Hi all,
On the phone parameters menu, there is a tab named TTY. Do you know what is it? Because the French translation is not great ...
Thanks!
It is the same in the english version. I don't know what is it for.
[ ] Enable TTY support
Attention: Enabling TTY support may decrease the quality of voice calls through a wired headset.
Have you looked if there's any info about this in the manual? I don't have it with me right now.
Neither do I...
We definitely need a PDF version of the manual
I could be wrong, but isn't TTY a technology for assisting the deaf/hard-of-hearing?
It can refer to the text phones or 'minicom' that are used by deaf people.
If the TyTN can make calls straight to landline minicom's, that would be great!
Did anyone look in their manual?
If not - I will try calling my minicom with it next week when I get mine... can't wait
snalbansed said:
It can refer to the text phones or 'minicom' that are used by deaf people.
If the TyTN can make calls straight to landline minicom's, that would be great!
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Exactly correct! The TTY or Minicom (UK version) service uses an old 5-bit Baudot coding rather than ASCII or Unicode; this would allow messaging to / from TTY units.
Just a case where the needs of the disabled community have again been recognized!
I'm afraid gpstoloff might be rejoicing too soon
When I got my TyTN, I tried to enable TTY. Doing so just creates the message: Unable to change TTY mode. Please try again.
I contacted HTC User support, which produced the following response:
Dear Sir
The option of TTY will allow you to connect the TyTN to a TTY compatable device for use. You will not be able to enable TTY support until the TTY device is connected.
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I replied to ask what TTY compatable devices existed, and what they were. I then got the following email:
Dear Sir
At present we do not have a list of TTY compatable devices, but I will look into this and request information from out technical team. Once I have some information I will contact you.
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I shall wait and see... :?
I suspect it is to enable a TTY to be linked to the mobile phone to make normal TTY calls, where there is no landline. I have a TTY that can do that, but whether it's compatible with the HTC is another matter (it will work with my Nokia 6310i) and you can usually get the appropriate data cable from the TTY manufacturers. Not all TTY can work with GSM phones.
I also have a Nokia 9210i which can make TTY calls direct as it has TTY software onboard. TTY software on the HTC would be a better option than a plugged in TTY in my view.
What is a TTY?
TTY stands for Text Telephone. It is also sometimes called a TDD, or Telecommunication Device for the Deaf. TTY is the more widely accepted term, however, as TTYs are used by many people, not just people who are deaf.
A TTY is a special device that lets people who are deaf, hard of hearing, or speech-impaired use the telephone to communicate, by allowing them to type messages back and forth to one another instead of talking and listening. A TTY is required at both ends of the conversation in order to communicate.
To use a TTY, you set a telephone handset onto special acoustic cups built into the TTY (some TTY models can be plugged directly into a telephone line). Then, type the message you want to send on the TTY's keyboard. As you type, the message is sent over the phone line, just like your voice would be sent over the phone line if you talked. You can read the other person's response on the TTY's text display.
If you don't have a TTY, you can still call a person who is deaf, hard of hearing, or speech-impaired by using the Telecommunications Relay Service (TRS). With TRS, a special operator types whatever you say so that the person you are calling can read your words on his or her TTY display. He or she will type back a response, which the TRS operator will read aloud for you to hear over the phone. Toll free TRS services are available 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
You can visit the Ultratec website for information about a wide range of TTYs for home, office and personal use. Or, visit these great online stores for all your assistive device needs.
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hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??
cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
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i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..
Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
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Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.
OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
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thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?
OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
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Well from reading other threads I learned that an answering machine software is not possible due to lacking ability to record from the radio audio output (on most phones, possible on univ?).
Well then how about not recording, but automatic pickup and sending prerecorded audio? Would that be possible? Like in: someone calls my phone->software picks up and plays back prerecorded message to caller "I'm in a meeting, please call back at 5pm" ->software hangs up.
Possible or not? Who would be willing to write something like this?
I think there's the same issue - the phone audio path is seperated from the PDA audio path. Read Odeean's posts on TAPI and his frustrations. However, the http://teksoftco.com boys seem to have hinted that this may in fact be possible anyway.
It may be possible I suppose, by writing specific drivers, but I don't think any of us have ever tried I guess.
