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how to enable high power usb charge

anyone knows?

possibly need to write a custom oem_misc.dll. if some one can, then we can have TV out too ...

i heard it is just a reg change

anyone knows pls?

Don't know the reg change in this case, but guess won't really work.
For instance, for enabling FM radio without headset, changing the headset state in reg won't work. I would be happy to be proven wrong though

leobox1 said:
anyone knows pls?
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Hi leobox1,
Not sure that there is a way to enable this. Charge rate is determined by battery voltage and available current from the charger, not by software (other than the simple battery management chip in the battery). So if your battery is low and you have high power USB connection, it will take as much charge transfer as the battery will accept, provided the supply voltage can keep up. I don't think that the charger circuit can recognise the difference between low power USB, high power USB, or charger USB connection.

mike.waters said:
Hi leobox1,
Charge rate is determined by battery voltage and available current from the charger, not by software .... I don't think that the charger circuit can recognise the difference between low power USB, high power USB, or charger USB connection.
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I don't think so. When HD is on, the current consumed at a given battery level of charge for a given (same) voltage is higher with wall charger than computer USB. Don't have the values that I measured once... But this doesn't seem to be the case when HD is switched off.
So there has to be some kind of monitoring going on by the CPU.

The charger has the two data pins connected together so the handset knows it is receiving power from the charger and not a USB port. The device will then charge with as much power as the charger will allow, up to 1000mA

The amount of USB power definately changes the speed at which this recharges. I purchased a 3amp car charger and it will charge my Touch HD in half the time it charges from the wall charger. My laptop puts out a small USB power supply and it take all day to charge my phone. My old Pocket PC had the selection for fast or slow charge, this one seems to handle it on it's own.

hmm so in short it is beyond our control?

leobox1 said:
hmm so in short it is beyond our control?
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In short - Yes

backdoc94 said:
I purchased a 3amp car charger and it will charge my Touch HD in half the time it charges from the wall charger.
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3 Amps? Are you sure, I don't know if I would want to connect my Touch HD to a 3A supply. Where did you buy it from?

Picked it up from ebay. It works really well, no overheating. The phone only takes what it needs, the charge is controlled by the phone not the charger.

Oh, I know the phone will only pull the power it wants, that is not the issue. A 3 amp power supply would cost quite a bit if it was a decent regulated one, and I would not use anything but a regulated power supply.
So I was guessing you were using a 3A unregulated supply. Which is something I would be very wary of, the risk of a voltage spike is going to be higher than with a lower amperage.

the only reason that the phone charges faster using the htc charger is so that people like us spend more money on official htc accessories.
its not just htc that do this.
why do you even think they have this extusb instead of a normal usb port?
a normal usb port on a pc is rated to give out 500mA (half an amp) of current.
that doesnt mean that a normal usb socket cant accept more than that though. just think back to the old htc devices that charged much faster.
wake up guys

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http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/
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what is it for?

Speed of charge

I've tried searching, but came up with nothing (not even on Google).
It seems to me that my HD2 charges up much quicker when connected to the mains than it does when charging via USB - is this correct ? I'd prefer to only charge via USB as, that way, the phone is still syncing, but it sometimes takes forever to get to full charge that way.
Just wanted to get others' opinions on this.

wilsojer said:
I've tried searching, but came up with nothing (not even on Google).
It seems to me that my HD2 charges up much quicker when connected to the mains than it does when charging via USB - is this correct ? I'd prefer to only charge via USB as, that way, the phone is still syncing, but it sometimes takes forever to get to full charge that way.
Just wanted to get others' opinions on this.
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The wall charger charges at 1 amp.
USB, with a powered USB socket, will max out at half that due to the 500mA standard that USB uses.
So, in theory, it should take twice as long to charge on USB alone.

Plus the 500mA limit on USB is spread across several physical ports, so if you have anything else plugged in then you'll be charging at an even lower rate.

Good to know - thanks, guys - I learnt something new today
Guess I'll charge via mains going forward.
Thanks again !

plus when connected to active sync the phone is on, when its I wall charger it will be on standby.

