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Hi all mates!
I'd like to open a thread to discuss about this piece of software!
I have to buy one among tomtom3, destinator 3 and Navigator 4 so I think it's good to open this thread to share any comments and infos and any other thoughts concerning theese sat-nav programs!
Cya!!!
Forget Destinator for a start. We have a review of the previous version of Navigon here and TomTom3 here.
I have myself check out different navigation systems and have concluded that Navigon Mobile Navigator 4 is the most sophisticated one. But I must concede, it is expensive, they had delays in bringing the software to market, they have already made an upgrade available (presumably there were issues with the new software), and they have not managed to put the demo on their website for about the last 3 months. In addition, I have not heared about bluetooth receiver compatibility. It seems that not everything is going smoothly. By the way, the company producing this software was just taken over.
There is also a POI handler available (in English) at: http://www.navigating.de
Check out this German site for a review (in German): http://www.pocket.at/navigation/navivergleich.htm
But I still believe it is the most sophisticated navigation system available for PPC, I am just wondering whether something simpler would do for me. :roll:
Forget Destinator for a start.
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Why? I have read some review of destinator and it seems as simpler as Tom Tom!
I have not heared about bluetooth receiver compatibility. It seems that not everything is going smoothly. By the way, the company producing this software was just taken over.
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I planned to buy the Fortuna clip-on gps bluetooth: so do u think with navigon it's not compatible?
Btw, i can purchase the navigon bundle with his bluetooth + Tmc receiver!
Any other thoughts?
Thx u all!
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Forget Destinator for a start.
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Why? I have read some review of destinator and it seems as simpler as Tom Tom!
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Destinator has a great deal of issues and it's latest version is no match for any of your other options, Consider CoPilot, TomTom or Navigon as your top three choices. Others worth considering are Deluo Routis, also sold as Socket MyNavigator and Intellinav amongst others.
I have found that navigon doesn't support custom POIs! is that right?
Another thing: a little very pleased feature in destinator is the possibility to read the phone number of certain POI like restaurant, bar, ecc; so the question is: has any of the other competitors the ability to do this?
I believe that with the POI handler Navigon does support custom POIs. Check the link I indicated above, it is in English.
Ok, that's right for the POIs, but for what concern telephone number?
Does anyone knows something?
no one?
I am currently using the Navigon older software 1.5 which also has RDS-TMC together with my MDAII .The TMC function is really useful and works in Germany, Belgium , UK - all these countries I have personally tested and have been rerouted and saved several times. The POI included in Navigon also work well some are already allocated but you can download more also some from POI handler and you this service you have to pay a yearly fee. ( for speed camera etc)
The advantages of Navigon are that you get the whole of Europe and the TMC function and no other extra costs except upgrades. Up to now I am very happy especially now since I also have a official carkit for the MDA II. I laugh at all my friends with thier expensive navi systems in their cars. Navigon , Tom tom etc are really not expensive if you compare them with car built in systems
I looked at Tom Tom but found the maps more clearer ( for myself ) Tom Tom uses teleAlas while the Navigon uses Navitech . The older software Navigon did not show your speed but the new one Navigon 4 does. Tom Tom also does have TMC but this needs to be downloaded via GPRS and adds to the cost.
Today ( WooHoo !!! ) I have recieved my software & hardware upgrade to Navigon|4 and as I am travelling these weeks and I will install it in the next few weeks.
I only opted for the upgrade as I can now use the bluetooth GPS reciever when I go cycling or walking.
Funny, when I was making my choice it was between Alturion & Navigon. I chose Navigon as all the right hardware was ready for The MDA II. I have never regreted buying navi software.
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Thx rafiki, and remember: I'd like to read here ur thoughts about this navi software! Of course, take it easy, do it when u can! I'll appreciate it very much!
Any news about extracting\reading phone numbers and any other type of infos from the electronic maps? :?:
WooHoo !!!! :lol:
A really good piece of software! I installed the navigon 4 yesterday and used all day today. Boy am i happy.
I got:-
Bluetooth ( modular with TMC)
I can see my Speed, atlitude, got a compass , est time of arrival , duration, inclication of road,
3D or bird eye view
perfect sound with my MDA II carkit with mute ( on software)
Adjustable volume
I can type in destinations or touch on the map via touch screen
I van also use voice command for stored destinations
All in all I am very happy!!!!!!
