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While phone is in use, I wanna be able to press # keypad

Howdy folks.
First post. Came here looking for info on WM5 upgrade for my Magician. I'll leave well enough alone after reading the threads so far. (other than, say for example I "found" :twisted: an installer on the net, if I installed it would it bork my magician?) Does the active sync "full backup" actually back up everything including the OS?))
What I'm posting about though, is there a hack or program that will allow me while I'm making a call to use the directional pad to highlight and press the keypad without resorting to the stylus?
The reason is when I call voicemail or any number that requires me to press an extra number for an extension i have to get the stylus out to press the number. If I could use the pad that would be really nice.
Thanks

just press the green call key and it brings the keypad up and you can use that... and no, the activesync back up doesn't back up the os thats on your rom

Er. I think I might have been unclear. Apologies.
I know how to bring up the keypad to dial numbers.
What I mean is when i'm on a call, I want to be able to dial 3 for example without having to use the stylus on the screen to press the 3 on the keypad. Ideally using the nav buttons to highlight the number and the centre button to press that number.
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Thanks for the info regarding backup. Might wait till theres a specific WM5 installer for my handset then.

I don't think that what you want to do can be done.
You can prod the screen with your fingers as well as the stylus. :wink:

Oh well. That would of been a really simple way to improve the phones usablity. I try to keep my greasy fingers off the screen wherever possible. :roll:

I can think of a possible way to hack this in, but is there much "call" for it?
It seems like a bit of a specialised need.
V

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To go back on myself, I can see that this might be a useful feature actually, to be able to dial using just the dpad. slow, but on the VGA WM5 at the moment, it might come in handy.
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How I can access directly to Recent call list?

When I use mobile phone, I can access to Recent call list by pressing Green button. In my Imate Jam I need press Green button, then tap on screen. I don't like this way.
How I can map direct link to "Recent call list" to any hardware button (such as Record new note or Camera - I don't use it)?
May be some tweak in Registry?
WBR,
Mikhail
RUSSIA

We'll i dont know a direct button map. But if you press the green button and then up or press to the left you get the same thing. If you press down or right you get your quick acces numbers.

WOW! Great! Thank a lot!

I can make you an app if you want. Check ouy my VJPhoneShortcuts on my webpage to see what I've made for WM5. Not all can be made for WM2003, but probably... But two clicks is not that much harder than 1 click, so I don't see much need!
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vijay555 said:
I can make you an app if you want. Check ouy my VJPhoneShortcuts on my webpage to see what I've made for WM5. Not all can be made for WM2003, but probably... But two clicks is not that much harder than 1 click, so I don't see much need!
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I checked you site. A lot of small, but very good applications.
I try to install "VJPhoneShortcuts" on my JAM, but it isn't work (of course).
Is it hard to create this tool for W2003SE? If it don't hard, so many people say "thanks" for you, I think.
I talked with my russian friend about this problem and they want to have something about your "VJPhoneShortcuts" too.
PS: Sorry my bad English

List of bugs / Problem in Hermes devices

I am running the iMate JasJam 1.31 ROM (which came with the Australian Telstra branded device)
The most common problems so far:
-Sound stops working, will only vibrate. This happen if you switch to silent mode, when you get back to normal sound mode, it stays in silence mode until you reboot. this doesn't always happen. can't reproduce it consistently
-BT turns off by itself once in a while, you have to turn BT on in comm manager
-The most annoying: If you have a data session active (not transfering any data) and a BT connection active (like headset, GPS), then you can't receive a call. The person calling you won't even get to voicemail. it just hangs up on them. if you disconnect the data session or turn off BT then you can receive calls again
-Switching username in MSN will often make messenger crash, you have to kill the process and start it again
-Sometimes will hang for no reason: you need to press the reset button
Then you have the GUI weirdness which make you think: what did they drink the day they designed this software?
Like if you receive a SMS, it will show you an extract of it at the bottom of the screen, you'll get off the following choice:
-Reply on the left soft menu
-More on the right soft menu with the option (delete, call sender, Save as Read, dismiss)
What if I just want to read the full content in the Messaging application? you can't.
If you select Mark as Read immediately it doesn't mark the SMS as read in the messaging application and you still get the notification in the top screen. You have to do "Mark as Read" twice.
Something I miss from my symbian phone, if you have a bluetooth headset paired with a unit (or your car kit) when you answer a call using the BT headset button, the call goes to the BT headset, but if you answer using the device itself, it doesn't go on the BT. This is great if you want to take a personal call in a car for example, and don't want your passenger to hear what's going on.
On WM5, you can't control that. it aways goes to BT if the headset/handsfree is set.
When the keyboard is open, if you tap on a text field, the screen keyboard will show up (and text half of the screen). Why show a software keyboard all the time when you have a full qwerty keyboard available !? Sometimes the keyboard doesn't show up, but I'm yet to understand the logic behind it. it's not consistent
And then of course you have some inconsistencies here and there, like the device will stop working as it did 2 minutes prior. You try it again: bank it works.
I wonder if Microsoft or HTC have any QA !
What other issues have you guys noticed? Or could this be that those problems are unique to thie version of the ROM...
Jean-Yves

