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Benchmark results??

Hello!
I have a Jamin and I am currently running SPB nechmark on it. I do so because I have installed a bunch of applications and I have the **impression* that it has become a little bit laggy.. If it is so I will remove the relevant application that causes the delay..\\Questions:
1. Does anybody know where can I find benchmark results on clean PDA (i.e. no apps isntalled).
2. Does anybody know any application that could identify which processes are eating processor power (like win task manager)
3. Does anybody know any usual suspect applications that might cause such delays (e.g. I have installed two today plugins - pocket weather and phone alarm)..
Best Regards
Evans

Evans_Prophet said:
Hello!
I have a Jamin and I am currently running SPB nechmark on it. I do so because I have installed a bunch of applications and I have the **impression* that it has become a little bit laggy.. If it is so I will remove the relevant application that causes the delay..\\Questions:
1. Does anybody know where can I find benchmark results on clean PDA (i.e. no apps isntalled).
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Use sprite backup (available on trial) for a good backup & hard-reset, now you can compare your own clean device & restore afterwards.
Evans_Prophet said:
2. Does anybody know any application that could identify which processes are eating processor power (like win task manager)
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try memmaid it has a good taskmanager for this. Available on trial.
Evans_Prophet said:
3. Does anybody know any usual suspect applications that might cause such delays (e.g. I have installed two today plugins - pocket weather and phone alarm)..
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Today plugins usually slow down your device, do a benchmark without the plug-ins being active to see the diff.
Regards, M
Btw my figures on a full loaded magician, very curious about yours:
</start-date> <benchmark-results>
01.27.2006 PM10A Turbo on
<builtin-fe> 13.080.900.000
<builtin-pie-html> 2.619.200.000
<builtin-pie-jpeg> 1.570.100.000
<builtin-pw> 7.450.600.000
<fs-db> 791.600.000
<fs-dirlisting> 9.903.200.000
<fs-largefilecopy> 15.583.900.000
<fs-largefileread> 2.463.600.000
<fs-largefilewrite> 12.235.700.000
<fs-manyfilescopy> 61.596.100.000
<fs-manyfilesread> 5.913.900.000
<fs-manyfileswrite> 57.473.400.000
<grf-ddb> 7.515.000
<grf-dib> 46.490.000
<grf-gapi> 5.990.000
<misc-arkaball> 9.328.000
<misc-jpeg> 2.591.900.000
<misc-memcpy> 12.959.000
<misc-mflops> 4.736.800.000
<misc-mops> 1.108.400.000
<misc-mwips> 9.719.000.000
<misc-zip> 11.291.800.000

Close programs??

is there a registry hack that will close a program instead of minimising it?

Here you go! http://www.trancreative.com/mb.aspx and the best part is that it's free!!!

There are many programs that will do this, some of them have many other functions that you will find useful.
My favourite program, WisBar Advance does this as part of a massive set of functions, and adds the ability to completely skin your device.
The trade is that it uses heaps of valuable RAM and isn't free.
ViJay555 has a piece of software that will also perform this function, VJOKButt.
This is something that many people ask about, we all find our own solution.

cheers guys i'll try them out. does anyone know why microsoft did this?

bobbyb said:
cheers guys i'll try them out. does anyone know why microsoft did this?
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So that applications will "seem" to start faster after the first initial load.

The way MS sees us using the device often has little to do with the reality of using a PDA.
The default tools loaded by WM5 or the carriers (the ExtROM contents) are what they assume we will use and they do try to provide the things that most people want. Word, Phone, Calendar etc will all run quite happily in the memory that we have been (grieviously under)allocated on the device. However, when you start putting lots of third party apps in there you find that 64MB isn't enough. Skinning, Today plugins, TomTom, alternative BT stacks and voice diallers, better PIMs and the like all take up more space than MS had planned and we have to close them to save space.
If you ran it the way it was intended then minimising without closing would be acceptable.
Reminds me of Monty Python:
You're all individuals!
I'm not ...
One day I'll find a way to upgrade this baby to 512MB of DDR and drop a 2GHz CPU in it ... Then I'll be a happy camper =)

One problem I ran into, well, really not a problem just didnt think. As mentioned there are several programs that work great and I run SPB Pocket plus and all was great until my Exec started running slower & slower and eventually crashed. What I realized was that I was closing programs with the "ok" button on the keypad. This will only minimize not close so my programs were still running and stacking up in memory. This is a big "DUH". As long as you use the "x" in the top coner then the programs mentioned can close your program (as designed) but if you use the keypad "ok" the programs will continue to run in the background. Just a heads up.

