I tried power + camera button together with the unit plugged into the power socket and via USB and that didn't do anything either.
So I guess it's down to a bad motherboard or a power button issue. Although if it was just a power button issue the charge light or something would come on or something yeh?
100% no power on, everything tried
I bricked my ELF01000 but Dopod 601 China by ....
shameful mistake of rebuilding the ROM without erasing the "backup" word from: -
backup_GSM.nb
backup_IPL.nb
backup_mainsplash.nb
backup_os.nb
backup_spl.nb
hence now can't even power on from
1. camera+power+reset once and hold camera+power
2. phone dial and disconnect together + reset once and hold phone dial and disconnect
3. regular reset
4. battery removed - plugged in USB
5. battery removed - plugged in adaptor from mains
6. battery inside + USB or mains
7. battery from another elf with over 70% power
8. plugged into adaptor from mains overnight 8 hours
9. all no orange light on the indicator
Even if every software code is wrong, the indicator light should be ON right???
all failed
simply won't power on,
if only can get into bootloader >>...........
Ohmy, thats bad.
Could it be like a bad motherboard or connector issue?
actually it's not my own ELF, sorry!!! misinformed you all.
It's my friend's Dopod S1.
I've surrendered my ELF HK english WWE to him as a replacement.
Currently using Asus P552w GalaxyMini2, although much faster but extremely unstable and buggy
resisting to buy a blackstone , may be will try the rumoured release of LEO ????
Anyway, still hope someone can provide some light to this "can't power on at all issue".
cx5 said:
I bricked my ELF01000 but Dopod 601 China by ....
shameful mistake of rebuilding the ROM without erasing the "backup" word from: -
backup_GSM.nb
backup_IPL.nb
backup_mainsplash.nb
backup_os.nb
backup_spl.nb
hence now can't even power on from
1. camera+power+reset once and hold camera+power
2. phone dial and disconnect together + reset once and hold phone dial and disconnect
3. regular reset
4. battery removed - plugged in USB
5. battery removed - plugged in adaptor from mains
6. battery inside + USB or mains
7. battery from another elf with over 70% power
8. plugged into adaptor from mains overnight 8 hours
9. all no orange light on the indicator
Even if every software code is wrong, the indicator light should be ON right???
all failed
simply won't power on,
if only can get into bootloader >>...........
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If you are using a genuine htc elf.
You can try the gold card and unbricking methods at the htc upgrading forum.
cx5 said:
actually it's not my own ELF, sorry!!! misinformed you all.
It's my friend's Dopod S1.
I've surrendered my ELF HK english WWE to him as a replacement.
Currently using Asus P552w GalaxyMini2, although much faster but extremely unstable and buggy
resisting to buy a blackstone , may be will try the rumoured release of LEO ????
Anyway, still hope someone can provide some light to this "can't power on at all issue".
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Get an android phone, under htc, heard that it was better.
Hi Jeremy (nice to have someone to chat with, thanks)
I believe my friend's ELF is a genuine unit, it had pof's SPL 1.11. And a Chinese guy cooked his own rom and named it Guilin2008.02.22. Plus I could dump everything using the "automated backup.bat". Device ID by dsixda also read well.
The problem now is it could not even turn on to white screen or bootloader. I though at least it must have some power response, or else gold card unbricker won't start right?
So you recommend the "android" ..... I haven't study it at all..... though keep to WM, easy WMDC with outlook each..... plus I'm itching to get a bigger screen type, like blackstone, but ouch it's not only big, but expensive too.
Say, ELF's 200Mhz sometimes feel faster than Niki's 400Mhz (my director's unit), and also faster than Blackstone's 528Mhz (my CEO's unit). I think blackstone uses too many 3D ...... if I ever get one, must replace the rom with light versions...
Anyway, learning to cook my own now, only managed to dump, but still don't understand enough to cook.... well keep reading
Hello CX5,
Thanks alot for dropping by XDA, without you, there wont be me, either.
