Hey
I've always had trouble getting IE to load any webpage when direct push is enabled...
It keeps saying "Locating..." and does nothing. Eventually, the only way to get it working is by going to comm manager and disabling directpush, disconnecting gprs & reconnecting it.
Is it just me, or does everyone go thru this ordeal when you need to browse a couple websites?
I also have trouble when I try to browse over wifi. My guess is that IE is confused if it has to use gprs or wifi for communication...
San
I'm using a cingular 8125, with the ak2 rom.... i have no problem browsing with direct push and gprs on.... but the phone does freak out a bit if wifi is on as well. if I'm going to use wifi I just turn off direct push and browse.
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Hello there folks,
After much reconfiguring of our exchange server, i have push email working!
However, i have found that occasionally when WiFi is on, the phone will still sometimes try to establish a GPRS data connection.
Does anyone know of a way to stop it doing this? I would prefer WiFi to be the prefered data path.
Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks In Advance
G
push mail doesn't work over wifi. You need to keep the GPRS connected for this. You can still activesync over Wifi, but push mail is depending on a cellular network.
ahhhhhhhh, of course.
what an idiot i am..... thank you
That doesn't make sense to me. Push should work better over WiFi.
Although I don't know for sure, I wonder if the fact your GPRS IP address and WiFi one will necessarily be different makes the Wizard hop back onto GPRS if that's where the push session was established.
If you cancel push, then establish WiFi and then re-establish push, does it still try jump to GPRS?
Out of interest, what tweaking did you have to do to the server? Our IS guys applied the service pack, and for a brief period, I tested push and it worked, now it seems to have stopped working. I can establish the session, but nothing gets "pushed". If I log in to Outlook, OWA and push, I can see my test messages land on the first two, but nothing on the Wizard until I manually sync it...
Regards,
Dox
I'm not bothered by the fact that DP tried to re-establish my GPRS connection as much as the 8125 locking up whenever I enable WiFi while already in Direct Push mode. If I can figure out why that happens and stop it I can stop messing with my Wizard and actually enjoy it more.
M$ says that they can't support direct push over WiFi because the device turns off WiFi when in powersave mode which disables direct push.
I thought that was a lame reason and told them that at MEDC. We should be allowed to make that decision and direct push should adapt to whatever network connection we're using IMO.
This is not an issue of whether Direct Push should work over WiFi, this is an issue of not being able to use the device at all when WiFi is enabled while Direct Push is enabled.
If Direct Push wants to use a GPRS connection, fine, I don't mind. But I should be able to enable WiFi as well with no consequences, and Direct Push can still use the GPRS connection while the WiFi radio is on.
I have successfully tested this and it works. I was able to send my device an e-mail and have it notify me while WiFi is on, and when I browse the internet it uses the WiFi connection, not the GPRS one. But after a while of having both connections enabled, through some kind of bug or glitch the device will slow down till it eventually comes to a screeching halt.
There is no way that this is like this by design. If you can't enable WiFi with Direct Push enabled, then the system should force you to disable Direct Push before enabling WiFi or vice versa. But I believe it's a bug because even the WiFi icon has the ActiveSync animated connection when both connections are enabled, which leads me to believe that Microsoft had anticipated a WiFi connection being active while Direct Push is doing its business over GPRS.
Now, if you could please give all of that to MS, and maybe get some kind of reply I would be forever in your debt!
If you're getting lockups with WiFi/DirectPush then take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50223
OK, this 8125 is pissing me off. I want to use Wifi *exclusively* for web access. I don't want this thing to *ever* connect via GPRS, but I have no idea how to set it that way. I've searched but don't find anything along these lines, is there an easy way to do this?
Thanks!
Jason
well i have mine set that way "i think"
also i believe, someone else can chime in, as long as WIFI is turned on via the comm manager, its gonna overrule any other connection type like gprs or edge.
then what i did was go to to settings>connections>connections and make sure the first one selected is My ISP. then under your Wireless Lan connections settings, under the Power Mode tab, set that to best performance.
after that all I ever see up top is the WiFi icon. and if im not in a hotspot, E is there, but if i press explorer it just takes me to the media net page to login, so no data gets used anyway.
