I am using GPRS/ EDGE. Sometimes when I have NOT used any Internet program, the G or E icon become a pure square G or E only without the 2 arrows. Does it mean it has DISCONNTED the GPRS/EDGE? Now if I launch IE and click a URL, the E/G icon will flashing with a moving 2 arrows and eventually after 1 or 2 seconds, become a "square E/G icon with fixed 2 arrows".
I am wondering, shouldn't the GPRS/EDGE be ALWAYS connected, such that the "G/E icon with fixed 2 arrows" should always appear? What setting I should change in order to make my Xda neo perform that way?
Hi isomania!
1) The icons are interpreted as follows:
Solid G/E - GRPS / EDGE network present, but not connected.
Small G/E with moving arrows - connecting to network.
Small G/E with solid arrows - connected.
2) There is no point to keep GPRS\EDGE connected when no programs are using it, since that would only shorten battery life. If I am not mistaken the timeout on the connection cannot be changed from the device side. I know push mail function sends some data (I think 400 bytes every 120 sec) to keep the connection alive, but it kills the battery and racks up the phone bill (unless you have unlimited data).
Thanks for your explanation. But for me, "connecting GPRS/EDGE" is STILL costing some time (may be 1 to 2 seconds). so i am wondering if I can keep GPRS/EDGE connected all the time I want, so that whenever I want to check POP3 email / go to any website, then I don't need to wait the 1 to 2 seconds connection time. Now THAT'S would be my definition of "always on"
One or two seconds to establish a connection? How will you ever manage having to wait that long? :roll:
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Thanks for your explanation. But for me, "connecting GPRS/EDGE" is STILL costing some time (may be 1 to 2 seconds). so i am wondering if I can keep GPRS/EDGE connected all the time I want, so that whenever I want to check POP3 email / go to any website, then I don't need to wait the 1 to 2 seconds connection time. Now THAT'S would be my definition of "always on"
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Check the various tweaks n tips floating about, there's always a couple that will force gprs to remain on at all times. The downside isn't battery life, it barely affects that or push mail wouldn't exist. It's that eventually you will lose the signal, the connection will die and you won't notice the difference until you try to use it. Then you have to either toggle flight mode or reset the phone...after you figure out what happened. If you're constantly having to connect to gprs, you may be better served by looking for a disconnect timeout. With that, it'll get the occasional chance to reset the connection, making sure it's active. I have no idea what they are offhand and don't use them but I've come across them in the past so try a search and check the wiki.
The downside isn't battery life, it barely affects that or push mail wouldn't exist.
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Sorry, but I have to disagree.
Maybe if you manage to somehow keep the connection without transmitting anything (not sure this is possible) the battery drain will be minimal.
I am using push mail on my Jamin for only 3 days and the difference in battery drain is very noticeable. In fact even with no mail (I don't sync the rest) to transfer the battery life is cut almost in half.
I read an article where the same is reported for the universal.
i have a question about this related topic, i'm a noob, just got my mda on wed and i called them and added the data plan to my existing line, the guy said it would take about 72 hours for the browser to be surfing the web normally, well today is sunday and i still can't surf, my G icon on top is with arrows moving, and it shows i'm connected to EDGE but my browser only says Locating and never loads anything, please help?
Hi werkmeister47!
Arrows moving means GPRS is trying to connect, but not actually connected.
There are two possibilities:
1) The provider hasn't connected you yet (72 hours??? When I bought a SIM from Orange I was surfing in 5 minutes)
2) Your connection settings are incorrect. You have to contact technical support for exact settings for your network.
Good luck.
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Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
1. Does it consume extra battery life if the GPRS is alawys on?
2. When I'm connected but not actively doing anything (upload/download), does the device keep communicating with the service provider? i.e. sending control information back and forth even when i am actively not using it?
3. If the GPRS connection is active, are there any chances my phone reception or the phone's ability to get a phone call/SMS/MMS is adversely affected? I dont want people not to be able to contact me or send sms/mms because my phone is always connected on GPRS.
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
1 yes like your phone use more power when you speak in your phone it use lot more power then not using it
2 a bit not too much
3 it should not
4 www.GB-SOFT.cz/xdaII should add some features
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Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
Dustoff
humayunl said:
Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
Dustoff
Mind you, I use an MDA I.
as far as I know, the only way to get off and stay off GPRS is to go to settings->system->memmory->running programs and close anything that might use it (mailbox, IE, etc...)
If the signal indicator says it's connected to GPRS, then yes, you are actively connected to the tower/cell network. Sending info constantly, I don't know?????
