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Different build version of O/s on MDA to JasJar

As the title to this post states, the build versions for these two devices are different. Surely a ROM upgrade will not alter the version of the O/S will it?
MDA Pro: Version 5.0 OS 5.1.1700 (Build 14352.0.1.0)
Jasjar:Version 5.0 OS 5.1.1700 (Build 14354.0.1.1)
Could this be the reason for differences in performances as well as potentially different chipsets in these devices?
Some Universals seem to overclock comfortably whilst most don't, fact!
Some Universals display certain other problems (who cares which ones right now), which others don't, fact.
Readocket Hack tops out @ 520Mhz on jasjar but 624Mhz on MDAPro
It's beginning to look like it's very plausible that HTC may have used different components (with the same spec) to build the Universals and it is a fact that we're not all running the version of operating systems.
It's therefore little wonder that we are all getting such conflicting experiences of good and bad scenarios. Correct me if I've misunderstood the facts and am assuming too much here. But if we are not running identical hardware, let alone operating systems, how can there ever be a universal ROM to cure the varying types of Unversal machines?
Can anybody please shed some light on this as my understanding of these issues is limited. :wink:

No Problems on my JasJar
to expand slightly for those who haven't already read this elsewhere...
Without taking screws out and checking chip numbers, my device and mackaby007's are identical in every way (ROM, Radio, Protocol, Build Number) The only possible difference is that I didn't load any of the extended ROM. (not sure if mackaby007 did?)
However, I have no problems and mackaby007 has...one or two:!:
As he says, is there ANY explanation for this? I understand we're both using minimal amounts of software. All I have loaded at the moment is the latest versions/betas of:
Resco Explorer and Radio, TCPMP, Pocket Weather, Pocket Breeze, and at the moment PocketHackMaster. All thoughts appreciated...
Edit: (I forgot I've got a Citrix client installed too...)

Re: No Problems on my JasJar
sub69 said:
to expand slightly for those who haven't already read this elsewhere...
Without taking screws out and checking chip numbers, my device and mackaby007's are identical in every way (ROM, Radio, Protocol, Build Number) The only possible difference is that I didn't load any of the extended ROM. (not sure if mackaby007 did?)
However, I have no problems and mackaby007 has...one or two:!:
As he says, is there ANY explanation for this? I understand we're both using minimal amounts of software. All I have loaded at the moment is the latest versions/betas of:
Resco Explorer and Radio, TCPMP, Pocket Weather, Pocket Breeze, and at the moment PocketHackMaster. All thoughts appreciated...
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Yep done that last night (minimum ROM applications install on hard reset followed by soft-reset befor the useless stuff starts to install). Then I ran the Jasjar with just TCPMP and then with HackMaster2005 installed (only). Yet it still bums out. Any suggestions anyone?

I also concur with mackaby007 and sub69 as my JasJar is now identical to sub69s (Rom revision and no external rom loaded - pushed reset button) however I am still unable to overclock the device to 624mhz in a stable fashion.

My JasJar will clock to 624mhz and will not crash however at that speed the LCD gets the occasional flash vertical line somewhere on the screen.
I put it down to the fact that this machine was designed to run at 520 no more so other components in the board layout use a lesser tollerance than if they were aiming for 624. This could be as simple as resistors capacitors transistors. If youre lucky your lesser tollerance part will be within tollerance of a better part and so will overclock better. Its kinda like blueprinting an engine. you use all standard parts but to the tightest tollerances possible and you can get great power gains, same engine same parts but picked at random produces a production engine with guaranteeable results.
Cya
Stot

Wizard v Blue Angel

All,
I currently have a Blue Angel and thinking of getting a Wizard. I would like to know is the CPU as powerful as the BA?
Also what is the Wizard like in terms or stablity and does TomTom 5.21 work?
Thanks
Msuk

Tom Tom
Tom Tom 5.21 definitely works. can't comment on processor speed between the two though. sorry.

BA: processor is 400mhz (roughly)
Wizard: processor is 200 mhz (roughly)
However, they are different processor types, and different operating systems. I just did this upgrade and will never look back. I mean, the Wizard is a hell of alot faster working around windows (provided you don't have too many apps running at once). The close button of SPB Pocket PLus ensures that.
The only area I notice the slowness in is media player. The Wizard struggles a little, but it has a smaller screen of the same resolution so you can run lower quality media without being able to notice.
Overclocking the Wizard to at least 240mhz is perfectly stable, is easy and makes alot of difference too! Gives it the extra kick it needs.
The main difference however is THE WIZARD WORKS! It's reliable, unlike the bug-ridden Blue Angel. You can actually use it as a phone and be sure it will recieve the calls (with sound unlike on the BA).
Also, I have only had to reset my Wizard once since I got it about a week ago! The BA needed resetting like 3 times every day at least, even after severe hacking!
Have never tried tomtom
-Mike

heres a review I did on the 2 of them. My wizard is the 8125, my blue angel was the SX66.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=41161
Hope it helps.
Later; Lew

What model should i buy Jamin VS Qtek s200

I am looking for a new cell. I live in Quebec Canada
Criteria
World phone (Quad)
I travel in south america and Europe
Unlocked Sim free
Windows CE (Best 5)
wi-fi
full SD card (Already invest in many card)
Be nice
A2DP (i have bluetooth stereo headphone)
GPS
Able to play multimedia
Priincipale function is the pocket pc and then the cell. No one call me
For me the prophet seems to be a good choice. No GPS but can be added. Look the Mio207 but no quadband
but now i am not sure for the a2dp and slow cpu (which can have been nice for the batteries but doesn't seems to be the case)
So if you could buy any cell with those criteria which one would it be? (Money is not an object)

Prophet.