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We'll keep you updated with what can be done altough the system is not built to support this kind of features. Firstly because in the US recording audio on phone conversation is ilegal so MSFT doesn't supports this and onestly i don't see HTC being able to offer this kind of support.
Also what Vijay outlined is correct... but we have a few more ideas that we are curently testing...as i said we'll post it if we succeded.
Cheers,
Raul
i believe that it is not a hardware limitation.
The sound from the gsm is not analogue. It passes through the OS somehow, otherwise how is the audio transmitted to the bt hfree?
I don't believe that the transmition of audio (from gsm) to the bt hfree is done only by hardware.
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andrew_sh is making a good point there. Maybe something can be done by "faking" bluetooth data input?
We have a working answering machine on Himalaya.
See last ROM from TofClock...
Good point made by Andrew. A new bluetooth headset driver or a fake one might do the trick. Cross your fingers guys.
The OS has evolved since Himalaya and HTC has restricted access to drivers by creating a locking mechanism and also the signing process is a hop to pass.
Guys, from my understanding and a poll I've run:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40100&highlight=telephone+poll
it doesn't seem like many people have succeeded in recording calls, and those that have are generally using the Himalaya only. The gigabyte can, but it has custom hardware.
We've discussed spoofing the bluetooth audio path before by using a dummy driver and receiver, but mamaich has stated that the audio path for the bluetooth is in hardware only, and seperated from the interceptable paths in the OS.
Rain (for those who don't know, is one of the genii at http://teksoftco.com) - if you have any new ideas, may I ask you to PM me?
Odeean, Mamaich and I have had numerous discussions about this and I'd be interested to know how your research is going. I read that you guys have experience at low level audio driver work (great work on the speakerphone btw!), and I think that might be a good way to go. There is certainly some OS control of the audio path (speakerphone, mute, headset<>bluetooth etc), so I've thought about this way...
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Having installed SJPhone 3.20b for Windows Mobile 5.0 (download from: http://www.sjphone.org/preview/ce/) I experienced very choppy inbound audio.
The solution is changing SJPhone's advanced audio settings as follows:
buffer size: 80 ms
input queue length: 10
output queue length: 5
RTP jitter queue length: 5
Audio quality through WLAN is quite okay now. As soon I'm in a place with 3G coverage I'll try to place a VoIP call over 3G, if O2 Germany hasn't blocked VoIP ports yet.
I am getting better resutls with these settings:
Driver buffer size, msec: 100
Driver input queue length: 10
Driver output queue length: 10
RTP jitter queue length: 32
Btw, x-lite ce 1.01 has better quality than SJphone, at least on my TyTN, download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=58154
Also, calls must be done using the USB headset otherwise you get horrybly echo.
I do have the sound coming from the rear speaker...is that what you have?
Further, the sound with SJphone is absolutely horrible...whatever the audio settings....
I tried X-lite..gives same effects...
It s really unusable.
When I call the same correspondant with my PC, it s seemless..
Any clues?
Thx
use the usb headset
No sound...
Hi. I am using HTC X01HT (Softbank) which is supposed to be equivalent to TyTN. I installed SJphone but for some reason no sound is coming. Seemingly, even though I don't hear any sound, the recipient phone is normally ringing. Of course, even if the recipient picks up the phone, still silence on both sides. Any solution? Thank you in advance.
Check your SIP and NAT settings. You'll have problems if your internet connection or the voip server you are connecting to are behind a NAT.
You should use a STUN-server!
@Poof
Hi Poof,
Sorry for the trivial question but I geuss that answer isn't that obvious as it seems. YOu've mentioned that you're using X-Lite with some specific settings. I've downloaded the software using the link you had provided. I did manage to specify the SIP proxy and other SIP related settings during the first run of X-Light.
My question is: HOW DO YOU CHANGE OTHER SETTINGS? In case I need to change SIP IP HOW DO I DO THAT? I didn't succeed with finding searate file responsible for configuration nor I cold find settings changes option in the application itself.
I'd appreciate if you could advice me on these mattares.
