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Re:Best software for WM5.0 to date...by far!!

Re:Best software for WM5.0 to date...by far!!
Hi all. I cannot take credit for the best bit of software I have come across since purchasing my Jasjar. All credit most deservedly goes to sub69 for pointing me in the right direction. 8)
Read this thread to understand why:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=30412
Like most people on this forum, I joined xda-developers to solve my own problems whilst trying to help others solve theirs if I am able. I've been cursing left right and center for 3 weeks now about the performance of the Jasjar even though i still love the device. However one of my big complaints related to memory usage/leakage as I believed it affected the jasjars performance and through many trials and errors and lows, I almost sold it due to feeling I was not getting what I paid for. I felt that the jasjar was slow and underperformed.
I retract all former negative comments I made in relation to it being slow. Whilst looking for a simple application (with a small memory footprint) that would close all running apps without the rigmaroll of hunting down the 'settings' tab .I tried several different programs and all fell short in one way or another...till now (including Wisbar Advance 2.4.1..., Spb 3.0.1 and MagicButton (small footprint))!
Sub69 pointed me in the direction of GSPocketMagic and claimed it was the most stable program he had tried. Thought I'd give it a go too. Am I over the moon that I did.
This software does EXACTLY what it says it does.....well for me anyhow. :lol: Even better, it very much appears to have ironed out alot of my performance/speed issues with the jasjar! It has sped up browsing of the O/S and access to applications and gives me greater control of navigation in a simple manner. For me it has been Rock solid. I've only been testing it for about 5 hours+, but it hasn't slowed down once and has not dropped below 12MB of Program memory (I started with 27MB) & it maintains its speed whilst I upurposely ran 12 programs simulatneously (including video, music, photo slide show, word mobile, powerpoint, resco radio etc..)and then connected to wi-fi, surfed the net (faster I might add -not the loading of new web pages, but of cached ones) and posted on this forum. Almost Everything has improved by at least 30% or more (speed gain) and whilst I still get some jerking in high res 640x480 vid playback, it too seems more stable.
I don't understand how this has happened. All I had previously installed was TCPMP and Resco radio ! :?
Bearing in mind I had even overclocked my jasjar (no longer needed) with PocketHackMaster 2005, which, for me, did not yield results as favourable as this has.
The only logical conclusion I have been able to come up with is that GSPocketMagic has overridden some default settings/application that was somehow holding my Jasjar back! Overridden a bug in other words & this seems possible as it loads first after a soft reset, therefore taking precedence over anything else that may have usually performed some of its functions. Anyway that's just a theory.
For anyone like sub69 who have experienced relatively few problems with their universal, you might not notice any difference, but for anyone who is still suffering performance issues, I urge you to try this. You have nothing to loose & no of course I don't work for the company. I've just had to wait 3 weeks to start seeing the manifestation of the beast I believed the Jasjar was supposed to be. :lol:
Sorry about the long post people, but I've shared in alot of the misery many of you have been complaining about & at £700 it's about time we got some positive results.
thanks again to sub69. 8)

I can confirm that this programme is small and perfectly funcitonal for closing apps. If you're battling with PocketPlus for some reason, then this is definitely the way to go.

So do you have a URL where I can download it from?

Just have a look in the original thread he mentioned ;-) it´s
http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=1276
- SUperbowl

Joe you could have opened the topic that was suggested
http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=1276
good luck

Hi, is it possible to use it without replacing the current Today page and Start Menu?
Which CAB file do I install?

Yes, there's an option to set the 'click' to open the "Start Menu" (the default is "Menu") You could then set "Tap & Hold" to close all tasks or maybe to open the GSPM++ Menu.
I use "GSPMagic.xscaleE.cab" for the english version.

Here you go. A bitmap to use instead of he built in WM2002 windows flag.

CJSnet said:
Which CAB file do I install?
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GSPMagic.xscaleE.CAB for english on JJ
Sub69, nice start button, now the flawless look sets it off

sub69 said:
Here you go. A bitmap to use instead of he built in WM2002 wibdows flag.
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Where do I put this? The current program's bitmaps are all together in one file.
Are other people finding this program somehow magically overrides some settings or bugs?
Do I have to keep closing tasks to keep up good performance?

