my xda exec uses windows mobile 5,
i came across this link which states that in wm5 that states that there is persistent
storage, which would require flash memory while wm3 has the information stored in non persistent storage (RAM) and the 72 hour rule applies where the information is lost once the phone turns off(because of no batterY) and the phone is not charged for 72 hours?
would this mean that my xda exec has flash memory for storage whereas an xda exec running windows mobile 3 would have slightly different hardware and would have ram instead of the flash alllocated for storage?
also is the information in wm5 never lost, even if we let the xda exec discharge and not charge it for say weeks, since the information is stored in flash
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/07/14/438991.aspx
1) Yes, WM5 devices have flash memory and normal RAM (plus disk on chip, which is also persistant [i.e. storage] which was also present on WM2003 devices)
2) Yes, that's why it is called persistant storage
thanks for the reply
so WM5 devices have extra flash memory + normal RAM whereas WM3 devices just have normal RMA
what is the disk on chip?
can the XDA Exec be WM3 as well as WM5, would that not mean two different hardware platforms for the xda exec?
xda_guy said:
thanks for the reply
so WM5 devices have extra flash memory + normal RAM whereas WM3 devices just have normal RMA
what is the disk on chip?
can the XDA Exec be WM3 as well as WM5, would that not mean two different hardware platforms for the xda exec?
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to be specific, WM5 devices use flash memory. To be more specific, NAND based flash memory(similar to one in various storage cards)
what disk are u talking abt BTW?
and yes, XDA EXEC comes with WM5 installed. You can nt put WM2003 in it. On the brighter side, you can play with Linux ;-)
Re: Memory:
Read
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/19/453784.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/07/14/438991.aspx
As for disk on chip
If you look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Universal (which I'm sure you have ;-) ) you'd see a link to
this
i uess all the universal based devices have wm5 installed on them
why cant i put wm05 on my xda exec?
hey thanks for the link to the wiki, to be honest i did not know it existed. i hope you guys forgive me for that. you guys have found a way to unlock the phone from the network, cool, i had been trying to figure out how to do that
thanks for the link to the disk-on-chip
the disk-on-chip is a bunch of flash on one die, correct, with some memory management thrown in. (probably a bit more than that)
i browsed through the specs, and came across the operating environment, interestingly it mentions pocket pc 2002/03 and windows ce, isn't pocket pc 2002/03 based on windows ce 4.0
xda_guy said:
why cant i put wm05 on my xda exec?
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I was under the impression that all Universals ran WM2005 :?
sorry i meant
why cant i put wm03 on my exec?
i just realised that the umts chip is a qualcomm 6250, does that mean that the exec has BREW thrown in or just has JRE?
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Does SanDisk 256+ Wi-fi work with XDA I ?
thanks in advacne
I believe you'd need a SIDO slot in your XDA to be able to run this card, hence only the XDAII
But i could be wrong?
yeah it does require SDIO
You mean it wont work with XDA I ? or there is a work around solution for it ?
SDIO as i know comes built in on the main board
Thanks in advance
WiFi and other SDIO cards with onboard RAM are supported only by WM 2003 SE. So you cannot use it in XDA. This info is taken somewhere from Microsoft WM 2003 SE specification.
sunpower said:
You mean it wont work with XDA I ? or there is a work around solution for it ?
SDIO as i know comes built in on the main board
Thanks in advance
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Only XDAII comes with SDIO built in. XDA I only has SD
tech specs for XDAI
http://www.myxda.com/web/template/XdaSpecification.vm
tech specs for XDAII
http://www.myxda.com/XdaII/personal/template/XdaIIProductInfo.vm
i cant upgrade my XDA I to Microsoft WM 2003 SE ?
am already useing a 2003 ROM from the rom kitchen
SE is new one ?
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Hi All,
I just received a Hitachi 4GB Microdrive but it looks that it cannot be recognised by my O2 XDAII v.1.60.00 WWE version.
