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KikkerDialer- a new dialer available for Magician (Freeware)

Hi all,
We just released a new dialer (freeware) which you can download from Handango. You can download from
http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productId=152403
Features included in KikkerDialer are:
- The most advanced number dialing system which allows for entry by number panel or keyboard, editing, insertion, copy / paste, etc
- Intuitive and simple UI providing the main functions of a phone such as contacts, dial, access to special characters (e.g. the + sign for international dialing)
- A user interface for selecting contacts which mimicks the most intuitive methods for selecting contacts such as those used within standard mobile phones such as Nokia, Sony Ericsson, etc
- Synchronisation with contacts database (mobile, work, home)
- Extremely fast and responsive to use
- Access to the Windows Mobile clipboard for copy / paste
Feedback welcomed. Enjoy.
Kikker Interactive

I'm sorry, but I really don't see what is so special about this software. Maybe I have got it wrong, but I would say that D9 is better than this, and PhonePlus is much better. I don't want to scroll to the letter J every time I want to call my friend John, and so on.
Copy and paste is nice, but where is the T9 contact selection as in D) and PhonePlus, I think that is a great feature.
The fact that this diealer resembles old standard GSM phones is of no interest.
Sorry for only giving bad feedback, but then again, I might haven't found the cool features.

nteresting… just tried this
First comment - good to see another free dialer out there given what shipped with the jam.
ave only tried this for abt 15 minutes but like it very much so far. Is a lot faster than D9 (my only complaint with that software – I have ~ 1,000 contacts in my jam and the UI is v unresponsive). The thing I like with this new dialer too is the editable text field which seems to be missing on most other apps out there. The ability to edit a number before a call (e.g. insert +44 if not already in international prefix), insert a digit when you have entered incorrectly, etc is just what I was after. Would be nice to see call history in there too btw.

Intuitive and simple UI providing the main functions of a phone such as contacts, dial, access to special characters (e.g. the + sign for international dialing) --->Cool... :wink:

Crashed on my WWE Qtek S100 .. when I try to call ..
Carlis

Hi Carlis,
In the first few hours of release, the first installer required you to have OpenNETCF on your device. It seems not so many people have this so we fixed this issue and now you no longer need this on your device.
You should uninstall the KikkerDialer and run the the new installer file (now setup.exe - ~2MB), downloadable from the same location at Handango. Please give this a go and let us know if any probs - [email protected]
Best rgds,
Kikker Interactive

I'm surprised all of you think different than me, but I will give it another try, I guess. I still don't think it can compare with PhonePlus with all the features it has, but then again it's freware.
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Cant downlod the Setup.exe, it still downloads the setup.msi, is this the right version? I'm getting the same crash. Can someone post it here?

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Cant downlod the Setup.exe, it still downloads the setup.msi, is this the right version? I'm getting the same crash. Can someone post it here?
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for me the download link does not work at all. Page cannot be displayed.

Well, I downloaded the MSI-file from handandgo. Now in can run on my T-Mobile MDA Compact but when I try to dial, it crashes:
KikkerDialer.exe
TypeLoadException
Failed to load type OpenNETCF.Notification.Led from OpenNETCF.Notification, Version=1.2.3346.0, Culture-neutral, PublicKey Token= 30C767B29D52D6E6
Can it be fixed? I wanted to test this application concerning tone dial (DTMF sending).

Anonymous said:
Hi Carlis,
In the first few hours of release, the first installer required you to have OpenNETCF on your device. It seems not so many people have this so we fixed this issue and now you no longer need this on your device.
You should uninstall the KikkerDialer and run the the new installer file (now setup.exe - ~2MB), downloadable from the same location at Handango. Please give this a go and let us know if any probs - [email protected]
Best rgds,
Kikker Interactive
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Hi
Thank´s for the answer...
but .. hm .. its not an exe on the same location .. its still the MSI ..
Carlis

ZeroXtreme, 718 & Carlis - Our apologies - we actually meant to the setup.MSI - the file you see up there is the right one (it is not an .exe).
However, seems some of you are still getting a runtime issue on your devices. We suspect this is due to a missing DLL - but cannot replicate your issue right this moment. We've just received some more devices now tho and are retesting. Will post a response here shortly. Feel free to email us directly in the meantime.
Iggy - the handango site must have been having problems. You should try again.
Kikker Interactive

Beta testing - never easy. I'm having enough trouble and bugs beta testing Mobi Dial 2.5 right now, so I'll think I'll pass on this one. Someone let me know when there actually is a legit, ergonomically competent and STABLE replacement dialer out there.

