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Jasjar/Universal: Too many bugs ??

I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?

Spb pocketplus may not be supported by wm05?.Perhaps the next release will work though as i'm getting either the wizard or universal so I hope it does!

personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
bugs are ok, it makes the patches more anticipated, and of course, with out this kind of feedback sofware houses wouldn't always reveal the issues before software is released.

Tekflow said:
I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?
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dude all of these are software (activesync and windows 5 related) none are related to jasjar...the jasjar is the most stable imate device EVER
yes there are issues between the new active sync and windows and firewall and the antivirus that you run but these are Microsofts faults not jasjars...
to answer your questions
1) this is a bummer.. i really wish they had given the option of backing up device..anywyas thats why you have ppc softwares that do backup..the one working on wm5 is sunnysoft backup..
2)most of the softwares lag behind.. wm5 is out but not all software makers have updated their products..NOTE AGAIN THIS IS NOT JASJARS FAULT..its YOURs you can wait 6 more months by then spbsoftware should have a pocketplus that works on wm5
3)dude again old applications like sktools dont work on wm5... if you want you can use pocket mechanic and memmaid ..they work fine.. for task manager i use dinarsoft handy sweitcher..not only its an excellent application but it works on wm5 aswelll...
4)you have your firewall and antivirus software and to blame for this...not jasjar..for me i had to FORMAT my laptop and install activesync before i turned on firewall and installed an antivirus program...only then did active sync work..and its flawless now.. oen word my personal experience trendmicro2002 doesnt work with AS however 2005 version of pcillin works with its personal firewall set to off...
hope i cleared up a few misconceptions for you
:lol:

Well,
1) That is annoying. I hadn't noticed that, but I'm sure it'll be addressed in future...
2) As zohaer21 says, that's purely because we have the latest, greatest bleeding edge technology, and the software developers have yet to catch up. (In the meantime, HandySwitcher is working perfectly on my device, no bugs, no crashes, just what it's meant to do!)
3) Have you tried installing anything from a .cab file to see if you still have a problem uninstalling? I'd guess ActiveSync is probably your problem...
4) Can't really help there...I'd suggest removing Activesync completely from your PC and installing it again from scratch. Personally I'm not using the bundled version of ActiveSync (4.1?) because I had an old 4.0.??? already but I don't think I've heard of anyone else with that issue yet so I'd assume it's a problem with your PC installation?

Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?

mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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True, but MS changed WM5 significantly from WM2003, many more changes than Windows 2000 -> Windows XP. The biggest changes were (1) persistent storage and new memory handling and (2) WM5's compatibility with MS Smartphone apps. I am not surprised a good number of apps aren't working.
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.

Carnivor said:
no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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It does not depend on that gap but on what they did durring that gap. If you do not change structural things, backwards compatibility can last a long time.
Actually the gap between WM2003SE and WM5 is quite large for some software developers. Notably some applications that synchronise databases (TimeTTRacker, Commontime mNotes) have to be rewritten from the ground up, even though we are only talking about a 1 year gap. Microsoft did change some crucial things, even if it does not show at first glance.

sorry, my post came across a bit bolshy. It wasn't intended.
I meant that developers would hope that they wouldn't have to re-write their apps every few years. I like the changes, because it adds more structure and makes it more of a uniform platform, but we've got to hope that they don't change these very often.
It would help if MS supplied the emulators for WM5 free of charge. (I'm yet to find any)

No worries
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for PPC
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F2-F524-4EC5-9155-717CBE5D25ED&displaylang=en
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for Smartphone
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CB-738A-4B97-8910-5CD29AB5F8D9&displaylang=en

SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.

hey mat1t dont worry about it,
just dont get put deisel in a petrol car, my analogy of the issues

louisk said:
SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.
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Correct!
It does work under WM5.0 Just make sure you are on version 3
If you are on Version 3 and still refuses to install, copy the CAB file over the device and execute/install from there.