I agree, there are quite a lot of interface issues, although I think most of these lie with wm5 as opposed to the unit itself.
here are some of my thoughts:
1) the sms bubble relly annoys me too. why can't I tap the bubble to open the message in full?! often the message is too long to fit in the notification. i'm pretty sure this is a wm5 design fault.
2) the software keyboard bugged me senseless until I realised that if you just keep typing on the 'proper' keyboard it disappears. I used to continually spend the time closing it!
3) the alarms in wm5 are pretty lame. if your phone is on silent they won't sound. you only get a warning if you set an alarm whilst the phone is in vibrate mode. the alarm should simply override the sound settings.
4) contacts - I think searching for contacts is poorly handled which makes one handed operation pretty difficult. it takes too many clicks to select a category to filter by and the display when someone is calling you is a farse! you get a tiny notification with tiny writing! I bought photo contacts pro to help with this and whilt it has its flaws I reckon it is worth it.
having said this, i'm loving my tytn. it is way better than my previous smartphone (nokia 6680). the symbian s60 based phones seem to just be half-assed to me.
cheers

Just to comment on the SMS notification.
I am on MDA Vario II from T-Mobile, and when I get an SMS my left button says read! so If I choose that he whole message is displayed. So I guess it is not the OS but the Operator or manufacturer who screwed up on this one.

I add that in some case the tytn wirless modem function dont work.
So you can use the tytn like modem.

festermania said:
I add that in some case the tytn wirless modem function dont work.
So you can use the tytn like modem.
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Exactly. Some units work as modem and others not (mine not)

Mine works, but since Vista RC2, I couldn't get the OS to install the drivers.
It worked well in Beta2 and RC1
Ken
danielherrero said:
Exactly. Some units work as modem and others not (mine not)
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Churchill said:
Just to comment on the SMS notification.
I am on MDA Vario II from T-Mobile, and when I get an SMS my left button says read! so If I choose that he whole message is displayed. So I guess it is not the OS but the Operator or manufacturer who screwed up on this one.
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well that's quite bugging! i'm also on t-mobile vario ii and mine appears with reply in the bottom left!!

Ha! my OS is in Dutch, so I am not sure it is comparable.

Mine aslso works as a modem just Fine.
I als want to post a small tip. The Envelope (messaging) hardware button on the MDA VARIO II (maybe the same on Vario as well) If you keep on pressing it it sycleds the Outlook Mail, Text messages, Hotmail, MMS accounts. Really nice since you do onot need to hit the menu button...

Cycling Mail
Churchill said:
Mine aslso works as a modem just Fine.
I als want to post a small tip. The Envelope (messaging) hardware button on the MDA VARIO II (maybe the same on Vario as well) If you keep on pressing it it sycleds the Outlook Mail, Text messages, Hotmail, MMS accounts. Really nice since you do onot need to hit the menu button...
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Churchill
Thanks for the tip, never spotted that before works on HTC TyTn.
Mike

mikechannon said:
Churchill
Thanks for the tip, never spotted that before works on HTC TyTn.
Mike
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Pressing left/Right on the d-pad does this too.

Cheers
yannyb said:
Pressing left/Right on the d-pad does this too.
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Thanks for that one too. Perhaps we need a thread for non-obvious key combinations or single presses. Perhaps what seems to be statin' the bleedin' obvious to some folks are just things that others have never thought of or tried. Often I discover things through pure chance. Another useful one I used to need a lot was the D-Pad and messaging key combo to go straight to screen alignment.
Mike

What about a new wiki page for all key combinations of the Hermes?

yannyb said:
well that's quite bugging! i'm also on t-mobile vario ii and mine appears with reply in the bottom left!!
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Im on T-Mobile too, and for me it depends on the length of the message ive received. If its a message that doesnt entirely fit in the "preview" popup box at the bottom it will give me a "View" option which will open the full message up in Messaging, otherwise it gives a "Reply" option as i have read the whole message anyway...

