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Sync support for Thunderbird email client (Sunbird Calendar)

We need some motivated talented CE people to help this Thunderbird Sync project take off.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tb-sync/
I know lots of people that refuse to use Outlook for email access. As you may or may not know (most likely know), one of the most popular alternatives seems to be Thunderbird. (makers of FireFox)
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ (v 1.x)
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.html (in beta)
Palm feels like it's going down hill lately.
(some unix based Palm OS in the works? we'll see....)
More and More people are going to want to try Windows Mobile phones. With so many rich features, how could you say no. It's only a matter of time before "they" need something to make it sync with their world though.
I have several friends that fit into this category may try out 6515's
I thought I'd put this out there to help nudge it along.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tb-sync/
Luckily for me I'm fine with Outlook. (mostly due to my normal job)
I Originally posted here:
http://davesipaq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7973&highlight=thunderbird
and here
http://davesipaq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8306
but xda-developers has a larger pool of master jedi pocket pc users obviously
Another nice work around I thought might work is some kind of on screen address book via remote controll. I just emailed soti (makers of pocket controller professional) http://www.soti.net/default.asp?Cmd=Products&SubCmd=PCPro
the following:
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Hello,
I just started using Pocket Controller Professional on my HP iPaq hw6515. It works great for me and the skin looks slick!
I have a suggestion.
I know several people that REFUSE to use Outlook on their windows machine. This means they can not take advantage of using and/or synchronizing their pocket pc >contacts< very easily. Their email client of choice is normally Thunderbird.
What if you could use your Pocket Controller Professional so your Pocket PC is your address book? It would be really cool if you could open up contacts, and then have a new Thunderbird email message auto fill in the TO field based on what you click through the Pocket Controller screen. (an on screen address book linked real time some how with the ipaq contacts)
What do you think?
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So, anyone up for the challange?

moving along.............
ThunderSync Project Update!! (sounds good)
>I really hope to see this ThunderSync project move forward still.
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>I have several friends that refuse to use outlook and I'd love to see
>them have a nice thunderbird sync solution as well.
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>I'm trying to drum up support for this!
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>http://davesipaq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8306
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>http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=26106
Response................
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The project is still going ahead, although it's a little slower than expected due to my normal work.
The plan is as follows:
1. Get Email to Sync
2. Get contacts to Sync
3. Publish API for plugins.
I'm not planning on writing a calender/todo list sync just yet as Sunbird is still in it's infancy. (Although still pretty good) And once the plugin system is published other people can carry on the work.
Thanks for your interest in the project, hopefully it won't be too long before we are able to publish a beta.
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cool, looking forward to sync my xda IIi with thunderbird and sunbird

Hello s4czech,
your project sounds really interesting. I'm employed at an Italian County, computer science department. We are starting a test phase to replace all commercial mail software we actually use (mainly Eudora, Outlook) with an open source solution, Thunderbird. Many of our employee use a shared calendar served by Microsoft Exchange. Now we are testing Sunbird and Calendar for Thunderbird, and LDAP as shared address book, and phpicalendar as shared calendar, syncronized with Sunbird via iCal (.ics) standard. Everything works fine, but now some customers are asking us for something to sync the calendar (basically the .ics file) with their palm (mainly Outlook for Windows CE). We now that Sunbird is still in its starting phase, but we believe its already a good (and simple) tool for calendar and appointments management. Do you know about something we could use for syncing .ics files on PDAs under Outlook? I read about your decision not to develop a conduit for thunderbird calendar extension. If you could change your mind, we can also think about paying something for this Can you please send me a private message or leave an answer here in order to contact you via email?
Thanks in advance
coolmann.

Hello,
It's not my project. I'm just an enthusiastic guy trying to get exposure to it to speed things along. I'm happy to hear more people like you have a true need though. The more minds the better!
I would post your situation/requests in the ThunderSync projects main forum at sourceforge.net
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tb-sync/
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=453056
I sent a message directly to Darren F. - sol_bot and got the response I posted above.
Let us know how it goes and good luck!

[tb-sync - Open Discussion] RE: Project Status
Read and respond to this message at:
https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3324566
By: sol_bot
OK. So this is how the project stands at the moment.
The user interface is complete.
The code behind it is unfortunatly lacking.
Anyone that can give assistance in the area of Thunderbird mail is seriously requested.
I can inject messages into Pocket Outlook (Most of the time anyway) but need some help in the Thunderbird area.
Read and respond to this message at:
https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3324572
By: sol_bot
Darn it. I've never used Sourceforge or the CVS system on a Windows XP machine.
So anyone that can tell me how to set it up correctly gets 2 brownie points.
On a different note, I'm thinking that this project may require an XPI file for Thunderbird. Anyone that has a clue about these can get in contact with me. (Pwetty Pwease).

