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I want Push Email on my XDA Mini S...how do I do it?

Hi all,
I need some advice and help. I have read a hell of a lot of stuff on the pending Messaging and Security Features Pack (MSFP) but no one can offer me a confident answer on whether or not it will work, how it will work, how much it costs etc.
I have a small business but we run a Microsoft Exchange 2003 server. I will install SP2 on it in due course but only once I know I can get emails pushed to my device. Microsoft have not been helpful, either I pay them £199 + VAT for some real advice or just go to the weblinks read out by the operative once he has spoken to an adviser. I had already seen all the weblinks!!!
What I would like to know from someone with proper knowledge is when is this MSFP thing out? (I hear Q1 2006 from iMate but how about on O2 etc.?) How many email accounts will I be able to use with it etc.? Will it only synchronize with email accounts on my Exchange server? Or will it synchronize with email accounts on my ISP's exchange server too? Any idea on running costs, I am assuming linked to GPRS usage etc. I am asking for a lot of answers but frankly am confused been around the houses so many times, not sure what I actually want to know.
Any help is gratefully received.

MSFP is not out yet. It is up to the providers like O2 to make it available in their ROMs early next year. Currently the service providers have not communicated when this will be made available.
My understanding is it will only sync accounts on your Exchange server, not from your ISP.

IT WORKS
Hi folks. I have Qtek 9100 and it seems it already have that feature pack installed. I am synchronizing my qtek with exchange server. Currently I have only scheduled synchronizing with exchange but I will as well try to use push technology but right now I don't have enough time to do this. And of course push technology must be supported by mobile network (operator). I suppose try to install test server and test it through network or wifi. It's a little bit complicated to make it work but now it works for me. That's cool technology.

I need PUSH email from my company email account HOW??????

Hi
I think title says most of it.
I need push email from my companies corporate email system.
We have a Blackberry server but I have yet to find a working Blackberry client for the Wizard?
On my old PDA2K I have been using Smartner Duality which worked great HOWEVER this does not seem to be compaitble with the Wizard so suddenly I have lost my email capability and need to get it back urgently.
Any ideas out there folks?
Cheers.
Robin
PS Smartner client on my desktop in the office used to 'forward' all my outlook mail via a special server they had and thence to my PDA2K.
It is this kind of functionality I am lookiing to replace UNLESS someone actually has the Blackberry client software!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for MS's push you'll need to wait for a ROM update with AKU 2.0
for the time being you can just set your wizard to sync with your exchange server over the net (wifi/gprs etc) every x minutes

You can try vgsmail by geoffreycross to be found in the thread 'push-email now available' it's developed for 2003 & there are posts by yzzard to get working under 2005 as well. Need to add some reg.keys manual.
Cheers, M

DeanJ said:
for MS's push you'll need to wait for a ROM update with AKU 2.0
for the time being you can just set your wizard to sync with your exchange server over the net (wifi/gprs etc) every x minutes
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I WISH.
My company is running a REAL OLD version of Exchange server and our Firewall will not allow PDA's to connect!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately this is not an option for me.
Robin

oltp said:
You can try vgsmail by geoffreycross to be found in the thread 'push-email now available' it's developed for 2003 & there are posts by yzzard to get working under 2005 as well. Need to add some reg.keys manual.
Cheers, M
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Hi
I don't think we have IMAP enabled on our mail server and I would still haev a firewall problem so this won't work for me either. :evil:
Robin

Do they support the imap protocol? if so try vgsmail.
Sorry didn't catch your last post, forget this one pls.

I doubt they actually block PDAs since Activesync just runs over port 80 and the mail apps just use standard mail ports. More likely they don't have the appropriate software set up to active sync. Sounds like you might be better off waiting until the next ROM updates (Rumors put it as close as this week, but deffinetly before the end of Q1 this year) and possibly looking into a hosted exchange solution and having your work email forward there.

Robster,
I don't know if Vodafone offers the same thing as T-Mobile here in the states but see if they have corporate email access available, T-Mobile does and it works ok, similar to Smartner (i used that when I was running 2003SE) it works on my network and it is really locked down from outside access and they have disabled pop and imap access plus we are running Lotus Notes (man it sucks)

Smartner Duality and Win Mo 5.0?

