Can I just use one of these "exchange hosting" things? Or do you need both? The idea of push email appeals to me, but installing Server and Exchange or whatever on a PC doesn't.
So can I get push email for a fiver or month or whatever it costs?
Yes, of cuz! Mine is hostet by 1&1 e.g.
Given the amount of data push mail uses (typically 15-20mb per month or higher) you'd probably be just as well setting your email to check for messages at whatever frequency you require.
I don't know if anyone has done some comparisons but if you just download message headers the data load wouldn't be any higher probably, with no need of exchange server. Of course you would not have the remote device reset function, but do you need that?
not necessary. Push mail consume less than a Kb every few minutes.
A single 3G connection consume 3Kb, plus the actual check.
A normal sized box with say 20 messages a day would give 10 Mb a month with push mail.
Push mail is not necessary consuming more, and it can be enabled and disabled at will.
point taken, but he was looking to not use exchange server.
you can try with a live.mail2web.com account. You will get your own idea
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Hi,
This maybe intresting to someone, ive not tryed the 30 trial as i have no use for live email.
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I tried it - managed to work fairly well until I decided I wanted to uninstall it as the goodlink software overrides all of your existing accounts.
Didn't really bother reading a manual on uninstalling it as I just tried to remove it from remove Programs - didn't want to go - reset it to make sure no components were running when I next tried it - it said it had uninstalled it but there were still lots of residual evidence it had been there.
Eventually hard-reset and had to start from scratch again.
Don't get me wrong, I think it would be fantastic - one issue though - you do need to tell them a domain you wish them to receive mail for - didn't see an option to receive mail from an account forwarder.
If you already have a domain, this means transferring your domain record (or possibly just the MX record) to fasthosts.
I pay a monthly sub to 4smartphone.net - the service is excellent. Fully hosted exchange account that'll support "proper" push as soon as the device can be updated to support it.
I was told you cant pay monthly for 4smartphone you have to pay a year upfront
Chris
Thats also what I thought - I had signed up for a trial account and was told it needs a year to continue service.
erm you're right - year up front, but I look at it in terms of what it equates to per month... sorry for misleading
he he - no worries mate.
Have 4smartphone definitely confirmed they'll be supporting the push technology once the devices support it?
Am i confused here with this push email, i set up 4smartphone trial and when an email is received it sends a message to an email address that it has received mail, i set this up so an sms was sent to my phone from that email account when the mail arrived from 4smartphone, this activated my device to contact the server and get the mail, isnt this push email, the only problem was i had to pay for the sms triggers and it was costing a fortune to do it, what we need is the subscription to 4smartphone that sends a text message rather than an email at a reasonable cost
Guys enlighten me please
I thought the very same - O2 charge me 10p per SMS but I couldn't find any clear providers who would do the same for cheaper. Most providers were on about sending SMSes rather than allowing you to receive via their systems.
From what's been said, once the new update comes out with the push technology, the requirement for SMSes goes out the window as this is one of the things the exchange developers wanted to get rid of - reliance on the network provider.
All you need is a network connection of some sort (be it wifi, gprs, cradled) and it should receive the updates.
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he he - no worries mate.
Have 4smartphone definitely confirmed they'll be supporting the push technology once the devices support it?
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I think so, yes. In fact I think they've already upgraded their exchange servers to the correct service pack - so we're just waiting on an operator to bring out a ROM for the Universal which incorporates the Windows Messaging and Security patch for WM5.0
To the others - yes, you can set it up to text you if you receive email etc. Personally I just leave mine to check every 10 mins (which, lets face it, is practically instant "push" anyway!) as on average I receive a new mail less than 5 mins after it is sent. The data overhead is minimal this way and no texts are needed.
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i have tried another email push service for pocket pcs. it is called Pocket X-Press. you can access your pop3 and imap4 mail server and get a realtime push wit out checking from device in an interval.
you can download a trial version for wm 2003 and 2005 under: www.pocketxpress.com
has anybody experience made with this?
you tell us mate, you developed it
Hey,
I recently installed emoze for push email and then i ditched it. I jsut want to know, how does it work exactly? Is it genuinly push email or does it check for emials ever so often?
I"m asking this because i have about $300 of Internet usage (overages) on my account. I mainly used my internet for emails and i can't udnerstnad how i went over.
Also, how does Microsoft push email work? is it possible that was the problem?
I only receive about 10 emails a week anyway. please let me know
Thanks.