In Win XP it is recognised by my card reader as formatted with FAT32 and shows 4GB capacity. Works properly.
When inserted in the Backpack, I am prompted for the driver (atadisk.dll) but after entering it, nothing happens. No extra Storage file added. Nothing.
Hitachi Support site says that the newer drivers are included in Win Mobile.
The threads in the Forums don't help much to solve the problem.
Anybody has solved it? Is the 4GB microdrive compatible or not?
Could somebody throw any help at this? :?:
Many Thanks,
Gear :?
Update, 16 Sept. 2004
Two months later and looking through ALL threads for the Microdrive in this site and the respective links, the only thing discovered was a picture of a 340(?) MB Microdrive inserted in the Backpack.
I assume (mentioned in another thread) that up to 2 GB the Microdrive should work but I am not willing to buy a second one to find out.
No luck though for the 4GB Microdrive up-to-date.
If anybody knows anything different, please post a reply.
Gear
Backpack and 4GB Microdrive
Did anyone actually manage to solve this one? I've just got hold of a 4GB drive and can't get it recognised in the XDA2 at all
David
the XDA series has only been tested by o2 with cards upto 1gb. there is no garuntee it will work.
what about partising it in to two 2gb drives or 4 1gb drives? might work?
IT WORKS
I own the xda2i
i bought a backpack
i bought a ibm hitach 4gb microdrive
the device instantly recognises it as a 4gb storage card
who needs an ipod!!
o/s specs: win mobiile 2003 second edition vers. 4.21.1088
ps
i upload data to the card by putting it in a card reader slot from my pc.[/b]
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I own the xda2i
i bought a backpack
i bought a ibm hitach 4gb microdrive
the device instantly recognises it as a 4gb storage card
who needs an ipod!!
o/s specs: win mobiile 2003 second edition vers. 4.21.1088
ps
i upload data to the card by putting it in a card reader slot from my pc.[/b]
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where did you buy the backpack?is the one for XDA2 also work for XDA2i?
cheers
from an o2 shop......yes the backpack will fit the xda 2 and 2 i as they are the same casing but it will not fit the xda2s
IT WORKS
Could someone kindly post here the driver(s) file(s) of the XDA 2s for the disk?
There are two files on my XDA II both in the \Windows directory:
1)atadisk.dll dated 23 Feb. 2004 & size 16.5 k
2)AtaDisk.dll dated 15 March 2004 & size 18.5 k
but none of them can see the 4GB Microdrive.
Many thanks for the help.
Gear
i'm not suprised the xda 2s cannot recognize the 4gb microdrive in a backpack.......
the xda2s is not compatible with the backpack!!!
further more..... the backpack and microdrive need no drivers .... they are plug and play!!
IT Works.
I meant the drivers of the XDA 2i which seem to be newer than the ones in my XDA II.
Sorry for the confusion.
Gear
again:.......drivers????? the backpack plugs on... tyhje card goes in... it works no drivers neededc or provided... are you talking about the rom etc?
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again:.......drivers????? the backpack plugs on... tyhje card goes in... it works no drivers neededc or provided... are you talking about the rom etc?
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It is not that simple on the XDA II. The backpack plugs OK and is recognised but on the insertion of the microdrive it asks for drivers. It is not recognised as "plug 'n play". At least my 4GB Hitachi Microdrive. The exisiting drivers (above mentioned) in the XDA II, are not working to recognise the drive.
I suppose that in the new 2003 O/S the drivers recognise the drive. Hence my request for the newer ones.
Gear
i believe ur best option would be to forget about drivers and to update ur rom
I've recently upgraded my Himalaya device to 2003SE and thought of bringing a new lease of life into my IPAQ 3630 that I use with the kids.
The same processor and RAM as the Wallaby so in theory this should work.
I was thinking of using the Ipaq bootloader with the .nb1 file designed for the wallaby in order to achieve 2003 on the unit.