GPRS effecting other network connectiveity???? I've heard yay and nay and have no professional opinion. Personally, I have no problems recieving a call, sms, etc... while connected to GPRS.
As far as power consumption, I would assume yes, it sucks up power. I have noticed about a 15% increase in power consumption using the web for an hour or so per day as well as automaticly checking email once every 45 minutes.
I also recently discovered a beautiful little prog that I cooked into my MDA I OS. PocketNav. It allows you to switch programs, close certain ones with only two "clicks", or all the progs at once, etc.... Check it out!!! It will be worth your time (I don't know where to get it other than stephan's kitchen).
Good luck!
gsm and sms should disable grps while it's using the band
but not cause problems
there is also the program PHM task manager
which is pretty much a copy of the task manager in windows 2k and xp so if people know and like that then it's a good program
Dustoff said:
humayunl said:
Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
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He Dustoff,
Great stuff! Worked fine for me. Thanks.
Ronald
Dustoff,
Where is the Red dsiconnect button I am supposed to press and hold?
I am using WM2003 and after Iam connected, i havent been able to find any place where there is any disconnect option. in the connection bubble all i can see is that i am "connected" but there is nowhere for me to disconnect.
Can you please let me know where you find this disconnect option.
thanks
Red disconnect button
It is simply the red button of the telephone.
On another hand, if someone calls you exactly in the same moment when yours GPRS is fully active downloading something (a big picture, a long message, ...), you may appear as "unavailable"
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Hi.
I have not tried the above software yet, but here is the problem I have...
I use Wi-Fi a lot at home and quite often keep the Wi-Fi on and use WiFiFoFum away from home. I have managed to set up my pay as you go GPRS connection. But whenever I'm away from a Wi-Fi network the GPRS connects and my applications then access the internet.
There needs to be an option of "not connecting gprs automatically when there is no Wi-Fi connection."
What I have had to do is change one of the setting for the gprs so it cant connect, and I have to change it back when I need it.
Switching from Wi-Fi to gprs can cost a lot if things connect without me knowing. It costs £3 for a months use of 1Mb.
Regards,
Ian Watson
creating a phantom connection, and "picking" it as default may be slightly quicker than changing the settings of you primary connection.
I think holding down the HANGUP/STOP button for 2-3 seconds is the fastest and easiest way.
interestingfellow said:
creating a phantom connection, and "picking" it as default may be slightly quicker than changing the settings of you primary connection.
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I have found where I can stop it from connecting the GPRS if it cant get a wi-fi conncetion. Connections icon on the connections tab, then the advanced tab, then the select networks button - "programs that automaticall connect to the internet..........". I have changed this from gprs to my isp.
Ian
Anyone know how I can force my mini s to disconnect from GPRS after it has checked my email?
Si.
press and hold the red phone button (hang up) for about 5 seconds - you should see it switch from GPRS (small [G] icon) to 'GPRS Available' (large [G] icon)
I'd rather it did it automatically - so I can leave it alone all day and it will connect to check now and again then disconnect.
same problem here. is there a fix?
also when i have forgot to disconnect am i paying for gprs? or is it just any content i download?
cheers.
GPRS is paid for by data usage, not connection... so you can leave it connected (so long as nothing is downloading in the background!)
V
cheers vijay, but have you got a workaround for original question?
on my old c500 when i had finished getting mail it automatically switched itself off.are we missing something?
vijay... unfortunately, at least on my Qtek 9100, there's always some data sent.. very infrequently, but over a day of no activity, the GPRS Monitor application that came with it reported 200KB traffic. So I always make sure to disconnect regardless
ZeBoxx: it doesn't surprise me. At least in theory, you only pay for data transfer on GPRS, not time connected like on dialup. However, I think activesync is an unpredictable beast at bet. I never use GPRS - so for me, to ensure I'm completely disconnected I use a dummy grps account.
futuresbright: I'm working on a set of such tools, but I believe there's already a command line tool to disconnect GPRS. I haven't made one yet that will automatically disconnect after checking email. I have to work on a related app, so I will try to look into the question, but I can't promise any time frame I'm afraid
V
Yeah, the monitor comes with a little icon on the Today Screen with which you can explicitly enable/disable GPRS as well. So obviously it can be done by external software
GPRS disconnect on O2 XDA mini S
If I tap the GPRS icon on the top bar when I have a GPRS connection up, I get an option to disconnect it (and it works!). I too don't like the thought of racking up data calls even though it is supposed to be packets switched not circuit switched.
no worries vijay,thanks for your time.
will just have to remember to switch off manually for now.