Short review about emoze
Hello all,
I'll start by saying that I'm part of emoze team.
emoze is a FREE push email & PIM solution for Pocket PCs, Symbain, Smartphones and other devices.
emoze synchronizes the Outlook's Inbox, Calendar, Contacts and Tasks with full support of attachments. With emoze you have a wide range of configuration possibilities for every folder you choose emoze to synchronize.
Concerning the data package, with emoze as long as data is not being transferred you are not being charged for data. We suggest you review with your providers to understand your data plans.
Furthermore, you can use a sleep mode, which will connect the internet every few minutes. The only data emoze will transfer is the emails and PIM.
If you have anymore questions about emoze please fill free to connect our support: [email protected]
For conclution please remember one thing, emoze is the easiest & most secure push email solution available.
Regards and good day,
Oren.
I suggest you to get an unilimted data plan if you want to get online.
If you decide not to get one, then I recommend you to use SPB GPRS Monitor to keep a eye on your data consumption. Not that your carrier will take that information as valid, but at least you can be alerted when you reach a certain configurable limit.
Cheers!
Rayan
Hello. I tried emoze, and after a few tried it finally worked. I must say, there should be a detailed instruction on how to set it up. I mean from the very beginning.
ALso, while setting it up on my iPhone, there were pop up windows that says "cannot verified" or something. 2-3 times. I didn't know you have to keep on pressing continue. The instruction doesn't say anything about that.
ANyway, I finally got it to work, well sort of.
I can send email from my iPhone, but cannot receive.
Here's what I've done so far.
(1) I donwloaded emoze software.
(2) I have username/pw. I registered it with my gamil email (this is what I want to be pushed to my iPhone)
(3) I setup my GMAIL email account to my MS Outlook 2007.
(4) I clicked EDIT on emoze, and selected INBOX.
(5) When I send/receive email on iPhone, I can see that the icon on emoze changes, meaning it syncs.
(6) I also truend off SSL on iPhone according to other users.
Still can't receive email. Any suggestions?
Thanks.
emozeoren said:
Hello all,
I'll start by saying that I'm part of emoze team.
emoze is a FREE push email & PIM solution for Pocket PCs, Symbain, Smartphones and other devices.
emoze synchronizes the Outlook's Inbox, Calendar, Contacts and Tasks with full support of attachments. With emoze you have a wide range of configuration possibilities for every folder you choose emoze to synchronize.
Concerning the data package, with emoze as long as data is not being transferred you are not being charged for data. We suggest you review with your providers to understand your data plans.
Furthermore, you can use a sleep mode, which will connect the internet every few minutes. The only data emoze will transfer is the emails and PIM.
If you have anymore questions about emoze please fill free to connect our support: [email protected]
For conclution please remember one thing, emoze is the easiest & most secure push email solution available.
Regards and good day,
Oren.
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DirectPush (and similarly Emoze and most other 'Push' e-mail technologies) work by simulating true Push communications.
Because server-initiated communication isn't strictly possible over GPRS, the cell data network, these Push e-mail solutions work by sending requests (called pings) to a server at regular intervals. If no new e-mails are waiting, the server simply acknowledges the ping. Otherwise, it instructs the device to retrieve the new e-mails.
The advantages over pure-pull technology (i.e. setting Outlook to check for e-mails every 15 minutes) lie in the smaller amount of the ping-packets compared with the packets exchanged when checking e-mail over pure Exchange/POP/IMAP. This, in turn, uses less bandwidth, enabling the checks to be done more frequently and in the background without significant use of bandwidth or resources.
Unfortunately, this does create data traffic, costing you money. I wouldn't reccomend having any type of 'always-on' solution, such as these 'push' e-mail simulations, unless you're on an unlimited data plan.
A few true Push e-mail schemes do exist for the HTC Wizard; these utilize cell-network messages (usually SMS-based) to initialize communications on the server-side. These messages are then intercepted in the notification que, instructing your device to check for new e-mails. These do not use data except for when the e-mails themselves are downloaded.
T-Mobile offers one such solution with their 'My E-Mail Triggers', and I believe AT&T/Cingular offers a similar solution.
For more information on DirectPush's simulated push technology, a good article is available on the MSDN here.
Nice to see you here RAYAN
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En poder PDA no contestan...
reed you soon man!
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thank you for this useful clarification !!!!!!