DaleReeck said:
mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.
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hi
it works but it makes it really slow (inlcuding the start up if you use the quick launch menu whatever)..i guess you can say its not wm5 optimized as yet
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SPB Pocket plus does install and work. I had to do a hard reset after I initially used my Jasjar and everything worked right. Like email accounts etc. What I would like to see is a program like gb tweak that keeps the gprs allways alive. But so for there is nothing out there. NO problems with my JasJar at all.
Mike

@Tekflow
Since you got a Jasjar, plz can you upload for us the Arabizer package from the Extended_Rom ?
Click Here! This is how they managed to copy it!
Thank you.

I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers

Daimaou said:
I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers
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Pm Sent

Just replied, and if someone can tell me why I cannot UL files on the server it would help me
Cheers

You have to use username:xdaupload password:xda to be able to upload
ftp://xdaupload:[email protected]

One upon a time....

I use to have a XDA 2 (well, SPV M1000) and (the important thing) a folder named "My XDA 2 must have". The software I use most, the software to backup, the software to keep not only to try. Like:
1. Sprite Backup
2. Visual IT Rough Guide to London (like A-Z map to central London + extras)
3. Splash ID
and not last
4. TomTom 5 .... and others that I miss already.
And THEN, here it is, I waited so long for it, (Exec) that I decided to switch from Orange, to O2, (Orange don't have this even now). Three days of "testing"...Well the device is great....Windows 5 isn't. (At least for me.)
My folder (My XDA 2 must have) is now "The software that doesn't work on WM5" ...None of the four named programs work...it takes ages to charge, it's slow, everything has changed...and how about that 'program' included "Clear Storage"??!!!
I thought it was something like remove programs, not a bloody HARD RESET!
Everything seems to say about Windows 5.....WHY FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKEN??!!!
BTW: Does anybody know a decent Wi-Fi Connections Manager that WORKS?? (Hitchhiker crashes my Exec, Retina Scanner wants to know what my socks size is when registering, Wi-Fi Companion Doesn't Install in WM5.........)
I am glad I didn't sell my SPV M1000 yet....but I want to....I love the Exec, but hate what it does...or rather what it doesn't!
..............helps us all !!!

You seem surprised that a major version upgrade (WM2003 to WM5) comes with occasional problems. Didn't we see the same when we changed from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95?
Later versions of desktop operating systems have some backwards compatibility built in, but with the limited resources of the PPC platform I guess they couldn't achieve everything.
We may not know what they are yet , but I'm sure WM5 has built-in features that drive the platform on another big leap and over time we'll take them for granted. I looked at my XDA2 last night (now two days-worth of dust gathering on it) and was reminded how fast it responded to commands, but it looked dated already compared with my shiny new Exec.
Don't forget, we're early adopters of WM5 and we're always going to have problems. When ROM upgrades are released and developers get new versions out for us, we'll wonder how we ever lived without it!
In case you haven't seen it yet, there's a thread running over at www.tekguru.co.uk listing the software that works perfectly on WM5. I found it useful when looking for replacements for my old WM2003 versions.

I have #2 and #4 working (for #4 you need TT 5.1 - d/l the update from their site)
Reinstall from fresh I reckon. And you are using activesync 4 not 3.8 still?

I agree with SiliconS.. I'm always wanting the very latest of everything (hardware and software) and to be honest, I'm surprised how good windows mobile 5 is!
There are many problems, like icons disappearing and speed etc..but they're not life threatening.
I only hope that the providers are going to keep up with the developers and release their specific patches..if not then I'll have to convert to the Jasjar rom :shock:
I love the MDA PRO even with it's problems.

Thanks for the help guys. I'll try these options as well.
BTW, anyone has any problems with the AvantGo software?

Also
#1 Try googling : Sprite Backup v3.2.0 build 2487.
Should be working with JJ.
Best of Luck. :wink:

mosesJJ said:
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#1 Try googling : Sprite Backup v3.2.0 build 2487.
Should be working with JJ.
Best of Luck. :wink:
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This is real? had you used and work with restores?
Thanks.