OK thank you all for your patience.
Our new devices arrived and we were able to replicate the issue that some of you were having. This has now been solved with a new version of the setup.msi (now named setup_20050202.msi as Handango doesn't seem to allow overwriting).
You can either download the new app from Handango (http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productId=152403) or we've also hosted it at http://69.20.6.190/KikkerDialer/setup_20050202.msi for your convenience.
If you don't want to go through the process of download + installing the 2MB file again, there is an easier way for those of you who already have the previous version installed. Please follow the steps here:
1. Quit the KikkerDialer
2. Download two dll's http://69.20.6.190/KikkerDialer/OpenNETCF.Notification.dll and http://69.20.6.190/KikkerDialer/OpenNETCF.Phone.dll
3. Copy both files to \Program Files\KikkerDialer on your device (or wherever you installed the dialer)
4. Restart the app
Any problems - please let us know. Again, apologies for the false start for some of you. From those who were not affected however, we had some v positive feedback and to repay all your efforts, will add some more features within the next few weeks
Kikker Interactive

Yes, with the dlls you provided the program starts okay. However, I failed to dial DTMF tones. Sometimes it is necessary to dial extention or enter a PIN-code. Such a pitty!

Exelent .. thx.. it now works on a Swedish WWE Qtek s100 without need of the extra dll´s ..
Only thing that is missing .. DTMF codes .. to use bank transactions and so..
When they ask for my account nr .. and I press the keys.. nothing happends..
And finaly .. how to replace the old dailer hardware keys.. Green and Red phone keys to be using Ur dailer.. it still actiavte the old one..
Best Regards Carlis

Hi - ok glad we got all the installer issues cleared up.
Yep - DTMF tones are not supported currently. As users of the software, here is what we do:
- Make the call using KikkerDialer
- When prompted to enter PIN (etc), press the green call button and the standard windows dialer will appear
- Type in your code using this interface
This works fine against all systems. Obviously not as intuitive. We are however, working on building in DTMF into our next release and have made some progress so far but won't ship till its ready. At the same time, we'll try to address the issue of how to bind KikkerDialer to the green call button.
Keep giving us your feedback in the meantime, v useful.
Best rgds,
Kikker Interactive

Would you manage dialing DTMF tones, you'll be great! But please note that the standard Windows dialer do not work correctly with the DTMF tones. There is something wrong with the duration of the tone, as I suppose. So with that dialer I often reach wrong extention or dial wrong number.

First of all thank you for the freeware.
in spite that, I dont think I would throw phoneplus away yet which serves my every needs.
But it is nice to see some developers trying to give some fight to proffesionals.

Thanks for all your comments. We're still working on getting a v1.0 out there shortly and the latest is good news. From the latest development version of the KikkerDialer, we now have full control of all the JAM buttons such as the direction pad middle button (to select contacts), the green dial button (to open the dialer and make calls), etc. This feature alone allows for complete one handed usage of the dialer (i.e. no stylus).
Now focus remains on adding:
- Call history
- Easier searching on contacts
- DTMF
This last, frequently requested, item is proving to be quite a challenge. We shall persist!
Best rgds,
Kikker Interactive

# codes for redirecting

Using codes from here - http://www.arcx.com/sites/GsmFeatures.htm
I want to setup speed dial to re-direct my phone sometime. However if I put *21*[Phone Number]# into a contact and try and dial it I get "Command not supported".
Any way I can do this?
Thanks
M.

does the command work if you put it directly into the phone pad dialler and press dial??

Yup, works perfectly like that. Looking for a way to do it from a memory quickly. Any ideas?
Thanks
M.

Hi Otto-Mate,
I've no time to test and don't know if the HTC Universal allows but have you tried saving the number to the SIM and linking the speed dial to it there?
If this device (having a quick look show's it's not) GCF certified then it should be able to dial *21*xxxx numbers from the U/SIM but I don't know if the speed dial will link to it...
Gavin.

You might want to look at SKScheMa at www.s-k-tools.com which using a script can make a call. It will give you a shortcut to the script to execute it.
cjb

Answering machine

Hello
I wrote an answering machine program (mortscript) for WM5 but I encountered a strange problem, when a call is answered all sounds playing in my phone was silent.
Does anyone know a tweak how to disable the silent feature in WN5?
Thanks

Do you have a cab file program for WM6? really need this program !!!

