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emoze.com offering free push email...any tried this yet?

www.emoze.com has just come up with a push email feature for mobiles and pdas.
i just wanted to know if anyone has tried out the service and how is it?
i don't have an outlook exchange server so i can't really set up direct push on my 8125.

I just checked and Emoze does not support the Qtek 9100 yet

try selecting the Tmo MDA.. same thing.. i'm downloading the program now to see if it works..

ok, stay away from it for now, it is in beta, but here's what happened to me..
1. it replicated my contacts about 40 times.. i had to go thru and delete duplicates... ugh..
2. Program on the PC desktop crashes randomly, it crashed 4 times in a 30 minute period..
3. kinda flaky performance.. it works as in the push email function, it notifies you, but then it took 3-4 trys on the PPC to get out of the notification/program and see the actual email in outlook..
give it time and if they perfect it a little, this will be very cool to have..

g0nk said:
ok, stay away from it for now, it is in beta, but here's what happened to me..
1. it replicated my contacts about 40 times.. i had to go thru and delete duplicates... ugh..
2. Program on the PC desktop crashes randomly, it crashed 4 times in a 30 minute period..
3. kinda flaky performance.. it works as in the push email function, it notifies you, but then it took 3-4 trys on the PPC to get out of the notification/program and see the actual email in outlook..
give it time and if they perfect it a little, this will be very cool to have..
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Cool, thanks for the input. Hopefully they'll fix the bugs soon so we can use it.

replicated my contacts also, it states that you cannot have activesync running while this program is running, which is kinda ridiculous...another thing is, it runs OFF of your computer, uses your OUTLOOK, nothing on their end, its just a piece of software...in other words, if your computer is off, no email....useless if you ask me

Ya know, it's a shame the T-Mobile's SMS-based notification feature isn't a bit better tuned. It really works well - just takes to long to notify your phone of a new event.
For anyone who hasn't tried it. When you go to the T-Mobile website, you can put in the info for one or more of your non-T-Mobile email services. You can use POP3 or IMAP4 servers along with your SMTP server, and you specify your email login and password.
After that, you can click on the feature in your MDA that retrieves specs for your email account from T-Mobile's servers, and pocket Outlook will set up an appropriate additional account for you in the MDA. With this all set up, you can, in addition to your normal way of checking your email, check your email account via the T-Mobile website or via your MDA simply by doing a Send/Receive on the MDA in the Messaging app.
The neat part that T-Mobile hasn't quite implemented 100% is that you can have their server monitor your email account for new incoming messages, and in turn send a "silent SMS" to your MDA to let it know when new email has arrived. Then your MDA automatically kicks off a Send/Receive, fetches whatever email is waiting on the server and notifies you.
This works quite well. The ONLY problem is that that it may take way too long for you to be notified that something new is on the server. This could be due to one (or both) of two possibilities:
1) T-Mobile's back-end servers may not be monitoring and checking your email server frequently enough. If it checks for new email every minute, that's great - but if it waits 30 minutes between checks, that's about the best you can hope for when waiting for your MDA to be notified about new incoming mail.
2) Even if T-Mobile's back-end servers "know" that your email provider's servers have new mail for you once a minute, that only helps if the "daemon" (or whatever process they use) sends the "silent SMS" to you immediately. If the "silent SMS" is queued up, and the process to send them out is delayed, or possibly scheduled to happen once every 30 minutes, we have yet another way in which it takes too long for your phone to be notified that new email has arrived.
Whichever delay is causing this, it would be fantastic if T-Mobile could fix it. If they did, this would, functionally, serve the purpose of push email for many of us -- especially for those of us who have unlimited messaging as part of our plan with T-Mobile.

despite the bugs, it worked great, and i'm gonna keep an eye on their progress..
This is basically the program i've been looking for. Something that I can load on my own PC (since it's on 24/7) and have it sync my inboxes on my 8125.. it was nearly instantaneous when it worked on my system..
a note to people that want to try this though...
1. BACKUP YOUR CONTACTS!!!!
2. Make sure ActiveSync is set to not sync anything, and turned off.
3. Then run the program..
I wish it was more stable, and i'd use it all the time, but until then, im sticking with POP updating every 2 minutes..

I can't get it to work on my PC in my office. My company uses a proxy server and the desktop app can't connect to the internet. Any suggestions?

not really sure.. but keep an eye on this thread from their forums, the emoze team might respond with an answer..
http://forum.emoze.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=44

I have trying mail2web.com it uses push for activesync for free.
working very well.

mail2web isn't true push, its pull...