From the Sprite Backup developers website:
"Sprite Backup is only compatible with devices using Windows Mobile 2002 and 2003. Windows Mobile 2005 devices cannot use Sprite Backup. We will be releasing a new version that will be compatible with these devices in the near future. Please keep visiting this site for updates."
I did try the version you mentioned but no luck. I use a Exec not a JJ...coud that be it? Thanks anyway...and damn I need a backup program...[/quote]

Here I am after another whole day of reading forums, installing and uninstalling, hard resets, trial and error....and things like that.
As far as the XDA is concerned....I feel better about it now, installed SPB Pocket Plus (works a dream), SPB Finance (great 'cuz it syncs with Quicken), and most of all, swiched to "Corporate" mode...and man, it is FAST now !!!
As mentioned before, Sprite Backup doesn't work, AvantGo works but not as it should, SplashID....nope. I did try eWallet, which works ok on the desktop but not on the XDA.
It's all good fun though.

Grogo said:
swiched to "Corporate" mode...and man, it is FAST now !!!
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I'm thinking that I might go for a hard reset and choose Corp, but I don't know how to set up the GPRS details. How did you get GPRS working for Corporate Mode, or haven't you needed to?
I do find the settings for all these connections v.confusing. I just want it simple, like my laptop! One connection does all...

Now that you mentioned that, I wouldn't know if I need different setting yet, as I am still on Orange for the next couple of days until they port my number. Interesting to see if it works though.

I've tried today the GPRS, G3 connection and it worked without changing anything. (In Corporate mode)

avantgo new WM5 version 6.0.3006 - sort of

version 6.0.3006 is now out and is supported on WM5 now, but it still doesn't sync with active sync for me. They used to say this about the problem for the previous version which i did and had not effect:-
Previous MS ActiveSync users will have to remove MS Active Sync and AvantGo before installing the MS Active Sync 4.0 for Windows Mobile 05. Otherwise we have seen that the desktop and the device will not communicate.
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Now they say "AvantGo must be re-installed following every install of Microsoft Active Sync
If you experience problems syncing through Active Sync: make sure the Pocket PC OS version installed on your device is 5.1.1702 or greater (Go to: Start > Settings > About). If your device has a previous version of the Pocket PC OS, check with your device manufacturer to see if an OS upgrade is available. Alternatively, you may initiate an AvantGo synchronization from the AvantGo client. From the AvantGo toolbar (bottom of screen), select Tools > Sync."
So my o2 xda exec has OS 5.1.1700 is that why it is not working?
does anyone here actually have 5.1.1702 on their machine?
if so what device have you got?
is it available in the new o2 xda exec rom that came out yesterday?
thanks

their support pages do say that this AvantGo version is not compatible with smartphone versions of Windows Mobile, and that a smartphone-friendly version will be available in Q1 2006 - could that be why you're having trouble?
they also say that it doesnt support VGA screen resolutions :-(

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dalelane said:
their support pages do say that this AvantGo version is not compatible with smartphone versions of Windows Mobile, and that a smartphone-friendly version will be available in Q1 2006 - could that be why you're having trouble?
they also say that it doesnt support VGA screen resolutions :-(
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Yeah, I mean, why should they support VGA? VGA devices have been out for only TWO YEARS. Just now they are getting around to it? :evil:

dalelane said:
their support pages do say that this AvantGo version is not compatible with smartphone versions of Windows Mobile, and that a smartphone-friendly version will be available in Q1 2006 - could that be why you're having trouble?
they also say that it doesnt support VGA screen resolutions :-(
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i haven't got a smartphone its a wm5 pocket pc!
as for vga support you can use the vga dll hack that tweaks2k2 does and it makes it much more useable.
but back to the original question does anyone have 5.1.1702 on their device?

no takers then? I can only assume that this version does not exist for the universal.

Yes, AvantGo now works with WM5 but no, the new AvantGo still won't work on a VGA device - the fonts are all messed up (I know, I tried). So, no go on the Universal. AvantGo says Q1 06 for VGA support.

DaleReeck said:
Yes, AvantGo now works with WM5 but no, the new AvantGo still won't work on a VGA device - the fonts are all messed up (I know, I tried). So, no go on the Universal. AvantGo says Q1 06 for VGA support.
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the vga issue can be solved with the hack from tweaks2k2, but did you get it to sync with active sync, or did you have to go into the avantgo software and force a sync from there?