Unless you use PQz! This program has an option that lets the "ok" button on the keyboard actually close apps.
have I mentioned I'm a fan of PQz? ;-)

Thanks, I will check it out.

gwes.exe just keeps growing

hi
I use MemMaid and the running process that uses the most memory is "gwes.exe".
the problem is ,that the amount of memory it uses just keeps growing,rising on a daily basis .I've found that a soft reset brings it right down again :lol: ,but then it starts to rise once more .
Does anyone have a similar problem?
Is there any way of bringing down its memory use without soft reset?

markbrudney said:
hi
I use MemMaid and the running process that uses the most memory is "gwes.exe".
the problem is ,that the amount of memory it uses just keeps growing,rising on a daily basis .I've found that a soft reset brings it right down again :lol: ,but then it starts to rise once more .
Does anyone have a similar problem?
Is there any way of bringing down its memory use without soft reset?
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same to me. 10MB was the size of it. killing it makes the device freeze

don't kill gwes, it is a system process, stands for Graphics, Windowing and Events Subsystem.
i dunno why you get the memory leak, i don't. i always thought spb pocketplus is the culprit, but someone just claimed he had no leaks while using spb+. but give this a try if you happen to use it...

Same here and that is not just with gwes but with many other system files, but gwes is of course the biggest. Isn't this an issue with WM5?
I also use OxiosMemory and try to mitigate this by forcing the processes to release resources not in use, but that does not elimate this issue completely.

harryk1372 said:
Same here and that is not just with gwes but with many other system files, but gwes is of course the biggest. Isn't this an issue with WM5?
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no, the explanation is not this simple. i run the same wm5 as you and i dont have this problem.

cmonex,
Can I ask you what apps you run? It might be the apps I am running that you do not run is causing the memory leak.

harryk1372 said:
cmonex,
Can I ask you what apps you run? It might be the apps I am running that you do not run is causing the memory leak.
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i leave these constantly running all the time:
magicbuttons
taskmgr v1.6 (from buzzdev)
uptime
also usually leave these running:
totalcommander
opera
messages (sms)
occasionally using:
iGO 2006
Netfront 3.3
PQZII
vijay's full terminal screen hack
ftpsrv
phm regedit
tre regedit
adobe acrobat
mobipocket
wmirc
softmaker textmaker (wow sucks why no real vga)
tcpmp 0.71
hope this helped what apps are you running?

cmonex said:
hope this helped what apps are you running?
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Thanks for that. What I run is quite a few and some are same as yours. The biggest difference is that I run Wisbar Advance 2 and Wisbar Advance Desktop to skin the GUI.
The apps I am constantly running:
Wisbar Advance 2
Wisbar Advance Desktop
SEVEN (mobile push email)
ATOK (IME for Japanese language)
DefSIPChange (changes default SIP)
PQz
The apps I am running occasionally:
Backup and Restore
GSFinder
MemMaid
Oxios CloseApps
Oxios Hibernate
PHM RegEdit
JpegCapture
TCPMP
VeriChat
Warm Reboot
GB-SOFT Tweak
Pocket Tweak
I will have to check the ones I am constantly running to see if any of them is causing this problem but it could be the first two on the above list.

hi
I run:
contacts
calendar
comm manger
internet explorer
resco file explorer
MemMaid
games
These I run most of the time and I frequently have to switch them off in settings/system/memory in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory free
However gwes.exe never decreases
Can anyone see a link?

markbrudney said:
hi
I run:
contacts
calendar
comm manger
internet explorer
resco file explorer
MemMaid
games
These I run most of the time and I frequently have to switch them off in settings/system/memory in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory free
However gwes.exe never decreases
Can anyone see a link?
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hummm i didnt list the builtin apps but what i use from them is contacts, comm manager, PIE (very rarely), messages (only for sms), word... (sometimes the other office stuff too) would use calendar too but i always forget to note my todos in it
+ and i forgot to list nPOP (for emails) and a screenshot maker (magic something)..
anyway what you run doesn't sound too bad, if you really use no today plugins.. i got no idea.. what ROM version do you run?

The growth is because it caches icons (start menu - programs - settings) to speed up the display. At least that's my best guess!!!

hi
rom version:1.30.107 wwe
I did a soft reset today and gwes.exe went down to 4.22MB
I then ran only the wifi (comm manager) and gwes rose to 4.35MB
I ran it again after switching it off in settings/system/memory and it rose to 4.78MB
when I switched it off again in settings/system/memory it came down to 4.56MB but its obviously where the leak is.,because I didn't run anything else.
the problem is how do I stop it?