This is the only button you can change as far as I know. Put it anywhere, and on the Basic tab of the GSPM++ settings screem, choose Bitmap as the Image, and browse to the saved .bmp
I don't have to keep closing tasks, but mackaby may have a different opinion on this, as he was having more problems with the JasJar's performance in the first place?

CJSnet said:
sub69 said:
Here you go. A bitmap to use instead of he built in WM2002 wibdows flag.
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Where do I put this? The current program's bitmaps are all together in one file.
Are other people finding this program somehow magically overrides some settings or bugs?
Do I have to keep closing tasks to keep up good performance?
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Put in anywhere you like, then go to the menu: start-option-setting. Change to Bitmap and point to your new start menu bitmap.
The less programs you keep in memory, the better the performance, so close your apps instead of building up in mem.

Ok Sub69, you where there just before me.......tnx for the nice bitmap!

WM 2005 was supposed to deal with this issue. But I find that the build in close button of WM 2005 does not close at all. Amazing MS didn't find a solution for this problem yet.
The great thing about GSPM is that it also closes the phone application, where Magic button cannot deal with this properly.

sub69 said:
I don't have to keep closing tasks, but mackaby may have a different opinion on this, as he was having more problems with the JasJar's performance in the first place?
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Quite true, that was the case for me, but no more. It doesn't really matter wether I close down applications or not, my speed is always up, unless I run videos at the same time in windows media player and TCPMC (that was accidental by the way).
Like I said, it's worked for me, and I had performance issues. If you don't have any, maybe you you won't see any improvement in performance, but it is still a very useful and stable application.

Oh, don't get me wrong it definitely speeds things up a bit for me too. It's only when you mentioned it that I really noticed though. I've been installing and uninstalling so many different things it's hard to keep track of what might be making a difference!!
Anyway, it's the best task manager I've used on my JasJar, and the performance boost is a welcome bonus!

Two Soft keys issue is back!
Small problem, some of us have noticed that the 2 soft keys keep dissapearing and reappearing after soft-resets. I thought I had this sussed last night, but I was wrong. It's my only issue with this software but not enough to put me off it.
mig31 suggested we might contact the developers of the software, as they would more than likely be able to fix this quicker than we could. I second that.
Gotta work at the mo, but unless someone else is willing to get in touch with the developers of GSPocketMagic, I'll get around to it in the week and post the outcome of our communications. Otherwise, all's well with this app. :wink:

I just wish I cud understand why (and if) it speeds up the device, even if u dont close apps. I'm a bit dubious if it's actually doing anything otherwise, without some benchmarks :S

if anyone finds gs++'s source code, please pm me.
V

I noticed that the 2 bottom soft keys disappear when you click "Close all". May be there is a way to add this in the "Exlude task Close" somehow

jasjar is SLOOOOOOOOOOW

hello there :lol:
i removed practically everything that i could remove from the ram , as well as the extended rom , i also removed memory indicators from today screen, and disabled error reporting.
i noticed A LOT of useless stuff in the windows folder , unremovable offcourse , (like a 4mb lost in 2 themes files ) .
also i noticed that u cannot reallocate ram (storage/program) memory through the elegent slider that was there before.
yet the major crisis in this device is the lack of a backup utility ... I desperatly need help about this , i couldnt find any third party software to backup system.
Is there any way to enable removing of unnecessary files in windows folder :?:
Device is still crowling ... PLease help ...

hard reset and don't install the customizations

look at the wiki, there's a lot of hacks to make you're jasjar run faster

dddrko said:
look at the wiki, there's a lot of hacks to make you're jasjar run faster
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I'm sure I am just missing them, but where are the hacks you mention that address speed on the Wiki? I am familiar with, and have used several of the ones there (i.e. MS Voice Command via Bluetooth Headset).
I'm just not seeing anything addressing the disappointngly slow speed of my Qtek 9000.

