I seem to be increasing the frequency of Soft Resets so it got me wondering, is this normal/common?
Why do I do it? Well the memory drops throughtout the day even if I close programs through "running programs" and some times the screen does funny things like batt level 220%, etc.
Cheers for your input,
marto
When developing, about every 5 minutes
In normal use, probably not more then 1 every 2-3 days. I keep my system as stable as possible, and backup before installing stuff, so I can revert if I can revert if it fubars.
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Yep I'm very nervous about hard reset's but am thinking perhaps I really should do one.
I've done a lot of playing and installing/unistalling since getting my new toy and one wonders how much is actually removed with the uninstalls :?:
I reset about after 2-3 days to keep things running smoothly
KAMAL
every few days
usually it's at the end of a backup
Now I switched of my enlarged fatfs cache, I don't reset very often. Only when my magician locks up or something has eaten my memory. I know that probably vgsmail is causing some of the instability, but running an imap pushmail-client is worth some resets. So when I need the camera I first have to reset :-(
M
Just once a week, my M500 doesn't hang that often, only when I've used many programs at once and I forgot to close some... Long live my taskmanager!
oltp said:
Now I switched of my enlarged fatfs cache,...
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@oltp,
say, what kind of problems did you have with the enlarged cache?
Not worth bothering about it?
speed up fatfs
I used these for several months:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\CacheSize=4096
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS\EnableCache=0x1(1)
Must say that filebrowsing was noticeable faster. Downside was the memory it ate & never gave back again. Maybe a smaller amount is better, let's say 2048.
M
i use sprite backup, i have set it to do an auto backup at 3am, when i know i wont be using my phone, i set it to reset after that.
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This is weird... I'm running 4.00.11, no extraneous apps or anything third party. When I soft reset, program memory is at 17MB or 45% (which to begin with, sucks). As I use the XDA for a few days, I end up with almost 70% used!
Now, all the apps are truly closed, I even went as far as clearing the IE cache, keeping the SD card removed, etc. No matter what, it happens. And yes, I'm aware of the slider to adjust memory.
It wouldn't be so much a giant paint if it wasn't for the fact that after every few days I need to soft reset. Otherwise the thing just ends up slow and I can't open much in terms of apps.
Is this normal, ie. "what do you expect from Microsoft"? Should I cry? Smash it? Fix it?
Thanks in advance for any insight.
4.00.11 is garbage version with full of bugs!
People experienced WM2003 ROM, most decided to back with Pocket PC 2002 (3.20).
When you cooked your rom, did you make sure that "fix multiple resets" was ticked, I think its to do with logging and debugging stuff taking room and making the system crawl after a while. Worth looking anyway.
lol... bro! you're complaining about reseting every few days?!?
i reset 10-30 times a day!!!! lol
most programs freeze on this $400 piece of s*ht. just like everything else Bill G8s does.
good luck! maybe when Apple make a MACpda
im on 4.00.11 and i have no problems even d/c gprs after browing on wap.
you just hold down the red button till it d.c then you let go and your phone part is still left on
ive had no probs with v4.00.11 best version out for the uk
gaz
No going back!
That's the trouble with all this buggy software... it's got too many features I've been enjoying to go back to the more archane previous (WM 2002) version.
I did select the multiple resets bug fix thing when cooking the ROM. I'm assuming it's just like when using most versions of Windows on a PC, it just craps up if you don't reboot every so often.
As much as I like a lot of Microsoft products (bugs or not, whining and otherwise, it's the most standardized functional platform out there), this thing is frustrating, would be a great product if not for the memory issue.
ntabikha said:
lol... bro! you're complaining about reseting every few days?!?
i reset 10-30 times a day!!!! lol
most programs freeze on this $400 piece of s*ht. just like everything else Bill G8s does.
good luck! maybe when Apple make a MACpda
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Hmmmm, I've been running for weeks now on 4.00.16. No crashes and no resets and no problems. Running lots of extra software too. Maybe you have something installed wrong or a bad rom...
Misterdollymaker
me too
I also have 4.00.11, and I also have this problem with the memory filling up. No other problems however, the 4.00.11 version is very stable on my O2 XDA. A reset every few days fixes the problem. I'll stick with this version, too many improvements compared to PPCPE2002.
yeah I'll 2nd siliconaddicts opinion here...
same issues
that may be true... but some of my best games only work on 2002
the sound is very poor, and choppy at best, in 2003.
how do u get mms/wap to work in usa? or is that just euro thing.
games dont work? which ones?