Hey Guys,
Due to my companies outdated exchange servers I am in need of a good realtime redirector. I read that Smartner Duality Pro is very good but it doesn't seem to work with Win Mo 5.0. Anyone have any more info on this or could recommend another Real Time Redirector that is compatible with the Wizard.
Thanks,
Alex

can't u ask them to upgrade the exchange server? ... i've used smartner duality before with my XDA 2S but i haven't really used it on a WM5.0 device ... i use an O2 XDA Exec now with mine connecting to our exchange server at the office and it's cool and everything but it has a 1 to 5 second delay compared to using blackberry ...
Cheers!

I have actually looked into it, and apparently they will be upgrading sometime this year, which could mean 2008 knowing this company. I have asked to be one of the first on when it gets up and running. For now I am looking for something to bridge me till that time.
A

I have used the smartphone client successfully on the vario for sometime, however most recently been having some TCP connectivity issues.
rgds
Jim

Hi Jim,
Could you tell me which device client did you use. When I tried the 4.1 PPC client it won't install, just hangs up. The Smartphone one does install, however it never initializes once I try to get it going.
Thanks,
A

AlexL said:
Hey Guys,
Due to my companies outdated exchange servers I am in need of a good realtime redirector. I read that Smartner Duality Pro is very good but it doesn't seem to work with Win Mo 5.0. Anyone have any more info on this or could recommend another Real Time Redirector that is compatible with the Wizard.
Thanks,
Alex
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Like you I have been waiting with less and less patience for a Smartner WM5 client.
Yesterday I think I found the solution but it does seem a good deal more expensive than Smartner.
http://www.esemail.net/index.htm
They do say that you get FULL support including calendars!!!!
My eval is on the way so I shall see.
Robin

Thanks Robin. Ill give it a shot as well and see how it works out.

Well I heard back from them, and they are only licensed to ditribute in Europe, so I am back on the search.

Some optimistic hopes declaims about mid february. Can't say for sure, I'll try to write here when confirmed.

I also heard back from Smartner, Seven, AlwaysOn....whatever their current name is. They will have an official Win Mo 5.0 client out by summer.
Has anyone found a workaround to this. I tried the cab file for Pocket PC and it just hangs on install. The smartphone edition one does install, but can't get it to intialize when I run it.

I also heard back from Smartner, Seven, AlwaysOn....whatever their current name is. They will have an official Win Mo 5.0 client out by summer.
Has anyone found a workaround to this. I tried the cab file for Pocket PC and it just hangs on install. The smartphone edition one does install, but can't get it to intialize when I run it.

Smartner Duality and Win Mo 5.0
Contact Dan Metcalfe ([email protected]). In mid December he told me that they (Smartner/Seven) would be supporting WM 5.0 by January 2006 and the O2 mini S which I have. I decided I did not need it so I don't know if it has happened or not

AlexL,
I have this same issue. The work around is NOT to click the "OK" button in the warning dialog box about ActiveSync. Slide this box out of the way so you can get to the menu in the bottom right-hand corner. Under Menu, click on "Settings" -> double-click "Detail". In Detail change the Calendar Sync to "No". Finally, click Done. Then continue through the rest of the setup. Basically mail will work, but the calendar doesn't. There is something the Smartphone version doesn't like about the WM5 appointment database. In addition there are some settings that you can't get to. Like e-mail truncation sizes, etc...
Regards,
Blaine

Chaps,
Having just upgraded my trusty iPAQ and V3 for a T-Mobile Vario I was mortified to find the PPC Duality 4 client for Lotus Notes won't work. Unfortunately tech support at my organisation won't distribute the smartphone client for me to try even though we have people using C500's.
I don't suppose someone who has access to the V4 Duality Pro Smartphone client could make a copy available?
This is not a request for pirate software as it is useless without the appropriate back end, it's just a frustrated techie who has got himself caught on the bleeding edge while the technology laggards in my IT department pontificate the relative merits of running 'mobile phone' software on a PDA.
Any help would be appreciated as I will look a bit of a tit using my iPAQ to access mail through the bluetooth/GPRS connection or a perfectly good WM5 PDA.
EDIT:
Well I take back what I said about the internal guys, they supplied me with the new V5 ppc client which is 2005/WM5 compatibe and it works a dream.
Regards
Dave

Windows Mobile 5 Client for Smartner Duality
Hi, we have been using the Smartner duality Professional edition, with a PC in the office pushing emails out to 5 mobile devices. I have upgraded everyone to TMobile Variois and the old 4.1 Windows 2003 client will no longer install. Anyone got access to a working Mobile 5 client? The internet only client will not install with the Push connector.
Many thanks

Re: Windows Mobile 5 Client for Smartner Duality
DavidReed said:
Hi, we have been using the Smartner duality Professional edition, with a PC in the office pushing emails out to 5 mobile devices. I have upgraded everyone to TMobile Variois and the old 4.1 Windows 2003 client will no longer install. Anyone got access to a working Mobile 5 client? The internet only client will not install with the Push connector.
Many thanks
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David,
PM me with your e-mail address and I will mail you the V5 client.
Regards
Dave

U1000 Supports Push Mail Confusion!