TyTN and SJPhone
Hi,
I get horrible sound delays with SJPhone + TyTN. I tried all the settings from this forum and many others and although the sound quality seems OK (I didn't see any significant improvement because of the USB headsed) the delay is 2 to 3 times bigger (up to 1.5-2 s) than on my Wizard.
Please let me know if the above mentioned settings don't give you any delay. If there's no delay, could you please let me know the ROM (and any possible improvements) that you're using?
Please follow this thread also for news:
http://forum.labs.softjoys.com/viewtopic.php?t=409&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
As for the X-Lite application - I get also delays and bad sound quality. As for its interface - it makes you go nuts, and even more. I never managed to find out how to change the settings for one SIP-account. (through the registry ? this is a joke, right?) Even the PC version is made as if that guy wanted to make a patience testing quiz, not a softphone.
Thank you all.
USB headset
It seems it has something to do wih the USB headset. If I use it - SJPhone gets stuck. If I don't use it - SJPhone runs fine and even the sound quality is acceptable
realn said:
Hi,
I get horrible sound delays with SJPhone + TyTN. I tried all the settings from this forum and many others and although the sound quality seems OK (I didn't see any significant improvement because of the USB headsed) the delay is 2 to 3 times bigger (up to 1.5-2 s) than on my Wizard.
Please let me know if the above mentioned settings don't give you any delay. If there's no delay, could you please let me know the ROM (and any possible improvements) that you're using?
Please follow this thread also for news:
http://forum.labs.softjoys.com/viewtopic.php?t=409&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20
As for the X-Lite application - I get also delays and bad sound quality. As for its interface - it makes you go nuts, and even more. I never managed to find out how to change the settings for one SIP-account. (through the registry ? this is a joke, right?) Even the PC version is made as if that guy wanted to make a patience testing quiz, not a softphone.
Thank you all.
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You can change the settings in the X-Lite app by dialing *311 and *611, these take you to the settings pages. I have however not been able to connect to the network in any way, perhaps you can shed light on the right settings, pof? I am using a voipstunt account, but I have no idea what settings I should use to get a connection to the internet. I have entered the voipstunt settings I found on their website and my account data, but for some reason the app wil not connect.
edit: For some reason when dialing a fixed line phone numer, the Caller is is displayed on the screen as the whole phone numer followed by @voipstunt.com, e.g [email protected]. It looks like the app is trying to reach a voipstunt subsciber instead of a fixed line. How did you get this to work pof? The app keeps trying for a while and then reports Call failed: 480, temporarily not available.
edit 2: Duh, I really have to learn to try more before I post here. I think that by editting the right options and using it over 3G instead of AS I have been able to connect. I cannot try any calls however, none of my contacts with fixed lines appears to be home at the moment (Or they are refusing my calls, also a likely possibility)
Really annoying though is that the app does not sound the waiting tone when it is calling a no., so you have no idea wether or not it is dialing or the connection is just not being made.
I've just installed the latest sjphone beta for ce, to use with fwd. I can't find where to change the advanced audio options. In fact the only audio control I can find is the audio wizard. Can anyoine help me.
In addition my usb headphones long since stopped working, would sound and mic be better with a bluetooth headset (in my case the itech r35) or through the phone itself?
Currently audio is unuseable using the phone, and apparently not working at all with the bluetooth headset.
Your assistance appreciated.
Disaster!!!
I sent them a mail regarding the "jointstereo" default value for the A2DP profile (you can find the details in another thread). I specified all details of the problem.
reply 1: can you please tell which headset you are using (I had already told them)
reply 2: There is no reason why your mobilephone doesn't work with the A2DP headset. It is possible that the headset is faulty. Can you please try with other headsets (I had already written that I had tried more than one and it was a problem with stereo output not with the headset not working)
reply 3: they reply in Italian (because of my name - I had always used English so far) that the SE HBH-DS970 is not compatible and the SE website does not report the HTC P3600 as compatible. I write back in ENGLISH that it is not a matter of compatibility but a matter of a registry setting and I point them to this forum so that they can see there is a solution.
reply 4: "I am sorry but we can only offer email support in English." The only person using Italian in previous messages was someone from HTC support! I write back "I have always written in English. You should really put your act together"
reply 5: the registry modification described in the forum is against warranty terms and will void your warranty. (!!!) I wrote back asking what the supported way is to have stereo output without voiding the warranty.... waiting for reply 6....
