Hi,
I'm using a lot more data than my O2 Online tariff has available. I've tried getting them to add a Data5 or Data36 type to it unsuccessfully - the best I can do is add a Surf10, which is what I've done, we'll see if that pans out any better when it is meant to kick in at the start of next month.
However, I've got 500 minutes of GSM access per month that I don't and have never used, and am wondering whether I can utilise that to collect eMail or something. I've tried using the phone numbers I've found on the web for the GSM access, but the Exec always complains that there isn't a modem at the other end.
Has anybody got this set up to work, or been successful in getting a better data tariff for an ONLINE account?
Cheers,
Steve.
GSM works for me
Hi Steve - I just set up a new connection using standard dialup account settings and had no problems connecting. This wasn't the O2 dialup (because I couldn't be bothered to look their details up) but an ordinary ISP.
The only problems you may have is whether the 0845 numbers of most ISPs come within the remit your tariff - and if you use the O2 number (which I seem to remember is a short number) that might also fall outside your allowed calls.
John
yeah, that's my point really - it would be nice to utilise the free GSM minutes I have on my tariff to do something useful - they are just mounting up and up, and meanwhile my monthly bill is going the same way.
I think the T-Mobile Web & Talk (or whatever they call it) is where I'll be going next - I've just got another 6 months to wait - may be O2 can sort something out data-wise by then?
Cheers,
Steve.
but until then ..
But until you move steve - I'm pretty sure there are still one or two dialup ISPs with geographical numbers that you probably could use your minutes with - in fact BT used to have one - google should turn one up.
ok, but does that count as GSM minutes, or voice minutes?
Cheers,
Steve
may have changed
A couple of years ago it counted as voice minutes when it was a geographical number even tho it was data transfer (there again I've never understood how they can tell the diffrence when its just gsm, tho I think they used to have a 'blacklist' of the major isp's numbers so they could charge data rates for calls to them) - but they may be wise to it now - you'll just have to see!
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I've been with o2 now for 1x month, just recieved my second bill. However I'm not happy with their billing or customer service at all. There are a number of things I have been unhappy including waiting at least 10 minutes in the que before I'm answered by an o2 customer service rep. Even then they contradict each other giving wrong information its rediculas!
Anyway I will put aside my complaints about o2 for now except to say that their online billing is also crap. Towards the end of June I ran out of free minutes which was suspect at the time so I only used my phone thereafter when I had to in order to prevent clocking up a larger bill. Well the day before my free minutes should be renewed my o2 online bill showed me that I had over 3hrs remaining of free calls even though my bill also showed me that I've been billed extra for calls as my free minutes ran out.
The other complaint I have and this is where I'm asking for advice is that o2 claim I've been connecting to their mobile.o2.co.uk website and downloading data - WHICH I MOST DEFINATLEY HAVE NOT BEEN!!!!
I have disputed this three times with o2 and spent HOURS on the hours on the phone at my expense but they are still billing me for the extra GPRS data. Is there a way to check how much GPRS data has been used on my XDA II?
FAQ from my-XDA.com says this...
Question 9:
How can I track what my GPRS usage?
Answer:
Select Programs > File Explorer > My Device > Windows. Scroll down to the application labelled ByteCounter. Tap and Hold and select Copy. Scroll up and tap the Start Menu folder. Select Edit > Paste Shortcut. This utility is now on your Programs menu , and will report statistics for the last active connection.
Having followed this instruction I have NO "ByteCounter" in which to copy.
Thanks
Paul.
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/gprsmonitor/?en
you are going to pay
What about using the GSM type connection instead of the GPRS one?
Do you get free GSM minutes as well as a certain amount of free GPRS downloads?
Thanks Rudegar I'm trying out that program now.
davidand1, I'm with o2 on the 200 talk plan. I've not been told if I get free GSM minutes, I doubt it very much.
They don't tell you about it, although it'll be in the small print. I found out I get 500 free GSM minutes a month! It's admittedly slower than GPRS but there's a helluva lot less risk of incurring charges when compared to GPRS.
What do they give us these days, 1Mb free?! What a jip. I suggest you check it out, might be worth it...
SPB GPRS monitor is the way to go... it keeps track of your hourly, daily and monthly usages of GPRS.. it even creates a report for a certain period of time of how much you have spent or downloaded and uploaded.. really a must for mobile people...
GSM web access - but how? Free minutes goin a wastin!
oo that pesky anonymous guest!
Suggesting a fine idea then riding off into the sunset like that!
I get 50 minutes a day free which i used to use to check my email with WAP. Tried to get my XDAii to connect via WAP but despite a soul-destroying series of contacts with Orange customer services and wire-free specialists i ended up non the wiser. If anyone can post the settings for orange WAP access i'll be v grateful.
I seem to remember seeing them on another page in this fine forum sometime in the past. Tried em to no avail.
Ta
Hi,
Thks for the reply, Is it possible to send a data through GSM(XDA II ) ?.