NO, Not yet.
When it's done there will be no need of cab file, it is a very light script file.
The only problem I have now is that my greeting message can't be heard by the caller because, as I said all sounds are silent.
There are no other problems, the caller can leave his message as usual.
You can even determine the length of the recording.

I hate to disappoint you, but an answering machine can not be written for many WM based phones in native C, let alone using mortscript.
Ahh if it was only that easy...
When a call is answered the sound is routed differently to and from the phone on the OS / Hardware level and as far as we know short of faking a BT deriver there is no way to record from the phone or play sound to the person at the other end.
There have been a lot of discussion on this subject in the forum, please use google and search the forum for "answering machine".

Thanks for your answer.
I have searched this form and the internet for such software and encountered your answer – B U T - I have noticed that in my phone (ETEN X500) I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH RECORDING CONVERSATIONS - the caller and my voice, (I even wrote a recording script and assigned it to the record button).
The only problem with my answering machine is that after the device automatically answer the call, the caller can't hear my greeting message, actually no sound cab be played because when there is an incoming call, the device mutes all other sounds.after that I can record the caller voice with no problems.
BTW – If a song is playing and a call comes, the song mutes, but when the call end, the song voice comes again.
So I thought there must be a registry value that orders the device to mute all sounds when a call comes.

tweak
i know there are some tweaks (programs) ,only i cant remember wich ones... that will let you choose between muting sound/notification in call or just let it play. i think phone alarm from pocketmax.net has that option. and maybe i can come up with some others if you give some time.....at this moment i cant remember any .... but i will let you know. i know for sure that there are some options for this!!

Thanks man
That what i thought. There must be some tweak for it.
Looking forward to your reply

This is interesting. As I wrote in my answer the problem is with "many" not all WM based phones.
So far I only knew about one that came with a built in answering machine - the g-smart.
I assumed you had an HTC phone, but if ETENs have recording and playback capability during calls too this may be very interesting.
Unfortunately, I do not know of any specific tweak for what you ask, but check out Tweaks2k2 and Pocket hack master perhaps one of them will have it.

Thanks, but no luck in both of them.
Still looking for the desired tweak...

So u need to press the record button to activate recording?

No,
The script detect an incoming call, if the call doesn't answered after X seconds (you define the X), the device answers the call, play the greeting message (which for now can't be heard by the caller – that until I find the desired tweak), after that the device opens Notes and starts recording for Y seconds (once again - you define the Y).
When the recording is done it sends a missing call notification – so you know you have missing calls.

Hi there,
Perhaps I'm getting the wrong end of the stick....but how is this any better than the answerphone function you get with mobile operators??

It’s not.
But it has its benefit. You save all messages on your phone (and can forward them to your PC), you don’t have to call your operator to listen to your messages, you can control on the activation and the parameters of your answering machine and most of all – you save a lot of money (at least here we pay for each call to cellular operator)

Guys, go read http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1798169

Ah I think an answering machine is possible using SK Schema
I found the article on the internet and it was quite a joy as it worked perfectly for me on my Imate Jam
Played back the prerecorded message nicely and then ran Resco audio recorder to record the sound very nicely as well
If interested I can post the whole script here

Oh
Please do
Thanks

Check this out guys: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-isecretary-v1-1.html
Haven't tried it yet, it looks too "simple", but ok

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357635
this should indeed answer all your questions in regaurds to an answering service for you ppc

The beginning to visual voicemail?
This would be pretty sweet...good luck man.

The below mentioned article was written by andason:
Here is a how to on the answering machine... thanks to "testdebug".
first change
HKEY_CURRENT_USER->control panal->sound categories-> attenuation
0 -------- 0x0(1)
then.
how to generate and save script file= open skchema. cleck tools. click script. click new. select command. and select phone then answer at the top. click ok. click new again. select command. choose multimadia then play a wave file. select parameters. and choose file. browse and select the wav file u created by yourself using the windows default note application. choose tools again. click context menu. and click save to file. This is the script file that your are going to select and execute at the below mentioned.
from skchema, go to watch mode, type new, select watch for windows then choose phone at the top. select event title, choose phone ring on top. select ring number and put your dersired number of ring time before pickup. select execute and choose the script files that you saved at above.
Download latest version freeware PMrecorder. and create a shortcut n throw it into startup. it will record all your calls. to playback calls. just click on call list. select the logs and click play. You can set skschema to execute file when exit so that skschema will not expire. the file is a freeware mortscript, set it to delete skschema registry at hkey_current_usersoftwaresksks chemmain.Just save the file as RegDelete HKCU,Softwareskschema,main
Now u have an aswering machine that will auto answer your call at a specified number of rings which specified from u. then it will playback wav file from your recorded voice. And recording the calls. i see the pmrecorder does not record using the mic but through internal phone module as it is loud even recording othe party.
Ta-ta.........answering machine!
i even set skschme to monitor my sms. if specified number or sms words is recognised. it will excute script tp start cell profiler. scan the cell id then sms me back the cell location then format or delete all the files in case of thief.
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Note that in order for the above script to work correctly on my Imate Jam i needed to add a delay of 3 secs [after receiving the call and before playing back the greetings wav file: in parameters put #d(3)] in the original answering machine script by testdebug.
Instead of PMrecorder I used Resco audio recorder and the quality of the other party is simply "wow", very loud.