PiTT said:
mail2web isn't true push, its pull...
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I think they started push service in their "live.web2mail" bbeta but I could be mistaken as I have not tried it. Even if it free it wont be for long as MS has pretty expensive licensing fees per user to use exchange server. I think they have 6 months where they can claim 0 users. The emoze you need your home pc on all the time. For me it would be ok cuz i always keep my pc turned on but for a lot of people i dont think they do that.

Any news on this? Is it working yet? I keep my computer on all the time and was looking at running Exchange Server from it to get Push Email, but maybe I'm better off waiting for this?

I've been using a mail3web live account for a couple of weeks and it works very well. I just had to set up mail forawrding from my own ISP. I'm pretty sure it's not push email but it works fine through active sync on the PPC as long as I remember not to kill the application. You can set it to synch with the sever as often as you like and as I'm a bit worried about getting a large bill and I'm not too wooried about getting everything instantaniously I've set mine to synch with the server every two hours. If I want to check more frequently I just hit send/receive.
Dave

Whoops - no I haven't discovered a new one! The above should read mail2web live account!
Dave

I've been using mail2web for a few days... its cool.... and push email too, but that needs a few tweaks before it works properly

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I've been using mail2web for a few days... its cool.... and push email too, but that needs a few tweaks before it works properly
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ok, so can you please tell us more...any link for the tweak? thanx...

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jamichy said:
I've been using mail2web for a few days... its cool.... and push email too, but that needs a few tweaks before it works properly
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ok, so can you please tell us more...any link for the tweak? thanx...
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There's no tweak. mail2web just upgraded to Exchange SP2, so if you've got a ROM in your wizard that supports push (I'm using the 2.17 custom on my TMO MDA), sign up for a free mail2web account, forward your email there from other accounts, and follow the diretions to set it up on your Wizard, and you will get true push email now.
The only problem I have is that I forward my gmail to my mail2web, and once or twice/day I notice I'm not getting e-mail, sign in to my gmail account and under the forward it says gmail is having trouble forwarding to that account. I push try again, and it starts sending my email again for maybe a day. I think mail2web is either having a problem receiving so much mail (there's been a big buzz about it on xda and howard last few weeks), or else it might be a problem with their spam filters...
MC

thanx for ur reply...that's exactly what i did and got a gmail account too and everything's ok here...all my mails are directed to my mail2web account ( actually live.mail2web.com account)
But can not succeed in push to mail...my rom is the "test only" one I think it's the one before the official 2.17....Any chance to get it work though?
Many thanx...

Gmail (IMAP) push for Pocket Outlook !Updated Ver 0.6.0

All,
I've let the first release of Imap Pusher Service out of the bag. It's still pretty rough, but if you configure it right, it works well enough that you may get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
The program runs in the background and subscribes to IMAP IDLE notifications. When the notifications arrive it can do a send/receive on the PocketOutlook account you specify, effectively enabling push email for your Gmail account (or other imap server that supports the IDLE command).
Again, there are some known issues with the current version (I will hopefully address these soon), but I would like to know what you think. Here's the link.
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
Update: version 0.2.0 is released
Changes: more descriptive error messages, ability to turn on trace log to help me diagnose problems.
If you are having issues you would like to resolve, capture the trace log and send it to me.
Update: version 0.2.1 is released
Changes: found bug which was causing client to not be able to reconnect in some cirumstances, should be resolved.
Update: version 0.2.2 is released
Changes: fixed problem where IDLE command was not getting refreshed when IMAP server was being to chatty.
Update: version 0.2.3 is released
Changes: fixed problem where if IMAP server says that it has a server error this was ignored.
Update: version 0.5.0 is released
Changes: program will atttempt to connect data connection if not connected.
some resource leaks have been fixed, will hopefully prevent the hanging.
Update: version 0.6.0 is released
Changes: program allows you to save your settings, and will not prompt you next time you start it. To get the prompt again, currently you need to delete the settings file. Note that storing your settings stores your encrypted password on your device, and since this is an open source program, anyone can lookup how I do the encryption, so only use this option if you are comfortable, and change your email password if you lose your device!

Great
Great idea but... I can't manage to get it work.
I previously had a Gmail POP3 account which i setup to get mails manually.
Then I ran IMAPPusherservice, filled up parameters, OK... and then still waiting for emails...
What am I doing wrong ?
Thanks
Greg

gregouille said:
Great idea but... I can't manage to get it work.
I previously had a Gmail POP3 account which i setup to get mails manually.
Then I ran IMAPPusherservice, filled up parameters, OK... and then still waiting for emails...
What am I doing wrong ?
Thanks
Greg
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Maybe (hopefully) a simple solution, did you enable imap in your account settings in gmail?