( with out using SMS command )
if possible means how i can do that ?.
in GPRS there is digital to analog coverter is there( am i correct ?)
the same converter is available in GSM as well or what ?
Kindly explain me in details.
regards,
Rajesh. S
What do you mean?
For network connectivity you can choose from either GPRS or Switched line.
With GPRS you get the fastest connection (maybe even 64kps). You pay per kB/MB datatraffic (up & down add up!). Price per kB/MB can be quite high.
With Switched line (cellular line) your speed is limited to 9.6kbps. You pay per minute/second connected.
Advantage (for me) is I can pay my switched line data connections from my monthly calling-bundle (ie. no extra costs)
Depending on your subscription you van make FAX calls as well. Those are always via Switched line, but most of the time have to be paid for separately.
Since your device also has a built-in modem you canb also set up modem connections, those are always via Switched line, and most of the time have to be paid for separately.
Hi Edsub
I've been trying to set my XDAii up to use up all those free minutes i have hanging about (just to check email) but have been unable to do so.
Any suggestions?
Oo, nearly forgot to say, yes, it is the circuit switched connection i'm trying to use - the question is how (this is, i expect, gonna depend mostly on the Orange UK connection settings which they have not been able to provide me with -perhaps one of the clever chaps reading this post may have suggestions)
ta
Happy new year, btw
You cannot use the orange connection settings. I bet they do not supply (cheap) dial-up access where they can sell (expensive) gprs access . . .
What I did is just get a free Internet subscribtion with 'an' ISP (doesnt matter which one really, youre only using them to get a dial-up number).
There is one trick (at least here in holland): Most free ISP's have dial-numbers in a special range and thus:
- cannot be dialed from most mobile devices (also a special number range here)
- if dialed do not fall into the monthly bundle
- cannot be dialed from abroad.
AFAIK in Holland the only ISP that has a special dial-up number for mobile/abroad use is Zonnet.
Maybe this issue is not the case in UK, but do check it before starting to puzzle.
For network setting you just use the settings as provided by the ISP
Aha! Cunning! I'm off on holiday tomorrow but will check it when i get back. Thanks very much for the suggestion.
Data Call over GSM ?
I've been trying to get some useful links on steps on making a GSM data call from a GSM phone to another GSM phone. But haven't been able to find a complete document with the AT commands that are required for making a data call. can somebody plz provide somelinks how data calls can be made between GSM phones? & how to receive the data call ? what AT Commands i have to use ?
thanks in advance
Rajesh. S
Sorry if you all already know this, but orange payg are offering unlimited gprs for only £1 per day, i've been using it for about 2 weeks and it's pretty good, it's a full data connection too so you can get emails or sync over the air etc. In my opinion the best part is that you can pick and choose when you want it.
yeah i'm on it too. The Orange Unlimited GPRS extra for £1 thing right?
People signing upwith Orange to get this extra,REMEMBER, the gprs extra runs out at midnight, regardless of what time you apply it!
Applying it at 23:00 is just plain stupid cos you'll have to re-apply the extra at 00:00 anyway.
I've got a contact stored on my XDA that is assigned to a speed dial key. When pressed, it automatically re-applies the extra.
To do the same, create a new contact & give it this phone number: 450p#p3p1p4p1p1
The call to 453 should take about 45 secs, after that your extra should be applied
THE GPRS DOES NOT INCLUDE DOWNLOADING OVER P2P PORTS!!! almost everything else works fine (ftp, http, https, msn messenger, e-mail-etc) but using p2p costs you money, regardless of whether the extra is applied or not.
anyone know of a PPC app that dials a contact at a scheduled time and disconnect after X seconds? would be real useful for this
does that mean i cud use skype on it?
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does that mean i cud use skype on it?
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No, gprs is to slow for skype. My T-mobile gprs is about 40-50kbits/s. (flat-fee for 9,50 euro's a month )
sorry but what why can i use?
im looking into all thsi mobile net stuff but need to find the facts before i lay out money
if i try to get info in store they just try and sell,me stuff i dont need
Well its about the same speed as dial up, so you can surf the net (albeit slowly) and you can use MSN and collect email. its useful but its no replacement for wifi or 3G. I use it when I'm at work (i do a lot of waiting around)
Are you sure you are right ???? GPRS
Ive just picked up an orange sim and yes the £1.00 per day unlimited offer still stands but its for orange world , not other services . I thought from the original thread that this would give me GPRS access to the web ?
Can you confirm what service you have been getting with it ?
Im looking for a basic internet connection I dont mind slow but I do mind £2.35 and upwards per Meg .!!!
Any thoughts
Astro1
I can confirm (with 390 megs of GPRS used under my belt) that it works with any http address.
Haha, if the service worked with P2P, orange'd have been raped for bandwidth by now.
Not having had a PPC or phone that could handle full internet before, I was not sure how fast the speeds should be but I recently was in an area that did not have HSDPA and the phone automatically connected via GPRS.
To my shock, GPRS loads (or displays) web pages noticeably faster than 3 bars of service with UTMS.