Sorry guys, I have never used Push Mail before, but I have been reading about them and apparently getting myself more confused. I know that it's a way of getting your email constantly from a server so you don't have to keep pressing send/receive button(Pull).
Does Dopod 900 support Push Mail as well? How about XDA IIs? I looked at all the activesync, and they all looked the same to me. All of them support Exchange servers. How could I differentiate whether a PDA support Push Mail? Is it hardware base? or it's purely Software? What is it to look for in a PDA whether a system supports Push Mail?
Thanks in advance guys

Whether a PDa supports push mail depends on the version of WM5 it has. As I understand it, the version of WM5 has to include the MS AKU 2. That enabled push mail, provided that your email server supports it - it needed Exchange Server 2k3 and SP2. Note that there are some publicly available push email servers

apd said:
Whether a PDa supports push mail depends on the version of WM5 it has. As I understand it, the version of WM5 has to include the MS AKU 2. That enabled push mail, provided that your email server supports it - it needed Exchange Server 2k3 and SP2. Note that there are some publicly available push email servers
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How does it relate to Blackberry Client?

jlingo said:
How does it relate to Blackberry Client?
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Blackberry is completely separate and is also supported (as I understand it) on the Advantage - it is supplied with the Ameo

apd said:
Blackberry is completely separate and is also supported (as I understand it) on the Advantage - it is supplied with the Ameo
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Ok This push technology or BlackBerry, does it mean that your U1000 GPRS must be turned on continously?

I was also wondering whether as a personal user without corporate resources I could have this. I just simply configure my pocket PC the old ways. I'm using a telephone company's free email account that was with me for many years.
Then, to my surprise, the microsoft voice command started speaking to me that I have mail coming in while the unit was left alone. I no longer need to get in to press the send/receive button in order to get my mail. It just comes to be automatically - no tehcnial complexity to think about.

There are some free push email services around - google them.

apd said:
Whether a PDa supports push mail depends on the version of WM5 it has. As I understand it, the version of WM5 has to include the MS AKU 2. That enabled push mail, provided that your email server supports it - it needed Exchange Server 2k3 and SP2. Note that there are some publicly available push email servers
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Hope i am not hijacking this thread but after searching the Forums without success... can anyone please help on why i cannot receive yahoomail on my Ameo running WM5? when i click "send / recieve" i get the following in the status bar
1. connecting
2. logging on
3. recieving headers.
then an error message " Messages cannot be downloaded to your moile device, check your connection settings " and a second message " message cannot be sent, check server settings and try again"
thing is the same settings work on both my Universal running WM5 and TYTN II running WM 6.
thanks...

Well, I finally bought Blackberry Curve 8320 for my push email purposes. And it's great. I only need to pay $20/month fee with unlimited data for send and receive email as well as Browsing internet using APN Blackberry.
Now the question is can I do the same with Blackberry Connect? Or blackberry connect only supports the email but not the browsing capability?
Anyone actually notices the difference between Blackberry Connect and Blackberry Curve 8320?
Thanks in advance,

A serious question - Android for work - Exchange Active Sync needed

Hi *,
From a long time i'm trying to find a rom for Magic 32B be used for work.
My needs is to have a rom with ActiveSync (Mail, Calendar and Contacts) and, if possible, lookup in the "GAL" of Microsoft Exchange.
I know many software for these features, but it's possible inclusion in a rom?
Thanks in advance!
Ale

Back in the day Eclair ROMs required you to sync your email, contacts, ect. through exchange because Google sign-in was broken. Now-a-days, the sign-in is working, but still. Point of it all is that any Eclair ROM will do what your asking. Just go to the G1 Android Development section here at XDA and find any Android 2.1 ROM you like, then go for it.