Recently I added direct push service from cingular. What I understand of this "Direct Push" is that it's real time email service using GPRS(for cingular) to connect to the mail server and MS Exchange must be installed at the server. Ok cool.
It works , sort of. But it's not real time! the email comes about couple mins late. Is this normal?
And what do you recommend for an email program? (besides Flexmail, I don't like it)
Thank you
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The service does work, per se. It should come in real-time yes (1-2 seconds). The server load is probably high or your devices keeps disconnecting/reconnecting its data connection. It can be many factors. Why dont you get free push from port88.org? its free and you get your emails within a few seconds. I like it.
Hi
if ur using MS Exchange direct push than the best client for it poutlook..
where ur email, sms, mms & other accounts are in single tree..
with single shortcut button.................
hey guys from Trinity forum!
had started this service out to TYTN users and figured i should spread the news around to some of the other boards. if you guys are looking for push email, please get in touch here's what i posted in the tytn forum:
I'm now offering exchange mailboxes to users (subscription based service). right now i see two, one by austindkelly in the wizard forum (he's disappeared for over a month and looks like he doens't offer his service any more) and one by denial in the kaiser section ($5/month). I thought I'd offer up a similar service starting with the hermes group (cheaper of course) with a few extra tidbits of joy...
- supports iphone exchange services, saves a heck of money over apple's mobileme service!
- outlook web access (with the advanced interface)
- 1gb quota
- both SSL as well as standard port options
- *IMAP access* - you don't even need outlook, syncs flawlessly with your phone.
- *MAPI* outlook access - hook up your outlook on your PC to sync with my service which in turn syncs with your phone. no plugging in ever needed!
- alias included (get your own email)
- changing your password through outlook web access (one-way non-reversible encryption).
I figured it's a bit of an overkill having my own exchange server that's serving a single account (i.e. mine). so why not open it up!
Price is $10 for 3 months, $19 for 6 months.
Please PM me if you're interested... I'll probably set up your account within 12 hours (probably less).
And yes, will give you unused credit money back etc etc if you're unsatisfied for whatever reason. I'm really not in this for the money, it's more to utilize something I spent hours building up, plus to cover the costs of my internet / server hardware.
And, as usual, if you need any files hosted for xda-developers just let me know, i'm already hosting over 40 ROM images and serving 5-6gb/day in ROMs from the wiki!
cheers!
free accounts:
will provide 10 rotating free accounts at any given time for test purposes, will base it off of usage. so if you use the free account, i'll keep it up indefinitely, if not then account will be removed after 14 days and given to the next person in line.
Free accounts do not have MAPI access, have 50mb storage, have no aliases either.
Depending on utilization I may increase this 10 free account limit.
few people are asking about synching from multiple sources...
from my understanding i can only give you one alias for your accounts, which means you can't select your "from." however you're free to forward as many accounts as you wish to the account i create for you, but you can only send from one "alias."
another multi-synching thing people are asking is whether you can sync calendar with your desktop and email with my service. sure!! its best that way in fact - that's what i do. i have my outlook on my desktop which has my calendar, contacts, and only sync my email via push on exchange to my server... you can even take this a step further and set up IMAP access so what you see in your email client is the same as what you'll see in your pocket outlook... if you delete from your desktop, whoosh it disappears from your PDA too
MAPI (i.e. desktop outlook) access is now enabled
still plenty of resources to use up so drop me a line if interested!
Alternative for MS Exchange server for home use
Hi!
I have been searching for preferably free alternative of MS Exchange server. Does anyone know if there is a program that you could just install on your home computer wich anyways is always online? So that I could do my synchronize needs with my home computer myself? I have Vista installed and I use it everyday remotely for my studying purposes, so it would be ideal just to sync the information between my P3600 and home computer throught internet..
Not really the best thread for asking this, as it's totally off topic.
Start a new thread, thanks
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Ok, sorry guys
going to take the server down for about 15-20 minutes this afternoon for a quick reboot and offline backup. planning for 3:00pm GMT. please be patient, hopefully it should be done much much faster!
Quick update regarding update in the server!
I know I've had some VERY avoidable downtimes this past few months. Because this is running on a laptop it has been unplugged from the power / ethernet while its been moved.
however good news! I've just purchased a replacement - a nice server
Specs - dual core AMD 5600+ with 2 gb RAM, 820gb storage (for those attachments ).
i'll do the switchover soon as i get the machine, should hopefully take 10-15 minutes as i just need to image the drive across.
once i get the machine i'll push up the trial accounts to 15 or 20 so if you're interested i'll post here when the migration is done and you can drop me a note
cheers!
