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Hi all,
To be honest, I don't know why many ppl complain about the EXEC.
I have been using mine for a month now.
I never did any rom upgrade, just use the original O2 rom, apart from installing it via the corporate install (o2 ext is too slow and big/useless). Then I notice my speed is quick, everything is fine. Stable and no problem. Even Tomtom 5.1 never failed on my device.
I never encounter the slowliness or bugs that other ppl is talking about with my original rom.
Does anyone else agree with me?
To be honest, I think perhaps the buggy version is the original HTC rom.
I do agree with you. To be honest, I do feel it's slower than my old XDAIIs, but that's probably because the programs haven't been properly optimised for WM5 and WM5 itself is still very buggy. Yet, it's still very useable and I don't feel that it's too slow for regular usage. It has also been perfectly stable!
To be honest for me it sucks..
Changed to corporate install yet too slow.
Available storages (RAM and Flash) to less around 40-50 meg each.
Some of programs doesn't work when installed on SD storage.
And yet to get Tomtom running..
Feeling disappointment with Exec.
slower than my old XDAIIs
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I only saw a glimpse of an Exec in action so I couldn't really judge the speed, but I hope you're wrong about that. The 2s is horribly slow!
The XDA2 performed almost as fast as a device with a 400mhz processor should. The XDA2s had an improved processor and memory and yet managed to be much slower and far less stable. The XDA Exec has a far faster processor and yet manages to run even slower?!?!?! WTF?!?! Does nobody else see a problem here?
Perhaps if HTC tried to make their next PPC slower it will end up performing better? I mean, my 400mhz, 128mb RAM XDA2s struggles to run a simple caller ID program quick enough for me to tell who is calling before they hang up.
My 10mhz (guesstimate) nokia 5110 in 1998 had working caller ID. This leads me to a simple conclusion: either we're lied to about proccessing power and memory specs of our PPCs OR the people who program windows mobile are ****tards. I'm leaning towards the second option
Why not just do soem simple product testing and spend 2 weeks resolving issues before selling these things as a working product?! I'm sure it wouldn't kill them!
Rant over.
I think the slow came from WM5 CE ROM , I did try Dopod 900 ROM flush to O2 Exec the speed better than O2 ROM
Xda IIs if upgrade to WM5 and overloack to 530 that speed better than Exec , but depend how you used and how you look for ,I think you remember how we used pentium II or III or Iv samething will come with PPC.
mike freegan - I'm with you regarding the lack of product testing. I use PDAs and Smartphones from Symbian and Palm so I know what sort of quality one should expect. A lot of PPC/WM5 users (fans?) say that the JJ/Exec is a PDA and therefore we should not epxect too much from the phone functionality. Well I disagree as the JJ/Exec has video and voice calling - why have these if they are not really functional? I am certain the issue is software development, integration & testing. I think we'll have to wait 6 months before WM5 problems have been sorted, in time for Vista! Also regarding speed, this is to do with the hardware architetcure. Using flash memory for persistent storage does make the overall performance slower and the high res screen must require more processing for rendering etc. So I think we need to wait for JJ II or Exec2 for hardware improvements (like more fast RAM).
Don't know about the Exec vs XDAIIs, but my JasJar is a definite step forward from my PDA2K.
I haven't experienced any of the millions of problems being reported either, so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones!
tested a friend's xda exec (can't seem to find a good deal for a universal here in the US) and it works fine ... as for myself, i'm stuck with my o2 xda 2s until a good option for me to get either the xda exec, htc wizard or the sonyericsson p990 ...
since upgrading my xda 2s with O2 UK's latest ROM i've rarely reset my phone. the only major upgrade i did with O2 UK's ROM was to upgrade the radio to 1.13 ... never had any problems with it and use both the blackberry connect and the exchange active sync functions on it and it works fine ...i've used the terminal services and VNC functions on my phone to log on to the different servers i maintain within a local network and from externally and they have a good connections the only issue would be the obvious limitation of screen size .... bluetooth is ok compared to my sony ericsson p910i but the 2s is more of a pda than the p910 ....
can't wait for my next upgrade .... damn if only the US would actually realize that we're 4 years behind everybody else when it comes to mobile technology ....