It works great with my GMX account, well done!
But it uses 30% CPU if there is no data connection active, nor does Pocket Outlook play a sound when it receives the email...

works great!
Works great even with google apps gmail. Thanks

I'd like to mention once again the full service of Mail2Web. I'm very happy with it.
For those who don't know: they're offering Free Exchange-Accounts there.
This means you can sync your contacts, todo's, calendar and your e-mail with it. The Microsoft DirectPush is screaming fast!
But another solution i'm taking a deeper look into, is Z-Push. It's an opensource implementation of the ActiveSync protocoll. Which basically means you'd be able to have the same functionality as with an Exchange-Server.
It runs out of the box with a php-enabled webspace (need the right to set aliases via .htaccess). Had to figure it out myself, but the guys in the fora are kind. Another advantage of this solution (beside it is OpenSource and you can extend it yourself) is the possibility to plug it onto various groupware solution.
BTW: Push-GMail is the most popular example in the forum there.
Sry for my english..
Greetz

i have problems with .net framework.
which one do i need?

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i have problems with .net framework.
which one do i need?
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I use .net framework 3.5

yeah, this release is quite a rough cut. its not very graceful if you enter your password incorrectly (double chck this if its not getting new mail). Or if you don't have the data connection runing already. for now it would be best to tell your data conection to sty on. I'm on a kaiser and I can easily use kaiser tweaks to do this. ad it was the default mode for my ppc6700 with sprint.
the reason why i'm bothering with this rather mail2web is that with mail2web you are entrusting your mail with yet another party, when google now supports everything you need for push obo.
anyway, if you configure this guy appropriately, even this early release should work for you. but if you are having trouble I hope to have a release out soon that wil identify your problems with ease. it just neds to contend with all the work I get paid to do ;-)

At the moment it requires .NET CF 3.5. This isn't strictly necessary from a functionality standpoint at the moment though, so I may try and downgrade it, if thats a problem.

client seems to disconnect, and not reconnect, after a while (mine was connected for a good 36 hours, this last time). I will have to track this down when I release a version with more tracing information (hopefully tonight).

this would be a great application to have once it starts working properly.
right now i use this other app whcih is a sms switch. you forward gmail to your sms address. when your phone gets the incoming sms for new mail, it automatically opens up poutlock and send/receives and gets you the new mail. this works great because you dont need to always be connected. it only connects when you get new mail. only problem is it uses SMS so if you dont have a unlimited text plan it's gonna really hurt you.
if you can develop this program it would be a great alternative. it would be even better if you dont always have to be connected as to save battery power.

The reason why I have released this is that it works pretty darn well now. With a glitch or two. IMAP IDLE, like ActiveSynch Direct Push require an open data connection though, because of the way that they work. The key is that they don't have to be broadcasting all the time, though. This works pretty well battery wise for most modern phones.
Any other form of notification would have to come through the data interaction your phone makes with the cell towers (like SMS), so you would probably have to pay for it (like SMS).
I've noticed that the new iPhone SDK has some allowance for notification routing, but I would assume this relies on keeping a data connection open.

version .2 is released, check first post for details.

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At the moment it requires .NET CF 3.5. This isn't strictly necessary from a functionality standpoint at the moment though, so I may try and downgrade it, if thats a problem.
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I've been looking for something like this for quite some time now. I'll give the current version a try. Being that most devices come with .NET CF, it would be nice if it wasn't dependent on 3.5.

version .21 is released, should be more stable, see first post or project page for details.

version 0.22 is released, check first post for details.

i have subscribed and keepin my eye out on each release. version .21 worked on and off. it didnt retrieve mail as fast as it should and sometimes it didnt retrieve at all. will try new version soon. thanks for developing it.
do you need to have your inbox running on the ppc for this to work or will it automatically open the inbox? just wondering if i should keep the inbox open in the background at all times as well. i tried it with the box open and close and it didnt work that time so it may be a glitch since it works sometimes when the box was open. but when i tried again with it open and close it didnt work so hard to tell.