Despite HTC shipping a 1A charger (which is the most I've ever seen for a USB charger) Lion battery prefer not to get cooked while charging and would last longer if charged at 500ma.

rp-x1 said:
The wall charger charges at 1 amp.
USB, with a powered USB socket, will max out at half that due to the 500mA standard that USB uses.
So, in theory, it should take twice as long to charge on USB alone.
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samsamuel said:
plus when connected to active sync the phone is on, when its I wall charger it will be on standby.
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Exact, the phone actually limits what it draws from an USB port to about 450mA (some safety margin). Then, is stays powered on and active (due to ActiveSync running), drawing approx 100mA. So it actually charges at about 450-100= 350mA, taking ridiculously long (4-5h) to charge. With the supplied charger it charges at 850mA.
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Plus the 500mA limit on USB is spread across several physical ports, so if you have anything else plugged in then you'll be charging at an even lower rate.
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Wrong, each port gets 500mA.
airwater9 said:
Despite HTC shipping a 1A charger (which is the most I've ever seen for a USB charger) Lion battery prefer not to get cooked while charging and would last longer if charged at 500ma.
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Li batteries support 1C charge without drawback (would be 1.32A for the HD2's battery).

Wrong, each port gets 500mA.
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Incorrect. The USB standard requires 500mAh nominal at any port when used alone. Manufacturers then decide whether they will "over specify" or not. You will not get 2mAh from a 4 port USB bus unless the internal power supply its built for it and many are not. Current is drawn by the device and if the draw exceeds the supply rating then there is a shortfall to all devices. It all depends on how well the equipment is specified and there its wide variation.

More details about charging here

pa49 said:
Incorrect. The USB standard requires 500mAh nominal at any port when used alone.
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Read page 171 of the USB 2.0 specification:
Root port hubs: Are directly attached to the USB Host Controller. Hub power is derived from the same
source as the Host Controller. Systems that obtain operating power externally, either AC or DC, must
supply at least five unit loads to each port. Such ports are called high-power ports. Battery-powered
systems may supply either one or five unit loads. Ports that can supply only one unit load are termed lowpower
ports.
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A port is either low power, in which case it can supply 1 unit load (100mA), or high power, which can supply 500mA. There's no spreading between ports, for each port if it's a high power one it must be able to supply 500mA at any time, if it's a low power one it will never provide more than 100mA. So there's no such thing as one that provides 500mA if used alone and less if others are connected... or the manufacturer is violating the spec.
Note that low power ports pretty much don't exist on PCs. They can be found on multimedia players with host function for example, which are just good to power a USB key or card reader.
Further on the page you can see that with hubs that don't have external power, the output ports are required to be low power ones, so that a 4-port hub can give one of the 5 unit loads it receives to each port, plus one for its own power, so you can't draw 500mA on any port of a bus-powered hub and be within spec.
Now if you could refrain from misleading users... can't count anymore how many times I've corrected you on your firm affirmations...

[Q] Charging Craziness

I can't figure this phone out with regard to charging.
1) Won't charge via computer USB (I've heard the reasoning for this - still seems stupid)
2) Charging w/ 1amp 5V wall charger - phone screen is non responsive to touch, but phone charges (unplugging it unfreezes the screen)
3) 1amp accessory USB charger, won't charge the phone at all.
Are the charging limitations software or hardware based. I can't come to terms with the fact that this phone can't at least charge by USB. It doesn't need to be lightening fast, but it should at least charge.
Is there anything that can be done?

are u using OEM charger and USB cable ?

charging by USB
My phone charges with just the USB cord and a PC, It is a bit slow to charge that way, but it charges. Are you sure you are using a powered USB port?

it will charge via USB, you just need to install the motorola drivers. it needs more current than the original USB standards allowed for. USB can provide that current now, but you need the drivers.

Not OEM
None of the above are OEM chargers and the cables are no OEM either (Wouldn't think the cable has anything to do with it).
Since i am out and about a bit, i have to have a portable battery powered backup charger, i also carry a wall/car charger that is capable of doing both at the same time.

cable has nothing to do with it. The power requirements are strict for this phone, and it's all down to the proper way to charge the battery.
I know for a fact that the generic energizer car charger i picked up with interchangeable ends for different USB types works perfectly for this phone. It might be worth it to just jump on ebay and grab another OEM battery instead of trying to run around with chargers.

have you measured the output of those 1a chargers? i have an adapter from china that says 1a but only puts out 0.3a and doesnt charge my atrix either.