@difensore, is the Treo 700w an option for you on Verizon using Evdo (which is better for speed then the Euro UMTS)
I'm using JasJar for over one month now, and I can say that it's a fantastic device, there is no doubt there are some bugs, but due to the softwares installed on devices which had no enough time to be tested properly.
If you want to proove this, just hard reset your device, and use it before installing any software and you will see the difference, with me it worked like a charm.
Universal is a fantastic and amaizing device.
It's a new technology, the smallest and the lightest lap top I've ever seen.
Regards,
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The 2s is horribly slow!
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This is true if you've left all the o2 software running on it. Without the o2 software and with proper task managers running, it runs as fast as any Pocket PC should. Not as quick as a wish, but enough to function very well as both a phone and a Pocket PC!
This applies to both the XDAIIs and the XDA EXEC, in my humble opinon!
If anyone has removed *every* O2 active application from the startup and it still runs slow, I'd love to hear from you guys!
Hi
Has anybody migrated from the XdaIIs, to the Wizard? is it worth it, or would it mean downgrading to something inferior?
I'm thinking about replacing my blue Angel by the Wizard, but i'm not sure if it's worth it.
Any views very very welcome!
Cheers
I migrate forom Dell X50v and Nokia 6630 on Qtek 9100. Nice! I wondeful!!!
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I migrate forom Dell X50v and Nokia 6630 on Qtek 9100. Nice! I wondeful!!!
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huh?
i'd rather have a wizard than a blue angel.. but i guess if you had a BA then it might not be that much different to justify the upgrade... maybe if the phone was free or cheap.
Wizard is smaller, compacter, keyboard is loads better, but the wizard is a lot slower
thanks - very helpful.
The wizard on TMobile UK is free on Web'n'walk 200, so that's fine.
Do you use avantgo or pocket informant on your wizard? Is it a problem with the slower processor speed?
I've just gone from a Blue Angel to a Wizard. Wizard is much better
Its a lot more reliable, feels much smaller and the keyboard is outstanding compared to the BA.
Just my opinion.
Lewis
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I've just gone from a Blue Angel to a Wizard. Wizard is much better
Its a lot more reliable, feels much smaller and the keyboard is outstanding compared to the BA.
Just my opinion.
Lewis
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Me too. Double ditto that..
Regards
Chris
I'm not sure where the lots slower comes from, because I find mine just as fast as my Mini, and the Mini has a faster processor than the IIs.
That is unless you install that crap at hard reset. I didn't, and have a clean device
On my device I have:
* TCPMP
* Total Commander
* PHM Regedit and PPC Plus
* SPB GPRS and Pocket Plus
* Opera Mini (MIDlet one)
* MS Stock Scramble (MS Games Pack)
* Monopoly
* Macromedia Flash ActiveX
* AvantGo 5.7
* Skype 1.2 Beta
* Agile Messenger (the free one)
* AE Uptime
* PocketRAR
I have all this installed on the internal ROM with 12.5Mb free.
I came from a PDA2k and think the Wizard is a much better device. As already stated it's seems to be a more reliable device. Much better keyboard. One handed browsing in landscape (with keyboard open) is also good. I don't really notice is being much slower, but maybe that's just me.
BA to wizard
was always very happy with teh BA (qtek 9090) except the way you have to soft reset every now and then (bless), the battery falls out whenever it wants to (less forgiveable) and the person on the other end of the phone can't hear you.
Oh, and it's like carrying a small brick, and I never use the slide out keyboard.
Do any Wizard users notice an improvement on any of these fronts, and does Tomtom 5 work ok (I assume it has a smaller screen than BA).
Many thanks
Hi pounana
Yes, all of those problems with the blue angel you note are fixed in the wizard, plus the bluetooth is light years better. ano conflicts wit wi fi either. as for tomtom, I am running 5.1 that I transferred form the supplied SD card to a mini SD that fits the wizard. Beyond the Tech on this forum has a Wizard blog with detailed install instructions. I was lucky though, as mine loaded and installed automatically no probs..
As for sceen, yes it is smaller, but very serviceable !
Hope that helps
Regards
chris
cbrow51 said:
BigDamHero wrote:
I've just gone from a Blue Angel to a Wizard. Wizard is much better
Its a lot more reliable, feels much smaller and the keyboard is outstanding compared to the BA.