By the way any one know how I can see which version of windows I have on My MDAII ? Pocket PC 2002 or mobile 2003 ? :?:
Thx Rafiki!!!
I think i'm gonna buy this software!
@ Jag!
Forgot to mention I work for an Italian Company! :lol:
Navigon comes in standard in 7 languages.
Here is a hand book you can download from Navigon in 7 languages.
http://www.navigon.de/downloads/consumer_products/Short_Manual_7_languages.pdf
also if you visit the site there is a lot of info in English , including screen shots. You can also order via the site.
good luck
Rafiki
Rafiki wrote:
By the way any one know how I can see which version of windows I have on My MDA II ? Pocket PC 2002 or mobile 2003 ?
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The XDA II/MDA II/QTEK 2020/imate all come with Windows Mobile 2003 - PPC2002 is not available for this platform.
@ BRosenow
Thanks mate! :lol:
Now I know which upgrade I need for my navi to make it Navigon 4.01
Regards
Rafiki
TY Rafiki!
Bye!!
Has anyone tried TomTom 6 ?
hi, yes i have tried it and i am a bit confused due to the problem i am experiencing. when i start tomtom 6 on my mda pro everything is ok , but, it dosnt work in landscape mode..i mean i does in landscape left-handed but it doesnt work in landscape right-handed mode, why is that , is there anyway to fix this problem. have a look at screens on the website:
http://pocketsoft.1500mb.com/
cheers, cudo
Anyone knows where to get the TomTom 6 yet?
I got it running and all fine.. also i am right handed....I can honestly say that this is the best navigation software out there as yet!! .....great stuff but no inbuilt screen rotation like the last version???.... apart from that AWESOME!!
wbr
Is it much different from 5.2?
What new features are there? Is it faster?
MUCH faster, it loads in less thatn half the time on my Blueangel
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MUCH faster, it loads in less thatn half the time on my Blueangel
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Back to Universals...
On the Exec:
No noticeable change in startup time. Slightly quicker if its already been used that day.
I would say it is slightly slower navigating in 3d mode than 5.21, particularly off the motorway (i.e. where it has more to draw). However it is faster than the sluggish 5.00. (5.21 was super smooth)
Not sure if it's due to the massive map file containing all western europe, as opposed to a lone UK map.
Left and Right hand landscape seem to work ok. I had some screen issues after installing & running tt6 without soft-reseting the Exec.
After soft-reset, was working fine.
Navigating through the options/setup menu windows is slightly sluggish too. Buttons seem to need a firmer (longer?) press to register and action the change/change pages etc. Sometimes the buttons will be highlighted, indicating it knows you pressed it, but not actually do anything.
I miss the sharp, quick response of the 5.21 menus.
This might cause problems whilst trying to quickly change setting/change destination whilst driving.
i was really hopping that the lanscape refresh was fixed in this version but it's not. Just have to live with it.
Hi, can anybody tell me where I can buy TOMTOM6, been look very hard and cannot find anywhere, cheer in advance
Hi, is any body willing to send me the TomTom6 files as I still cannot download them.
Thanks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53454&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
download the files from this ftp site :wink:
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That`s a dead link mate.
IE Link: ftp://xda+pcsmart24.com:[email protected]/
After clicking that link enter the username: [email protected] and the password: developers
try this then
Still a dead link!!
uh strange try this post in the forum then and scroll down to the 15th reply
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=354321#354321
1st page of that thread 15th reply down
Are maps newer in version 6 vs version 5.2, or is the update just software?
Thanks.
BillB said:
Are maps newer in version 6 vs version 5.2, or is the update just software?
Thanks.
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not sure if they're updated, but its still trying to navigate through several roads which have been blocked off for more than a year (in some cases since 2000) in Brum n West midlands...so as far as i am concerned its the same old maps.
Further to my previous post about speed of tt6:
When only using the "GB map with major roads of western europe"...it runs a little faster (3d nav + flicking through the menus), than when i was using the 800+MB map with all of western europe.