I am still using the chargers I had from my blackberry 8900. The bb wall charger works great. The car charger (att) with the flip cover over a usb makes my phone hot as hell but it still charges.

Think i've also found that, once you have the motorola drivers installed on your computer, disabling the data connection to the phone (as in selecting "None" for the USB connection option in the notification pane after you connect the phone) seems to allow the phone to charge a fair bit faster over USB. Kinda makes sense too when you're thinking about it... since it wouldn't be constantly accessing the phone as a storage device.

Yes some wall chargers dont work i.e. the two I had from my Nexus One, BB chargers seem to work well as I believe they needed more juice to charge in the first place, for the usb cable, the best solution to try is getting the updated usb drivers as mentioned.

Impossible to charge sg2 in car

Hi all, just came 3 days ago from an htc hd2, and so far I am more than happy with it.
I have only one complaint and maybe you guys will help me sharing your experience : I can't charge this phone in my car while using gps.
It seems that the power adapter is not powerful enough to charge the phone screen on.
The car charger has a 5v 1000ma output, more than the regular wall charger provided by Samsung and it was working well before with my HD2 so I have no clue about this problem.
Did you experience that issue too, else can you share what car charger do you use?

try to buy new standard car charger with micro plug.. 13 eur and you will be saved..
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Charger doesn't matter unless the phone is dropping into USB charging mode - phone limits to around 600-650 mA by default.
Custom kernels can bump this limit up for I9100 users. I777 users are screwed - we've got a crippled charger chip.

I had the same problem, I used the samsung one, useless, so I used my iPad charger, which is 2A, and charges the iPad quick, still useless. We drove from Bathurst NSW, down to Melbourne, about 10 hour drive, plugged in all the way using GPS, and about an hour from home, the connect to charger warning came on!! So once I stopped GPS, it started taking charge. Looks like when the phone is in use, it draws more then it takes charge, plus I read somewhere on here the phone is limited on the charge it takes, so using the 2A does nothing different then the stock 500mA charger.

I always had this problem with my Nexus One, although they are different phones, the problem is the same, uses more power then it can recharge in USB mode.
After trying 3 or 4 different charges I remember that I found one ultra-cheap 'made in taiwan' from a street seller that worked very well.... so it's kind of a lucky shot!
good luck!

Im using a genuine Samsung SGS2 charger and I can charge and run Sygic just fine. I started my journey with 80% and 40mins later I was up to 91% when I stopped and got out. (not in aeroplane mode..)

Very interesting feedbacks... So that confirm that is clearly not a matter of output amperage power.
It is now the same problem on the galaxy tab 10.1, for quickly charge this tab you need the Samsung compatible usb adapter.
It can be likely with a tab bringing a proprietary plug, but I didn't thought it will be the same with a Samsung phone bringing a regular micro usb plug. Quite frustrating and disappointing!
I will search around a micro plug car charger as suggested by redzion, but actually I don't clearly see the difference with my usb charger + a micro usb cable.

Double post, sorry.

If I use the usb cable from my cd player I have the same problem but if I use the official Samsung car charger Ithe only problem I have is the phone getting stupid hot
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Oh Samsung, when you will understand?!

Samsung DOES follow the USB charging standard - it goes to its highest current setting when a charger that follows the standard is connected.
Note that iPad/iPhone chargers do NOT follow the standard - Samsungs will treat these as USB hosts and limit to 450 mA instead of 600-650.
Modified kernels can increase both of these values on I9100s.
The only thing Samsung really did **** up is counting screen/CPU current usage against the charge current limits - that's just stupid.

So the charger has smarts. On the i9000 factory chargers, the data pins were bridged. Bridging these pins manually on a USB cable when connecting to a USB source (such as a PC) enabled full current charging. You can see this in Settings -> About; it will say either USB or AC charging.
Do you think this is the case with the i9100?
I don't condone testing this theory on your i9100. Increasing the max current via custom ROM may be a safer solution.

I had the same problem. Two things fixed it for me:
1) I bought this charger: Sony Ericsson AN300 Micro USB 10€
2) I am using a custom kernel now

Any charger that is rated at 1000mA or more (per port) will do just fine. The problem is the cable - you need a quality microUSB cable, or it won't provide all the juice you need. I had the same issue, and I swapped three chargers until I found the real culprit.
Try with the charger you have now and the mUSB cable that was in the phone box - it should work well with that one.

