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O2 EXEC, slow to respond to incoming calls

HI all
Hoeping some one can help me,,, If my xda exec is switched on and an incoming call comes in it starts ringing stright away as you would expect. However if the xda exec is in standby mode, it takes 3 or 4 rings before the xda wakes up and starting to make the ring tone sound. Is this a "design feature" or is there somthing i can do to resolve it, As most people seem to hang up after 6 rings and my xda only rings after 4 I am missing lots of calls.
Hope you can help
Paul

You can try and install the Radio Upgrade 1.06.00. It doesnt require a hard reset (loss of all data), and appears to fix up that problem from everyone who has tried it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=38954

You can alter the duration the phone will ring for before it goes to voice mail or divert (depending on how your set-up is arranged) Go to Settings/ Phone, select the "Services" tab, highlight Call Forwarding, then press get settings, the phone will retrieve the data, in the midle of the screen is "Forward after" and a drop down box set this to "30 Seconds" - you might find it rings for longer now as the default is 10 seconds I think - Mike

Thanks for your replys, I have already put the 1.06 radio upgrade onto the device..
I will change the voicemail pickup time that should help thanks
I have found that if i turn of the power management settings so that the device does not go to sleep after 3 minutes then this problem is fixed, Calls come though to the xda within 1 ring,,, However I dont know if this is going to cause the battery to drain to quick, as the screen is on still (although backlight goes out)

isnt there a registry hack for this?

Weird double call tone... help?

I just put in the SIM card on my smartphone and tried to call and I get a weird call tone - instead of one I get two overlapping ones, one being solid "beeeeep" and the other more like a bit vibrating one. And if the line is busy, the call ends with the usual "beep-beep-beep" but instead of the earphone it comes from a speakerphone and the worst thing is, it doesn't end until I press the "End talk" button whereas on other phones it usually ends after 3-4 beeps.
My question is - is this behaviour normal for the WM6 built-in phone? I kinda doubt it but still... And is there any decent replacement for the built-in call handler application or are they all based on the same built-in crap? I looked but I found not much other than skins...
I suspect that one call tone is from network and the other is from built in application when it gets the network signal, but there's not much I am able to do about it, so please, can anyone help?

Sounds like your profile. Do you have it set to ring, and vibrate at the same time? As for the end talk, that's normal for WM6 phones.

Actually it's not the profile, because I am talking about the tone that I hear from the earpiece - there's two of them. I am not talking about vibration, that's turned off. Just that the overlapping call tones - one is solid, other is vibrant beep. And it sucks that there's two of them...

In addition, here's one weird thing - when I put in SIM card from one operator, it does these annoying things, but when I put another, everything works fine. So it kind of depends on the SIM card somehow...

UPDATE: Got rid of the double call tone with a workaround - in registry under HKCU\\ControlPanel\Sounds\GCFTone changed the "sound" key value from "ringback.wav" to "silent.wav", for which I previously created an empty wav file full of silence and copied it to Windows folder.
The SIM card change didn't help. I currently conclude that
a) if the SIM card is SIM ToolKit capable, it creates this anomaly.
b) the problem lies with some unknown properties of the SIM.
The problem with busy tone coming out of speaker still persists. Haven't found a solution for it yet. Going to harrass Microsoft and the mobile operator with the issue now
What is weird is that as far as I know, this is the most advanced PPC forum and I don't get even ideas about which registry setting to look into or smth... That's a bit sad.

Incoming Call Delay

There is a delay between incoming call and actually the phone ringing. Did you notice that as well? I asked my callers already several times how many rings they have heared. Normally 2, and I only heared one. So?
As well there is a small delay between picking up and actually being able to speak... Did you notice this as well?

i'm facing the same problem

Thx for your feedback. So now the question is if there is any reg-hack to speed this up.

I noticed that too.
But if you pay attention, there is a low ring in the background. Make a test in a zero noise environment..

@uterrorista, low-ring? pretty usefull, ha?
@all, pushing up the topic.
pretty bad, if the "waking up" process takes that long so the caller already got something like 3-4 rings until I hear the first ring...
any idea?