Just my opinion.
Lewis
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Me too. Double ditto that..
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Chris
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Same here...so far very good!!!
double double ditto supersized
This is what I wanted from a phone: something phone sized, that also had a good camera and usable PIM/comms functionality.
I considered the universal, but it's too big (like the BA is) so I'd not carry it everywhere. Consequently, as a phone, it failed...
The Wizard is the right formfactor for my phone... I like it.
Why should we not let jasjar get involved? :lol:
It got 2 camera's video conferencing, bigger and twistable screen, yeah yeah yeah.,
I wished i had a wizzard to, but i will not sell my BlueAngel to get one,
for only a better keyboard, and somewhat better camera :lol:
Maybe in the future i will get one, but i think their to expensive to buy right now,
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Why should we not let jasjar get involved?
It got 2 camera's video conferencing, bigger and twistable screen, yeah yeah yeah.,
I wished i had a wizzard to, but i will not sell my BlueAngel to get one,
for only a better keyboard, and somewhat better camera
Maybe in the future i will get one, but i think their to expensive to buy right now,
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Well the reason may well be expalianed by your signature block... :wink:
I see you have a highly customised configuration that you probably spent hours (if not weeks and months like I did :lol: ) to get it to a state where you had decent functionality that was fairly stable.
Now take the wizard out of the box, charge the battery, switch it on and you have it right away, only better!! :wink:
Now I realise that I can never get all those "ROM cooking" hours back and some of it was really quite fun (in a masochistic kind of way :lol: ) but now it just works and I can get on with life!
Whatever floats your boat though... although I think us wizard owners are secretly starting to miss cooking our own ROMS already!!
Regards
Chris
Hello to all..
I am a newbie here and I really dont know anything about these pocketPC's..All i want to say is, I am crazy about mobiles and I hav my own mobile forum too for the Nokia. Currently I own a 6600 and 6630. I only use the Nokia S60. But this time, I wanna try out a PPC..I Really dont anything about PPC's..I will hav to learn from here..
I am really getting confused which one to buy..I want help frm you professionals..Shall i go for the Wizard or Blueangel??
I found dat wizard has 3 advantages over the BA
1)Camera
2)Keyboard
3)Weight and Looks
The only disadvantage of the wizard is the
1)processor speed
2)64MB RAM..whereas the blueangel has 128MB RAM
So we can say that the major disadvantage of the KJAM over the PDA2k is the speed of the phone and opening of applications..
Please let me know about the other advantages and disadvantages of the wizard over the blueangel.
Also tell me about the sound quality and volume of the wizard..Is it 3D sound and loud ??
I like the wizard..It looks good too..But the only thing disappointing me is the processor..It has a 200mhz processor which is kinda slow as compared to the BA..The BA has 400 mhz processor..So do you ppl think the speed really differs?? And please let me know which one u all prefer me buying??
Thank you..
Please help me in choosing the best one..and tell me the CONS and PROS of both over each other
I am currently running a ba with wm5 on it and really like it, but am thinking of getting a wizard too but for the edge technology. The processor worried me too until I did some reading. The TI Omap 850 is a dual core type processor, which should show no real speed diff from the 400mhz that is in the ba.
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uote="cyber_bilal"]Hello to all..
I am a newbie here and I really dont know anything about these pocketPC's..All i want to say is, I am crazy about mobiles and I hav my own mobile forum too for the Nokia. Currently I own a 6600 and 6630. I only use the Nokia S60. But this time, I wanna try out a PPC..I Really dont anything about PPC's..I will hav to learn from here..
I am really getting confused which one to buy..I want help frm you professionals..Shall i go for the Wizard or Blueangel??
I found dat wizard has 3 advantages over the BA
1)Camera
2)Keyboard
3)Weight and Looks
The only disadvantage of the wizard is the
1)processor speed
2)64MB RAM..whereas the blueangel has 128MB RAM
So we can say that the major disadvantage of the KJAM over the PDA2k is the speed of the phone and opening of applications..
Please let me know about the other advantages and disadvantages of the wizard over the blueangel.
Also tell me about the sound quality and volume of the wizard..Is it 3D sound and loud ??