Yeah, I feel that those devices with more processing power, HTC would usually like to cramp lots of useless animations to the device, thus taking up more space and more power and make the phone slower, so you will buy a new set soon.
Talking about your elf, I cant really help, you may have to drop by your closest service centre for a checkup. I am only more technically inclined to software issues, so hopefully, someone with technical knowledge is able to help you with this.
Android is really a good OS, I managed to install it on my ELF recently, just to give a spin on how it works. Its great, good to use and most importantly, open source.
I seen the newspaper recently, and have you heard about that famous MP3 player brand called Creative, those people originated from my hometown, Singapore. They recently lauched a new phone which comes with their own OS or Google Android, and it cost around $120 USD for Telecoms to buy and rebrand themselves.
I clearly see Android being the next OS, and on top of that, Microsoft's Office is teaming up with Nokia, to install Microsoft Office Mobile onto Nokia Symbian phones.
With that,
I wish you all the best for your phone ( A New one, probably )
Jeremy
Thanks again Jeremy
yeah, my friend's send the wrongly_flash ELF to a hwardware repair, let you know outcome later.
say, just realized Iolite is 528Mhz, I'm able to get it at RMB 1.8k ~ USD225, was my favorite choice before laying eyes on Blackstone.
hmmmmmm. android good on ELF eh............
ok, study study study...................
Hahaha, you are from China?
I have so many China friends at my country in Singapore.
They do so well in maths and chinese, good talent!
--
To be frank with you, just choose a phone you like, and suit your budget and get it. Its too hard catching what is new as there is something new everyday.
Even for myself, im studying too. So ya, money is quite hard to come sometimes.
Iolite sound great, Blackstone is better.
Blackstone has so many apps available, and they have more support in their community there.
Have you checked out the android phones, htc magic and htc dream?
They are quite cool.
Best Of Luck in Studies,
Jeremy
Hi again
Actually I'm Malaysian, working in HK, often visit to factory in China, while my main customers in Taiwan, finally with little visit to customers in Japan.
Anyway, I still like the Iolite design, but screen is not big enough , while blackstones screen is big and nice, but complaining it can't fit into pocket comfortable. Anyway......
I haven't got a chance to study the android, magic or dream. Too busy working. But will someday.
Yes, best of luck to studies.
Oh, all the best for your dream phone!
Hello,
I am new on this forum (speaking of posting) i've been reading alot on this forum.
unfortunately, not enough..
Yesterday i got a htc hd2 from my dad because he couldn't work with it.
the only problem was that if he was calling the other person heard him like being in a bathroom or so,
I tought maybe it was because of the software ( i have put android on it about 2-3 month's ago maybe a bad version)
So i decided to put another version on it..
Well everything worked fine for me , set everything up but internet wouldn't open,
So i decided to reboot the phone, but that's where it went wrong, the whole phone died , not responding on powerbutton or anything else,
So as far as i know it's bricked.
the only wat to unbrick it (i know) is by using a jtag riff box, i don't know anyone in my country (the netherlands) who have it.
Now i don't know what to do.
sell the phone as broken for parts like display etc.
of shall i buy a box myself (107 euro without connector)
What are the points of concidering besides of the money,
is it enough to buy the box + connector and then download the software, or do i need to buy licenses too?
if not it's very attracting, an maybe i can even help other people who have bricked his/hers phone
If anybody have a trustable site for me to buy one in europe also please let me know.
madco said:
Hello,
I am new on this forum (speaking of posting) i've been reading alot on this forum.
unfortunately, not enough..
Yesterday i got a htc hd2 from my dad because he couldn't work with it.
the only problem was that if he was calling the other person heard him like being in a bathroom or so,
I tought maybe it was because of the software ( i have put android on it about 2-3 month's ago maybe a bad version)
So i decided to put another version on it..