make a shortcut to a certain part of a program...

like can i make a shortcut to a certain part of a program (like in the params" section)... So like if i want to dial out via the skype dialer, instaed of goign into skype and going to phoen each time. Can i have a link to the exact phone dialer part of the program. And then can i make another section to go straight to the contacts part.... Is this possible??

is this possible, cause then i could link right to a dialer to dial out or whatnot.

You need to go to the program's support forum and ask them. This is a feature the developer needs to build into his software. Try looking under the keyphrase of "command line".

what about a shortuct, and changes the "params"

Edit phone number before calling

Hello folks,
is it somehow possible to edit a number from call history (or maybe even a contact) before calling / dialling (eg. change the suffix) with HTC HD2 (or Windows mobile in general)???
Even my stoneage Nokias could do this... Very helpful feature if trying to call different numbers (suffixes) in one company or after mistyping a number and noticing it after hitting the "Call" button (you could then take the number from history and correct the typo instead of re-entering the whole number).
I found no way with my top notch HD2 to perform this simple task. Any tricks at hand? Any (simple, probably free) apps that may help?
(Is there anyone at all who shares my need? )
Thanks for your help!

surprisingly enough, and ridiculously enough, as far as I've tried until now, that's not possible, unless you keep the number in your head and type it in the dialer, or copy/paste the original number inside a fake contact, and edit it there in order to call that contact later.
Nothing even by far anything similar to copy/paste is possible in the dialer, not even with quickmenu

Thanks ephestione for your sympathy, pity that there seems to be no solution!
Creating a dummy contact would be a kind of workaround but no simplification. Re-entering the number would then be quicker and less complicated.
Another strange flaw of the "Phone dialer screen" I just noticed is that you can not even really edit the number you just typed in at any position (by placing a cursor). You really have to backspace-delete the whole number until the typo and re-enter it from that position on! How "smart" is that?
(For my not-so-smart old SE k800i this was one of the easiest tasks and I never expected this to be a problem...)
Certainly this problem is caused by the different concepts of "touch" or "keypad" interfaces. With a keypad selecting an item (eg. a number in a list) and then doing something with it (eg. dial or select a "use number functionality" via menu) are separate things, while in touch interfaces selecting and executing often (mostly) is one.
But in many situations this is inappropriate at least. The distinction between a single tap to select and a double-tap to execute (like known from the mouse) seems to be the better approach when there are several different things you might want to do with an Item (like here)!
Anyway, is there no one else missing a "edit number before redial/dial contact" functionality?
Anyone else with a solution (app or easy workaround) at hand?
If there is a certain demand I would even try to write my own app! Unfortunately I have absolutely no experience in programming for WinMo and accessing functions there...
Could someone suggest a good introduction to WinMo-Programming? (Or maybe anyone of the experienced developers here is keen on doing the coding? )
My idea:
App functionality:
Possibility to edit phone number selected (tapped) from call history before redialling starts
Possibility to edit phone number selected (tapped) from contact before dialling starts
App features:
Suppress dialling after selecting (single tap) a number from call history or contact (or anywhere else), instead paste the number to the "number field/row" in the "Phone dialer screen". The number could then be edited using the "backspace method".
A number could then be dialled as usual by double-tapping the number. (Tap/double-tap functionality may be switched)
>>> At least great for suffix editing. Looks quite easy to code to my unexpirienced eye...
On the "Details" tab for a contact (or a number from history) provide a button to the right of every "Call ..." entry (just like the "select number" button for the "send message" entry) with a "use number functionality" wich just pastes the number to the "number field/row".
>>> Surely needs accessing HTC Sense. Looks challenging.
Maybe also provide such a button in call (history) lists...
>>> There already are two buttons in these lists...
Make "number field/row" fully editable by providing a freely placeable cursor.
>>> No idea how to do this. May need accessing HTC Sense? Looks very complicated.
Feedback welcome!