Actually, it syned fine via desktop activesync. And it could sync directly from the PPC too. Both ways were fine. It was just the fonts issue. I have Tweaks2K but I may just wait for the VGA update.
Strangley enough, I had activesync 3.8 with one WM3SE PPC configured already and old AvantGo already installed, upgraded to activesync 4 and added the Universal as a second PPC. I then upgraded AvantGo to the new version and both PPC's worked fine syncing via activesync. The reason I say "strangely" is, I heard the horror stories about this exact scenario, yet everything worked fine. Well, except the VGA fonts that is.

Thanks dalereek, back to the drawing board for me then as i have tried everything I can think of now to make it work! I wonder why yours does and mine doesn't.

Syncing with Vista

Any of you guys been able to sync your TyTN with Windows Vista.
I'm running Vista Beta 2 v5536 - and syncing is a nightmare.....
ptm

When you say syncing is a nightmare, do you get the setup option for windows mobile center. The similar problem I have is that I only get the connection settings thats it.

In Vista, ActiveSync is replaced by a new app called Windows Mobile Device Centre. By default in Beta 2, this isn't installed, so all you can do is copy file on and off the TyTn.
To install WMDC, you need to plug the device in and let it install the default driver etc. Then, run Windows Update, and you'll have a new Optional Update to install WMDC. Then, let this update run, reboot the machine and plug in the device again. It'll install new drivers again - I think you then need to unplug and replug the device again and you should be sorted.

Thanks Ptm, this used to be the case in the old build. But ever since build 5536 which was released few days ago, it stopped downloading the files automatically. I have run windows updates repeatedly without luck.

I am having the same problem, it syncs my storage card with the media player, and I can browse the device.
But I cannot get it to sync anything else.
I am running Vista 5536.

ah - you're running pre-RC1 builds rather than post beta 2 builds. The WMDC app has changed for RC1 and the registry key required to get the new app downloaded from WU has also changed. You'll have to wait until RC1 comes out - won't be long now

Windows Vista and HTC Prophet Upgrade
I have been living with Windows Vista Beta 2 Build 5384 since June. This is an "evoluting version" that is upgraded/improved/corrected from time to time. All in all I should not have done that and stay with XP Pro but I was not sure how to unistall it. However, the Windows Mobile Sync function works well with my HTC prophet (Qtek S200) which is equipped with ROM 2.15.23.27 WME, 3/9/06, Radio version 02.19.21, Protocol version 4.1.13.09, ExtROM version 2.15.13.121. Last week, after a little research, I decide to upgrade with RUU_Prophet_2151327_22113102_022021_Dopod_PDAMobizEdition_v101 though I was not that sure that it was really an upgrade (I was looking for the Push-Email feature). In any event, the upgrade program did not work. I am stuck. It stopped regularly with a code error [202]: Th update utility (V2.5.2) could not connect to the PDA Phone. All comments are welcome

I think the sync of media player works much better with Vista Pre RC1 than active sync, I have a dual boot, so the other functions I can still use XP.
I hope this is better in RC1 out on Tuesday?

I am using RC1 (build 5600) and still cannot get the Mobile Center up.
I've connected my WM5 BA and although I can browse it - it's as though Mobile Center doesn't recognise it's a WM5 device so doesn't start up. And Activesync, like before, still cannot be installed on 55XX and 56XX builds. Looks like its just a broken feature.

Biohead said:
I am using RC1 (build 5600) and still cannot get the Mobile Center up.
I've connected my WM5 BA and although I can browse it - it's as though Mobile Center doesn't recognise it's a WM5 device so doesn't start up. And Activesync, like before, still cannot be installed on 55XX and 56XX builds. Looks like its just a broken feature.
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No, it's not broken in RC1 - it's just different to the WMDC for beta 2 and I don't think the enabler has been posted publicly yet. The enabler allows you to download the download WMDC from Windows Update by adding a registry key. The new version of WMDC works fine in RC1 (I work for Microsoft btw, so I've got access to the internal versions, but I'm using RC1 - 5600 - and WMDC is fine)

It is difficult for me to argue with a genuine specialist of Microsoft but with respect to the Sync function, I recall that the "Windows Mobile Device Center" that has replaced in Windows Vista the ActiveSync 4.1 of the past did not work until I triggered the firewall options. After it worked well though the Notes included in the Contacts (MC Outlook) are not synchronised correctly. Hence, my surprise for the impossibility to upgrade as explained above.