Hey,
I'm experiencing a strange problem with my hermes.
The device wakes up often without a reason. The effect is the following:
. device wakes up
. the connectivity icon changes from 3G to H, means HSDPA connection built up
. spb gprs monitor shows different amount of data transfers
If I close the data connection manually with the red hook on button, the effect doesnt appear any more. So I guess this in an inbound connection made to my device. But how can that be???
Does WM wakes up on inbound connections? How can I find out, which data is being transfered? Are there any network monitoring tools for WM?
Is it right, that to wake up the device from a program that makes an outbound connection an entry in the notification list has to exist? There is nothing. No notification that could wake up the device.
Need help!
Device seeks automatically the strongest signal around. If you stay in an area with both types of signal you will find frquent flipping in and out of 3g UMTS. You may not have experienced this but it can also lead to the dropping of calls also.
You can use Danielherrerro's bandswitch application aka commmgrpro that allows you to easily choose which bands to turn on off.
Mike
I think you misunderstood.
Chaning the band doesnt normaly lead to download traffic.
Btw. I selected gsm instead of gms & umts in the phone options, so the device cant switch. Still waking up and producing some traffic. This effect wasnt there til last week.
Mine does this because it checks for mail every 15 minutes, do you have mail scheduled???
good luck.
Oggy.
LaroCroft said:
I think you misunderstood.
Chaning the band doesnt normaly lead to download traffic.
Btw. I selected gsm instead of gms & umts in the phone options, so the device cant switch. Still waking up and producing some traffic. This effect wasnt there til last week.
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My bad. Ogier is right, it must be an app. that's connecting - possibles include:
Mail
Weather apps
Sync apps - time sync etc
Mike
Gprs Today Plugin
<seems like an 'in-topic' post>
anyone have any good suggestions on a today-plugin that shows wifi/gprs connection? My theme does not show the connection icon (3g,g,e,etc.), so I was looking for somethig that would show with conenction I was using as a today plugin. Something like the one shoen here in custels rom.
I would use spb gprs monitor, but for some reason all spb applications show this really annoying this line at the top of my screen, so I have given up on spb. any other ideas short of dumping custels ROM? thanks
Definitly dont think thats an application
Problem occurs only if a data connection is still active. If I disconnect manually no wake up occurs.
Seems device is waken up from an external source?!
My phone constantly transfers data eating up the battery. I manually turn off data on the comm page. It stays off briefly then begins again. Any ideas?
Try this file, unzip, transfer over, install, open NO GPRS from the programs menu and hit toggle.
That should do it, just hit toggle to re-enable.
This is posted elsewhere, try using search first.
go to activesync, menu->schedule
and set "peak times" and "off-peak times" to "manually"
I once had this when I had an MMS trying to download. Delete the MMS header from your mailbox or specify the network/connection which should be used for downloading MMS.
clarksdv2 said:
My phone constantly transfers data eating up the battery. I manually turn off data on the comm page. It stays off briefly then begins again. Any ideas?
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Check the MMS...
But the big question is... do you have push mail or perhaps a weather program?
Push especially will keep your data connection on as it is constantly polling your email...
The good news is if your are connected it doesn't necessarily mean that you are using data. If you are in a 3G area then an H icon will appear instead of the 3G icon while there is a data transfer...
If you want to stop it alltogether check out MoDaCo's NoData or the GRPS above..
No push email or other data service
I have my personal email on 30 minute retrieve increments other than that I have no other data services. My phone is just on this constant data call although no data is being transferred. This subsequently drains my battery awefully fast.
well, what is exactly the problem? is it that your pda
"is just on this constant data call although no data is being transferred"
or
"constantly transfers data" ?
More details.
The phone is engaged in a constant data call represented by 3G with the left and right arrow, however, no data is actually being transferred. The battery is draining within 8hrs on standby because the high transmit to receive ratio. Although no data is transferred the radio constantly interrogates the cell site thus throwing out unnecessary power. If I manually disengage via the communication manager, the phone will hang up the data call for a brief period, but will reengage fairly quickly. I can't find any settings that would create this situation. I downloaded the program in this post, but the phone still continues the data call. This has never happened on this phone until a month or so after installing the ROM flash with WM6, but I can't be sure if there is a direct correlation with the new flash. Thank you all for your help.
clarksdv2 said:
I have my personal email on 30 minute retrieve increments other than that I have no other data services. My phone is just on this constant data call although no data is being transferred. This subsequently drains my battery awefully fast.