I do hope this project experiences progress: it would be very nice to use a single program such a Sunbird to sync since it runs on all platforms.

Viewing a webcam with MSN Messenger for 2003se

HI
Is it possiable to view a webcam image with MSN Messenger for pocket pc using Mobile 2003se.
I have looked at the tools option within the MSN Messenger software currently running om my XDA II with Mobile 2003se, & can find no option to receive a webcam call or sound?
Having searched the net on this issue, I have found mention of a program called Microsoft Portrait which appears to give this function to MSN Messenger, but although this is a microsoft product, which is currently downloadable, I am a little reluctant to try as it's dated 2004 ver 2.3.
I have also looked at upgrades for MSN Messenger for Mobile 2003se & there is a site which will upgrade the product via Activesync, but with no listing of what features are available, or version No. to check against.
(Is it actually possiable to identify version of MSN Messenger running under 2003se in some way?)
Has anyone gone through this route before who can help me?

mobile messenger dont support it currently
not that it would be possible to do it with a higher fps then
1 fpm == frame pr. minut

Thanks for the reply Rudegar
Have you seen this before;
http://research.microsoft.com/~jiangli/portrait/
Please advise me of your thoughts.

had it installed once long time agoe
back then the camera of my himalaya was not supported
somebody talked about ms wanted to make support for it
if they had the camera stk
though
here is last i've heard about it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22825&highlight=microsoft+portrait
and pretty much all i heard about it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=7810&highlight=microsoft+portrait
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=7331&highlight=microsoft+portrait

Thanks for your time in advising me of previous activities on this.
May well give it a try myself now......I guess if anything developes in the future, it will manifest it's self via a "Mobile MSN Messenger upgrade"?

yes unless i'm misstaken then universal devices dont come with messenger and they seem to have to pay ms to get it
so that may indicate that newer versions of messenger will have more features
of cause i'm not sure tha they would release it for older non wm2005 devices

I guess a close watch is kept on MS to see if any new features appear at the following;
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/downloads/msnmessenger/default.mspx
It would be nice to be told of any new features are being made available?
I can find no reference to what new upgade features are anywhere, no version numbers or nothing?
Guess I will just have to run the upgrade & hope I only gain features & not loose any.......thats if anything happens at all.
Once again, thanks for all your help.

Which IM software for the universal?

Hello!
I would greatly appreciate it if you could suggest any good multi - IM software for the universal (Yahoo, MSN, ICQ mainly)
agile messenger was good, but it has a lot of stability issues on the universal. So could you suggest something other than agile?
Thanks,
San

Hmm I'd be interested also in what people are using, at the moment I only have PocketMSN installed.

MSN via IRC
Hi all,
Well I own an MDA Pro (HTC Universal) so it doesn't come with MSN Messenger installed. I am waiting for the new Rom though which does include it. In the meantime I'm using an IRC client in combination with Bitlbee to get on the MSN network. It works like a charm. If you don't know what Bitlbee is you can go here (www.bitlbee.org) to read all about it and to try it out. Basically it's just a IRC Bot/Script that you can run on your computer and it forms a gateway to different IM networks like MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, AIM etc... You can also use the public servers if you don't want to install it on your own pc. Ow and it's free also.

Agile Messenger for Windows Mobile is still free as far as I know, and supports MSN, Yahoo!, AOL, Jabber and ICQ.
I'm using it almost daily. Works quite well, actually.
It has crashed on me at times, but only after extensive chatting.
Omnichaos: Does the MDA Pro not come with MSN? The i-mates do, and it's a free download from Microsoft's site too. The problem with using IRC scripts and bots is that not one bit of it is encrypted, so you're opening up your data to some script-kiddie with lots of time on his hands (granted, I haven't read about your solution, so I don't know the details)

Even I use Agile messenger..it works fine also in Full VGA Mode :lol:

What about any alternatives for just an MSN? I'm not using any other communicators so don't need the all-in-one ones.
I'm quite happy with Pocket MSN, it's just annoying me that the chat window is so small and hard to read and there is a huge unused space underneath.