I am on T-mob WnW (unlimited) and am currently disabling UTMS when I just want to browse. Downloading is still much faster (dsl speed test etc) but GPRS is way faster at browsing.
It also takes well over a minute to connect to UTMS (sometimes it just stays on "connecting" until I close that and start the connection again) and only about 30secs to connect to gprs.
1, What the hell is going on?
2, Are there settings out there that will stop this issue?
Help. Please. Someone. Soon. Please.
Can I ask how you're finding T-Mobile with WnW? I'm looking at one of their packages, but I'm still umming and arrring...
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Can I ask how you're finding T-Mobile with WnW? I'm looking at one of their packages, but I'm still umming and arrring...
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I am using their flext 35 plus WnW. I'm using it instead of a broadband connection and I love it. I must admit that you cannot use it as a modem (it must be WnW Plus), and for p2p and it works like a charm. In general I'm able to download files at around 100KB/s, browsing is extremely fast and the only thing I can sey is go for it
Does it only come with the pink plastic around the keyboard? Also have you stayed with T-Mobile's ROM? And if so what's it like?
What version of WnW did you go for? I'm looking at Flext 35 with WnW Plus. Can I also ask what applications if any you've added?
Many thanks,
-Dave
I am on WnW Flext 25 thorugh T-mob business sales. I got the phone for £59, the package the Flext 25 for £25 per month and WNW for an extra £7.50.
Because I went direct with T-mob I get £5 off per month for life and for the first three months I get WNW for free, so package costs £20 for the first 3 months then goes to £27.50 per month.
Generally I am pleased with flext apart from:
1, 0870 + 0845 (etc) numbers do not come out of your flext allowance and will be charged on top of your bill. For these national rate numbers that you might call often (bank etc) it's worth finding out their standard number (they all have one - say you need to have it as you might be calling them from abroad)
2, The international calls + SMS are v. expensive. Don't use this abroad or for calling someone overseas unless you have a calling card etc. Data is actually not that bad unless you use it a lot.
3, I have really patchy connection problems but think it is the phone not T-mob. They are actually OK at sorting out problems fairly swiftly but this could be due to the fact I am a business customer.
4, I found the way they bill you really confusing and illogically listed, especially the month I ported my number from another network.
I have stuck with the original T-mob ROM as I am having all sorts of connection problems (data and voice) and knew I had to send it back to them. I do however think there are more reliable ROMs out there.
Go for T-mob, the package is the best on the market, Orange is really expensive for data and Voda's packages are not as well thought out.
By the way mean-machine what P2P's are you using?
I have recently been told the following about the way carriers figure out GPRS charges. This is something they were apparently told by someone at O2 UK, but I thought I would check whether it is or is not BS....
Since GPRS is an always on service the network doesn't monitor when you use it. THE PHONE DOES. The phone/sim card records information on data transferred and then once in a while uploads that information to the O2 network this is why your GPRS charges may appear on your bill way after you actually used it.
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Now this raises two issues in my mind.
1) If your phone does the calculations and your phone is hackable, why do people not get free data?
2) This doesn't agree with what I know about networks and how to use them. Surely my phone goes onto a carriers network and gets a private IP, will navigate through a NAT to pick up my email or browse the web and network management tools on the carriers network wil monitor what traffic I cause and this will be polled at the end of the day, thereby accounting for the delay.
Which leads me to a final question - if I am right and the quote is incorrect, how are IPs allocated? Are they static to accounts? (They are private so the carriers could have 256^3 entries) Or are they dynamic? (Because they are lazy and would rather try to update tables as old dial-up ISPs used to do).
Any feedback and/or corrections greatly appreciated.
I can't say one way or another with certainty, but my logic agrees with your conclusions. Like you said, someone would have hacked it by now.
Aside from that, I have a couple different phones that I frequently switch my SIM between. What if I use a bunch of data on phone A, then swap my SIM over to phone B, and leave phone A off for weeks or months? Or for that matter, what if I am using one phone with two different SIMs? Say I use a bunch of data on SIM A which has a data plan, then swap in SIM B with no data plan, and then the phone decides to report my day's usage to the network?
I have to think that the phone company tracks data usage my IP. When you request data, the network must have to identify your SIM as being attached to an account with a data plan. Even if they assign a different IP for each session, that IP would still be tied to your SIM. I have to think that they meter your data by your IP address.
If anyone knows for sure (or can poke holes in my logic) I'd love to hear it.
i believe this is the old case of not always being the best and brigtest who are in customer contact support
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Packet_Radio_Service
there are countless cases of support and sales people speaking out their rear end
it would be crazy to put the phone itself in charge of keeping track of what was downloaded
when it's not the case of normal phone calls or sms's or mms's (which also use gprs)
or old analog modems for pc's which is the closest thing one can compare gprs with
could also be something he said to get people to buy grps monitoring software rather then bothering him about their usage or asking for them to supply a service for users to see
and maybe even limit their usage and cost the company a bit of overusage income