Can you sync through WI FI??? would be great
having a wireless router through the two devices (PC and EXEC)
Sync yes - direct push no...
At the end of the day the wi-fi is just another internet connection. Direct pushed was designed to work with mobile networks.
3. Is Direct Push supported over Wi-Fi?
No. Direct Push requires a cellular data connection. It is not supported over Wi-Fi or Desktop Passthrough(when the device is cradled).
Due to hardware limitations, Wi-Fi cannot go into standby mode and receive notifications. So in order to support Direct Push over Wi-Fi, the Wi-Fi connection would have to be kept alive which in turn would drain the battery very rapidly.
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http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2006/04/03/424028.aspx
I believe you could sync over wifi in AS 3.x, but this feature was removed beecause of security issues with the release of AS 4.x
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I dont think you are correct on WM5 using AS 4 +
I could using 2003 on the himalaya, but cant on these devices.
If you can, can you give step by step instructions on how you are syncing over wifi.
You can't sync via wifi. In fact, wifi is disabled automatically while syncing.
See: http://www.airscanner.com/blog/blog.php?blogid=0601040857
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After upgrading my SPVM3000 to ROM 2.16.1.3 FRE (Orange), I set up a push email account at 4smartphone and all work fine.
But while Push Email is activated, if I activate WiFi and browse internet with PIE, Wizard freeze as soon as the first page is dowloaded.
If I switch Push Email and Edge connection off in Comm Manager before switching on WiFi, I can browse internet without problem.
Have anybody noticed/resolved this problem ?
Do I have to think I'm the only one with this problem ?
I believe your problem is because push email always uses the GPRS connection regardless of the state of wiFi. When WiFi is activated and the push email heartbeat kicks in, Gprs is brought back up and your WiFi connection is trashed. YMMV on the end results I guess. On mine, PIE can't connect.
This is a bug IMO but I understand the issue. Consquently, you must disable push email in connection manager before enabling WiFi. Fortunately, the two buttons are right next to each other
I'm a little surprise that it's a bug, as nobody speak about it in this great forum.
Problem with disabling push mail is that if you want to not have push mail during the night for exemple, when enabling push mail this is lost and push mail is always on at all hours.
Other thing is, I'm using VJVolubilis to toggle WiFi (via a hard button) and not connection manager.
I suspect more a bad parameter somewhere...
PS : Bad english I know, I'm french. I expect you understand me.
hmmm... your WiFi handler most likely explains your lockup complaint that I don't experience. Believe me, the GPRS downgrade caused by the push email heartbeat is a bug. However, it's very possible that this hasn't been explored much here due to the low number of AKU2 upgraders who also run push email. Also, my experience shows that sometimes you don't even notice that the WiFi connection "downgrades" to GPRS when the heartbeat kicks in again. This because the wifi tower icon is still shown and the only real way to spot it is to run a thruput test like www.2wire.com.
M$ really needs to make the direct push driver WiFi aware, however there may be something to do with the conflicting requirement to leave our Wizards in standby mode during email reception that makes this a difficult feat. Perhaps a better (read "more possible") implementation would be for it to open a seperate hidden GPRS connection that's not tied to your ISP or Work network connection settings.
I didn't want to admit it
I have the same problem. I am running 2.17.7.2 WWE, 2/10/06, 02.07.10, 413.1.03.
Can anyone confirm that they are able to use GPRS/WiFi simultaneously with no issues on any ROM? Preferrably, with Direct Push enabled.
Look here for a possible fix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50223
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Look here for a possible fix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50223
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hi ,
Page not found ????!!!
Hello there folks,
After much reconfiguring of our exchange server, i have push email working!
However, i have found that occasionally when WiFi is on, the phone will still sometimes try to establish a GPRS data connection.
Does anyone know of a way to stop it doing this? I would prefer WiFi to be the prefered data path.
Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks In Advance
G
push mail doesn't work over wifi. You need to keep the GPRS connected for this. You can still activesync over Wifi, but push mail is depending on a cellular network.
ahhhhhhhh, of course.
what an idiot i am..... thank you
That doesn't make sense to me. Push should work better over WiFi.
Although I don't know for sure, I wonder if the fact your GPRS IP address and WiFi one will necessarily be different makes the Wizard hop back onto GPRS if that's where the push session was established.