Dont know about 8125, but on my T-mobile MDA, I went to
settings->connections->connections.
There I deleted the configuration which had GPRS. Now my device tries to find wifi network or gives up.
Deleting the GPRS settings seems a bit drastic. Is there no way to say have separate "profiles". That way you could have a wifi only mode, and then when absolutlely necessary you could still use GPRS. I would be very interested in a solution like that, bit more flexible I think.
yes, wifi does take the default connection.. it will only try to use edge if there is no wifi connection present.
Or you can use the Registry Wizard and on page 4 select GPRS off...
My problems with my WiFi on the Wing (Very FRUSTRATED )!
1. When the screen turns off, the Wifi turns off. Meaning I cant use this as my email machine like a blackberry. I have to turn the screen on to get the wifi back on.
2. The Wifi it keeps "forgetting" the WEP key even though I programmed it. It happens once a week (approx)
3. The wifi keep suggesting that I can connect to all these weird SSID's around me when I have my own router set up in the phone. Just connect to mine and stop asking. At work, At Home, At my friends house, At the cafe down the street. If you dont find these, dont ask. if you do, just connect, stop asking. Stop not connecting.
4. The wifi keeps asking if I want to hook up to LOCKED SSID's. Hey, they are locked, if I knew the wep key I would try to connect manually. Stop asking! Is there a patch that allows the phone to suggest connecting to the OPEN wireless networks after it actually makes sure there is actual internet access in there?
5. How do I tell the phone: NEVER TRIES TO CONNECT TO THE EDGE OR GPRS for data. I DONT HAVE THE SERVICE. The wifi keeps turning off and the phone TRIES to get on T-Mobile GPRS or Edge all the time. I even deleted T-Mobile from my internet connections (I dont have internet access on my t-mobile account as it was extremely slow and I have Wifi everywhere I go, except when I am driving)
After months of use, I still have not been able to use my Wifi. In fact the Wifi does not connect to my router anymore, not even once. I gave up and I am paying for the $5.99 service now.
Sounds like you need to take a look around these forums... All your issues have been posted over the net and how to fix or actually "customize" them are everywhere. You may want to read the manual too since that tells you alot of stuff also.
Reading is Essential!!
The easiest thing to do is start over: reset your router (you might check out your setting on your router as well to make sure your encryption is the same and you haven't been hyjacked.
The messages of secure sites is normal: keep dismissing and it will get it. The ones you normally setup on will automatically log on.
As far as the losing the encryption, thats new: the only way I know to lose it is to reset it, or the phone crashes!!
My suggestion is to READ the manual on WIFI settings. read, try read & try.
it only took me 2 weeks to set everything up, and I never had these many issues.
Have fun. Peace
brooklynite said:
My problems with my WiFi on the Wing (Very FRUSTRATED )!
1. When the screen turns off, the Wifi turns off. Meaning I cant use this as my email machine like a blackberry. I have to turn the screen on to get the wifi back on.
2. The Wifi it keeps "forgetting" the WEP key even though I programmed it. It happens once a week (approx)
3. The wifi keep suggesting that I can connect to all these weird SSID's around me when I have my own router set up in the phone. Just connect to mine and stop asking. At work, At Home, At my friends house, At the cafe down the street. If you dont find these, dont ask. if you do, just connect, stop asking. Stop not connecting.
4. The wifi keeps asking if I want to hook up to LOCKED SSID's. Hey, they are locked, if I knew the wep key I would try to connect manually. Stop asking! Is there a patch that allows the phone to suggest connecting to the OPEN wireless networks after it actually makes sure there is actual internet access in there?
5. How do I tell the phone: NEVER TRIES TO CONNECT TO THE EDGE OR GPRS for data. I DONT HAVE THE SERVICE. The wifi keeps turning off and the phone TRIES to get on T-Mobile GPRS or Edge all the time. I even deleted T-Mobile from my internet connections (I dont have internet access on my t-mobile account as it was extremely slow and I have Wifi everywhere I go, except when I am driving)
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When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?
Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?
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I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.