I still think 5.21 was smoother / more responsive in menus.
hate to think how it will run with the map of US which is > 1GB
tomtom 6
I have the tomtom6 running the GB plus map. it defenitely starts up quicker and the map is updated with new roads
Apparently, the older v5 maps are not compatible with this new v6. However, as far as i can ascertain, the POI are compatible so that is handy. I will try loading those later to check for myself.
Regarding the problems some are having. I also find the start up time has been vastly improved in this version. I only loaded the GB maps so cannot vouch for the speed of a full western europe installation. However, i can definately say that the speed with this version is quicker than v5 maps.
As for the "Rotate" function, this is correct, it has been removed from v6. Why this is so i have absolutely no idea, as i found this feature not only useful, but it became absolutely essential. Due to the car holder, i have to use the Universal in landscape mode and rotated 180*. Therefore, i have to make sure that the screen is rotated the correct way before starting tomtom. TomTom will use the orientation that the Universal is set at upon startup, so if you forget, you have to close it, rotate the screen and then restart tomtom again!
Initially, this was a major pain. But i can assure everyone that it is amazing how quickly you will adapt and remember to set the orientation before using the tomtom. I really thought that it was going to be a major problem and was about to revert back to v5. Thankfully i stuck with it as it is a better product than v5 imho.
If you like this version, i recommend supporting tomtom by purchasing this fine release, thereby ensuring the continued development of the TomTOm PDA releases!
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Hi folkes
I've just purchased a GPS (bluetooth) receiver for my Hermes/SPVm3100 and I was wondering what good software there is out there that I can get/use to make the most of it.
I've got Google maps and Live search which both work really well finding locations with GPS but would like something else/better.
Any comments much appreciated
Regards
JON
I would have to recommend TomTom - it's probably a predictable response, but for a reason
I've tried Navigon and really didn't like - I couldn't find an easy way to browse the map and just find the place I wanted to go to and it ran a bit slow for my taste.
TomTom is the only choice in my opinion (though, the iGO software looks quite cool too but i don't think there's any UK maps as yet
Cheers,
Smiffy.
The best software are : TomTom, I-Go and Route66
Check them out and pick one that suites you the best
P.S. Don`t get me wrong but this has nothing to do with WM6, this should be in Hermes General IMHO
another vote for tomtom. i like route66 but the map size is huge, compared to tomtom
Which GPS receiver did you get..and do you like it or have any issues with it? Just curious..
I'm using TomTom. It's pretty good.
Hi,
A nod towards Tomtom, i tried a couple of others forgot what, but nothing was as nice to use as tomtom. (despite its anoyances... why can't i decide how far to zoom in, why must tomtom decide it knows best a few seconds after i have set my desired zoom level... "bad tomtom!! bad!"
If you want to use your hemres for off road navigations
(walking, cycling, hiking that kinda thing)
anquet is very good. Its a digital version of the proper Ordiance survey maps, you can now buy it online for just the area you want and download the maps. I wouldn't recomend it instead of a propper map, as a flat battery could leave you stranded but as an extra its fantastic!!!!!
auto centering and tracking 1:25K maps are really nice for hiking off.
(bit pricey though.)
One vote for iGuidance Been using iGuidance for 2 years, version 2 and now i'm on v. 3. They just released v4. But i'm in the US.
my vote is for iguidance v3... just wish it had the traffic feature of tomtom6... tomtom for me lags and has made me miss a turn or 2, but its also got me out of a few traffic jams...
TOM TOM 6 DOES the job for me the maps take up some room but it works 100 percent with wm6
My vote is TomTom as well.
I tried a couple others and they looked like toys compared to TomTom
tomtom is the most used mapping app, it has the best support and features available like pois extra voices but you should be aware there is a known freezing bug on most hermes configs.
iNav v4.0 is completely compatible with WM6 on the 8525. It's been a good prog and v4 added TextToSpeech and more compressed maps. This is US version, don't know of it's Euro version status.
My vote is for iGuidance v3. I've used TomTom 6 but the Maps were really outdated here in Florida. Plus I had issues getting TomTom to pick up my OnCourse GPS. iGuidance worked flawlessly and had a friendlier user interface.
I've had no freeze issue since i went to version 6.0.30
BUT the mute issue is anoying me!
Iguidance is only available for North America mapping isn't it?