If you cancel push, then establish WiFi and then re-establish push, does it still try jump to GPRS?
Out of interest, what tweaking did you have to do to the server? Our IS guys applied the service pack, and for a brief period, I tested push and it worked, now it seems to have stopped working. I can establish the session, but nothing gets "pushed". If I log in to Outlook, OWA and push, I can see my test messages land on the first two, but nothing on the Wizard until I manually sync it...
Regards,
Dox
I'm not bothered by the fact that DP tried to re-establish my GPRS connection as much as the 8125 locking up whenever I enable WiFi while already in Direct Push mode. If I can figure out why that happens and stop it I can stop messing with my Wizard and actually enjoy it more.
M$ says that they can't support direct push over WiFi because the device turns off WiFi when in powersave mode which disables direct push.
I thought that was a lame reason and told them that at MEDC. We should be allowed to make that decision and direct push should adapt to whatever network connection we're using IMO.
This is not an issue of whether Direct Push should work over WiFi, this is an issue of not being able to use the device at all when WiFi is enabled while Direct Push is enabled.
If Direct Push wants to use a GPRS connection, fine, I don't mind. But I should be able to enable WiFi as well with no consequences, and Direct Push can still use the GPRS connection while the WiFi radio is on.
I have successfully tested this and it works. I was able to send my device an e-mail and have it notify me while WiFi is on, and when I browse the internet it uses the WiFi connection, not the GPRS one. But after a while of having both connections enabled, through some kind of bug or glitch the device will slow down till it eventually comes to a screeching halt.
There is no way that this is like this by design. If you can't enable WiFi with Direct Push enabled, then the system should force you to disable Direct Push before enabling WiFi or vice versa. But I believe it's a bug because even the WiFi icon has the ActiveSync animated connection when both connections are enabled, which leads me to believe that Microsoft had anticipated a WiFi connection being active while Direct Push is doing its business over GPRS.
Now, if you could please give all of that to MS, and maybe get some kind of reply I would be forever in your debt!
If you're getting lockups with WiFi/DirectPush then take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50223
Are there any networking applications that would allow seamless switches between Wifi and GPRS/Edge?
It would be nice to be able to have a GPRS connection on the way into work, perahps streaming internet radio and then to have the network connection detect the Wifi and then switch. I suppose you would have to preconfigure your device with a list of access points, but considering that most of us use our devices at work and home, that should be easy to setup.
Or am I asking for something technically difficult to do?
YEs, Yes you can, but it maybe more trouble than its worth..
Its possible, Im not sure how "seemless" the transistion is going to be. First, you need to turn your Wifi slider to Performance so wifi radio stays on and scans while the PDA is sleeping. Then you need to add the SSID's (and WEP keys if applicable) of all the access points you intend to switch between. Having done this, you're going to need a huge battery, because leaving wifi on on this mode usually only yields about 3 - 3.5 hours of battery life. In addition, your GPRS radio is running so your battery life will be consumed slighly faster. With this configuration I have my work private network access points (3 for the different departments). My home wifi AP, and a few hotspots that I frequent in the evenings. When wifi is on, I can walk between any of these locations and the pda will automatically connect me to the present network. The downside to this is that every time I pass another visisble hotspot, the Universal chimes and wakes up to alert me to the new connection options. I also recommend doing the 802.11G hack for more compatibility (no speed improvement). Hope this helps.
Really seamless handover between GPRS and WIFI is not really possible without some firmware/radio stack changes. As long as you can put up with a second or two of data interruption there might be an 'seamless enough' solution in software (i haven't found one though).
There are some new phones which can do this handover for the voice channel (so called 'UMA' phones) but even then I have only seen the handover work seamlessly one way (wifi-to-gsm) in practice.
I can't see MS adding UMA support for some time (Motorola and Nokia have some phones that do this already). It nay be that a 3rd party adds UMA support but it won't be great as it needs to be embedded in the OS for best usability.
Google "UMA mobile phones" for more info.
It is possible to have seamless handover between GPRS and WIFI without firmware/radio stack changes ! The technigue is Mobile IP. But the provider would support/provide it or you have your own Home Agent server ( like proxy server)
You have only one IP address and your connection session is never abrupt during WIFI <-> UMTS Handover.