Hi all there,
same problem with my german VPA IV (Vodafone) even after several ROM upgrades (Jasjar, qtec, new vodafone ger) no changes of this strange behavior
I really hope, there's anybody out there, who can help us with this annoying thing.

This gwes.exe issue is experienced with WM2003SE as well. I found this in one of the threads in Windows Mobile Team Blog.
"With WM2003SE, I had issues like GWES.exe growing until I ran out of RAM. So, I purchased WM5, hoping the repurposed strata flash and new OS would resolve the issues."
You can also refer to below for gwes.exe in detail.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...ui5/html/wce50conshellanduserinterface146.asp
Someone was saying earlier in this thread that gwes.exe caches icons. That might be true but may not be just icons and that explains why gwes.exe grows. Or, it might be that some apps you are running are causing memory leak but that is not easy to spot on.
A workaround to this I use and can recommend to anyone having this problem is Oxios Memory 1.40. It's free!
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
One of its apps is Oxios Hibernate. WM_HIBERNATE is a window message that is generated by the Windows operating system and sent to an application when system resources are running low. All applications should get the message and handle it by attempting to release as many resources as possible by unloading processes, destroying windows, or freeing up as much local storage as possible without damaging the internal state of the system.
I normally run this whenever the free memory space gets low like down to 15MB before my device gets unstable. I normally gain quite a bit by reducing the sizes of gwes.exe and all other processes running are occupying and that I don't have to reboot my device everyday. Check the size of gwes.exe with MemMaid before and after you run this and you will notice how effective it is. :roll:

thanks harryk1372,
Oxios Memory 1.40 is great and I managed to release 3MB of memory.
However none of it came off gwes.exe.
Just a matter of interest ,how many times should I use Oxios Hibernate?
Every time I press it,I get some memory back.

markbrudney said:
thanks harryk1372,
Oxios Memory 1.40 is great and I managed to release 3MB of memory.
However none of it came off gwes.exe.
Just a matter of interest ,how many times should I use Oxios Hibernate?
Every time I press it,I get some memory back.
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Maybe that gwes.exe did not have any resource to release at the point you ran Oxios Hibernate and it was already close to the bare bones. Try running Oxios CloseApps as well as Oxios Hibernate. CloseApps closes processes running in the background and that releases the memory used by those.
You do get some memory back by running Hibernate multiple times but the actual amount you get back is very small after the first run although the dialogue may say it is like 2 to 3MB released every time. I am not sure why this is but I think it is no use running it multiple times. Just run it once or twice a day when you find that the free memory is low.
As I wrote in the earlier post, Oxios Memory is just a workaround I found. It does not eliminate the problem completely and the memory resources used by the processes running will never go down to the level of right after the reboot of the device. I experienced that gwes.exe gradually grows in several days to the point when I need to reboot my device even with running Hibernate from time to time. It's just that I don't need to reboot it like everyday.

thanks harry

thank you very much

hey i had the same problem that is mentioned here....
i was running spb pocket plus when i noticed this....
now with ilauncher and spb diary i have around 25 mb at start up and hardly if any memory leak....
with ilauncher alone i have around 27.5 mb
also some software have been updated like pocket informant webis mail..my experience with them shows me that they have next to no memory leak...
what i have noticed is that applications which are not designed for wm5 have terrible leak....case in point....girders which i a game with simple graphics leaves me with only 9 mb when i exit the app...while with skyforce 1.22 (wm5) the leak is hardly 100-200kb

you could try htcAddicts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=487490
it seems to be more powerful than Oxios

Athena CPU Speed

Hi everyone,
I was not able to adjust CPU speed in System menu, because the is no such. I installed BatteryStatus and it detected 312MHz. Is there any way to check/adjust system performance?

oleg_ku said:
Hi everyone,
I was not able to adjust CPU speed in System menu, because the is no such. I installed BatteryStatus and it detected 312MHz. Is there any way to check/adjust system performance?
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Ah yes, you may be right. I installed Pocket Hack Master 4.00 and I noticed when I unplugged the power, the CPU speed dropped down to CPU 100Mhz, Bus 104, Mem 52, LCD 52
and when I plugged in the power adaptor the speed became
CPU: 624Mhz, Bus 208Mhz, Mem 104Mhz, LCD 104Mhz
It seems that Athena has already Scaling feature bulit-in. Awesome! but with PHM you can go into advance and then tick checkbox: Disable Device Built-In Scaling. And You would be running Athena always at full speed non-stop!! woohoo!!