Upgrading your Radio should mostly solve this problem. And always try to have your ringtones in main memory rather than storage cards because power to sd card cuts of in standby mode and may take some time to return after awaken by a call.
Regards,
Carty..

With the new radio occurs the same.

Incoming call delay
This may help....
Somethings to consider:
1- I would say the actual ring signal is not always synchronized with the ring back tone we heard. The may come from different system within a complex telecom network. Therefore, some delay is expected as normal functionality in all telephone systems (Fix and mobile ones). What you hear when calling is send by the phone systems you are connected too (i. e. fix phone line of your provider central office systems). What makes your phone ringing is a command (teleco-protocol) sent by the system you are registered-in) So, we do not expect a ring to ring back sync any way.
2- To the previous fact, we should add the wake-up time, ringing tone search and play back as well as picture and info shown on display, call execution inner in the process on your JADE. You may minimize a bit these things, but I would say only a bit if you have the device always awake (battery waste) and your ringing tones are in the main memory.
3- if your phone does not give you radio problem, please do not upgrade it. You may run in problems you did not have before and it will void your warranty.
4- We can go further and add our ear and brain response time.
5- The time that comes for the call to go to diver destination or voice mail, counts from the moment that your phone is seized by your host public system and not from the moment the caller hear the first ring back tone.
Conclusion:
I do not see a real problem as far as it does not go over two ring back tones.

A lot of ringtones are silent about 1 second before they actually start (just like some songs and stuff). That might be your problem?

cPT.cAPSLOCK said:
A lot of ringtones are silent about 1 second before they actually start (just like some songs and stuff). That might be your problem?
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No, it isnt. Mine is the dafault tone.
If the jade is near a pc monitor, the monitor starts to make interferences two or three seconds before the screen lights up and the tone starts ringing.

yesterday it rang 1x and my caller said he heared the ringtone on his side of the line 5x!!!! wtf!?!?
what can we do to fix this?

Hello my radio version is 0.27.30.09 (from stock)
I too had a 3 ring call delay, i installed jademan superrom (which did not update the radio version , it's still the old one) and somehow the call delay vanished...
Or u can try the reg tweak to set the ring script to "av1pr" using sktools... works well for me..
hope that helps

Raghav_K said:
Hello my radio version is 0.27.30.09 (from stock)
I too had a 3 ring call delay, i installed jademan superrom (which did not update the radio version , it's still the old one) and somehow the call delay vanished...
Or u can try the reg tweak to set the ring script to "av1pr" using sktools... works well for me..
hope that helps
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Can explain the sk-tweak please?

Sure :d
install the latest sktools, Choose tuneup < phone edition < ring script and typr av1pr... which gives u a very short vibrate and ring... (which fits me cos the ring volume isn't very high and i dont wanna miss calls in noisy areas.. U can see help to modify the script to ur needs)
or if u prefer editing registry, use a registry editor to go to HKCU/ControlPanel/Sounds/Ringtone0/script and change the REG_SZ value to av1pr

annoying incoming call delay
Hi,
i have changed the registry script as people say but no difference. And that's no surprise as if you read the script letter by letter "av1pr" means activate device/vibrate/play ringtone/repeat. The original script "apw3r" again means "activate the phone/play rington/wait 3 seconds/repeat". So the 3 seconds delay happens AFTER the phone plays the ringtone the first time.
However, the activation(with activation I mean to wake up the phone from standby) actually happens always on the beginning of the second ring. I have another phone and I have done few tests calling the jade so I am sure of what I am saying.
By the way, I dont know if you noticed but changing the ringtone changes the script back to the original one. But it doesnt really matter given that this tweak doesnt make any difference.
I have to say instead that disabling the skin dialer allowed me to gain 1 second, and now the phone activates just before the second ring. So I believe that the solution should be found somewhere else and not in the script that everyone keeps talking about.
I think I have read that the superrom doesnt have this problem(jade rom development in this section). What did it change in there? why it doesnt show that?
Any help appreciated
Franco