I cant say I've experienced that with mine....
well... i think of only a couple now,
bust'em arcade
and Strip 4 You, by AIM arcade.
oh! and ALIEN INVASION by www.kyouwan.com
so, 4.0016 doesn't leak memory?
Is there anybody else out there, running 4.00.16 without the strange memory leak?
If so, maybe it's time to upgrade once again... just waiting for the day that one of these ROM upgrades completely fry my XDA.
Are you using surfing with PIE?
I know on my other PPC's with WM2003, that PIE will cache a large temp directory(s) and every so often I go in and tell PIE to delete them out under the Tools->Options->General Tab->"Delete Files" Button
To get an idea look in
\\Windows\Profiles\guest\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\
Directories here can build up and eat A LOT of memory - 5-10 MB easy.
FYI,
JB
With my phone at the Today screen, and no apps launched my WM 6.1 is running at 60-65%....
Is there any way to reduce it other than getting a new ROM? I'm VERY leary about upgrading the ROM, basically because I'm a serious newb with all this flashing and SPL stuff....
Thanks!
*coughs* *shuffles feet*
Bump....
Cheers, all.
The percentages you're talking about are mem usage - not CPU usage
65% isn't that problematic.
Thank for the info!!
it got as high as 84% yesterday, and overnight sucked my battery life with nothing running...is there anything I can do to keep this low?
Thanks!
Are you sure you don't have anything running? When i close all running programs on my NIKI and return to homescreen, i have about 55%, with Win. mobile 6.1.
What have you tried..? Tried a soft or even better, a hard reset of your device?
That's a fair question, because I actually have to soft reset every once in a while after using various apps on my phone. I make sure that there's nothing running in the task manager as well.
Right now it's at about 70%....and that is after a soft reset.
Now, it's not modded (I have a Neon [Bell Canada HTC Touch Dual], so there's no ROM for it yet). Once there's a finished ROM for it, with all of the "muck" out of it, it's probably going to be a little better.
But I question if there's anybody out here who gets the original amount of memory back after closing some apps..?
When I start a lot of apps and close them again, the used mem percentage is always higher than before (I think WM doesn't unload some libraries 'til your memory gets full, because it doesn't hurt to keep them loaded and saves processor cycles)
I've found that as well. If I use enough apps, I have to turn my phone off and back on - eventually It gets over 80% (sometimes It's gone up to 90% with no apps running!)
I have the same problem. The memory kept going up in WM6.1. Any solution to this?
Hello,
Being used HD for one week, I found one problem about memory consumption (not a problem actually ).
At startup, about 120M free memory, after using for one day (Opera, view picture, games, stock manager, etc), only about 80M RAM left.
I have tried to use
- oxios memory
- MemMaid 2.0
but it can only free 1-2M RAM, where is my RAM
Yes, I found out the same problem! Try to do a reset and the memory is cleaned again. I use the X button to kill all programs after using them, but it seems to be fludding on a regular basis, also activesync program keep popping up when I'm not connected, and the memory usage slowely gets higher every hour with a few procent.
Does anyone else has the same prob? Didn't use special appz yet, because it doesn't seem to disturb working with device.
greetz,
swa
Swantony001 said:
Yes, I found out the same problem! Try to do a reset and the memory is cleaned again. I use the X button to kill all programs after using them, but it seems to be fludding on a regular basis, also activesync program keep popping up when I'm not connected, and the memory usage slowely gets higher every hour with a few procent.
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Until the phone starts having problems, why worry? With every new device there are threads like this with people obsessing over the amount of free RAM their devices show, but honestly you can just leave Windows Mobile to deal with the RAM itself and you'll never have a problem. There's no need to try and recover all the RAM that you think should be free. The OS will take care of it.
I have the same problem. My guess is it a memory leak in some apps. ITs no big deal, because there is lots of free memory and if it really bugs me, I can do a soft reset every now and then.
Yes, it is not a problem to me until now as there are plenty of RAM available!
I just curious about the kinds of program that consume the memory??
From my observation, WM OS is not doing the job of memory management well.
SiliconS said:
Until the phone starts having problems, why worry? With every new device there are threads like this with people obsessing over the amount of free RAM their devices show, but honestly you can just leave Windows Mobile to deal with the RAM itself and you'll never have a problem. There's no need to try and recover all the RAM that you think should be free. The OS will take care of it.
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Clearing your browser cache will retrieve some of it
(unless you have it to cache to the storage card)
I don't bother too much with this as it does not seem to become a problem.