TomTom its the best, i tried igo, route66, ndrive, and TomTom, rules.....
Go for it
If you need help, ask me!
I use Tomtom 6. Very easy to use, nice iterface. I won't say I never get a crash, but the crash is usually when turning it on or exiting - it has not let me down mid journey.
Mike
If you can afford it TomTom is very good.. but also worth a look is Smart2GO (I know its Nokia owned but there's a Windows Mobile version)
It uses more up to date maps than TomTom (IMHO), is totally free.. has free updates of any map anytime you want it (updated twice yearly).. full world coverage, maps can be downloaded either via a pc (totally free) or in sections as needed over the air (with data costs of course - but no other charges)
They make the money on addon's.. like navigation by voice which is chargeable (but it works out way way cheaper than TomTom and you can buy a year of UK voice navigation coverage for way less than a single country of TomTom maps.. then when you go on holiday just pay for a week of coverage for that country.. saving a huge amount)
I actually get on well with it and like the fact you can get free map updates whenever you need them.
www.smart2go.com and you can try out the whole lot for free. assuming you dont need voice navigation its free for life.. if you do its dirt cheap.
I am looking for a good set of Scottish/UK maps/application that is wm GPS compatible - designed for walkers/hikers. Tomtom 6 and the likes always tries to jump you onto the nearest road which is pointless if you're on a remote trail.
Mike
I'd look into MemoryMap Mike.. its all Ordenance Survey Licenced maps at varying scales.. and it works fine (is designed for..) for walking/hiking.. It works on WM devices too.. and there are a huge number of maps available as addons.. including themed packs such as hikers guides etc...
Its way more detailed than TomTom, but theres no navigation of course as its a GPS mapping solution not a navigator.
It can even do a very nice 3d view of the landscape based on the OS gradients of the maps.. its very clever stuff.
oh should have added the url
www.memory-map.co.uk the sites a bit of a mess but the mapping is top quality. Theres a few online places doing the software and maps at discount, and you often get good deals at outdoor shows apparently.
Hi to All,
i want to be provocative and make a strong statement to know your opinion:
the conclusion: navigon 7.3.0 is superior in all aspects to TomTom 7.910.
In fact, i am having a very pleasant experience with Navigon after many years of TomTom "study".
In summary, the added benefits which i see:
definitely a clearer graphics, both in 2D and 3D in particular realview and also special highway indications to make driving safer. This includes more information like the turn after the next one.
NavTeq maps are, at least in my area, much more detailed and precise with respect to roads and also speed limits indications are strictly matching the signs!
Richer and more informative POI collection (for example, with the actual logos and graphics for the different fuel stations, supermarkets, etc.etc.)
text to speech by default: in french it is really excellent!
Cheaper: 99 Euros (149 with the 2 years maps subscription) is definitely less than TomTom....if a touch HD owner could buy it!
fix is instantaneous in Navigon: time that the software loads, the gps is already there!
Now the remaining defects of Navigon:
to install it you have to use a mortscript and modified xml files (all listed in other threads)
still, in 800x480 the screen aspect ratio is slightly distorted (see other threads)
exiting from the program is surprisingly slow!
switching from landscape to portrait and viceversa can only be done at startup (actually, i like this behaviour but i am probably the only one...)
Still, the touch HD is not an officially supported device. However, differently from TomTom, they don't try to keep you out and allow freshmaps and synchronization, for example.
Just wanted to propagate my experience, since the small installation issues related to point 1. were somehow keeping me away from this fantastic product. In addition, TomTom pissed me off - since i sincerely tried to buy it and at the end they refunded me since i didn't have an HTC Touch but "only" a Touch HD...e.g. "only" the best PDA ever! Maybe it is too much nicer than TomTom PNA boxes?
...Am i right?
for the speedcam alerts navigon is still a bad solution and even with the mortscript mn7 doesn't run on some hd... igo 8 seems to be the best solution...
i like Navigon but the interface could be improved. I can't see the info because the text is too small which is a problem on my motor bike. Also there is a lot of wasted space in the direction arrow window which could be used better. All the info in the dreaded TomTom is very clear on the motor bike so no stress trying to read the info - I never use voices while driving - would drive me nuts.
Would be nice to see some screen shots of both and other software even for comparison.