I like the wizard..It looks good too..But the only thing disappointing me is the processor..It has a 200mhz processor which is kinda slow as compared to the BA..The BA has 400 mhz processor..So do you ppl think the speed really differs?? And please let me know which one u all prefer me buying??
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I am currently running a ba with wm5 on it and really like it, but am thinking of getting a wizard too but for the edge technology. The processor worried me too until I did some reading. The TI Omap 850 is a dual core type processor, which should show no real speed diff from the 400mhz that is in the ba.
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cyber_bilal said:
Hello to all..
I am a newbie here and I really dont know anything about these pocketPC's..All i want to say is, I am crazy about mobiles and I hav my own mobile forum too for the Nokia. Currently I own a 6600 and 6630. I only use the Nokia S60. But this time, I wanna try out a PPC..I Really dont anything about PPC's..I will hav to learn from here..
I am really getting confused which one to buy..I want help frm you professionals..Shall i go for the Wizard or Blueangel??
I found dat wizard has 3 advantages over the BA
1)Camera
2)Keyboard
3)Weight and Looks
The only disadvantage of the wizard is the
1)processor speed
2)64MB RAM..whereas the blueangel has 128MB RAM
So we can say that the major disadvantage of the KJAM over the PDA2k is the speed of the phone and opening of applications..
Please let me know about the other advantages and disadvantages of the wizard over the blueangel.
Also tell me about the sound quality and volume of the wizard..Is it 3D sound and loud ??
I like the wizard..It looks good too..But the only thing disappointing me is the processor..It has a 200mhz processor which is kinda slow as compared to the BA..The BA has 400 mhz processor..So do you ppl think the speed really differs?? And please let me know which one u all prefer me buying??
Thank you..
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Really thanks for replying..I think ill go for the K-jam.
I had a blue angel, a magician and now the Wizard.
I like the wizard very much.
Blue Angel:
Pros: quick, big screen, internal wifi (crap reception)
Cons: bulky, not comfortable in the pocket, heavy, keyboard not comfortable for lot's of typing - after a while I reverted back to the virtual keyboard, bluetooth worked TERRIBLE !!!! - lot's of noise and static - tried 3 different BA devices and 5 different BT headsets - all carp. No bluetooth voice dialing - major disadvantage. Not stable all the time, had to reset from time to time which irritated me. Terrible camera (!)
Magician:
Pros: lighter then the BA, size was reasonable, quick as the BA
Cons: no keyboard, small screen, bluetooth still crap, no BT voice dialing, no WM5, No wifi, bad camera, no so great handsfree speakerphone
Wizard:
Pros: acceptable size, great keyboard, wifi on board (802.11G - reception signal strength could be better - since i am comparing thr reception to the sandisk wifi card that i had for my magician), quad band, better camera, WM5, bluetooth FINALLY works as it should have all along which is GREAT !!!, very stable, practical and nice, good speakerphone, great sound!
Cons: I'm not sure if it's really that slower than the BA or Magician... however I'm disappointed by the CPU speed rating. Due to the mechanical design - all of the carrying cases in the market so far are a compromise - not great to say the least. Bad stylus concept, design and implementation.
So which one is the best so far?
The wizard. without a doubt.
Go for it.
Even though I've only had my device for 2 weeks, I'm already looking for the next model. I find that I'll need the SanDisk WiFi/256MB combo as I want to run the Skype, SJPhone, and Network tools from the SD card rather than use up the precious RAM. At the moment I have the Spectre WiFi card but need some extra memory.
I know, I know, someone will ask "why not use BIG STORAGE?" the reason why I won't do that is because I have a full one year's warranty on my device and should I sell my device in 6 months time (if I find a suitable upgrade model), the value would increase given that there are some warranty left for the buyer.
I didn't jump on the WM5 bandwagon yet or the new WM5 devices due to early undetected issues. Usually after 4-5 months, a lot of the early problems will be sorted by firmware releases. But yes, I plan to upgrade to the WM5.0 model in about 6 months time. But I'm starting to really like my mini
I'm getting 4 hours of continuous video play (not streaming) on my mini which I'm really happy. I have bluetooth on all the time as well.