It is simply SICK that this functionality does not exist by default. No wonder the head of win mo just got sacked! /P

I desperately need this editing function as I travel overseas a lot and ther are a lot of IP dialing facilities where one just has to enter a specific number before the main phone number, eg if in Singapore and using M1 sim card one just has to dial 021 + country code + tel number. (021 is not an international dialing code, its just a cheaper way to make international calls)
I was able to do this in my 10 year old phone but ever since I've moved to WiMo such a basic feature is missing.

I am missing it also very much!!! Tried to use the note function but it did not work ... It would be really great if someone might be able to provide a cap-file to improve this great mistake of wm!! Or anything else - any ideas are appreciated!!!

blaster88 said:
I am missing it also very much!!! Tried to use the note function but it did not work ... It would be really great if someone might be able to provide a cap-file to improve this great mistake of wm!! Or anything else - any ideas are appreciated!!!
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The only thing I can think of, is a phone suite software from Inesoft.
http://www.inesoft.com/eng/index.php?in=phone.html
New version 6 has been released with updates.
I have attached some info in their user manual.
Apparently, it seems they have addressed this issue.
I have read a number of forums and people with HD2, liked this software.
Hope this helps.
ps. I haven't tried it, as I hadn't had a need. But I think I will give it a go, as my needs for international dialing are picking up. I have SPB phone suite, and it is almost useless.......so give that phone suite a miss. I also had phone alarm and it won't solve the problem either.

Oh, and I forgot their was PhonEx. Ver2.2 is the current one.
http://www.iconsoft.com/?language=en&menu=62e094db10fc83b1
They also have a feature to edit and add, special format numbers, which can be used when dialing intl numbers etc....
I have attached their info as well.
You would have to do some research and see which one would suit your needs better, and your device, between PhonEx and Inesoft.
Good luck.
Edit: I think between the two, PhonEx has a better dialer.............Just my two cents.......but check it out for yourselves.

just had a quick play with this, with the aim of taking a number from call history, editing it and dialing the edited number.
here's how.
from phone screen, choose number in the list by tapping the icon on the right, which calls up the history sub tab for just that number, (or the details page if it's a known contact), slide to the messaging sub tab and press the hardware send key, this loads the number into the dial screen, but doesn't dial it. now choose menu, save to notes, edit the number, select it, press and hold, choose copy, jump back to phone screen, hit menu and paste is now an option.
voila, new number just waiting for you to hit dial.

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the whole procedure sounds like the neverending story, as it would require more time than to memorize the new number and type it in
Anyway, what I have to thank you for, is pointing me to the fact that there is indeed a "Paste" item in the menu! I don't know how I overlooked that
So well, regarding my need, which is not actually editing the number before dialing but rather copy the number off a calendar entry, you just saved my day thank you

heh, glad it helped, and as usual, teh explanation takes 10 x longer to read than the process takes to do, its a 10 second thing once you know it. The downside is you end up with a pile of notes you dont want.

Not quite as simple as I would have liked but as long as it got the job done, it'd be fine. Except.... Arrrgh!
Everything is OK up until the number is displayed in the dialler. I then hit the Menu softbutton and select 'Save to Notes'.
This opens up a note, BUT (and its a big but!) the number is not pasted into the note.
If I then select Menu from Notes, the Paste opton is greyed out. If not then it just pastes the last thing I copied, which is not the number!
Help!

well it used to work! mine doesn't now either, i recently started using parts from the 3.14 rom, something must have changed.
what rom you on?

Whoops! Appologies for the late reply.
I'm on ROM ver 1.66.405.2 (76641) WWE
OS ver 5.2.21869 (21869.5.0.82)
Manilla ver 2.5.19211619.0
Hope this helps.

Edit before dialing...
Good news!
This software can help....
I started using this from Windows Mobile 6.0, then 6.1 and now 6.5.
I am using it in HTC HD2 before and after new Rom 3.14.
It works perfectly. However, you need to use traditional microsoft contact screen. You need to switch from HTC sense contact to traditional microsoft contact. It is very easy. You can also preset some prefix codes as shortcut.
Good Luck!

The software LoneTear PhoneHelper 1.2-Edit Before Call or SMS
This is quite old software but it works perfectly in HTC HD2 running WinMo 6.5.
This is the link:
http://www.lonetear.com/PhoneHelper/default.htm