DarkOne951 said:
Back in the day Eclair ROMs required you to sync your email, contacts, ect. through exchange because Google sign-in was broken. Now-a-days, the sign-in is working, but still. Point of it all is that any Eclair ROM will do what your asking. Just go to the G1 Android Development section here at XDA and find any Android 2.1 ROM you like, then go for it.
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Thanks for the reply.
Android 2.1 ROM sync ONLY Email and Contacts. NO CALENDAR

ckale82 said:
if possible, lookup in the "GAL" of Microsoft Exchange.
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I haven't seen any rom you can do that in ...
1.6 roms seem to use the 'work email' app which is an adapted version of the htc mail app from non-google branded htc devices.
2.x roms have native exchange support, mail and contacts sync only.
I believe you could get what you're looking from the market but you'll probably have to get your wallet out and pay.

But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?

ckale82 said:
But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?
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That's what I thought too. However I never had a need for it and only basic needs for exchange. gmail for sure did calendar sync.
You'll want to go 3rd party and get a fancy one anyway. Should be worth the money if the feature set is important (not withstanding my opinion).

st0kes said:
I haven't seen any rom you can do that
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ckale82 said:
But.... the old rom 1.5 with HTC framework had this features... or i'm crazy?
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yep. the old 1.5 rom with htc framework does exactly this.
i know, because i still use 1.5 for just this reason.
the best rom you'll find that does this without any need for third party apps etc is enomther's the original rogers rom. (not to be confused with his the original donut roms.)
you'll find it in the G1 development forum.
in order to use GAL addresses, you have to use "add receipient" to fill out the "to" field when doing an email. then you can choose between "contacts" (google) or "company" (GAL).
you can't browse the GAL as far as i am aware, but you can search it.
EDIT: by the way, it does full exchange sync. emails, contacts and calendar.

you can get a 2.1 rom and flash the moto apps from droid that includes gal, corporate calendar. that is what i am using now.

you can purchase touchdown and it does everything you ask
on any version you want
includes searchable GAL

I trial a HEAP of different phones for work and this is pretty much what it comes down to when you are talking business use.
While i love the Android and have a N1 myself it falls over on some MAJOR areas.
1: No Client side cert capability.
2: No Encryption
3: No Group Policy Abilities
4: No Remote Wipe of the device
5: Not FIPS rated (no encryption)
The Google phone is great, i love it over an Iphone but until these issues are sorted I would NOT recommend these for business use. As far as personal phones go they are awesome !
The only phones that are correctly rated for use as far as encryption and GPO are unfortunately WM6 and WM6.5 I HATE these phones cant stand them but they are (Believe it or not) the most secure ! Lets hope when the Iphone releases their new OS in the next month or so they may become a more realistic player in the business market.
Or (Fingers crossed) Google and Droid do some real work into making these phones more secure.. If they did i know they would be more popular with the business community !
G.
A.

gymmy said:
I trial a HEAP of different phones for work and this is pretty much what it comes down to when you are talking business use.
While i love the Android and have a N1 myself it falls over on some MAJOR areas.
1: No Client side cert capability.
2: No Encryption
3: No Group Policy Abilities
4: No Remote Wipe of the device
5: Not FIPS rated (no encryption)
The Google phone is great, i love it over an Iphone but until these issues are sorted I would NOT recommend these for business use. As far as personal phones go they are awesome !
The only phones that are correctly rated for use as far as encryption and GPO are unfortunately WM6 and WM6.5 I HATE these phones cant stand them but they are (Believe it or not) the most secure ! Lets hope when the Iphone releases their new OS in the next month or so they may become a more realistic player in the business market.
Or (Fingers crossed) Google and Droid do some real work into making these phones more secure.. If they did i know they would be more popular with the business community !
G.
A.
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umm android has all those through applications available in the market ....

What are moto apps
markkohfm said:
you can get a 2.1 rom and flash the moto apps from droid that includes gal, corporate calendar. that is what i am using now.
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What are moto apps - can' seem to find it searching on xda... If anyone could enlighten me, I would appreciate it.

I whole-heartedly recommend Nitrodesk TouchDown. It's a kick-ass app for Exchange. You get push updates for Mail, Calendar, etc.
It might seem expensive relative to your average mini-app, but you have to keep in mind that this is way more useful than those.