My ideal upgrade would be the Dopod 818 Pro. All the accessories for my mini can be used with the Dopod Pro. But my main concern would be the CPU speed...I've configured my mini to run the software I need including about 5-6 plugins and a concern would be how slow the Dopod Pro would be with the same s/ware config as my mini.
Second on my list is the E-Ten M600 which I think blows the mini away with the Samsung processor which is much faster than the Intel equivalent. The M600 screen is also amazing and better than any PDA screens on the market today. Only thing is that the M600 is slightly bigger than the mini and doesn't look as good compared to the mini.
At the moment both Dopod Pro and the M600 still have early teethering problems but should be sorted in a few months time. But the mini growing so much on me right now, I may just decide to keep using it and upgrade maybe next Christmas.
The M600 is made of plastic from what I know, but also some of the new HTC devices are completely made of plastic so that might not be an alternative. There is the HTC Hermes unofficially said to be released in the first half of this year which offers UMTS and will be similar to the Wizard.
If you need WLan badly, then I would consider changing to another device, otherwise, I wouldn't give away my Magician. I also prefer Windows Mobile 2003 from WM5. The speed is often said to be slower with new devices using WM5, even when they have a faster CPU.
That's true M600 is made of plastic but that's not an issue for a lot of people. The thing I like about the M600 is the Samsung CPU (I tested the Samsung 300MHz CPU on the HP rx1950 running WM 5.0 and it was amazingly fast!) and the new tech LCD screen plus it already has working A2DP bluetooth functions, WLAN, and although camera is only 1.3MP but is comparable with the Nokias. The Dopod 818 Pro (Prophet) camera is the best 2.0MP in any PocketPC but maybe let down by poor CPU performance.
WM5.0 will gradually improve within 6 months time as more s/ware developers improve their s/ware to be WM5 compatible. Initial release bugs bugs will be ironed out of the WM5 devices.
The Magician is truly a striking PocketPC handheld no doubt about that. I won't consider any devices larger than the Magician/O2 mini but M600 is an exception (only a few mm longer and thicker). The whole point of a PocketPC phone is to have it small, light and fits nicely into your pocket like the Nokias not look like bricks in your hand :-D
I think O2 Atom, HTC Prophet (Dopod 818 Pro), and the M600 are the closest to Magician in terms of size and cosmetic features.
On the PPCSG forum people are not experiencing any performance problems with the 200MHz OMAP processor. More clock speed does NOT necessarily mean more performance. Look at the AMD vs Intel scenarion on the PCs for example! It's all about MIPS.
My next purchase will be the Dopod 818 Pro. The camera is amazing, and with a proper task manager that closes programs rather than minimising them, the speed is more than acceptable. More battery life is also welcome!
skype
hi noob,
you also can use skype on your magician after you have synced your jam via bluetooth with your pc.
i use it and there is no problem. you also can use many apps like this if you sync your jam via bt with your pc
greets
serhataga
what do u think about t-mo compact II?
hi serhataga,
what a great idea...didn't think of that one. will give it a go....kinda of using the mini as a headset.... :-D
The T-mobile MDA Compact II is the HTC Prophet (also sold as Dopod 818 Pro). I like to get my hands on one and test it for myself but unfortunately in Australia, O2 and i-Mate are the HTC resellers. No Dopod or MDA brands and buying from overseas will be a headache especially with warranties.
The biggest advantage of the MDA Compact II is that you can keep using your magician accessories with it, your cases, chargers, screen protectors, stylus etc. Also the camera is undoubtedly the BEST on any PPC to date. The CPU maybe a concern especially it's only running at 200MHz. It's fine for some users but for others it's just too slow. Best to test out a shelf display model at your local store before making a decision whether to buy.
If you are in Australia like me, you'll have to wait till i-Mate releases their version of Magician II.
I think, at least in germany, the MDA compact 2 is based on the HTC Charmer, not the Prophet. The Charmer is kind of a bad joke, since it has the (yes, it definitely is) slower 200 MHZ OMAP CPU and no WLan or keyboard. This makes it a very bad choice if you ask me. The prophet hasn't been release in germany as well, same with the Atom, which seems to be the most interesting at the moment (what about the quality of its camera by the way?).