And watch the battery last 2 minutes Boohoo.
There was a reason it autoscales! But yes, it kinda sucks that they say its great because of this 620mghz cpu, then run it at 100mghz half the time.

This is very interesting information. I see the wait icon quite often and wondered if the device was running at full speed! I think I'll get PHM!
-Krip

Assuming you're talking about PHM Registry Editor:
Which registry key is this?

jlingo said:
I installed Pocket Hack Master 4.00 and I noticed when I unplugged the power, the CPU speed dropped down to CPU 100Mhz, Bus 104, Mem 52, LCD 52
and when I plugged in the power adaptor the speed became
CPU: 624Mhz, Bus 208Mhz, Mem 104Mhz, LCD 104Mhz
It seems that Athena has already Scaling feature bulit-in. Awesome! but with PHM you can go into advance and then tick checkbox: Disable Device Built-In Scaling. And You would be running Athena always at full speed non-stop!! woohoo!!
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Well, Thanks a lot. I installed it and apprently it helps. Cause I use Navi software and always connect the device to a charger - so there is no worry about standby time.
Again - Thanks!!!

Moskus said:
Assuming you're talking about PHM Registry Editor:
Which registry key is this?
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No they're talking about Pocket Hack Master 4.00. You can find it here:
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Tweaks/Pocket-Hack-Master-2006-5051.shtml
Hope this helps,
Fin

It keeps locking up my machine when I load it.
Worked long enough to test one speed setting (the normal high one), then every time I start it up it locks up.
Glad it's a trial. Seems to lock up on the nag screen, so the developers will get an email saying "Um. This locks up when it nags me to buy it, so I won't".

RichardKAthena said:
It keeps locking up my machine when I load it.
Worked long enough to test one speed setting (the normal high one), then every time I start it up it locks up.
Glad it's a trial. Seems to lock up on the nag screen, so the developers will get an email saying "Um. This locks up when it nags me to buy it, so I won't".
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You'll need to go into settings, then advanced and check off the box to disable built-in auto scaling. Two auto scalers working at the same time would definately give you grief.

mysticbluebmw said:
You'll need to go into settings, then advanced and check off the box to disable built-in auto scaling. Two auto scalers working at the same time would definately give you grief.
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do you know how to disable the tray icon that PHM puts? it's wasting one row of my screen's space....

findus said:
No they're talking about Pocket Hack Master 4.00. You can find it here:
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Tweaks/Pocket-Hack-Master-2006-5051.shtml
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Ah! Thank you for the information.

wu5262 said:
do you know how to disable the tray icon that PHM puts? it's wasting one row of my screen's space....
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Sorry, I really don't know, but it does allow you to change CPU speed on fly (after you've set your favorite speeds), which makes a pretty useful tray icon. Though I hate to waste screen real estate, too! If I find out a way, I'll post it here.

mysticbluebmw said:
Sorry, I really don't know, but it does allow you to change CPU speed on fly (after you've set your favorite speeds), which makes a pretty useful tray icon. Though I hate to waste screen real estate, too! If I find out a way, I'll post it here.
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here is the solution, just install this and it will be fine

Ahhhh, very useful. Thanks.

What speed settings are you guys running your Athena using PHM?

great tool - how about overclocking? lol
i read of guys running the pxa270 @667mhz...

Free program to monitor tasks/cpu usage?

Is there a free program for the Herald (WM5) to monitor tasks and cpu usage?
Greetings and thanks,

Battery Status
Search these forums for BatteryStatus.
It will not only show CPU usage but it will enable you to under/overclock your cpu (stable up to 273 continious) and has several usefull tools included.
Search these forums for X-buttom.
It will display the running programs (not tasks) and lets you swap and close the programs.
There's also a little tool for showing the tasks, but I forgot the name; did you already perform a search thru the forums?

I did perform a search but couldn't find anything. Maybe I wasn't looking for the right things. BatteryStatus looks nice but it doesn't show a per-process task and how much cpu each task is using. I'm trying to find out why sometimes my Herald seems to be draining a lot more battery then at other points. I found some threads on these forums about this problem but none seemed to give a solution to that problem.
Greetings and thanks,

MemMaid is what you might be looking for. It will show you all the apps that's running and the cp usage per app as well. I'm not sure of other apps out there, but I'm sure this app does this. Hope this helps

robosiris said:
MemMaid is what you might be looking for. It will show you all the apps that's running and the cp usage per app as well. I'm not sure of other apps out there, but I'm sure this app does this. Hope this helps
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Hmm but this program is not free. There are really no free programs available that have similar functionality? It doesn't have to be flashy or anything.
Greetings,