My employer's MS exchange set-up incorporates security pin that none of the Android ROMs support - that I'm aware off! I'm currently on day 20 of the 30 day trial with Touchdown and really am impressed. It supports mail, calendar and contacts with GAL and most importantly for me I can finally log on because of the pin security support. The iPhone supports this too however the pin is required every time you want to use it for any app whereas on Android you enter the pin when launching Touchdown. Worth the $20 imo

BigRD said:
My employer's MS exchange set-up incorporates security pin that none of the Android ROMs support - that I'm aware off! I'm currently on day 20 of the 30 day trial with Touchdown and really am impressed. It supports mail, calendar and contacts with GAL and most importantly for me I can finally log on because of the pin security support. The iPhone supports this too however the pin is required every time you want to use it for any app whereas on Android you enter the pin when launching Touchdown. Worth the $20 imo
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glad we reached a consensus that business users need to stop whining about exchange and drop 20$ for touchdown
is really a stellar exchange client
hopefully there will not always be a need for this as it should be part of the base OS

FYI
The only thing that is needed comparing from the touchdown app to any Android OS to have full Exchange support is to fetch the Active Sync certificates forced by the enterprise security policy.
The enterprise I work for, doesn't use the Active Sync certificates forced and runs on Exchange server 2007. No issues with the Exchange Android OS. No touchdown needed.
The partner who we support has to fetch the certificates and runs on Exchange server 2003. Now, they will migrate everything to Exchange 2007..., than I want to see what will happen because they will keep the security policy or adapt it to the new infra. I'm using the touchdown, because otherwise I'll have my account locked on the Radius server.
iPhone's are even more limited. To sync an iPhone with my partner Exchange server 2003, you need the following:
- On the Inbox folder have less than 500Mb
- Be over the OS version 3.x.x
- If you make a NT password reset, you have to re-create the profile and sometimes hope for a miracle or change the domain to the complete address or insert it on the username.
Once again on the Exchange 2007, no issues.

I had the same issue with android because I use exchange calendar and mail.
CursorSense has exchange calendar, it is 1.5, but works very smooth for me. The main problem was the initially pin, I had to call my exchange IT person to remove that security so I can use it. Otherwise, you are out of luck.
I've never had success with android 1.6. I've tried the Moto apk, and many other names, adb push it to the phone, and it just doens't work. So, for me, 1.6 has no exchange calendar, but only email.
As for 2.1, it does support exchange calendar. But I'm waiting a faster rom to start using it. In the meantime, I use touchdown, which is WAYYYY better than the native software from android. The widget actually works!! The widget from android in 2.1 includes Email and Calendar, but none of them refreshes the information all the time, so you will actually have to go in the email account to see new email, and your calendar to see new updates. With Touchdown, the widget is easier to use and it updates quickly. It is too expensive, I agree.
There is another app, called Roadsync, but I don't like the UI.

ricardomega said:
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The only thing that is needed comparing from the touchdown app to any Android OS to have full Exchange support is to fetch the Active Sync certificates forced by the enterprise security policy
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Well, that is down to the business running Exchange, not anything to do with Android ... enterprises should be using universally trusted certificates.
If you get a certificate error in activesync it means your exchange admin bought a cheap SSL certificate that your device doesn't trust.

Not agreed.
Ref. 1 (Wiki):
Remote Authentication Dial In User Service (RADIUS) is a networking protocol that provides centralized Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting (AAA) management for computers to connect and use a network service. RADIUS was developed by Livingston Enterprises, Inc., in 1991 as an access server authentication and accounting protocol and later brought into the IETF standards.[1]
Because of the broad support and the ubiquitous nature of the RADIUS protocol, it is often used by ISPs and enterprises to manage access to the Internet or internal networks, wireless networks, and integrated e-mail services. These networks may incorporate modems, DSL, access points, VPNs, network ports, web servers, etc.[2]
RADIUS is a client/server protocol that runs in the application layer, using UDP as transport. The Remote Access Server, the Virtual Private Network server, the Network switch with port-based authentication, and the Network Access Server, are all gateways that control access to the network, and all have a RADIUS client component that communicates with the RADIUS server. The RADIUS server is usually a background process running on a UNIX or Windows NT machine.[3] RADIUS serves three functions:
to authenticate users or devices before granting them access to a network,
to authorize those users or devices for certain network services and
to account for usage of those services.
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This is GOOD. IT MEANS SECURITY.
Talking about universally trusted certificates... if the windows mobile since 5.1 version and other devices exchange services (like Symbian S60 devices up and others) work flawless ... our new gadgets are the one's who doesn't work ...
The partner that I was speaking are leaders on their security division product for decades.

Sorry, but please point out the Apps.
1: Client side cert import for access to company websites ?
2: Encryption which is FIPS 104-2 certified
3: Group Policy enforcement
Touchdown does work, but its not just exchange email which uses certification