That's right Dandie, the MDA Compact II is not like the Dopod 818 Pro. It is basically the same as the Magician but has WM5 and the OMAP processor. The prophet has more hardware buttons, 2MP camera and WiFi 801.11g! The real Magician II!!
I love my Imate Jam to death. I will not sell it but maybe give it away to my wife cos I want it to stay in the family.
I have only two devices in mind to replace my Jam... it would either be the O2 Atom or the Eten M600.
I would prefer the Atom because of it's size and built-in radio. As for the M600, I would have it compete directly with HTC because of its affordable price and a different interface.
As for my Jam, I am a very proud owner and I am glad about the progress made to it to bring new life into it. From the Big Storage Rom to A2DP and improve BT. Despite being lagged of not being able to be moved to WM5, it sure is putting up a fight and that's what I like about it... being an underdog and coming out shining.
I couldn't resist any longer and ordered a Dopod 818 pro from Expansys HK, in stock and very well priced!
The JAM is a beautiful device and the Prophet is based on it! Plus WM5, Wifi, much better camera and EDGE ...
As a side note, the 02 Atom was very tempting but the initial feedback from the people who bought it is not encouraging at all. On PPCSG forums, people who bought the Atom went back from their decision and changed it with the Prophet. The built quality of the Atom was not satisfactory, buggy software and sloooooow.
kta, give us a review of the Dopod Pro in two weeks time as to its performance. Definitely want to know about the CPU performance.
Sure, no problem
The Magician is the pioneer for a mobile phone/pda combo. You can't help but want it due to it's small size form factor. Forget about the Wizards and Universals...Magicians are the coolest PDA-Phones today
well..until the Dopod 818 Pro and E-Ten M600 take over
Hi mates, i'm going to break the line and will change to Nokia N70, less buggy and with fully funtional BT. ( F.O. Htc)
I only have a Magician now but here is what I found from recent PDA phone
I think O2 Atom is a better replacement for Magician. It even smaller than Magician and has built-in A2DP and wifi. The only drawback is it use mini-SD and we have to give up our investment on SD card.
818 Pro doesn't have build-in A2DP yet (People said they will have it in the future but who knows....) Battery life of 818 Pro is better but people complaints about it's lagginng when running multiple programs. Also, Skype is not running very good on 818 pro.
Here is a benchmark test on various PDA phone: http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=7796&sid=77e4cfd56835b0f3e33dc0da98fd7780 U may found Atom is not very attractive in the test. But for me, the 200mzh CPU of 818 Pro really worry me most....
Only one device will make me change :
The upcoming MIO Mitac A701 !!!
WOW.
Gtot
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818 Pro doesn't have build-in A2DP yet (People said they will have it in the future but who knows....)
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A2DP will defintely be available as this was comfirmed by Microsoft. AKU2.0 will have it!
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But for me, the 200mzh CPU of 818 Pro really worry me most....
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I'm surprised you say this. Just look at the your own posted benchmarks, and the 416MHz on the Atom is not really a good alternative!
Woohoo..E-Ten M600 killed 'em all at benchmark....
Atom's slowness could be a firmware issue but expect it to do better in tests 6 months time.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4190.html
Wow the Mio PDA-Phone is to die for but only thing isthat it lacks Wi-Fi, but GPS is a good compromise.....it's also around the size of a Magician
its like taking a step back in time this device is much slower than my 2 year old m1000 and keeps crashing. I slept in this morning the phone crashed (no alarm).
I love the form factor however compared to my m1000/xda
is the older magician as slow?
Readin your subject...
It hardly seams like a good advert to the phone, I have owned all XDA's and yet not the fastest is still much quicker than an xda 1, 2 and low and behold it leaves the silly xda 2i standing.
Think about it! its almost half the size, its the same when you have a laptop the smaller you go the lower the spec in many cases.
Try over clocking it. I get very good performance from it and from a point of view from someone who has every version they sell (except the Universal) I have to say this is the best one they sell. its speck on some of the items is much more than you could expect.
Ok the phone has a few problems with the ROM but thats also what you expect.
Dont putting down a excellent phone because you have not worked out how to get the best from it, and it is faster than the i-mate JAM not by much but faster.