I just press the power button to turn the screen off. when i need the sat nav i press the power and it still tracks you so there is no delay. With the screen off it does charge.

same problem

Duffman19 said:
I just press the power button to turn the screen off. when i need the sat nav i press the power and it still tracks you so there is no delay. With the screen off it does charge.
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You are right, but even if it is better than nothing the charging time is still a big problem.
Yesterday I drove for at least 40mn phone off. Arrived to destination, I turn the device on: it charged only from 0 to 5%
I would like to test the mariusi theory concerning the Samsung micro usb cable, unfortunately on my SgsII box I just have a wall charger, no a microusb-usb cable.
Entropy512 said:
Samsung DOES follow the USB charging standard - it goes to its highest current setting when a charger that follows the standard is connected.
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Is there a way to know before buying if the charger respect this charging standard?
I have some cheap usb chargers here and no one is a fast as the one provided by Samsung.
Entropy512 said:
The only thing Samsung really did **** up is counting screen/CPU current usage against the charge current limits - that's just stupid.
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Maybe for safety purpose? Gps phones can become very hot behind the car glass.

Samsung are trying to "encourage" you to buy only their official accessories. To do this they've wired something differently in their chargers and cables. This "problem" exists on the Galaxy Tab too and can be solved with this adapter...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-car-w...ccessories&hash=item2c5c07736b#ht_3084wt_1163
It's cheap and turns a trickle charge into a full charge. I don't know the specifics of what they've done, but their USB charging just isn't the same as most others manufacturers.

Archer said:
It's cheap and turns a trickle charge into a full charge. I don't know the specifics of what they've done, but their USB charging just isn't the same as most others manufacturers.
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Great find.

Pretty sure it just bridges the data pins.

HTC ONE Charging methods

At home I have an iPhone 5 charger and a Blackberry Bold 9900 Charger along with a Cooler Master Battery Bank. The out put on the battery bank claimed 5 Volts 2.1 Amps but when hooked up to my HTC One it showed USB Charging. I hooked it up via my iPhone 5 charger which has an output of 5 Volts and 1A and also got USB Charging but when I hooked it up via Blackberry Charger with an output of 5V / 750 mA I got Charging (AC) on my HTC One. Looks like it won't accept any higher power input than what it needs for faster charging.
Picture posted is via Blackberry Charger.

Here is a picture via Cooler Master Battery Bank showing charging (USB)

The maximum current is drawn when the battery is empty. The first phase of charging is constant current, where it will draw up to 1A from AC and 500ma from USB, then moves to constant voltage, where the current will drop off. Your battery is probably too charged to be drawing max current.
HTC phones switch to AC charging when the data pins on the USB are shorted, otherwise it's USB charging.

BenPope said:
The maximum current is drawn when the battery is empty. The first phase of charging is constant current, where it will draw up to 1A from AC and 500ma from USB, then moves to constant voltage, where the current will drop off. Your battery is probably too charged to be drawing max current.
HTC phones switch to AC charging when the data pins on the USB are shorted, otherwise it's USB charging.
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I need to double check which USB cable I had used. At work now but just saw that the USB cable I had at work was the Blackberry USB Cable and when I hooked that one up with my new HTC ONE I got AC Charging on my HTC ONE. A sales person had told me that the USB cable can make a difference at times. Will try messin around with a few wires along with my Cooler Master Battery Bank to see if the results change.

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I need to double check which USB cable I had used. At work now but just saw that the USB cable I had at work was the Blackberry USB Cable and when I hooked that one up with my new HTC ONE I got AC Charging on my HTC ONE. A sales person had told me that the USB cable can make a difference at times. Will try messin around with a few wires along with my Cooler Master Battery Bank to see if the results change.
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I find that the charger it came with charges it fastest. The other chargers I have used are my neuxs 4 and gs4.

The phone is looking for a 'short' across the two data wires, I believe. The HTC chargers have this so that the phone knows it's not a USB port that isn't able to deliver the current. I'm surprised the blackberry charger fooled the phone to think it's AC.