Actually av1pr means activate & vibrate 1 sec & Ring
apw3r means activate & wait 3 sec and play ringtone
I used to get the caller screen and no ring till 3 sec till i changed that.... i know it resets everytime after u change rt but no prob for me cos i don change RT often and sktools has an easy way of changing it
And i need it to vibrate for 1 sec coz ring volume is a bit low in htc phones..
PS: i'm using superrom too

Raghav_K said:
Actually av1pr means activate & vibrate 1 sec & Ring
apw3r means activate & wait 3 sec and play ringtone
I used to get the caller screen and no ring till 3 sec till i changed that.... i know it resets everytime after u change rt but no prob for me cos i don change RT often and sktools has an easy way of changing it
And i need it to vibrate for 1 sec coz ring volume is a bit low in htc phones..
PS: i'm using superrom too
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well, the phone follows the sequence of commands so if it is:
apw3r
the phone will a=activate, then p=play ringtone, w3=wait 3 seconds, r=repeat sequence.
So the 3 seconds delay is after the first time the rt is played.
But I have the same initial delay with both scripts it does p**s me off really!
have you tried to use another phone to call your jade with the superrom? how long does it take to play the tone?

well i have tried and my jade starts vibrating by the time the first ring ends( in the phone from which i'm calling)
can u try the decrease ring delay tweak in the mighty enhancements section of this link and see if it works
http://triton.homeip.net/RegistryChanger/

My own experience is that SuperROM made absolutely no difference at all, neither does hacking the ringtone script (as other have said, the "delay" is after the ringtone has started anyway).
What did make a difference in both the stock & superrom firmware was to disable the HTC dialer skin and revert to the WM6.1 caller id bubble. This reduced the average delay to about 1 second. The other variable is whether the phone is in full suspend mode or awake - my phone certainly takes longer to activate from full suspend mode (full suspend being suspend on battery).
Haven't tried the new HTC stock ROM yet, maybe this improves things? I think it will take some changes to the low-level drivers to improve on the 1 second wake-up with WM6.1 dialer (these may be in the new stock ROM, all of the cooked ROMs use low-level drivers from the original stock ROM so will all be the same in this respect).

Raghav_K said:
well i have tried and my jade starts vibrating by the time the first ring ends( in the phone from which i'm calling)
can u try the decrease ring delay tweak in the mighty enhancements section of this link and see if it works
http://triton.homeip.net/RegistryChanger/
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Absolutely no difference whatsover. Again, the only improvement I can get is when I disable the dialer skin and use the wm default one. Then it rings just before hearing the second tone on the calling line.
To be honest I am not surprised, the registry key that is changed is:
HKCU\ControlPanel\SoundCategories\RingPreview\InitVol
which clearly refers to a volume level and not to a time delay...??

Waking up on incoming calls takes too long....

I've just realized that I keep missing calls because it seems to me that the Touch HD takes entirely too long to wake up on an incoming call.
Example:
I called my phone, it rang TWO times before the phone started to wake up, by the time I was able to answer it, it was too late.
Anyway to speed up the waking of this phone on incoming calls. I can't have all these delays. Or is there a way to make it ring LONGER (as a workaround) before going to voicemail?
Does having the phone locked increase the time it takes to wake it up?
Question 2:
It seems like just picking up my phone from my desk answers it. That's no good, sometimes I want to pick it up to look the the caller id but it auto answers upon picking up the phone off my desk. Can this be disabled?

derrickonline said:
I've just realized that I keep missing calls because it seems to me that the Touch HD takes entirely too long to wake up on an incoming call.
Example:
I called my phone, it rang TWO times before the phone started to wake up, by the time I was able to answer it, it was too late.
Anyway to speed up the waking of this phone on incoming calls. I can't have all these delays. Or is there a way to make it ring LONGER (as a workaround) before going to voicemail?
Does having the phone locked increase the time it takes to wake it up?
Question 2:
It seems like just picking up my phone from my desk answers it. That's no good, sometimes I want to pick it up to look the the caller id but it auto answers upon picking up the phone off my desk. Can this be disabled?
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Try using 3rd party apps like 'Advanced Config', 'HD Tweak' and 'SKTools' to tweak to optimise your HD performance.
I know HD Tweak has the option to enable or disable ring delay for incoming calls

I have tweak HD now. So let me ask you, why would anyone want a ring delay in the first place?