:lol: @ 27! LOL

if you have access to utms in europe and sa, and or canada. The Universal is the best device. It does everything you ask for, except it is not quadband (missing 850 and also Edge). I have both the Imate Jasjar (universal) and i-mate JAMin (prophet).
I love both and have a hard time deciding which one to take with me for the day. The universal has great screen and keyboard. Runs video and audio with ease. Wifi works great, and AD2P supposed to be coming soon (already out on the Qtek model). The only downfall for the universal for me is the lack of Edge, the universal has utms 2100 (but since I'm in the US, i do not have access to UTMS/3G)
The prophet's size and great battery life also make it great pda/phone. It has edge and wifi and both work well. Since it uses the Omap processor. the video sometimes stutters, but the audio work ok.
The speakers and sound quality of jasjar are also superior, but again the lack of edge is its downfall, but if you have access to utms it can't be beat. universal size is bigger than most, but that is also an advantage..with vga screen and full keyboard...but then again the prophet is also a great device..
see why it is so hard to decide which device to use on a daily basis...
search for BTT's Windows Mobile device comparison for a look at all the current pda/phones...
Edit: here's the link to the pda device comparison
http://www.beyondthetech.com/downloads/phone/WMDeviceComparison.htm

I'm a total HP/Compaq freak, and i like the new HP hw691x Series (even if i don't have one yet :lol: ).
HP was always a good manufactorer (Think of the first PocketPCs: Compaq iPAQs).
But if you look for major rom upgrades, buy a QTek

Prophet/JAMin versus Atom

Hi,
Did a search and couldn't find exactly the question I have so here goes. I'm looking to buy a phone/PDA unit and am currently stuck between the Prophet/JAMin and the Atom.
Main uses will be standard PDA stuff, however I do a lot of 4WDing and will be installing Oziexplorer mapping software (for offroad use) and perhaps TomTom or Destinator for city/urban use.
I am leaning more towards the JAMin for its fullsize SD card slot (I have a few cards already available), however I am concerned about the speed of the unit when running mapping given its 200Mhz chip compared to the Atoms 416Mhz one.
Anyone out there able to shed some light on this and allay or confirm my concerns? Other than the chip speed and slot size, I don't really see much difference between the specs for the two that would impact me - I can live with either Bluetooth 1.2 oe 2.0 and tri-band will suit as much as quad-band, although the one thing I haven't seen on the spec sheets is that the Atom will playback music files in AAC format whereas the JAMin will. Can anyone confirm this?

Hi!
I don't know much about the Atom, but as a recent switcher from JAM to Qtek S200 I would advise you to made a carefull move.
S200 Omap processor is slow, not by Mhz itself, but a poor performer, specially doing Bluetooth-GPS navigation.
I know it depends on ROM and radio versions, but mine is definitely lagging behind any other machine I had before, HTC machines I mean.
I'd rather stick with Intel processors and even WM 2003 if you are not fully commited to something that only WM5 provides... and I see nothing really.
Too early and poorly implemented the last HTC changes......

Jamin is better in so many ways
1. Atom screen my self-identify as transflective but it is not. Prophet (Jamin) screen is HQ TFT transflective. As result the Atom is almost "blind" outdoors. This is a serious drawback, specifically for SatNav
2. Atom has a 416 MHz CPU but it's integration leaves a lot for improvement. Prophet may be relatively slow 195 MHz (nothing realy disturbing but for demanding games and/or number crunching), but so is Atom, the latter for bad engineering.. Besides, comparing TI OMAP and Intel Bulverde only by numbers is wrong to start with...
3. Prophet on latest AKU2 ROM (all Jamin/Qtek/Dopod) is stable enough, Atom on latest ROM still gives headache, freezes, etc.
4. Prophet Quality of build materials is years better than Atom's.
I had both, had to choose one, finally chosen the Prophet sold the Atom (for what it's worth..)