Dont putting down a excellent phone because you have not worked out how to get the best from it, and it is faster than the i-mate JAM not by much but faster.
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Are you refering to the JAMin here? If so, you are sadly very mistaken. The original Jam runs rings around the JAMin (except graphics performance)
At the end of the day it depends on what you want. If you want a phone enabled PDA, the JAMin is a good choice. If you want a PDA enabled phone, then the original JAM is miles better.
I have the Jam and the Jamin. The Jam is a bit zippier, but in the week that I've had the Jamin I haven't noticed that it is dog slow either. In fact, since I got rid of the Extended Rom on the Jamin, on every day stuff, it is performing like the Jam. I can only assume that it will just keep getting better with future ROM upgrades. One good thing I've noticed about the Jamin is that it uses less electricity than the Jam. At comparable screen brightness, the Jam was using 110ma while the Jamin was using only 80. That's a good saving. OK I'm a newbie to the Jamin like everyone, time will tell if it stacks up.
I've got mine since a week and YES, it's slower than the S110 but the battery last for much longer. 200MHz processor against 416 and WM5 helps a lot. With the old S110 (and extended battery 1550MHa) the battery last for 2 working days (exchange sync with sms handshake), with the S200 I reach easily the 3rd day.
I've got mine since a week and YES, it's slower than the S110 but the battery last for much longer. 200MHz processor against 416 and WM5 helps a lot. With the old S110 (and extended battery 1550MHa) the battery last for 2 working days (exchange sync with sms handshake), with the S200 I reach easily the 3rd day.
Go to the Wizard forums... a bunch of resourceful souls figured ou tthe OMAP processor acceleration. I did that to my 8125 (k-jam equiv) and it makes a night and day difference. BTW: The wizard usese the same CPU as the jammin. Give it a whirl!
Hi,
I am now into week three of JAMin ownership and thought I would post a few bullet points about it compared to the JAM.
- it is slower than the JAM, but not so as to make it annoying. Use of the OMAP overclocker on Tom Tom GPS makes it totally useable. I don't really notice it now.
- battery life is a HUGE improvement. Never seen it drop below 50% yet.
- screen is a lot brighter.
- the extra buttons are great. Used with Magic Button and Vito Button mapper greatly reduces the need to use the stylus.
- the camera is very good.
- overall build quality is the same as the JAM but it just looks better.
- Memory allocation is improved. I have only had to soft reset every couple of days and only get the odd crash.
- my only real gripe just now is that there is no WM5 version of OnSpeed so I am not using it to browse just now. It is due out soon though.
Overall I am perfectly happy with the JAMin. The only real issue is the processor speed. However use of the OMAP overclocker gives you best of both worlds of speed when you need it and greater battery life when you don't (lets face it how fast does the phone need to be in standby mode?).
Regards
I have a HTC Blue Angel (also called Qtek 9090, XDA III) and I'd like to buy a HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Qtek 9000) to replace it.
However, I keep hearing that it's slow, and that it's slower than the Blue Angel.
Is this true, or are the people who say it's slow using it in a wrong way (for example using lots of memory-hungry programs at the same time)?
Anything else to look for when buying one?
If you want to get an idea of what it's REALLY going to be like, I suggest you visit the BA Upgrading Forum at xda-dev and download the TuMa v1.4 ROM of WM5 and take the plunge of upgrading your device. It will give you an apples-to-apples idea of how WM5 runs on a device with the same configuration.
There's no easy answer to your question. In short WM2003SE is faster, but the utility gained by moving to the newer OS far surpasses the benefit of speed. That's just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.
But the Universal has a faster processor than the Blue Angel.
Isn't the user experience about similar, because of the faster processor (slowness of WM 5 being compensated by the increased CPU speed)?
I think most people will tell you that the jump from the BA CPU to the Universal CPU is nominal (at best). Certainly under the WM5, this is the case.
Yes, perhaps the bump in speed for the CPU should compensate, but in reality it does so only a bit. This is because of the inherent operation of WM5 (i.e. the stuff is executed out of ROM, which is slower than RAM).
For details see Mike C.'s excellent post http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/19/453784.aspx
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I have a HTC Blue Angel (also called Qtek 9090, XDA III) and I'd like to buy a HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Qtek 9000) to replace it.