The Universal will never run as fast as you'd expect a 520Mhz device to run as the flash memory limits the speed (and the screen rendering will also slow down the device). You know my old Gateway PC from 1996 (200Mhz and 64MB RAM) was very impressive compared to my Universal when you look at the Universal's hardware!

upgrade to the beta release from imate, its fast
wiki registry backs to the menus etc will speed it up, better memory storage etc
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Registry
a bit old but
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31697
If speed is your beef, go the upgrade, its beta, but faster

still
i did the upgradde , and did not install the customizations , applied all the hacks , and it s still slow :x , the change was too little to b noticed ...
my goodness , what to do ... ?
p.S: what is the flash memory ???

there is no way it can be slow after that upgrade
everybody says its way fast, not just me
what extra software are you running? Was it slow prior to additional software?
SPB?

I find Jasjar slow too. Especially coming from XDA O2 IIi, it's much faster IMO. I considered myself to be very fast with PDA. But now, I have to wait for a few second before I could proceed to the next task.

9 mnths on what is the definitive best ROM out there guys?!

I'd love to know what is the best of the best . . .

have use the O2, Qtek and Dopod but not on the same versions but I would say that Dopod's latest version works really well for me.

could you te me why?
I switched from T Mob Bloat Rom to the Qtek one.
I'd be interested to hear why you think it is so good.
Anyone else got a fave??
lr

I have been using an O2 Rom from the beginning of the year, and it is so very slow.
So I am rather keen to know what would be the best upgrade too.. Cheers!

looking in the other forum it looks like the dopod is quite good - again no friggin idea why!!!!

well for starters, they do not install a lot of aditional items. The only item installed is Voice Commander and that also is removable. In fact, when you do a hard reset and let the configuration run, you get almost 39mb of ROM space which is a lot in my opinion. Uninstall the Voice Commander and you get some more if you want to. There aren't even any additional themes like those installed on the iMate.

pretty kool - isn't voice commander any good then?

well its not too bad. supposed it can read your unread sms but i have yet to test it out.
though some like microsoft voice command as it announces who is calling.
i guess at the end of the day, it depends on what you need.

From my point of view, Qtek-9000 rom (whitout ext rom loaded) is the best one. It's light-weight, compact and fast enough than others. With some registry/memory tweaks, this is the fastest rom i ever used.

ranju said:
From my point of view, Qtek-9000 rom (whitout ext rom loaded) is the best one. It's light-weight, compact and fast enough than others. With some registry/memory tweaks, this is the fastest rom i ever used.
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could you share with us what are the tweaks that you used?

Find the CAB attached. A restart is required after the installation.
The tweaks included in the CAB is mostly collected from the internet. But carefully tuned to get the best performance from Qtek-9000 (ROM). Universal has only 64mb RAM so that I tuned the registry to balance max free memory and best performance.
You will have an option (Settings>System>Power) in the processor tab to set the speed either Standard or Turbooooooooooooooo!
Turbo provides more processing speed but drains your battery toooooooooo!
Enjoy! :lol:

what does turbo mode do ??? it does not change cpu speed, so , what does it do '???
thanks

And please do post a list of the tweaks you have in the cab. I thought I could choose which ones to run but I guess not.
If I uninstall your cab with it revert to the previous registry entries?

adolfotregosa said:
what does turbo mode do ??? it does not change cpu speed, so , what does it do '???
thanks
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The Standard behavior of the XScale processor is to run in dynamic mode, which means CPU usually tooks less power and switched in hi power mode only when an application asked it. But in Turbo mode, it runs in hi-power mode always and as a result you are getting better performance.