This is ridiculous!
Update: maybe this is reply 6....
The following message to <[email protected]> was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.4.7 - Delivery expired (message too old) 'timeout'
Talk about BAD support! Feel with you man! But I must admit this is the first time I hear about HTC' support beeing this bad... I know they can be slow, and somewhat "unclear" on the replies(i.e. the GPS questions), but this was just plain old bad support....
Hope HTC reads this and apologizes...
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Talk about BAD support! Feel with you man! But I must admit this is the first time I hear about HTC' support beeing this bad... I know they can be slow, and somewhat "unclear" on the replies(i.e. the GPS questions), but this was just plain old bad support....
Hope HTC reads this and apologizes...
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Well I could also mention that when you send a message you receive the same reply twice from two different addresses (one is the generic customer support address and one is a person - who keeps changing at every reply) and if you reply back to both addresses then your problem becomes two problems and you start getting different answers from different people. Or the fact that every time they forward the problem internally the ProblemID field gets changed so everything becomes a total mess.
I deleted the first few messages but these are the subjects for the last 6 I have received:
Problem ID 061206em09545176
Problem ID 061203EM16144174
Your call ref : 061203EM16144174
Problem ID 061207EM16535631
Problem ID 061207EM16535686
Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
I just hope this device works the way it should otherwise it's going to be big trouble!
No surprise, that happens when HTC outsources support, and does not provide proper training to the callcenters... HTC fans could explain this with their rapid growth, and lots of fires to put out on the way, but since they are also reporting double digit profit increases every year, they should spend on proper support, in house. HTC´s center for Europe is in Britain, and even a customer from there is not serviced right. What can other countries expect, that do not even have a service center?
Until recently it was easy for HTC - "just call your operator", but now it´s their turn...
latest reply without additional comments:
Problem ID 061207EM16535686
>So what is the approved solution to fix this problem?
There's no approved official solution!
If Microsoft creates a protocol with your SonyEricsson stereo BT headset settings then the A2DP fuctunality will stop working on other BT stereo headsets with the standard configuration.
It's sounds a dilema but at least you know that following the instructions on the XDA forum the problem is sorted and probably is what you need to do to overcome this problem.
Another idea is to contact SonyEricsson and check for updates.
I think it's already fixed now.
I'm a Desktop .Net developer with NO bluetooth experience and only a bit of low-level networking experience so I'm speaking from limited knowledge, but not complete ignorance.
I use my phone as an A2DP source and AVRCP client for quite a few devices (Jabra JX20 Pura, Jabra BT3030, Windows Vista, various BT speaker systems) and Alpine BT300) around my house, garage, car, and on the go. They all work wonderfully (some have better range than others, some better sound), but using any of them presents a couple common issues.
Some devices (like my car), constantly seek out the last paired device until they connect, while most of the other require a connection to be initiated from the phone. The phone doesn't care which is around or has the best signal, just which one successfully connects first.
I'd like an app that could have profiles setup which would let me control certain variables OR at a more basic function (see below):
Bluetooth Profile
Device Priority
Minimum Strength (to be used when more than one device has the same priority)
That would be my ultimate goal, but in the meantime I'd be happy with something as simple as a command line app that could be bound to a key or shortcut which would try to connect to a predefined list of BT MACs for a given profile and stop when the first one connects successfully. Variations on this might allow a connection attempt to a specific device instead of a list. This way I could have StartMenu or Today shortcuts.
The point here is largely to have to avoid nagivigating all the menus needed to initiate an A2DP connection, but I'm sure there are MANY other uses people would find.
If someone could point me in the right direction (I'm researching already of course) to the namespace(s) and or class(es) in .Net 2 or newer which would allow me to enumerate and/or initiate connections, this may be something I could bring to the community (assuming it doesn't already exist, and I have asked MANY times).
I've created a poll also to see what kind of interest is out there for this software and how much support I might receive.
I've been knocking an app up to suit my own personal A2DP needs... and a lot of yours by the look of things ;-) Things it does:
Kinetic scrolling finger friendly list of A2DP devices known to your phone (tap to select then tap again to attempt connection).