However, I keep hearing that it's slow, and that it's slower than the Blue Angel.
Is this true, or are the people who say it's slow using it in a wrong way (for example using lots of memory-hungry programs at the same time)?
Anything else to look for when buying one?
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Hi,
Upgraded from the BA (Orange M2000) to Universal (Orange M5000)
I can honestly say that the M5000 is slower - i dont think the devices fault but WM5!
After having the M500 for 2-3 weeks now and then going back to look at the M2000's screen there is a massive difference. Due to that I wouldnt consider going back to the M2000.
The M5000 is a fantastic device and is a bit slower than the M2000 but more than makes up for it in other ways.
Just my penneth.
Matt
So it seems
I have both devices both running wm5. The Blue angle seems to have more running memory but I'm not positive how much memory the wm5 OS can handle
Unfortunately:
YES, its slower
Maybe wait for WM5SE (Codename Crossbow).
short answer: It's worth it
Ady is right.
100% Worth it !
My contribution....
I moved from BA to Universal. I use both very simply....phone, email, internet etc...bit of tomtom
No strange apps, no mods, boring old o2 ROMs.....
and I think the Universal is slower....but only slightly and not so it would really bother you. :wink:
And anyway, the Universal looks so much better so just get it!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
HPJ
I have both and I find the Universal is a lot slower, even when running it at 624MHz.
Blame WM5, though, not HTC.
I bought it
I have just bought a Qtek 9000 (HTC Universal) and a Corsair 133X SD card, so I can access the data quickly.
It's a bit slower than the Blue Angel, indeed. But, for some things, it is faster:
- Pocket IE doesn't lock up for 2 minutes when loading complex web sites
- browsing is faster because of the 3G
- Pocket Word loads complex documents faster
Overall, I'm very pleased with the upgrade.
I think that I don't feel the slowness because I don't use programs which put themselves on the TODAY screen - I configure the PDA to show the date and the calendar, and that's it.
In my view the VGA compensates all drawbacks of the speed issues...
really fantastic with PIE and Adobe Reader PPC 2.0
Does Wizard have same CPU as Universal
I have a Blue Angel running WM2003SE and a Wizard running WM5. BA is MUCH faster. Does the Wizard have the same CPU as the Universal?
If I flashed the BA to WM5 would it be as slow as the Wizard? Could the BA be overclocked with 'Omap..'?
Which ROM would you suggest for running WM5 on the BA?
Thanks.
Dude--the Wizard CPU is a jalopy compared to the Universal's hotrod. That's not a fair comparison at all. The only true comparison would be with a HTC Alpine device which runs the same CPU as the Universal.
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Dude--the Wizard CPU is a jalopy compared to the Universal's hotrod. That's not a fair comparison at all. The only true comparison would be with a HTC Alpine device which runs the same CPU as the Universal.
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The Wizard is certainly slow but has a useable keyboard and 3G WiFi unlike the BA.
Any response to my other questions?
I am expecting a Prophet in the next week, is it the same CPU as the Wizard (and no keyboard at all)?
This is all off-topic so if you have a question about the Prophet or Wizard or the BA, you should post it in the appropriate forum. The answers to all your questions already exist. Please use the search function. That's why it's there.
On to my reponse:
Useable keyboard? Perhaps, but you will find as many haters of that keyboard, as well--Although I agree it's better than the BA's. And no, the Wizard does not have a 3G radio. It has EDGE (which is more like 2.5G). Yes, it has WiFi, but so does the BA. How is that any different?
The Prophet has no keyboard and has the same '****ty' OMAP CPU as the Wizard. I was using this lame ass CPU with HP's 6315 almost two years ago. It sucks. Software-based enhancements make the new ROMs for the Wizard and Prophet more responsive, but it's still what it is. Which is S.L.O.W.
There are huge threads devoted to the BA WM5 experience. Try the TuMa 1.4 ROM or the newest Ivan release. Please browse through the BA Upgrading forum for details (I suggest this to the OP, as well). I doubt the 'overclocked OMAP' could ever match the raw CPU power of the Xscale CPU. I am not going to get into a war over CPU architecture here.
My .02 hilala as they say here in Saudi Arabia.