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try turning off this 30 min email and make it manual to see if this is the cause...
not sure if u have htchome weather, because it will also auto update every few hours...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=My Pocket PC keeps connecting to the Internet.
have you checked the activesync schedule time?
furthermore goto commmanager and disable direct push. if your commmanager does not show you the icon to disable direct push, install schaps advanced config and activate there the icon.
i am pretty sure that one of these two options causes the problem.
what other apps have you installed?
if all this does not help, hard reset your device and install/config one app after another.
Same Problem
I've got the same problem. I'm using the default HTC WWE ROM. At random times, sometimes twice a day, my "Rogers Internet" data connection (GPRS, EDGE or 3G) connects automatically and doesn't disconnect. If I catch it happening and click cancel, it tries again. It will not give up until the connection has been established for at least 10 seconds.
I've gone through every program I have, checking to make sure the auto update option is disabled (if there is an auto update). I do not use the direct push and therefore, activesync schedule is greyed out.
Any ideas?
I'm suprised that it drains your battery so quickly. My phone stays connected at least 90% of the day, and I usually have at least 70-80% battery when I get home from work, usually more. The only time that it gets drained quickly is when I'm browsing the web too much on NetFront 3.5...a notorious battery drainer.
Sorry I couldn't help...but maybe it's a battery issue? Since I'm connected so much and have no battery issues? Or maybe a radio change could help you?
I don't have any abnormal battery drain, just weird auto-connect problem.
are you sure you have checked every single program? there has to be something that's trying to connect to the internet to grab data. weather apps, time sync, quickgps (i know, ridiculous, i'm just throwing it out there). try looking at what processes are running in the background using a task manager. that might help you eliminate suspects.
I have Spb GPRS Monitor on my phone. I've been looking at the logs. There is no pattern to the connections and they seem to be never more than 20k connections. I've installed NoGPRS and will use that while I'm sleeping. Just weird that it connects at all.
I had a similar problem, so I installed KaiserTweak and changed the setting to disconnect from 3G after use and that did the trick for me - no more constant connection and the battery stopped heating up and dying quickly.
19 hours it was connect for before i realised!! seriously i was kinda annoyed.
ive changed the settings on twitter and weather so they only update manually but is there anything else i need to do.
thanks
x
Is this because you are worried about going over your internet allowance (500mbish) or because you want to save on battery? I'm a tad concerned about both and I would feel better if I could easily disable mobile web activating every so often.
All Settings --> Connections --> Connections --> Advanced --> Select Networks
There, select "My work Network". That will only allow it to connect through WiFi.
download nodata
it's available on here..
also touch x datadisconnect..
freyberry said:
All Settings --> Connections --> Connections --> Advanced --> Select Networks
There, select "My work Network". That will only allow it to connect through WiFi.
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got to connections selected adavanced network and theres a drop down bar that says HSDPA/HSUPA, disable or HSDPA only???
have i gone wrong some where? sorry im a bit thick haha
@CharGuitarGirl said:
got to connections selected adavanced network and theres a drop down bar that says HSDPA/HSUPA, disable or HSDPA only???
have i gone wrong some where? sorry im a bit thick haha
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get the cab I mentioned..
freyberry said:
All Settings --> Connections --> Connections --> Advanced --> Select Networks
There, select "My work Network". That will only allow it to connect through WiFi.
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I'm afraid the only way to actually disable data connections is NoData (i uploaded it for you). If you change your connection settings it won't connect via HSDPA or GPRS but it will connect via WAP.
If you install NoData simply make a shortcut to it and turn on data connections whenever you need them.
@CharGuitarGirl said:
got to connections selected adavanced network and theres a drop down bar that says HSDPA/HSUPA, disable or HSDPA only???
have i gone wrong some where? sorry im a bit thick haha
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contact HTC in your region, they send you a cab file that can disable all your data connections...alternatively there are a good few programs avl. on here as well.
hi
disable automatic updates in your weather program
The method provided by freyberry worked for me until I looked at my phone this morning, instead of Mobile Web it said "Pay Monthly Contract" and was active for 12 hours!
I guess I should get that cab!
@CharGuitarGirl said:
19 hours it was connect for before i realised!! seriously i was kinda annoyed.
ive changed the settings on twitter and weather so they only update manually but is there anything else i need to do.
thanks
x
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Why do you want to stop it connecting?
You are only charged for actual data transfer, not for time connected, and the amount of data used for FB and Twitter updates is relatively small anyway.