More to the list
While waiting to get my new phone (used to have PDA2k, and Jamin that I just sold after using for 3 months due to my disatisfactionof performance, sound quality, etc...) I had some chances to play the JasJam (Arabic ROM). First I noted that the call button is very badley placed at the verry bottom of the front as I felt the phone will fall out of my hand (unlike the HTC where the green botton is separatly on the very left side, as I see it in photos).
Second, if pull the out memory card for any reason and push it bacj in, the phone never recognizes the card again unless you soft rest it.
I hope that this issue will be resloved in the next ROM update by imate

Here it is:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Buttons

thanks didn't know about the cycle mail one

darky said:
thanks didn't know about the cycle mail one
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Yes, I too only discover the mail button could make you cycle between accounts. And this is not in the manual...
Another thing bugging me (I will pass on all the bugs and how to lock the device: there're just too many ways)...
There are 3 OK buttons, all doing the exact same thing. And the scroll wheel just just the same thing as the direction keypad.
If you want to read an email this is extremely annoying as you can't easily read it without tapping the screen to jump to the next screen page ; as up/down or the wheel will jump from embedded number to number.
It would be great if you could differentiate the wheel from the up/down, and if the OK buttons could be assigned another function. Right now there are a few buttons you can't assign.
Ok, this should be a rule to post here: list/describe one bug ...
With activesync program running, try changing the name of the PDA. Will make the device unresponsive for a few minutes.

My experience thus far..
Been using my T-mobile Vario 2 (ROM 1.21.110.3) for a couple of weeks now and have had a couple of problems:
1) The buttons don't work all the time. I've noted this when trying to pick up a call or dismiss a notification of something. I had thought I might have left the device locked but this isn't the case. It's a bit annoying that this only happens sometimes though.
2) About 50% of the time when I call comeone they can't hear me although I can hear them fine.
That's all I've discovered so far, but it's handy to note the comments about the pressing of the envelope button.
Given the problems I've experienced so far are generally located in the lower part of the phone, I'm beginning to suspect the phone has some sort of hardware fault so I've called the shop up and am going to swap it for a new one. Has anyone else experienced these issues?

richieboy said:
Im on T-Mobile too, and for me it depends on the length of the message ive received. If its a message that doesnt entirely fit in the "preview" popup box at the bottom it will give me a "View" option which will open the full message up in Messaging, otherwise it gives a "Reply" option as i have read the whole message anyway...
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You are absolutely right there. Noticed it today. long message you get a view and if it fits the popup then you get a reply. This is actually quite clever.

useful in contact manager - yet HTC support doesn't know enything about this.

Hello everyone,
I've discovered quite useful thing about contacts manager, but unfortunately don't know how to turn it on or off, it starts, let's say randomly.
Sometimes when (on today screen) i press right softkey which is by default assigned to 'contacts' and i get a list of names, i see something like a pop-up window with letter 'A' and by using the jogdial on the left side of the TyTN i can switch between the first letters of the names in contacts. Then i can select exact name without scrolling through all of the contacts in between A and f.e. G.
Unfortunately i don't know what is the cause of starting this feature, people at HTC support don't know nothing about it, and told me that it must be some kind of software glitch however I find it very useful, maybe someone else got the same thing? And someone does know how can it be turned on that it happens every time i want to find a contact? that would really be operating with one hand then
thanks in advance for opinions and advices

If it's what I think you mean, go to contacts.
For example, hold down down (on the dpad). It'll start scrolling the list for approx 5 seconds. After that, the large letter A will show up. Use the dpad to select appropriate contact start.
Otherwise use the sip to start typing your contact.
V

szturchen_pl said:
Hello everyone,
I've discovered quite useful thing about contacts manager, but unfortunately don't know how to turn it on or off, it starts, let's say randomly.
Sometimes when (on today screen) i press right softkey which is by default assigned to 'contacts' and i get a list of names, i see something like a pop-up window with letter 'A' and by using the jogdial on the left side of the TyTN i can switch between the first letters of the names in contacts. Then i can select exact name without scrolling through all of the contacts in between A and f.e. G.
Unfortunately i don't know what is the cause of starting this feature, people at HTC support don't know nothing about it, and told me that it must be some kind of software glitch however I find it very useful, maybe someone else got the same thing? And someone does know how can it be turned on that it happens every time i want to find a contact? that would really be operating with one hand then
thanks in advance for opinions and advices
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It works on all variants of the Tytn, you just go to contacts, press and hold down on the d pad and in a couple of seconds the 'pop up window' appears with a large letter, it just makes it easier to scroll through the contacts without having to get the stylus out.