Has anyone either tried this before or have a general opinion about the feasibility of the idea?
It wont work. They are different devices. And btw, Wallaby has 32 MB ROM, 3630 only has 16 mb ROM.....
i don't think it will work...
processor and RAM itself is not the only issue....
you must have sufficient ROM space to accommodating the WM2003 ROM, not to mention the drivers included may not support the other hardware in your iPAQ.
I wish you luck.
I figured as much on the driver side of things. Although the RAM does appear to be 32MB which is the only reason I considered it. Oh well back to the drawing board.
I am seriously considering the PDA2 for my next device. (My T-Mob PPCPE is choking with all of my data and need the new features) I have been confused with the various sites claiming 64MB ROM vs 128MB. The i-mate site (http://www.clubimate.com/t-DETAILS_PDA2.aspx) claims 128MB. Is it possible that 128MB is correct with 64MB user accessible?
Also, is the serial plug the same with a different pin config? I have some accessories for my Phone Edition (XDA1) I would like to use. I can mod the plug if needed.
Thanks
on my PDA2, the storage memory says "Total memory: 59.68 MB"
now as far as I'm aware, the ROM stuff is installed on the flash memory, and i would say it would definitely take up more than 5MB (to equal a total of 64mb), so i'd say i have a 128mb ROM..
It has the same serial connection as the XDAII.. not sure if this is the same as the XDAI tho. i use all my xda II stuff with the PDA2.
Yea omni is right same specifications on my PDA2 aswell its is showing 64mb of FLASH ROM that means 64mb is hidden ...that maked 128 mb of rom...yea you can use all accessories of XDA1 on pda2..
BUT keep it in mind pda2 has serious problem of battery life...mine gives my standby time of 10 hours and when i am using the phone + pda its drainsin 6 to 8 hours...which is surely no match with XDA1 which gives around 1 whole day ...
Thank-you for the info.
i am wrong here infact pda2 uses the same accessories as ....i mate pocket pc which is xda2
How do you like the speaker (phone, etc) volume? Is it acceptable? I know there is issue with PDA2k.
As far as battery life, there are the entended batteries and the backpack available. Do you have the backpack?
every thing else was Ok only the battery problem is there ...but i sold my pda2
You all are wrong.
Himalaya(or Xda II for O2) has two types of memory:
1. RAM(volatile memory): 128mb total, 126mb user accessible
2. ROM(flash memory/ non-volatile memory): 64mb total, 14mb user accessible
You may ask why is the user accessible ROM so little. Actually, they are used to store your BIOS. It's just like when you hard reset your Xda II, the phone will install something(default drivers and softwares) at first. Don't forget, they are similar to Windows XP, occupies 64-14 = 50mb of ROM.
A = Once, I broke my O2 big screen, nothing is accessible until it was repaired. When I looked through my storage, all my info was inside, all intact.
B = In fact, I love ROM very much. The more user accessible ROM there is, the better.
A => B
Man...that thread...... was four years old.....
...seriously
Have you guys seen this?
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4785.html
Lucky Eten owners, *&%$^$ HTC :x
Why is it that there are different roms for all the different phones? On pc you can install Windows on any hardware.
First of all, if you noticed the Storage on Mini/JAM/MDA Compact/Magician, you only get a paltry 7MB....7MB out of 64MB!! what the?
WM5.0 uses persistent storage so nothing can stored in the 64MB RAM unlike the current WM2003 devices.
If you look at the current HTC WM5.0 devices like Dopod 818 Pro, out of the 128MB ROM, you get only 35-40MB storage space.
So you do the math, after Mini gets upgraded to WM5.0, how much storage do you get?
-- someone mentioned "what about BigStorage?" you get a total of 27MB after upgrade.
BigStorage is NOT supported by your device maufacturer. In fact, it automatically voids whatever warranty you have left on your device. So BigStorage does not come into consideration at all.