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Really? When I'm on my motorcycle, I have my HD in my jacket pocket and use the earphones for voice Nav. I can't imagine navigating the Swiss mountain roads while watching a PDA screen! Anyway, maybe your eyes are faster than mine
I agree
and what about Navigon Vs IGO8??
i think IGO8 is the best navi on pda...
I have Navigon and TomTom installed on my HD. TomTom has all hi res graphics whereas Navigon has some stretched graphics in some places. Maps are hi res in both. However, Navigon has Text to Speech and announce road names whereas TomTom does not. That does it for me
When forced to use mortscript to simply install a program - it can´t be a goot solution anyway. I even had a hard time go get iGO running.
For Navigon, I never used mortscript. Installed fine with WVGA xml files. All works fine, except I get the memory errors. After several taps of the ok button it finally runs ok.
Totally agree...
I'm using Navigon since the version 5 on PDAphone... and it was since the beginning a lot better than Tomtom !!
From my point of view, Tomtom always had the world's ugliest graphical interface...!!
The version 7.450 is still installed on my HD, and the only positive points are the speedy loading time and the Master Yoda’s voice… ;-)
Right now, with the version 7 of Navigon, I'm also a bit disappointed with the too small text... however the maps are a lot more accurate than the Tomtom maps !!
I'm also using iGo 8 sometimes... not bad at all !!
Normally I`m using Navigon but Copilot is much faster and is getting quicker a fix...but it always stopps when the HD2 - after 1 minute - stopps. With Navigon it doesn`t stopp - do I have to change it in Copilot software or at HD2 ?
How content are you with Copilot generally?
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Normally I`m using Navigon but Copilot is much faster and is getting quicker a fix...but it always stopps when the HD2 - after 1 minute - stopps. With Navigon it doesn`t stopp - do I have to change it in Copilot software or at HD2 ?
How content are you with Copilot generally?
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If you mean it goes into standby, you can turn that off in the settings in Copilot. (It's in menu, settings, backlight).
If you don't mean that, can you explain a bit more?
Great - sorry I missed it !
Another question:
How do I get more POI`s ?
Are you content with Copilot =
To be honest, I've only used it a couple of times. I've always been a TomTom user, but Copilot is so cheap that I'm probably gonna get it. I don't really use POIs either. I simply use it for getting from A to B!
For that, it's nicer than TomTom. It looks better and seems more accurate (despite the fact that accuracy is probably very little to do with software, and more the GPS!)
I also like the pinch-to-zoom in it. It just looks really nice.
Copilot is much better than Navigon and of course TT !
How about your experineces ?
Sorry to hijack this thread slightly (!), but can Copilot be used for navigating on foot?
I am a TomTom user via PNDs in vehicles normally, and would only ever really use my phone to navigate if I was on foot - for this TomTom is no good with.
Also, on a related topic, does Copilot make use of the built-in electronic compass - ie. does it know which way you are facing before you start moving (again a key thing when navigating on foot!)?
Thanks in advance!
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Sorry to hijack this thread slightly (!), but can Copilot be used for navigating on foot?
I am a TomTom user via PNDs in vehicles normally, and would only ever really use my phone to navigate if I was on foot - for this TomTom is no good with.
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Yes it can, also by automobile, motorcycle, bicycle and RV (whatever that is).
I don't think it does work with the built-in compass, which is probably no bad thing as the compass is not that accurate.
I've been using CoPilot Live for two years now and I find it excellent. On the HD2 screen it's brilliant and is very smooth with the fast processor. Don't forget to also download CoPilot Central Live which is a desktop application that lets you plan your routing on your PC and send it to the phone & vice versa. You can download it for free HERE although you'll only get the most out of it if you have CoPilot installed on your phone. Have a look at the CoPilot User Manual HERE[url].
For the money, it's a superb bit bit of software.
Edit: Sorry, my mistake. You could do planning on version 1 of CoPilot Central but it seems they've removed that on version 2. But you can still plan journeys on the desktop using Google Earth and import them via CoPilot Central version 2 though in KML format..
Purchased yesterday, and for the price, cant fault it.
CoPilot 8 Live Au
I've been using it for 2 weeks and like it. Pinch to zoom is great and the graphics are better than TT.