rottie said:
What about any alternatives for just an MSN? I'm not using any other communicators so don't need the all-in-one ones.
I'm quite happy with Pocket MSN, it's just annoying me that the chat window is so small and hard to read and there is a huge unused space underneath.
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Click on your SIP to display it, and then hide it again to clear the huge unused space.

snorbaard said:
Agile Messenger for Windows Mobile is still free as far as I know, and supports MSN, Yahoo!, AOL, Jabber and ICQ.
It has crashed on me at times, but only after extensive chatting.
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Also my Agile crashes now and then my Jasjar. Indeed you need extensive chatting first. It has never crashed just in stand bye mode.
Agile however recovers very well after being out of reach of the network, which, in my case, cannot be said about MSN.
And the MSN new-user-on-line warning can officially not be switched off. Very irritating.
Anyone tried IM+?
Huib

hey, Thanks!!!

@ snorbaard
No the MDA Pro does not come with MSN Messenger at least not yet (It's included in the next Rom update). I don't know why they haven't included it in the first place cause I now that the Imate's, O2's & Qtek's do.
You are right about MSN being a free download but you have to active your MSN account first for you to be able to use Pocket MSN and that costs 15 euro's.
But as I said it doesn't matter for me that much cause I'm using IRC to get on the MSN network.
You're probably right about IRC not being encrypted but you can run it on your own computer which does increase security alot than if you were to use the public servers. Besides I don't really care that much. It's not like I'm giving away passwords or creditcard numbers on MSN anyway.

Agile Messenger - NEW WM 5.0 version
We will be releasing a new version of Agile Messenger for WM5.0 both PPC and Smartphone versions, that is a complete re-write from the ground up. The BETA will be available in the next week or so, and will be posted publicly on this forum for all of the members to download.
Your feedback is appreciated, and we are quite confident that you will be happy with the new Agile Messnger for WM5.0.
Thanks for your continued support.
BR
Seth
Agilemobile.com Ltd.

Sweet!!!
Can't wait to try it out.

New Agile? Great. Used it on my Nokia 9500. Very nice and stable.
eagerly waiting for a testdrive.
Huib

IM+ is really good. Its WM5 compliant and does Google messenger also.

yo i tried agile on my mda pro, but it wouldnt work,
touchscreen doesnt work with it,and i could only select msn not logon to it
to bad, i just have to wait voor that t-mobile update i guess
P'z

Beta
The new version should support:
Push To Talk
Image Transfer
Emoticons
Group Management
Typing Notification
Support for AOL, MSN, ICQ, Yahoo, and Google Talk
Amongst a number of other new features, and an entirely new interface.
There have ben a number of internal builds over the past few months, and we expect to be releasing a Beta very shortly.
For those of you that are requesting early Beta's it is simply not possible as we intend to provide it to the entire community as soon as our internal devlopment team and quality controll is satisfied that it is ready for public release; which we expect to be in the next few weeks.
BR
Seth
Agilemobile.com Ltd.

universaldoc said:
IM+ is really good. Its WM5 compliant and does Google messenger also.
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I also use IM+. I have since i first got my old Nokia 7650 many moons ago.
I use an XDA EXEC at the moment and the built in MSN Messenger is really bad it claims i am connected when i am not and my gprs monitor reported over 400k usage in around 3 hours without any use.
With IM+ i use around 23K when connecting then a very small amount each time i chat.
AFAIK IM+ also connects directly to the services. I know some other third party ones connect through their own servers.

Dingo said:
universaldoc said:
IM+ is really good. Its WM5 compliant and does Google messenger also.
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I also use IM+. I have since i first got my old Nokia 7650 many moons ago.
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Dingo, that is good news. There is competition. I would love you to compare both Agile and IM+ as soon as the new, rewritten, Agile appears.
I use Agile at the moment. Apart from sometimes hanging my Jasjar, it does the job well. Especially REconnecting after being in the subway is very imporant for me. MSN just does not and Agile reconnects quickly.
MB consumtion of MSN is unacceptable. Very strange that MS delievered a product like that.
Huib

Hi guys
I have been using agile oin my T;mobile exec. It is very stable and i also find it recovers well on disconnects between cell sites. I regularly use it on express train journeys in the uk. But for these i tend to turn of UMTS and force gsm only. this really helps on speeding up agile reconnecting when the unoiversal is moving fast. The other big thing on agile is it costs less than 305 of the bw that MS MSN client uses. So on samll bundles it will save far more in bw costs than any licence feee will cost. If you are having problems on the t-mobile exec, then you are probably doing something wrong, or you have some other trird party sw installed that is messing thinbgs up. Personally i am really pleased that tmob did not install msn otherwise i would not have discovered agile. Can t wait till the new version comes out.
Keepup the good work at the Agile dev team.
Regards
Charlie

MSN Mobile is ... really bad IMHO.
Im also using IM+ as its the most stable for me. It also support jabber but it really miss some basic features.
Are they any other good jabber clients?
Agile was also not really working out for me, lets see how it behave on an new version.
If anybody know any other clients plz post them. Im also really ready to pay for them - 100EURO for a really ok client is no problem. Sources would be even better so i could fix the rest myself.
If somebody could provide sources, i would even sign an NDA or something and pay more.
Would love if somebody contact me
Daniel

Various Questions!!!