Ok, I will have to wait until next week to test your views on RC1, as that when its comes on MSDN, subscription which I have.

I'm on 5600 to - any help with WMDC? *cough*

Hey petes. How is RC1, is it stable enough to use as an everyday OS. Does office 2007 work ok on it? Does it work with windows server 2003 r2?

nickcerda said:
Hey petes. How is RC1, is it stable enough to use as an everyday OS. Does office 2007 work ok on it? Does it work with windows server 2003 r2?
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RC1 - 5600 - seems very solid. I don't know what the plans are for a later public build of Office 2007, but the build I'm running (which is quite a bit later than beta 2) seems really happy on RC1 - I haven't had any crashes at all - but then 5600 was only cut on 30th os it's pretty new. However, the interim CTP builds have really been making strides each month. I no longer have an XP SP2 partition on my machine - I, and I think many others, will see RC1 as the time to switch.

I'm using Vista Beta 2 and sych with TyTN is fine.
However, I'm having trouble using my TyTN as a laptop modem under IR, bluetooth or USB. Do any Vista users have a similar experience?

I'm using Vista Beta 2 and sych with TyTN is fine.
However, I'm having trouble using my TyTN as a laptop modem under IR, bluetooth or USB. Do any Vista users have a similar experience?

Solved my own problem and I can now use my phone as a laptop modem, by bluetooth, IR and USB with Windows Vista (needed to hard reset my Hermes).

hi,
i'm using 5536 and when i click sync in wmedia player the program crashes. it says a problem caused the program to stop working. any ideas?
thanks.

I have got RC1.5600 now, but the sync still does not work, may I need a fix to enable this, or have to do a hard reset of my tytn.

Sync with Mac OSX

Can anyone suggest some good applications that I can sync PPC WM5 with Address Book and Ical on Mac OSx?
Thanks in advance.
Mark

pocketmac and missing sync
missing sync 2,5 is ok but not great. 3.0 is the lastest version, but have not tested that one
andreas

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3.0 is the lastest version, but have not tested that one
andreas
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3.0 works fine if you don't have WM6 and turn off the 'enable advanced networking in stuff' in connection 'USB to PC'.
However you may need to try the new beta of Missing Sync for WM6 compatibility.
Hope this helps,
Russ

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3.0 works...sometimes...when it doesn't fail and has to be re initialized in order to get back to working !

Hi markyeungcy
I answer the same question you posted the other day See here
The current version 3.0.2(335) worked with my trinity device running WM5 with little issues. However the trinity in not listed in the manufactures guide as a supported device.
The new beta version 4 still does not offer support for the device yet but is in testing stage.

Windoze9t8 said:
Hi markyeungcy
I answer the same question you posted the other day See here
The current version 3.0.2(335) worked with my trinity device running WM5 with little issues. However the trinity in not listed in the manufactures guide as a supported device.
The new beta version 4 still does not offer support for the device yet but is in testing stage.
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v4 is actually in alpha stages, not even beta. Its really buggy(buggier lol) compared to a buggy v3 . My mbp freeze everytime I mount my drive. I can live with just syncing it. It shows promise but I think it will still be buggy when they release the "stable" version.
v3, does not recognize any files in my card for some reason, I hope they fix that.
Missing sync is the only option for now the other one (I forgot what its called) has support til wm2003, the wm5 has been in beta for a long time. I dont think they can bring wm6 any time soon.

So it seems there is something missing from "the missing sync"-the sync D)
I found the most reliable why to sync with my mac is via an exchange server (over 3G or WiFi). NeilM suggested a company called 4SmartPhone which I have been using for nearly a year to sync my mac's addressbook, calendar and E-Mail with my pocketpc. The data charges are not expensive either.