Thanks guys !!
That's the 'pop-up' that I meant. Pressing and holding d-pad works. However I occasionaly get it when using jog-dial. In my opinion that would be even better for operating TyTN with one hand. Any clues on this one?

auto contact recognition in dialer

One thing I miss from my windows phone was the ability to open the dialer and start typing a contacts name using the dialer keypad and having it auto sort for the contact. are there any apps that add this feature?
I want to just hit the phone button then start typing the contact on the keypad and have it bring them up rather than going to contacts, then searching then choosing the contact, then choosing to call them,..

When you open contacts, you can hold the menu key down for a couple seconds, which brings up the keyboard. Then you can start typing a contacts name, and it starts narrowing down the list.

That's a start thanks. I am only two day into android and have many tricks to learn. Would still love to see it work in the dialer as well though.

zjchaser said:
That's a start thanks. I am only two day into android and have many tricks to learn. Would still love to see it work in the dialer as well though.
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What you're hoping for only works in SenseUI. Being new to Android, you just need to remember that different OS' do things differently. You'll get used to it soon, and it'll become second nature for you.

That was a bummer for me too, so I've opened a thread yesterday on this ... the best solution I found was using aContacts from marketplace.. it's very good and configurable.
It wont work keeping the menu pressed for showing the keyboard and looking for a contact in the Dialer screen. @uansari1, have you tried that? or are you speaking just by "knowledge" ?

uansari1 said:
When you open contacts, you can hold the menu key down for a couple seconds, which brings up the keyboard. Then you can start typing a contacts name, and it starts narrowing down the list.
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You can actually use a similar trick, in any app, including right on the home screen. Just press the search key, and start typing the contacts name. No need to open Contacts first.
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Would still love to see it work in the dialer as well though.
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Why do you need it to work in the dialer? What's the difference?

alithenake said:
That was a bummer for me too, so I've opened a thread yesterday on this ... the best solution I found was using aContacts from marketplace.. it's very good and configurable.
It wont work keeping the menu pressed for showing the keyboard and looking for a contact in the Dialer screen. @uansari1, have you tried that? or are you speaking just by "knowledge" ?
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I have only tried using the keyboard in the Contacts screen, not the Dialer screen. I have my most frequently called contacts set as favorites, and calling non-favorites from time to time isn't a big deal for me.

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I have only tried using the keyboard in the Contacts screen, not the Dialer screen. I have my most frequently called contacts set as favorites, and calling non-favorites from time to time isn't a big deal for me.
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Holding menu won't work, but pressing search will (on the dialer screen)

SpyderMS said:
Holding menu won't work, but pressing search will (on the dialer screen)
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Ok... all I said was holding menu will work in CONTACTS. I don't use the dialer screen unless I'm calling a number that's not in my Contacts.

zjchaser said:
I want to just hit the phone button then start typing the contact on the keypad and have it bring them up rather than going to contacts, then searching then choosing the contact, then choosing to call them,..
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You can try aContacts (free) from the market. It has this T9 dialpad that search the contacts and you can set it up to open this T9 when open the app. You can also customize the T9 a lot, check the settings in aContacts.

SpyderMS said:
You can actually use a similar trick, in any app, including right on the home screen. Just press the search key, and start typing the contacts name. No need to open Contacts first.
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+1 This is a great feature, I can dial from any home screen (essentially)

Alternatively.
Long click on the search even on the home screen and it starts voice recognition.
Just say your contacts name or something like "Directions to Castle Street"
God this phone never ceases to amaze..

ok a couple things. I tried out acontacts, cool idea but it doesn't work with exchange contacts so it it doesn't do anything for me, hopefully later it will handle all phone contacts.
holding menu to bring up the keypad in contacts works well but its annoying that it doesn't clear the text input after you select the person because the next time you go into contacts you then have to bring up the keyboard and delete the text you typed in.