I'm now test the lastest version.. I would really like the following features:
- save settings in .ini file
- auto start service if windows mobile starts
- Auto dial if no internet connection is present

This is great, it's working really well. I second the above post about saving the settings and auto-starting, but I'm guessing that's something you're planning on adding anyway?
I used to have Outlook check my Gmail account over IMAP every ten minutes and drop the data connection after two minutes of inactivity. I'm not sure what kind of effect leaving the data connection permanently on will have on my battery, but I'm certainly willing to give it a go for a day or two to see. Emails sent to myself as a test are coming through in well under thirty seconds from sending, and that's over a slow GPRS connection.
The area I live in doesn't have the best reception though, being virtually out in the sticks and all. I've not left the house since installing this, but what can I expect if I temporarily have no signal and the data connection drops? Will I start getting "Cannot connect" type error messages?
Thanks for your hard work, I'll be keeping a close eye on this one.

Push Mail (GRPS/UMTS)/ WM 6.1 / Exchange Problem

Hey guys,
I've searched the web and this forum but wasn't able to find an answer to my question.
I own a jade since 10 month and since 2 weeks I have a data flaterate due to my job. Since then I'm using push mail to sync my phone with our Exchange Server (push elemets if they arrive).
However, it's not working well and I'm not sure if it's a wm6.1 or jade problem.
- Sometimes my phone does not receive Emails, even if push mail is actived. I think sometimes it tells me that it is connected to the server and does not deliver emails anyway.
- The connection to the server inactive for a very long time, i. e., sometimes for hours! I only receive new mails after a reboot. This really sucks 'cause I need some mails quite quick and I don't want to sync manually all the time.
- My phone crashs, i. e., I see the green light flashing but the display is staying black or it is frozen.
- When turning on WiFi additionally, it's even worse. My jade turned off for 3x times last week at one day.
Has anyone the same problems? Is there anything I can do about it? Updates for wm 6.1, does wm 6.5 solve the problem? Or is it the jade hw?
Btw, at my company blackberry is not supported, so I need a solution working with exchange. so this is not an option. ...there doesn't seem to be many people outside using the jade like I do.
Cheers,
Ratsche

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Btw, at my company blackberry is not supported, so I need a solution working with exchange. so this is not an option. ...there doesn't seem to be many people outside using the jade like I do.
Cheers,
Ratsche
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This is a problem because most people use blackberry in your situation.
I also have no experiences with push-mail and so I can not help you, sorry.

One solution might be to use a web-based email client that allows your email to be viewed via the web. Some corporate and government servers allow users to get their email that way. Basically, you would login to the appropriate server and see your email just like you would at Yahoo, Google or Hotmail. It becomes a question of whether your IT department wants to support a web service like this.
BTW, I know that with Yahoo Mail, it can be "forced" to a push/pull type service. You have to google how it's done and set up some things on your computer and Yahoo.

Another possibility may be to forward your business mails automatically to such an web-based service.

I was thinking about forwarding email as well. But I like to receive mails automatically and to get a notification.
But I'm still ****ed up about the push-mail solution. Can't believe that it is not working properly. I mean I can live with it, but is sucks...
Thanks for your answers anyway!

I thinks it's very much dependant on the Exchange Server (at source) and connection band status as opposed to Jade's capability. My experience is the same. I do not rely much on direct push, but more on ActiveSync by scheduling (Menu - Schedule) more frequent, e.g. every 20 - 30 minutes or so.

it is working on mine....
Hi!
My Jade running on 6.1 is synching fine with the companies exchange. No problems at all.
When the synchronissation is not working, is the internet connection ok? (can you open any webpage?)
Regards and good luck,
Stefan

I have no idea about the Exchange configuration, have to ask our IT guys about it. I'm usting using the outlook-web-access adress to connect with my jade.
I just don't understand why the connection is sometimes interrupted for hours and sometimes only for a few minutes.
Has anyone experince with wm6.5? Is it better for push-mail?

I have a similar problem. I have this phone too due my job, htc brand its more like a work-phone. I can recieve hotmail and outlook emails without problems. but can't refresh and sync my contacts!!! It sucks! Because I constantly get new contacts, but exchange server doesn't work! how is it possible?
I mean, its not a phone for kids or gamers, its made for a reason, and that reason seems not to work! can sobody help me out?

XxAndrexX said:
I have a similar problem. I have this phone too due my job, htc brand its more like a work-phone. I can recieve hotmail and outlook emails without problems. but can't refresh and sync my contacts!!! It sucks! Because I constantly get new contacts, but exchange server doesn't work! how is it possible?
I mean, its not a phone for kids or gamers, its made for a reason, and that reason seems not to work! can sobody help me out?
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I have no problem synchronizing my emails and contacts either way, phone to server or server to phone. Logically if you can receive outlook email, synchronizing should not be a problem.