The trial allowed me to download an Au map but unfortunately I can't purchase it here in Aus so I've loaded TT7.
Will buy Copilot 8 when it becomes available here if the price is right.
Copilot 7 was outrageous at over $200Au.
Had co-pilot since 3.5 days.
It has always had odd issues just as Tom Tom (I used the latter when it was Palmtop Route Planner and City Maps for Psion and Palm) has ... dodgy post codes and some addresses and sometimes very odd routing.
It is a shame that they have removed the old desktop s/w ... but given I have the full CPL6 ... I still have that.
In 8, it also appears that the free traffic camera integration from PocketGPS is missing ... I think they are going to charge for that when available in the UK.
I love the fact that in 8, you get speed indication for the road you are on. It probably isn't completely accurate ... but a nice touch.
It is prettier ... but slightly less configurable than previous versions.
Lock with the HD2 is incredible ... 7 satellites in my study when I used to struggle for a lock with the TyTNII ... not sure how HTC have managed that.
As someone else mentioned ... for the cost .... it seems mad not to enable it. I have 7" Sat Nav in both my cars ... so I don't need it unless I'm in someone else's car ... but it's still worth it for planning routes.
Perhaps the best thing is it's ability to have multiple stops. This can be used to guide CPL not to use stupid routes.
Paul.
Hi
Sorry to jump in here, but can anyone who has Copilot for Europe tell me if the Canary Islands are included please?
Thanks
QWERTY and Contacts search?
I'm agreeing that for the price it seems like a winner. I too am a TomTom user and have sat nav in all the vehicles I use regularly, but well always a nice-to-have!
Two things that I can't figure out with it though:
1) How do I change to a QWERTY keyboard for address entry etc?
2) When I'm searching my contacts - it doesn't actually search - I seem to have to type it in exactly.. can this not be changed?
Thanks.
I want to know if you can change it to QWERTY too.
For the price, you'll struggle to beat it, however I do prefer TomTom, the quick/shortcut button on the screen on TT7 is damned useful..
Also can you change how it plans your route, speed/distance etc the same as on TT?
I'd love to get a QWERTY keyboard on Copilot too! It does bug me when apps have their own keyboards in them. I can't see it happening though. REALLY would love to be wrong in this case though!
I've got a question about CoPilot.
How the heck do you remove it? There is no uninstall option in the Remove Programs
Can you just delete it from the storage card and remove the icons? This seems a bit ham fisted.
I need the space for my TT maps
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I'm agreeing that for the price it seems like a winner. I too am a TomTom user and have sat nav in all the vehicles I use regularly, but well always a nice-to-have!
Two things that I can't figure out with it though:
1) How do I change to a QWERTY keyboard for address entry etc?
2) When I'm searching my contacts - it doesn't actually search - I seem to have to type it in exactly.. can this not be changed?
Thanks.
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1. According to the faq on the website of CoPilot the querty keyboard is planned for one of the updates of CoPilot 8 in the future.
Quote from the FAQ:
Will a Qwerty keyboard be added to CoPilot Live v8?
We currently have a QWERTY keyboard in iPhone and are working to add a QWERTY keyboard via a free update soon to Android and Windows Mobile.
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I bought and activated the trial of Copliot 8 that was on my hd2, and I like it.... I've run it alongside Tomtom too and it sometimes chooses slightly different routes, but it's not failed to get m eto my destination yet. For £24.99 you can't go wrong. However There is a problem that I can't add custome poi's such as the gps pocket camera database... seems to be a bug with a specific version of 8, which is a little annoying.
I bought it when it first appeared in the early beta roms...
I really like it, although bicycle mode does seem to want to send me on some bizarre routes and round the wrong way on roundabouts.
and some streets don't seem to have house numbers (mine included)
I tried Copilot several days in Paris.
What I can say is that this software is really really bad.... Except you like to be lost or are fond of wrong way streets.
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Hi
Sorry to jump in here, but can anyone who has Copilot for Europe tell me if the Canary Islands are included please?
Thanks
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I have contacted the customer service about this question and they told me that canary ARE present in europe map.
Are you planning holidays in canary? Me too I'm ready to go in about 15days for 3-4 months in Fuerteventura
Bye
Erik