Ranju: is it for T-mobile only? I tried to install it (Qtek 9000) but it was neglected. (can't install it). Can the tweaks be manually done? If so: what are they?

ok but that implies changing the cpu speed and that isn't happening

Had to restore my backup... I removed the cab, which didn't unistall it completely. Tried to run it again and it wouldn't install (because it never removed the files it put in during the 1st install).
I like what you did, and I would kill to have a UI to pick and choose the changes I want applied. Right now there's not even a list of what's in there, which is why I tried to remove it in the first place.
It's a nice enough idea though.

ok ,it does not change the speed but picodrive runs MUCH smother !! i'll try to do this "feature" with XCPUScalar2006_v2.98 so i can use "speedstep" to save battery

Uni speed and ROMs

We use the Universal for speech systems for people with disabilities. However the speed of the device is marginal for us, because the system itself uses a massive (30%+) fraction of the processor time even when the system is at idle.
I've just been asked if using any alternate ROM images might help speed the device up much, and I haven't got a clue. Help!
Does anyone know if any of the ROM images that are out there makes a significant difference to the speed of the universal? Is there a ROM image around which completely removes all phone functionality (not all our users use the phone)?
I'd be very grateful for any guidance, before we start trying ROM images at random...
Stuart

Hello, first of all, -and I'm not sure about this- I think that the ROMs images are not available at this site's FTP anymore.
Then, if you can have a ROM, prefer the "plain vanilla" ones, unless you might need several extra programs, if you need speed, you need a light and simple ROM, there are several of them, from Helmi's, to Ivan's and others that I just can't remember now, look out in the posts and find a stable one to use, test it with your app until you think is the right one.
Alternatively you can increase your CPU's clock, but this drains the battery faster, a solution for this might be to install a larger battery, your use of the uni might permit all of these things.
I haven't tested any custom ROMs, but I have a friend with a uni that has installed in its uni a Helmi's ROM, I saw it, it seems quite speedier than my T-mobile one, he told me that the voice tags call fuction didn't work and something else, but, was it faster indeed.
bye

stuartaw said:
We use the Universal for speech systems for people with disabilities. However the speed of the device is marginal for us, because the system itself uses a massive (30%+) fraction of the processor time even when the system is at idle.
I've just been asked if using any alternate ROM images might help speed the device up much, and I haven't got a clue. Help!
Does anyone know if any of the ROM images that are out there makes a significant difference to the speed of the universal? Is there a ROM image around which completely removes all phone functionality (not all our users use the phone)?
I'd be very grateful for any guidance, before we start trying ROM images at random...
Stuart
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have you tried to kill useless proggy at startup???
if you want i may be able to make a clean rom for you...
actually try increasing the pagingpool a simple hexedit on existing roms (wm6 section of this forum look for helmi's kitchen)

Thanks for the suggestions so far.
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have you tried to kill useless proggy at startup???
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I've tried killing everything I can. The processor is occupied by one thread within devices.exe; and I can't really kill that process... Everything else had minimal/no impact.
Stuart

What application are you using to identify process usage? 30% sounds very high to me.

PaulMdx said:
What application are you using to identify process usage? 30% sounds very high to me.
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The remote tools in Visual Studio. Shows 1%-4% processor usage at idle for other PDAs, 30-35% for TyTN and Universal (the only 2 HTC machines I had access to). I used the kernel tracker thing to track execution, and it was one particular thread in devices.exe which was both busy, and also, sometimes, thrashing around at <100 micro-s frequency.
This figure does fit with our other experiences. The particular speed problem we have is with a library which is spec-ed to work on any machine with 400Mhz+ processor. Works fine on other machines, including some quite old PDAs, but has 'issues' due to slow processor on the Universal and is simply unusable on the TyTN.
I couldn't find anything I could do to improve this in RAM - and a colleague asked if any of the alternate ROMs might help - and I've haven't got a clue, but hoped someone might know if any of the ROMs are visibly faster.
Stuart

Have you tried changing the default clock speed?
Hi Stuart,
I think there are a lot of applications out there which allow you to overclock and change the clock speed of Xscale CPU's. Things like XCPUScalar 2007. If you look at this thread(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304786)you should be able to find some useful information regarding scaling the CPU speed, hope this helps.
Will.

[Q] How to speed up memory acess on RA2?

I've waited for a while to see how everything would develop, but RA2 just remains slow as hell.
I'm getting main memory write of ~1700 and read of ~6100.
Storage card gets stuck at ~650 write and ~ 2600 read.
It's drama. Did anyone find a way to improve this, or must we start PM'ing tnyynt?