I can confirm that the Jade 3G (WM6.1 & 6.5) works a treat with exchange 2003. Besides, configuring the Jade for exchange push/pull is absolutely no different from any other phone running 6.1 & above.
From what you've said, it sounds more like you phone has a fault on it. I can't remember the last time my phone crashed and it's running a cooked 6.5 rom.

i've been wanting to get that to work with my UniSA (University of South Australia) email. But doesn't seem to work, if anyone can help me would be a great help.

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i've been wanting to get that to work with my UniSA (University of South Australia) email. But doesn't seem to work, if anyone can help me would be a great help.
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You need to be sure of the UniSA server name (usually webmail.xxx.com.au). And you need to get the certificate (filename.cer) in order synchronise.

xtremez said:
i've been wanting to get that to work with my UniSA (University of South Australia) email. But doesn't seem to work, if anyone can help me would be a great help.
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You'll have to get your IT dept to assist in setting it up. There's more to it than just configuring your actuall phone.

Similar Prob
Hi
I have a similar issue but not with Outlook\Exchange. I have setup with gmail for IMAP and pull every 5 minutes using 3g operator connection. My problem is, which I guess is where issue is similar, when my phone in sleep mode I can wait anything from 30 minutes to 2 hours for the pull process to kick in and download mail (notification alert tells me). Now, if I turn phone on within that time, bingo, sync's and pulls. So seems the process isnt working as should when in sleep mode.
Any idea's or is this the norm? Again, I been thinking about flashing to 6.5 cooked ROM just to test. I know my mate has a Palm with Windows 6.1 and he has no trouble so seems Jade build issue.
Opinions welcome!

I have exchange working well syncing contacts, mail, notes etc and it pushes as soon as I get a maiil (infact faster than my pc when i am infront of my desk) and use the JADE for my company emails. I had the stock rom and now 6.5 and both work without an issue. It sounds to me like you have some software issue or conflict in your device that is causing it to crash. I would hard reset and perhaps install a stock rom to make sure its clean. Have you got your server address as owa.something.com. If you set up exchange its not an IMAP or POP service so you should not see that option.

really struggling with activesynch problems

I am having real problems with my push gmail account.
I suspect I may have part of the answer but not all.
I am finding that sometimes emails are just not coming through as new emails.
In some cases when I send/receive or so an activesync it will even "see" that there are 1-3 email (ie it counts 0/3 etc) but will not bring them to the inbox.
I think that one way it gets confused is if, say, I have had a new email which it decided not to d/l and then I read it on the computer but I then get more emails from the same person replying about the same topic
Even if I get other new emails it just will not d/l any new ones until I have deleted the semi-unread/semi-new ones from the inbox - as you can imagine this would be a real issue if they are ones I need to keep!
Another possible culprit I wondered was if the account was signed into at the time by Gmail Mansger in FireFox.
I tried sending one having disconnected GMM and it sent through a new one [admittedly I had deleted the prior non-fetched test ones by this stage.
It is driving me batty.
Anyone able to shed any light please?

I have played a fair bit.
If there is an email in my gmail account newer than on my phone but that I have read online that seems to screw up the downloading. It seems to see how many there are are I don't know where it puts them.
If I delete all these and then try to send one sometimes it works fine, other times I have to manually sync to get one and I can't find a pattern at all

[Q] WANTED: eMail Rules/filters for poutlook

Hey all.
I have tried Flexmail and found it wanting - I think mine had issues, activesync failed to sync to directory and the rules were quite limited. Still waiting for their support teams to sort out several issues with move and stuff. even if they can get it working I can't see it being good enough in it's control.
So we are back to poutlook and it's limited functionality.
Are there any decent programs out there for message filtering. I get 300+ emails per day and over 150 are total rubbish 50 are newsletters and notifications which I file.
and half a dozen orders buried in this lot that I NEED to deal with immediately.
any suggestion please
Cheers
G

Well - I don't know if this will work for you, but I have all my email come through my Yahoo account. On the server side, I have about 60 rules/filters set up. This way, on my inbox on my phone, I already get them filtered. I have been using Yahoo for years and now-a-days I get a spam email in my inbox about twice a year. If you have not set up a web based account yet, I would actually suggest gmail for the push capabilities. But I don't know how their filters or spam protection work.
Just as an aside, I used to use FlexMail and most of the time when I could not get something working, it was my fault. It is a very powerful application. I finally decided it was too powerful for my needs on my cell and switched to ProfiMail. You might want to check out their rules/filters. I don't use the filters on the phone, so I can't help you there, but it is a pleasure to use.