Hi There,
I am looking to purchase a device; mainly to be used to send/receive e-mail's on the move but also am interested in any extra functionality available to me!!
At the moment I am choosing between this (T-mobile Vario) and the Blackberry 8700. I was wandering if anyone would be willing to give me a quick comparison and maybe a personal reccommendation!!?
Also I was reading in a previous thread about a blackberry add on for the Vario....would anyone be able to give me a rough run-down on how/if that works at all please!!
I appreciate your understanding of my simple questions!!
Many Thanks
Dave

HTC Wizard .. its both cheaper and beter.
What good feature do you see in BlackBerry that HTC Wizard doesn't have?

I'm guessing that you've never used either a PDA or a Blackberry. The reason I say this is because if you had, the differences would be immediately obvious.
Blackberry is good at doing one thing and one thing only: email. There are very few apps available, and even fewer are free. There is no touchscreen. Browsing is difficult because of this, and many programs are a pain for the same reason. WM Smartphones has the same issue.
Both do email, but Blackberry is generally better (for now). What WM PDAs do better than Blackberry is... everything else. Look through these forums (fora?) and see what other people are doing with their PDAs. Anything they can do, NO MATTER THE PDA, you can do with a Wizard, and with very few exceptions, cannot do with a Blackberry.
My boss has a Blackberry from work, and I have a Wizard. I can't get my work email on my Wizard because it's not allowed yet at our organization. BUT, I can browse Outlook Web Access and view it when I want. I also can get my 5 personal email accounts on my Wizard, which he can't do on his Blackberry. Finally, he tried browsing Kelly Blue Book when buying a car, failed miserably and called me, and I looked it up on my Wizard.
Next, I have mapping programs, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, games, astronomy, a camera, dictionary, ebooks, music, videos, pictures, and on and on...
IMHO, anyone who's ever owned even a basic PDA would never bother choosing a Blackberry. You just lose so much functionality. If you don't need that and just want email, go for it.

uwaku said:
Blackberry is good at doing one thing and one thing only: email. There are very few apps available, and even fewer are free.
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Email with Wizard isn't a problem after the last ROM where SyncML for e-mail (push) is supported. You also have VPN support to accessing company networks.
uwaku .. what type of company mail setup do you have? You should not blame the Wizard for that your company don't allow you to connect your e-mail.
Comparing SyncML and BlackBerry.. is BlackBerry even a standard protocol? SyncML is a standard:
http://www.openmobilealliance.org/tech/wg_committees/workinggroups.html

Cool; sounds like the Wizard is definately more for me than the Blackberry....which is what I was leaning towards anyways. The one thing that I did want to know is whether you can get Hotmail on to the Wizard without having to go through the web browser (ie; go to www.hotmail.com).
Many Thanks

yes, hotmail access is pretty good on the wizard, It comes with Pocket MSN, once you've put your username and password into that it will add your hotmail emails and account the the windows email application, so no messing with www.hotmail.com

[POLL] All-In-One Instant Messaging, Contacts, and SMS Client for Windows Mobile

Hey all. I'm thinking about writing an Instant Messaging Client for Windows Mobile.
My ideas include:
Ability to use any major instant messaging network: ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, GTalk, AIM, etc.
Touch Screen Friendly
You can be connected to all your networks from both your desktop and phone at the same time.
It can be used as a replacement for the standard "Contacts" application: all your non-instant messaging Contacts will be viewable on this client as well. You can do the standard stuff as well: call, email, text, as well as send an IM.
What I'm wondering, is if you guys would be interested in this, and if it's even worth my time. So please vote and let me know!

well i'm very intrested. any thoughts on vga video chat integration?