Hi guys,
I use 3 different wifi networks during the course of a day, well 2 a day, 3 through out the week probably. Home/Work/Friends house
I have a very small data package (5mb) so i am very choosy about when I use my data connection!
Anyways, did some testing.
I already know that if I have no wifi, no data connection on, then I try and start outlook or Internet Explorer, then my data connection starts up (as it should)
now if i have my data connection on, then i turn on wifi on the phone, the wifi connection takes over and the data connection is not being used, even though it's on.
I also have no problems with when wifi is on and data is off, and if i goto outlook or IE, that gprs decides to go on. this does not happen tome (unless for some strange reason wifi cuts out, gprs tries to take over)
So i dont know if its something with your settings or not, maybe your phone goes to sleep and wifi turns off then gprs takes over, or i could be misunderstanding your question, because now that I think about it, perhaps you are asking something like..
- at home no wifi or data connection is active at that moment
- you navigate to a page in IE and instead of gprs turning on, wifi turns on/scans for lan and uses that
Yeah, that's probably waht you are asking.. haha yahoo for long winded useless post
If you figure it out, i want to know! lol
Iain.m said:
I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.
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You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/
briggs81 said:
You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/
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Great little utility , thanks very much for pointing that out - it at least allows me to do what I want manually - i.e. use my wifi without having to turn the phone off.
Although I know you can disconnect GPRS from the Comm manager, it also doesn't seem to have an idle time out so once an application (like Emoze) has started it up it keeps running in the background. Also, as soon as you turn it off, inevitably Emoze turns it straight back on! The NoData application gives much more control so thanks for that.
I do go abroad reasonably often so also happy to be able to use it for its primary purpose of disabling GPRS whilst roaming to avoid silly charges
It would be great if HTC could build a bit more intelligence and control into the network side of these things though.
I.
You may want to look into Schaps Advanced Config or KaiserTweak for wifi/gprs settings.
You can set timers and disconnects, etc, with those applications.
Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
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The Good News: I fixed this behavior on the phone w/o any 3rd-party utilities, etc.
The Bad News: I'm not 100% sure how. :-/ My apologies. Here is what I think did it:
Make sure your browser is closed and you have no open data connections.
1- Open the Wireless Manager and make sure "WLAN" is on and "Data Connection" is off.
2- Go to Start>Settings and choose the "Connections" tab along the bottom.
3- Open "Wireless LAN," choose your home wireless network, and make sure you're actively connected to it (should see a signal quality meter, device network settings, etc).
4- Close "Wireless LAN" and while "Settings" is still open and on the "Connections" tab, open "Wi-Fi." Your list of known Wi-Fi networks should be showing: make sure your home network says "connected."
5- Close everything back out to your "Today" screen.
When my Tilt is set this way -- and actively connected to my WLAN -- the Wireless Manager grays out "Data Connections" and doesn't even respond if I tap the icon. IE automatically uses my WLAN, although it won't connect to some of its pre-loaded favs b/c, I think, they're on WAP servers and the Wi-Fi/NAT router assigns/negotiates TCP/IP protocols for your phone.
I think now I accomplish all the above by simply opening the keyboard and pressing the FN/Wi-Fi key.
FYI -- In truth, I solved this problem by installing Opera Mobile and setting it as my default browser. Opera Mobile is a full browser, i.e. doesn't use WAP.
Hope this helps. If not, sorry for this 5 minutes of your life you'll never get back. :-/
gT
Hi all,
I have been using gprs on my touch since I bought it around 5 months ago.
Lately I am getting an error of Web Page not found using Internet Explorer.
Only if I restart the phone or re-run the gprs settings it connects properly. Sometimes it doesn't connect after doing the above steps also, so I have to just refrain from using it for a couple of hours.
I do not keep the gprs conn On continuously. I judiciously turn it off after my browsing is over.
Can anyone help me with this?
hi, try and use skyfire is freeware and better web browser
You might want to get in touch with your carrier and have them set up your gprs connection again. Perhaps something on their end is causing it.
Alternatively, as a suggestion....use opera....its a lot more stable. Check to see if your connection behaves the same way there too.