All I did was reflash back to the R1 firmware. I didn't see anything in the R2 that was better. So unless I missed something, I just went back to the R1 with the tweaks and it seems to be a lot smoother and quicker than the R2. Just my .02

I think and maybe wrong here, but the r2a roms are using a different memory model, that caches a lot more.
I've found that letting wm control the cache works best.
16mb pagepool is also good
despite the benchmarks I definitely find r2a faster than 1, inclduing sdcard access.
have you tried spb benchmarks "real world" tests, using word etc?

fards said:
I think and maybe wrong here, but the r2a roms are using a different memory model, that caches a lot more.
I've found that letting wm control the cache works best.
16mb pagepool is also good
despite the benchmarks I definitely find r2a faster than 1, inclduing sdcard access.
have you tried spb benchmarks "real world" tests, using word etc?
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So what exactly did you change?
I haven't tried a SPB benchmark. I know SKtools isn't the most reliable test, but I think that the numbers I gave you tell us enough; it's not good.

Angelusz said:
I've waited for a while to see how everything would develop, but RA2 just remains slow as hell.
I'm getting main memory write of ~1700 and read of ~6100.
Storage card gets stuck at ~650 write and ~ 2600 read.
It's drama. Did anyone find a way to improve this, or must we start PM'ing tnyynt?
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Can you verify that the registry entries from the cab have been indeed written to the registry?
If yes, use a tweaking program to verify File System Cache is enabled and set according to SD TuneUp.
Write operations should not be cached by default, so that result I seem fair but the SD read result I find low. What was your result on the previous ROM?

I checked and I think I found the issue. The settings are not applied indeed.
Funny thing is, I can't change them. I've tried with SOTI Pocket controller, as well as with SKtools' regeditor. The registry keys cannot be modified! Will try in another way, will post results.
EDIT: After some more thorough inspection, I found something is wrong.
The registry does show the correct HEX keys. In decimal however, it shows completely the wrong thing!
For instance the DWORD CardDetectControlMask:
In tnyynt SDtuneup.cab
Hexidecimal: fffff3ff
Decimal: -3073
In my registry:
Hexidecimal: fffff3ff
Decimal: 4294964223
How can this be explained? I've never seen HEX differ from decimal before..
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Third inspection shows me that the registry doesn't like a "-". In your CAB, - values are used. I can now modify positive values (took the SD card out), but can't enter minus.

Angelusz said:
EDIT: After some more thorough inspection, I found something is wrong.
In tnyynt SDtuneup.cab
Hexidecimal: fffff3ff
Decimal: -3073
In my registry:
Hexidecimal: fffff3ff
Decimal: 4294964223
How can this be explained? I've never seen HEX differ from decimal before..
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i can explain this one. (i will use h for hexadecimal numbers and d for decimal numbers and b for binary numbers)
normally FFFFF3FFh =4294964223d in 32bits
but in binary you can not enter "-" in a cpu registry only 0 and 1
and you can only do addition. So to do 5d-2d they must do 5d+(-2d).
but (-2d ) can not be express in ordinary binary.
the example is only on 4bits
5d=0101b
2d=0010b
3d=0011b
the result must be 3d=011b
0101b
+xxxxb
_____
0011b
we find that xxxxb=1110b=(-2d) but 1110b also = 14d !!!
it works because of a registry overflow. on 4 bits you can only count up to 15 normally 0101b+1110b = 10011b -> 5 bits but only 4 bits can be stored so the one on the left is not in memory. so the result of the operation is 0011b.
the shortest way to find the representation of (-2d) is
take the biggest number on the number of bits you use. remove the absolute value of the negative number you are are looking for and add 1.
(computer can not do binary subtraction but human can )
on 4 bits
1111b - 0010b +0001b =
1101b +0001b=1110b
or 15d-2d+1d =14d
now on 32bits.
3073d=00000C01h
so
-3073d=FFFFFFFFh - 00000C01h +00000001h
-3073d=FFFFFFFFh- 00000C00h
-3073d= FFFFF3FFh !!!!!
all that to say that the value in the registry are the same....LOL
all depend if you consider it or not has a negative number.
normally we use the first bit on the left to know if its a positive or negative value.