It'd be just great. I'd love to see it happen

im+ is good and has a 7 day trial
agile messenger is also good and i believe also has a trial
the best for me has been beejive its still beta but works great for me is free and has a great UI that makes it feel something like SMS on the iphone
beejive.com
these all work with multiple services

id be interested if it could compete with these especially if the UI could blend with the diamond or touchflo 3D

NYRican is right, it should match the Tf3D UI, would be a great Idea, & the greatest would be if the VIDEO CHAT works as well.
GoodLuck

Skype
WOW.Can you include Skype? as i found very few clients include it

great...
i think it will be very usefull when you realise something like imov
a full compatible xmpp jabber protocol messenger with transports feature for other messaging protocols like msn icq ...
as opensource project or freeware
Benefits:
- xmpp needs little traffic
- transports have the benefit that all status and standby comunication per protocol is reduced to one!
- programing is easyer because you must integrate only one protocol
- as opensource or freeware other developer can support you
...

definitely a fantastic idea
1) nice gui interface (agile, im+ = brutal interfaces)
2) NON Memory HOG! (Beejive is great, but runs very slow)
3) NON Power Consuming! (Beejive eats battery likes its going out of style when running for long periods of time)
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Those are my comments based on other applications on the market.
if you can pull of designing a very nice interface, easy to use with the touchscreen for vga, that'd be awesome!

I'd love to use a killer mobile TF3D integrated contacts and unified communication client for the Microsoft Unified Communications products!
Right now, I sync with my Outlook contacts OTA on Exchange and have access to our company directory. That alone has proven invaluable already..

+1 very nice to such an App.
Maybe a little bit nokia 5800 like.
There You can also handle everything to do with Contact
( IM, SMS, Phone, Pics...) via the Contact app.
This would be a very very great App.
Respect for Idea.
greets doena

Thumbs up here
I think this is what is needed to complete this mobile
and IM that can do it all
Looking forward to it

You nubs know this thread is over 6 months old..

if only i had a diamond
think you can make a QVGA version?

drdingo21 said:
You nubs know this thread is over 6 months old..
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it was posted on october 3rd :S
how is it old?

drdingo21 said:
You nubs know this thread is over 6 months old..
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hahahahahahahahahahaha!
dude the date in this forum is Day-Month-Year
haha good try though

kidnamedAlbert said:
hahahahahahahahahahaha!
dude the date in this forum is Day-Month-Year
haha good try though
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XD loool nice guy XD wahahaha

Mandragore said:
I'd love to use a killer mobile TF3D integrated contacts and unified communication client for the Microsoft Unified Communications products!
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there already is a client for MS unified communications (OCS) for windows mobile. but your company needs to have an edge OCS server running or else you won't be able to connect.
i would like to see this, but it's gotta be a LOT of work? if you plan on implementing all those protocols.. i know with miranda (a windows multi protocol IM) they have enough resourcing issues with one developer per protocol.. and you are suggesting that you develop all the protocols as well as the UI and everything else? impressive..

omniwolf said:
there already is a client for MS unified communications (OCS) for windows mobile. but your company needs to have an edge OCS server running or else you won't be able to connect.
i would like to see this, but it's gotta be a LOT of work? if you plan on implementing all those protocols.. i know with miranda (a windows multi protocol IM) they have enough resourcing issues with one developer per protocol.. and you are suggesting that you develop all the protocols as well as the UI and everything else? impressive..
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lol smashed our hopes

omniwolf said:
there already is a client for MS unified communications (OCS) for windows mobile. but your company needs to have an edge OCS server running or else you won't be able to connect.
i would like to see this, but it's gotta be a LOT of work? if you plan on implementing all those protocols.. i know with miranda (a windows multi protocol IM) they have enough resourcing issues with one developer per protocol.. and you are suggesting that you develop all the protocols as well as the UI and everything else? impressive..
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My plan is to host an Openfire XMPP server, and that provides gateways to all the other IM clients. There is also an open source XMPP client library called Jabber.NET. Really, all I would be doing is hosting a server and writing a rich XMPP client UI. And for a phone, funneling all the traffic through one protocol and proxy works out much better on performance and battery life.
So I would not be writing any code related to protocols, but I would have to maintain a server and pay for bandwidth costs. Ultimately that means I would not be able to do this entire project for "free" like everything else I do: I need a way to make enough revenue off of it to pay for the hosting service.
Also, regarding the MS Live Communications client. Not only do you need to run an Exchange and LCS server, you need to purchase an additional license for Public IM connectivity. That license is around $13-$16 per user per year. And on top of that, you must use the MS Live Communications client, which is not so touch friendly: what I really want out of this is a nice, usable, IM client.