Well everything worked fine for me , set everything up but internet wouldn't open,
So i decided to reboot the phone, but that's where it went wrong, the whole phone died , not responding on powerbutton or anything else,
So as far as i know it's bricked.
the only wat to unbrick it (i know) is by using a jtag riff box, i don't know anyone in my country (the netherlands) who have it.
Now i don't know what to do.
sell the phone as broken for parts like display etc.
of shall i buy a box myself (107 euro without connector)
What are the points of concidering besides of the money,
is it enough to buy the box + connector and then download the software, or do i need to buy licenses too?
if not it's very attracting, an maybe i can even help other people who have bricked his/hers phone
If anybody have a trustable site for me to buy one in europe also please let me know.
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Hi,
Can you get into bootloader?
Power on and hold volume button down.
Can you get into tri-color screen?
malybru said:
Hi,
Can you get into bootloader?
Power on and hold volume button down.
Can you get into tri-color screen?
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No, unfortunatly even that is not working,
The whole phone is not responding on anything.
i can push my powerbutton, but even no light goes on , and nothing appears on the display.
That's why i guess it's bricked (also because i am using a t-mobile sim even it is a HD2 which is sold by a hi (kpn nl) provider)
Nobody has an idea what's best to do? or does know someone in the netherlands with a box?
It would be easier to help you if you would have said what you've done to the phone.
I find it very hard to brick this phone if HSPL was on it, as there is nothing the Malgdr or CWM can do to ruin it (to my knowledge).
Try these two things:
1) Is the battery charged - sometimes that might be the problem
2) Connect the phone to your PC, and see if it recognizes it.
Let us know how it went.
madco said:
Nobody has an idea what's best to do? or does know someone in the netherlands with a box?
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Sorry, don't have a box.
But, Check the battery pins, commonly, one of these are bent, and that's why it won't boot-up.
Does it use Magldr? or cLK? (Eg, when you booted, did you see a black screen with white text, and gogogo as the last line?(magldr) or did it just boot as android(cLK).
If cLK, put your phone in charger and see if the red light turns on.
Hope this helps a bit,
Eelke
I had mine jtag here in teh US I am not sure the cost involved but he can fix it for you if you care to have it shipped here. The person that did it is a member of xda and gave me fantastic service I can send you his website if that interests you. Just PM me if you wish.
Good Luck
Riff?
Never heard of one. Will a repair shop not have one?
Check the battery compartment and see if any pins connecting the battery to the phone are bent in a wrong direction. If so, correct this, put battery back in, connect phone to charger / USB and try turning it on.
Okay, back since a while.
Last week i found my HD2 again, (still not working.. )
So i thought about going to fix it.
I found out it isn't the battery though.. i tried another one in my phone, still dead,
My battery in another phone.. and that works.
So now i want to buy an riff box for sure, i fond some at the internet but i don't know if i can trust those sites...
First one is : http://gsmserver.com/shop/gsm/riff_box_jtag.php
Second one is: http://www.multi-com.pl/
third one is:http://www.ipmart.com/main/
Has anyone of yours some experience with one of these three shops?
1st one would be my first choice because they have all i want to order,
2nd one is the most expensive,
3th, miss something i want, but i can make it on by my own.
So can you please help me figure this out?
Best recommendation from me and your hd2, if you want to learn, is http://www.segger.com/j-link-edu.html (it no need credits, +++ another $, it's tootaly open for all you want with your phone) + great revskills software !!! I am happy user with all that!!! It's not automated process like in riff box but after working with it it's very great and easy!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1307644
unlucky bud
Indeed it's pretty sh*tty.
Thanks for your link munjeni, but the riff box attracts me more, just because of the easyness.
Nobody some experiences with these sites please?
madco said:
Indeed it's pretty sh*tty.
Thanks for your link munjeni, but the riff box attracts me more, just because of the easyness.
Nobody some experiences with these sites please?
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As long as you pay by PayPal, you should be covered. I'll be interested in knowing how things went...