I'd be interested in a test account please if you still have any available? Been using gmail IMAP and a variety of pop3 servers for a while but have never tried Exchange.
Is the 500mb quota your email quota?
What does "alias included" mean?
iamwhoiam said:
I'd be interested in a test account please if you still have any available? Been using gmail IMAP and a variety of pop3 servers for a while but have never tried Exchange.
Is the 500mb quota your email quota?
What does "alias included" mean?
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check your inbox for the trial account
the quota is currently 500mb, i'll bump it up to a gig once the new server is set up, although nobody is coming even close to their quota limit.
"alias" means that emails you send will appear to come from the email address of your chosing - i.e. gmail, yahoo, whatever you use...
can someone who has successfully set up outlook 07 with my service PM me with the settings they've used? i need to get some instructions on my site on how to do it, and i don't use exchange 07 myself...
thanks!
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I have a couple qeustions about funambol or other OTA email options.
Do they save on battery power and or RAM compared to using outlook to check an account every 15 min?
Do you need a computer that has an active internet connection in order to use them?
What do you use on the PPC to access the emails? for example poulook or another program?
How do they compare (pros vs cons) to using outlook to check an account every 15 min?
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I have a couple qeustions about funambol or other OTA email options.
Do they save on battery power and or RAM compared to using outlook to check an account every 15 min?
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It depends on how many messages you get, obviously.
If you're the type of person who gets multiple emails within a 15min window, then checking once every 15 min will be less power than a pushed sync by each new message.
If, however, you can go for hours without a new message, you are saving yourself an unnecessary sync, and while keeping a channel open for push alerts will consume some more power during the wait, it WILL save battery compared to an every-15-min sync.
How much battery power is consumed depends on the model. Funambol seems to be better on battery than Exchange/MS push, but MS push works better and faster (so far... funambol is still being developed).
Do you need a computer that has an active internet connection in order to use them?
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Depends.
A computer needs to act as a server to send a notification to the device to sync on a new event.
You don't, however, need to set this up yourself any more than you need to host your own website on your computer.
Basically, yes, you can do it yourself, but if you're asking this question, you're probably better off finding services that will host a server for you, sometimes even for free.
What do you use on the PPC to access the emails? for example poulook or another program?
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Exchange uses Poutlook and Activesync since its built into the system (built in is a plus... no additional software).
Funambol needs a plugin which runs in the background, still syncs to poutlook tho. Why re-invent the wheel when outlook is already there.
How do they compare (pros vs cons) to using outlook to check an account every 15 min?
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There's no con unless you get too many messages that it either a)annoys you or b)sucks your battery dry.
Unless of course you don't want to pay for a hosted server and none of the free ones suit your needs.
If you don't mind an @mail2web.com address being your email sent-from, I'd recommend trying out mail2web's free exchange service. you've got nothing to lose, you can always just stop using it since its free.
Dishe said:
It depends on how many messages you get, obviously.
If you're the type of person who gets multiple emails within a 15min window, then checking once every 15 min will be less power than a pushed sync by each new message.
If, however, you can go for hours without a new message, you are saving yourself an unnecessary sync, and while keeping a channel open for push alerts will consume some more power during the wait, it WILL save battery compared to an every-15-min sync.
How much battery power is consumed depends on the model. Funambol seems to be better on battery than Exchange/MS push, but MS push works better and faster (so far... funambol is still being developed).
Depends.
A computer needs to act as a server to send a notification to the device to sync on a new event.
You don't, however, need to set this up yourself any more than you need to host your own website on your computer.
Basically, yes, you can do it yourself, but if you're asking this question, you're probably better off finding services that will host a server for you, sometimes even for free.
Exchange uses Poutlook and Activesync since its built into the system (built in is a plus... no additional software).
Funambol needs a plugin which runs in the background, still syncs to poutlook tho. Why re-invent the wheel when outlook is already there.
There's no con unless you get too many messages that it either a)annoys you or b)sucks your battery dry.
Unless of course you don't want to pay for a hosted server and none of the free ones suit your needs.
If you don't mind an @mail2web.com address being your email sent-from, I'd recommend trying out mail2web's free exchange service. you've got nothing to lose, you can always just stop using it since its free.
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Thank you for all the great information.