my opinion about prophet
First of all I must say that I do not have an atom and I did not have a chance to use it.
So far I had XDA, XDA II, XDA IIi, HP ipaq 4150, and a number of GSM phones including Motorola V600 and Nokia 6230i.
I was never happy with PPC phones. There was always a PPC feature that was missing like Wi-Fi or widdcom stack.
Then came XDA IIi. Ever since I saw it on expansys, I waited it like a lover Oh my god, what a disapointment it was. As a PPC it was perfect, simply perfect; but as a phone it was horrible. There was echo on the conversations and camera was the worst I have seen with a 1.3 MP sensor. If you look at i-mate site it is still written under the "known issues" topic that "there is a slight echo reported by users which will be solved soon" :-D
And I gave up using PPC phones. I bought an ipaq h4150 and Nokia 6230i, both which I find the best.
Then after a year, just for curiosity, I bought a prophet.
I changed the ROM to the latest Dopod. I loaded a number of applications and tried to test it. At the very beginning it was very very slow. The starting was taking 2:15 minutes after soft reset and for Resco explorer 5.20 it was taking 13 to 19 seconds to open windows folder (Where all the files wer choosen to be viewed, ie "hide ... files" choice was unchecked). I have loaded and removed a lot of applications; most likely the registry was full of weird keys.
After a week, I hard reset the device and reloaded the applications. Now I am using a number of applications like spb diary, imageer, weather, pocket plus, time, gprs monitor, omega one calculator, Adope 2.0, Agile messenger, Resco explorer and Keyboard, Megasoft2000 Pocket Clock, Lygea 12C; TCPMP and some more and relativeley light applications. It takes 1:35 minutes from soft reset to open and 4 -5 seconds to view windows folder.
I do not use any overclocking or registry tweak to run the device faster.
I find the ppc very acceptable. The phone is very stable. No hang ups or freezing. The camera is very acceptable, not same, but very close to nokia 6230i or Sony K750 camera.
If you plan to have a ppc phone and if you do not want to wait for future products, I reccomend the device.
But I must warn you about one thing: You will see a number of people that are suffering from loosing the GSM signal after they lost it once. This should be very annoying. I don' t have any of the problems that people write here and there. But for some reason there are people that have serious problems like this.
Before finishing, let me take your attention to ipaq 4150. It is, in my opinion, the best PPC that has been designed. The lightest and fastest of all PPCs that has 400 MHz processor and built in Wi-Fi and BT. It also has a very sharp screen and built in widdcom stack. It is also very cheap in ebay. It may be a solution to processor power demanding applications.
These are all I can write.
Cheers.

What about the MIO A701. It has a built in GPS receiver. 8)
You can pre-order at Expansys: http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=134278

No transflecting TFT
Had an A701 for a while. Having a transmissive TFT LCD (versus Transflective) is a serious handicap for any daylight/outdoor navigation, while this is one of device's main reasons of being.
In principle, I would suggest to avoid transmissive LCD for any use model involving outdoor activity, inclusive of Dailight driving. This technology is older than Transflective (actually was replaced by the latter) and comes back now as a measure of lowering production cost .
To those unfamilliar with the terms, the transflective LCD self reflects any front lighting (including Sun's), while at same time being backlit. This is "enjoying both worlds" and allows near optimal viewing all-arround (indoors/outdoors). Of course it is also expensive. On the opposite side there's Transmissive LCD that usually involves back lighting (exclusively) via a transparent LCD panel. Direct front light practically kills any decent chance to view the screen which becomes (in various levels) a mirror...
There were some discussions on this forum, where some claimed that a certain provider in Europe offers "dimmer" and narrower angle-of-view Prophets, different than generic iMate/Qtek. A quick search here will show screenshots which are pretty clear.
I haven't materially seen this provider's Prophet, but a look on a Mio A701 screen outdoors can easily be self explaining (BTW so is Atom and a whole new line of new devices with "retro" cheeper screens.

Go prophet! Mine loads slowly, 2:25 due to WA2 and WAD, but afterwards is quite snapy. 3 secs for opening win folder! No regrets whatsoever...

OK, my mind is now made up.
After some comments here, and a review of the JAMin against the Atom on another forum (in particular using Oziexplorer which is one thing I specifically want), I am buying the JAMin. Seems much better and faster in many respects, and cheaper, and I can use my full size SD cards.....
Now I just need to find the best deal.

Should I get a Universal?

Hello,
Due to changing networks I am in the position of being able to choose a new handset and have decided (for the third time) to go for a Windows Mobile device.
I currently have an M2000 which has been sold so I need to choose what to get next.
I've narrowed down my choice to either a Wizard(Vario in the UK) or the Universal.
My obvious concern with the Universal is the size, however only I can answer whether that will be an issue by going to look at the phone in the metal (I still have my beloved C500 for nights out etc.)
So, that leaves the issue of performance etc. I will mainly be using it for WiFi/web, TomTom, SMS, the odd call and watching films on TCPMP (do i encode movies in 640x480 for this?). Oh and the odd game!
1) I presume TomTom works ok? I have version 5.00.
2) Does anyone know if the Handmark series of games work on it?
3) Is software generally incompatible with it?
In other words sell it to me
My concerns about the vario mainly relate to performance, noting a lot of people have issues with TomTom and videos (the other plus of the Universal, the nice screen!). Anyone gone from a Universal to a Vario or visa versa?
Thanks for any comments.