But, I don't "load and leave" applications. I also generally do a soft reset once a week.
However, in SK Tools there is a "FreeUP RAM" application as part of the suite. I just ran it and it recovered 2 mbytes (a bit less than 1 %)
@ Swantony001 :
Hi, there is a thead about stopping Active-Sync activating itself all the time.
Works perfectly for me.
See here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463013&highlight=active
Greetings,
go42
the memory leak does cause problems for me, well with tomtom7 it does. sometimes i get the message "not enough memory" unpon booting TT and am forced to do a soft reset.
its not often, but the fact it happens piddles me off!
Hi, guys!
I've noticed the same thing! Something consumes active memory!!!
I watched some processes... So "cprog.exe" and "device.exe" eat memory from time to time.
I use Soft Reset once a day or in two days.
If anyone gets a new WWE ROM with that bug being fixed, please, let me know .
Memory consumption is not a big problem now, but it's a bit annoying...
jonajuna said:
the memory leak does cause problems for me, well with tomtom7 it does. sometimes i get the message "not enough memory" unpon booting TT and am forced to do a soft reset.
its not often, but the fact it happens piddles me off!
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Damn never experienced this problem before *touches wood*
Yeah i have experience the memory leaking up starting from 38% to 44% in a matter of hours.
No biggie, but if it comes down to problems like jonajuna experienced then, yes that is a problem.
Sometimes I just hate my phone. I have an AT&T HTC Pure. I haven't done any modifications to the ROM or anything, just installing a few apps. Today my phone turned itself off due to low battery, so I put it on the charger for a couple hours. When I needed it again I turned it on and the HTC TouchFLO 3D loaded, showing my background and the big ugly clock along with my appointments. I noticed after a few minutes the time was off by... a few minutes. The screen had completely frozen. I couldn't use the slider at all. There goes my People, Music, Calendar, Weather, and Programs tabs I use all the time. I soft reset and it comes back, looking normal. I go to use the slider and it freezes in mid-motion... never to move again. I press the Start button and my Start menu comes up. I close the Start menu and I can still see it, although it doesn't respond and the X is gone from the upper right-hand corner. I tap the Notifications bar and my notifications show up. I click close and it's still up, just not responding to taps (frozen is my guess). I've reset it a multitude of ways now all with the same result... even taking out the battery.
I don't get this. It was working fine just a short while ago. I've reset the thing before and not had this problem. I haven't installed any apps since the last time I had to turn it off due to low battery, and it came up fine from that. What could be causing this?
The real thing is this has happened before. It's like if it ever has to reload the TouchFLO interface it just bombs 1 out of 20 times. Hell I was playing around with Android for the thing, which resets the phone when you want to go back into Windows, and not had this problem the whole time I was testing it. If my phone shuts down, roll the dice and I might get lucky enough for it to come back without this problem.
I resolved it before by doing a hard reset. Lost all my stuff. That sucks for what seems no good reason at all. It's not like I was modifying system files or screwing with registry settings. It isn't even a custom ROM.
Any insight on what could be causing this, and how to get it back to normal?
I'm regretting not buying an Android phone every day anyway, but thanks to 2yr service agreements and lack of sufficient disposable income to dump AT&T I'm stuck with this thing for a while.
Thanks in advance for any help and understanding!
Your issue is that you are on the stock ROM.
That's why XDA exists, because stock ROMs are full of bloatware, eating up memory, and lacking any performance tweaks.
Cooked ROMs are not a cause of issues but a solution.
I hated my phone out of the box, but now it rocks...
With that, if you are going to stay stock, I suggest you get a backup program and hard reset.
At this point I'm very interested in custom ROMs, yet I know little about them. Looks like its time to get on it and read up what I can.
reptiletim said:
At this point I'm very interested in custom ROMs, yet I know little about them. Looks like its time to get on it and read up what I can.
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Start with the Hard SPL thread. A link is located in the 2nd sticky.
This is the precursor to flashing a custom ROM.
Once successful, you can cruise the ROM forum for the ROM of your liking.
It's things like this that make me so glad I found this site
You can try installing "CleanRAM" and running it after every initial boot to clear excess memory. You can also configure CleanRAM to schedule your memory cleaning. I recommend you to use "Level 2" cleaning though.
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You can try installing "CleanRAM" and running it after every initial boot to clear excess memory. You can also configure CleanRAM to schedule your memory cleaning. I recommend you to use "Level 2" cleaning though.