The other problem is GPRS/UMTS connection-hooking on MS Windows CE !
best regards,
i am using the live messenger and connected to the internet through WiFi but it refused to use this connection and connect through the gprs.....please help
did M$ do a favour for the operators? I've experienced this, too...
If phone is switched off in the conn manager, then it's able to use the WiFi connection.
It favours the GPRS connection because the Windows Live services are designed to stay connected while you are signed in. Something that would not happen with WiFi as you can turn your device off, or lose the WiFi signal if you moved out of range and so on.
I am under the impression that it will use WiFi if available, but it will always use GPRS to maintain the connection. Not sure how true this is though as I haven't looked at it with a data analyser.
astraman said:
i am using the live messenger and connected to the internet through WiFi but it refused to use this connection and connect through the gprs.....please help
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not working with me too through ActiveSync connection
Not a cure for the problem. But this allows you to disable your GPRS while you are on WiFi
http://www.modaco.com/New-FREE-Utility-t246171.html
On mine I just press cancel when the gprs connection pops up and it uses wifi after that.
They talked about it on one of the WM blogs. I can't find the link at the moment, but they said it was because the WiFi chipsets used too much power for always on connection so they forced it to use the phone. Apparently the phone chipset can be in low power mode but only power up when it receives data but the wifi chipset couldn't.
I found that even clicking cancel connection, it would keep trying to connect until it got through, then it would always send data over the phone.
On the other hand.... the reasons they gave for not allowing activesync over wifi were that it would be "insecure".
so there you have it... it's not allowed either because they are trying to save your precious battery... or they are keeping you safe and protected from the nasty people out there.
or it's a big conspiracy.
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They talked about it on one of the WM blogs. I can't find the link at the moment, but they said it was because the WiFi chipsets used too much power for always on connection so they forced it to use the phone. Apparently the phone chipset can be in low power mode but only power up when it receives data but the wifi chipset couldn't.
I found that even clicking cancel connection, it would keep trying to connect until it got through, then it would always send data over the phone.
On the other hand.... the reasons they gave for not allowing activesync over wifi were that it would be "insecure".
so there you have it... it's not allowed either because they are trying to save your precious battery... or they are keeping you safe and protected from the nasty people out there.
or it's a big conspiracy.
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but it is better to let me choose to allow connection via activeSync or WiFi ro not
Hi,
at home I have WIFI setup and my topaz is connected to it. but I am pretty sure the phone is still trying to use the ATT MediaNET Connection and since I am in the country that is EDGE and not 3G :-(
How do I get it to use WIFI when available (like when at Starbucks, home, etc)? I am sure I am not the only one
PS: yes I searched and there are many options that seem related to the RTM 6.5 build using an app that ATT shipped.
I am running shadowline's latest 6.5.1 build
As far as I know from my WM6.1 and WM6.5 experience, wireless (when available,of course) has always priority on Data Connection (through your telco), the only exception I know is explained the Note...Shouldn't be much different with WM6.5.1; if you can establish a wifi connection at home you should be able to connect in a public place aswell. Anyway, just to be sure, check the topbar to verify what kind of connection you are using. If the phone icon changed to "E" (or G or H) this means you're on data Connection and could cost money,depending on your operator contract.
Hint: set the Power Mode to Best Performance in Wifi Settings to get a better connection...sometimes it is set to Best Battery as default,making wifi unusable
Note: Live Mail services such as Hotmail require Data Connection, thank you Microsoft
look in my other post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587955
Quite confusing the way you post...happy you solved your problem, although your solution refers to WM6.5, not WM6.5.1. Never had such an issue with WM6.5.
sualc said:
Note: Live Mail services such as Hotmail require Data Connection, thank you Microsoft
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Wait wait wait,
Can't we access windows live Hotmail with wi-fi? If not, why??
I was able to before when I used to have an xperia.
We should be able to access windows live and Windows Live Mesesnger right?
Don't panic, I wanted to mean that it is possible to log into Messenger and into Hotmail with wifi, but if you have a configured data connection with your operator (e.g. made with Automatic Configuration) ,it will override wifi. To avoid that, delete data connection or use NoData.cab