Alright. So it actually is the same. Thanks for your elaborate explanation, it's never a bad time to learn something.
So it's all in the way it's displayed. I gues WinCE cab manager does allow showing -xxxx in registry entries, where the winmo registry does not.
This does mean that the values should indeed be applied correctly. Tnyynt?

After updating my firmware I've notice, faster boot up times, and TF3D is a lot smoother. A lot. Before the update TF3D would crash my phone. It hasn't crashed yet. I wondering why you guys are experiencing a sluggish update.

yogibear2009 said:
After updating my firmware I've notice, faster boot up times, and TF3D is a lot smoother. A lot. Before the update TF3D would crash my phone. It hasn't crashed yet. I wondering why you guys are experiencing a sluggish update.
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This thread is not about it being sluggish, I'm pointing at the raw numbers. File transfer btw, is much slower.

Angelusz said:
This thread is not about it being sluggish, I'm pointing at the raw numbers. File transfer btw, is much slower.
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My apologies. I didn't mean to highjack the thread.

tnyynt said:
What was your result on the previous ROM?
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i got around 3000 on R2A
on R1A i use to have 12000 on my 16g sd card.
so it's significantly lower on R2A

Angelusz said:
Alright. So it actually is the same. Thanks for your elaborate explanation, it's never a bad time to learn something.
So it's all in the way it's displayed. I gues WinCE cab manager does allow showing -xxxx in registry entries, where the winmo registry does not.
This does mean that the values should indeed be applied correctly. Tnyynt?
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it depends if Tnyynt have used decimal or hexadecimal to enter the values. registry are always imported in hexadecimal
if Tnyynt has entered the initial value in hexadecimal so the values are good but if Tnyynt entered the initial value in decimal there is a problem, but this one can be easily solved. it will just mean that R1A and R2A may not use the same code for numbers so in this case we will just have to recode the value to have the good numbers.
but i logicaly for a mask you use hexadecimal...
Has somebody tried to contact se about this problem?

Tylwith said:
i got around 3000 on R2A
on R1A i use to have 12000 on my 16g sd card.
so it's significantly lower on R2A
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yeah same here. This is why I was wondering if it was worth staying on the R1A since most programs are installed onto the mem card, the R1A firmware should be quicker at loading programs correct?

Ok, why are you people so keen about the benchmarks? Copy a file on your SD and compare the result. This is a lot more realistic test and there you can see if there is any real difference for your programs. Everything else is just for bragging, sorry.

Dandie said:
Ok, why are you people so keen about the benchmarks? Copy a file on your SD and compare the result. This is a lot more realistic test and there you can see if there is any real difference for your programs. Everything else is just for bragging, sorry.
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it's not that simple because of the file system and how machine handles access to them. depending of the size of file you are copying the result can be very different. Some fs are better with tiny files some other with bigger files. there is also the access speed of the file that you can not really tell even if it has a big importance. it's a bit like internet speed . you can have a fast non responsive internet connection(will take long time to access a server but will download very fast for example). Or a responsive but very slow internet connection(remember of the days people were playing counterstrike on rtc modem because the rtc modem gave them a better ping than adsl or cable)
benchmarks try to copy different kind of file size and try to make an average score they also test multiple simultaneous access and thing like that which is important for multitasking. Futhermore it's not easy to try launch a copy a several tiny files by hand.
if your system is faster reading bigger file it doesn't mean that program that use smaller files will be faster.

Very true. tnyynt, what does all this tell you?

Sorry to be so late, time is not on my side nowadays.
I find it really strange that the TuneUp would work on any device sporting a Card but on the Xperia with the latest firmware. I think we can easily rule out registry and import incompatibilities since it's the same operating system.
Nothing clever comes to my mind but this:
try exporting the regustry entries from my CAB with WinCE CAB Manager and apply them as a registry patch on your device. See how that goes.