If you are being charged for all data I can understand your problem as you would want to stop some of the background downloads, otherwise there's really no point. The effect on battery life by disconnecting (as opposed to switching to GSM) is miniscule.
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If you install NoData simply make a shortcut to it and turn on data connections whenever you need them.
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probably giving you a right headache now but, how do i do that ^
If you get charged for this, just tell the carrier that you accidently enabled it and didn't mean to use any data usage.
neilm i worry about it being left on. i realise that for the 19 hours it was left on it only used 3mb but it just niggles away at me, if i cant really disable it when i want & effectively i'll just accept it and try not to worry about it.
NeilM said:
The effect on battery life by disconnecting (as opposed to switching to GSM) is miniscule.
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Hi, i have already used all methods discussed above. i have nodata and i also use the on/off switch to 3G network. The thing is that there IS a difference in battery times with all these... with 3G on and connection on battery lasts about 24 hours with minimal use. With 2G and connection on battery lasts 48 hours (2 days) with minimal use. With 2G and connection OFF from nodata it can hold 4 days on a single charge!
At least thats happening with my battery, coz i heard some stories about batteries holding 6-9 hours which never happened to me unless im using it fully for those 9 hours...
PS: by minimal usage i mean a couple of phone calls, a couple of sms and around 10-15 mins of internet connection either wifi or gprs just to update weather, twitter, email etc. The rest of its time, in sleep mode.
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neilm i worry about it being left on. i realise that for the 19 hours it was left on it only used 3mb but it just niggles away at me, if i cant really disable it when i want & effectively i'll just accept it and try not to worry about it.
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I'd say that 3MB in 19 hours without knowingly using any data is a bit of a concern
It may be wise to look into the updating schedules for location services, weather, twitter and Facebook (if you use them) and Stocks and Shares. The stocks and shares stuff does use a lot of data if you don't change the default settings.
For NoData- download the nodata.cab file to your phone then use File Explorer to locate it. Tap the filename to run it and this will install the program and place a shortcut in your Programs folder. You could then add the shortcut as one of the 9 links on the home page for easy access, to turn the data connection on & off at will
djngal said:
Hi, i have already used all methods discussed above. i have nodata and i also use the on/off switch to 3G network. The thing is that there IS a difference in battery times with all these... with 3G on and connection on battery lasts about 24 hours with minimal use. With 2G and connection on battery lasts 48 hours (2 days) with minimal use. With 2G and connection OFF from nodata it can hold 4 days on a single charge!
At least thats happening with my battery, coz i heard some stories about batteries holding 6-9 hours which never happened to me unless im using it fully for those 9 hours...
PS: by minimal usage i mean a couple of phone calls, a couple of sms and around 10-15 mins of internet connection either wifi or gprs just to update weather, twitter, email etc. The rest of its time, in sleep mode.
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If those figures are typical for you, then you are doing very well! Most users see about 25-30% improvement by turning off 3G, and significantly less for turning data off.
It's important to realise that it is mostly data transfer that uses battery power, not the state of being connected or not. To go 4 days without any data transfer at all would mean a substantial reduction in overall device functionality, as you'd be simply using the installed programs in self contained mode- that may well limit the amount you even turn it on, so saving even more power. No email/web browsing/weather etc may well improve the battery life, but at what expense in terms of functionality?
As I mention above, it might be better to find out which programs are downloading data and at what intervals, and modify those settings to save both data use and battery life.
Not quite sure I am after the same as the op, but its close and I don't see the point in starting a new thread.
But I want my hd2 to use Wifi when I am connected to it and not the 3g connection. Had a quick search, but maybe I am using the wrong terms!! as i couldnt find anything.
keith43 said:
Not quite sure I am after the same as the op, but its close and I don't see the point in starting a new thread.
But I want my hd2 to use Wifi when I am connected to it and not the 3g connection. Had a quick search, but maybe I am using the wrong terms!! as i couldnt find anything.
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The HD2 and all Windows Mobile phones ought to use an open WiFi connection in preference to the phone signal without you having to do anything.
There are some provisos though:
It must be a valid WiFi connection, so check that the device can use the WiFi signal properly
The data session needs to be initiated after the WiFi is turned on, or it may continue using the phone signal. So, for web browsing, exit the browser, and restart it after turning on WiFi. Stuff such as location services, weather updates etc might continue using the phone, but the amount of data they use is relatively small unless you have a very short update interval.
Wonder if anybody has made a cab: "Connect ONLY and ONLY using WiFi"
*lol*
if there is - I will get it