Toolbar buttons indicating active A2DP connection status (tap to disconnect active connection).
Bluetooth devices applet shortcut.
Switch bluetooth on (a good few of my devices need the phone to be discoverable so the app forces the phone to be discoverable at all times *blush*).
Switch bluetooth off.
Shortcut to program launcher list (automatically displays this list when you initiate a connection to a selected device... and there's items to display in the list of course).
Command line access (via secondary exe) allowing you to attempt connection (to a named , the last connected or first found device) and disconnect an active A2DP connection. I've only really tested the named device connection but the other 2 modes *should* work
QVGA / VGA and orientation aware.
I've been wanting to work towards getting it up on XDA... but time constraints (and a baby on the way ) have gotten in the way and it's unlikely I'll have the time to do it for a good while. I'd be happy to pass on the code to someone willing to take it further if that's any use. It's written (very quickly!) in VB.net BTW.
It uses a few bits and bobs from other people though:
A2DPToggle's "a2dp.exe" to handle initiating a connection.
Icons from lord only knows where I found them.
The kinetic list code found on here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333124&highlight=klist). IIRC, I used the gingercat updated version and tweaked it to my own needs. There's many a kludge I've put in to the code to get things working quick-smart (D-Pad navigation mainly).
InTheHand 32feet.NET libraries (http://inthehand.com/content/32feet.aspx). These work with MS Bluetooth stack only.
So permission from the respective folks above would be needed before releasing it into the wild I guess.
Here's a screeny
Hey great tool! When I click a device will it auto connect or only open the BT Explorer and will it work with Broadcom BT Stack? Thanks
Oops, meant to say it's been developed for the MS bluetooth stack only. Sorry about that.
When you attempt to connect to a device it first checks the device is reachable and only then attempts to initiate an A2DP connection.
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I've been knocking an app up to suit my own personal A2DP needs... and a lot of yours by the look of things ;-) Things it does:
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Absolutely. I can get around in VB.Net and C# just fine. If you don't want to publish the code publicly, PM me your email address and I'll invite you to my Sharepoint site (easiest way I know to share files and manage communique), otherwise attach here.
It sounds like you've already covered 99% of what I was looking for, but I'd be more than happy to do what I can to more the idea forward, even taking suggestions from others in this thread.
About the BT stack, I'm running a Vogue with a ROM cooked in PPCKitchen, how do I determine which stack I'm running and can that be changed?
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About the BT stack, I'm running a Vogue with a ROM cooked in PPCKitchen, how do I determine which stack I'm running and can that be changed?
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I've no idea what stack Vogues come with but the MS stack device list looks like the attachment below. If yours looks the same it's the MS one. I guess the Vogue forum should have any info on swapping stacks if it's possible.
Sounds like I found the correct people to answer my question about BT. Is there a way / how can I: enable my Mogul 6800 phone to transmit the sound that would normally go through the speaker to my BT headset in order to listen to streaming audio from the net using Kinoma Play which goes out and picks up all sorts of "radio programs" , i.e. not using a direct URL. I am also not able to listen to audio files from the Audio Recorder through anything except the speaker, even not through a head phone. Do I need to download a program or set up my phone differently. I currently have Titan WM6.1 Build 20755 GPS kitchen from PPC Geeks. Thanks so much for your help.
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Sounds like I found the correct people to answer my question about BT. Is there a way / how can I: enable my Mogul 6800 phone to transmit the sound that would normally go through the speaker to my BT headset in order to listen to streaming audio from the net using Kinoma Play which goes out and picks up all sorts of "radio programs" , i.e. not using a direct URL. I am also not able to listen to audio files from the Audio Recorder through anything except the speaker, even not through a head phone. Do I need to download a program or set up my phone differently. I currently have Titan WM6.1 Build 20755 GPS kitchen from PPC Geeks. Thanks so much for your help.
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You need an A2DP capable device (high quality), connected, THEN start your audio program OR use a program called Audio Gateway with a basic Bluetooth headset (low quality audio).
thank you very much.
Northernmost, how about that source code? If you want to pass it along less privately than a post here, PM me and I'll provide a solution (source control, WSS, etc.)
Sent you a PM the other day. Let's go the private way for now.