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Unfortunately CleanRAM does absolutely nothing. When TouchFLO 3D re-loads it lasts almost literally 2 seconds before freezing at whatever I'm doing. I've even used the customized process cleaner to stop as many processes as I could (or just manila.exe) and it still will freeze when the interface comes up.
I've been able to get it to the standard Windows Default look and it works now, so that will enable me to back up what I'm going to. If I'm going to have to do a hard reset anyway, might as well put something better on there.
Maybe this might help
i experianced the same problem and the cause was i sync my entire e-mail acc. on the pure and it ran ok untill i restarted it and it boom hanged.
So i cleaned up the entire messaging folder under \Windows\
At restarted it and it was fine
So i suggest dont sync up entire e-mail in any form i.e headers only etc.
If this helps do P.M me
I installed a custom rom from dutty, and now it completely dies while in standby, have to remove the battery to boot it up again. Looks like I traded one critical problem for another.
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I installed a custom rom from dutty, and now it completely dies while in standby, have to remove the battery to boot it up again. Looks like I traded one critical problem for another.
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Did you hard reset after flashing?
Also, which version of Dutty's did you install?
I have had an issue in the past but thought it was random - but now I am not so sure.
I consider a ROM good and stable if I can run it for at least 5 -6 days witout a single soft reset. Often I never get this far as I have flashed a new rom or installed something that needed a soft reset.
However when I do, I have noticed that after around 6 days, there will come a point where I will just lose connection to the network - not just data - vocie as well.
switching on flight mode and then back, or changing between 2g and 3g makes no difference. A soft reset clears the issue however.
This morning my phone worked as I made a call (6.5 days since last soft reset). Then I got in the car and noticed I had no reception - only a soft reset cleaed it eventually.
Can anyone think of a reason for this - is there any built in time function that might be within the sys (currently using 28244 but I am sure I have seen this before), or a software package that could cause this?
Just wondered if anyone had seen this - always seems to be after a long time with no resets, and memory use seems fine (plenty of free memory).
Cheers
I don't know what causes it, but I do agree that the best way to test a rom's stability is to see what it does w/o resetting. My record is 5 days; usually, at about 5 days, I just can't help myself and have to reset to try a registry tweak or to flash. I think it's pretty funny whenever a new build is released, and 20 min later someone posts that it's 'the most stable build ever!!!'
There are some things that occur on my device that are fixed by running Hibernate (I have a shortcut that does it with dotfred's task manager). That might work with your network problem. Also, if you have SK Tools, you could try the 'compact heaps' command. I don't know why, but the capacitative pad on my fuze as well as the buttons (I use AE button) stop working properly from time-to-time. Usually, running compact heaps (takes just a second) will fix the issue. Clean Ram does nothing for me, but I guess it's also worth a shot.
Anyway, going 6-7 days w/o a reset is pretty damn good, imo. A reset is going to be necessary sooner or later. I remember using the stock rom on my fuze (for a month or so), and that damn thing locked up a half dozen or so times per day, it sucked so bad. I also remember when I got my first winmo device (an asus mypal), I didn't know about soft resetting, and would go months at a time without doing it. One time, I was playing a game (curse of the pharoah, lol), and the device locked up on me and was completely unresponsive, so I had to hard reset because I'd never noticed the little hole on the side of the device.
I was actually attempting to reach 7 days, at which point I was going to proudly declare it a 'keeper'.
I agree that 5 days is a good benchmark standard actually, especially when you consider most of these are from essentially beta builds.
I still think this is one of the most stable builds I have used on a day to day basis.
I shall investigate the compact heaps option you mention - but where is the hibernate option on the Fdc task manager (or do you mean suspend?) as I already have that installed?
Cheers
C.
If you check the 'about' tab in dotfred's, it has a bunch of command lines you can use in shortcuts to do some pretty cool stuff. One of them is to send a hibernate call. These are the two shortcuts you need:
Hibernate:
Code:
1#\Windows\dF_TaskMgr.exe /hibernate
Compact Heaps (sk tools):
Code:
1#\windows\skstart.exe #HCS?\Windows\SKTools.exe,-221
You may need to fix the paths and or names of the exe's. You can create the compact heaps shortcut with the shortcut wizard of sk tools as well (main menu under Tools). I've got both of the shortcuts in rom, and I have them set as XTask shortcuts, so they're really easy to access and run. They come in handy from time to time. Sometimes one will clear up some ram, while the other doesn't, and vice-versa.