I hate how long it takes to answer a call. Sometimes i answer on the first ring and the caller says "what took you so long?".
What's even worse is, if the phone is doing something and someone rings, i can press the answer button all i like but nothing happens...the phone seems to clogged up with other tasks. This may just be the ROM though, i'm about to flash the new Touch of HD rom so i'll see how it goes.

Gat, I'm pretty sure it's a power issue. Windows Mobile is slow and clunky especially on a 528Mhz processor. Can't wait for tegra or snapdragon. I don't think another rom will help you.

derrickonline said:
I have tweak HD now. So let me ask you, why would anyone want a ring delay in the first place?
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Personally I don't why, but I can't answer for everyone!
I hate how long it takes to answer a call. Sometimes i answer on the first ring and the caller says "what took you so long?".
What's even worse is, if the phone is doing something and someone rings, i can press the answer button all i like but nothing happens...the phone seems to clogged up with other tasks. This may just be the ROM though, i'm about to flash the new Touch of HD rom so i'll see how it goes.
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Try using Dutty's Xtreme V1.8 ROM, link below. I haven't experienced any delays since I started using this ROM. May be a coincidence, but worth a try!

With Dutty's V1.8 rom it takes half-a-ring before the screen wakes up, and then a whole ring on silent before it makes any sound. So 1 1/2 rings before I know some-one is calling.

Guys, don't. This is a issue and fixed by HTC, there's a official patch for this problem: htc.com/www/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=179&act=sd&cat=all
fixed my equal problems at once!

The delay is caused by the HTC dialer and all the stuff it needs to load on an incomming call.
If it is a serious problem for you, use HD tweak to change the phone dialer back to WM6. This will give you instant ring on incomming call, but you will lose some features provided by the HTC dialer such as volume control during call, bluetooth notification on top bar,video calling and possibly mute on face down.
If you don't want to use HD Tweak the reg key is
HKLM\security\phone\skin_enabled
Option is 0 (disabled) 1 (enabled)
Soft reset to make the changes.

ardsar said:
The delay is caused by the HTC dialer and all the stuff it needs to load on an incomming call.
If it is a serious problem for you, use HD tweak to change the phone dialer back to WM6. This will give you instant ring on incomming call, but you will lose some features provided by the HTC dialer such as volume control during call, bluetooth notification on top bar,video calling and possibly mute on face down.
If you don't want to use HD Tweak the reg key is
HKLM\security\phone\skin_enabled
Option is 0 (disabled) 1 (enabled)
Soft reset to make the changes.
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Hi, I tried this from HDTweak but it did not seem to make a difference. The phone still takes about 1.5 rings before it starts to ring itself. I have lost the bluetooth icon.
Hmmm - I think I will just go back to the HTC dialer

This post should be deleted, but I don't know how.
Sorry

This is a issue and fixed by HTC, there's a official patch for this problem: htc.com/www/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=179&act=sd&cat=all
fixed my equal problems at once!
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bazzxdahtc, I can't find the patch for this issue under your link

This one should work: http://www.htc.com/europe/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=179&act=sd&cat=all
Look for:
- Hot fix for improving the on-screen slider feature for answering calls
and
- Hot fix to enhance response time for HTC Touch HD
These two made my HD work a lot better then before! I used to miss calls often due to the lag in answering incoming calls.

bazzxdahtc said:
This one should work: http://www.htc.com/europe/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=179&act=sd&cat=all
Look for:
- Hot fix for improving the on-screen slider feature for answering calls
and
- Hot fix to enhance response time for HTC Touch HD
These two made my HD work a lot better then before! I used to miss calls often due to the lag in answering incoming calls.
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These 2 fixes have nothing to do with the famous 2 ring delay. The response time improvement was to solve the latency when using the keyboard - ie sometimes it would appear to freeze. The second fix is for the slider only.
Suggest you guys do a bit of searching as there are a lot of threads relating to this famous 2 ring delay with wm6. The first incomming call always seems to take a bit longer after the phone has been switched off or soft reset - did you try and see what the delay is several times? Appologies that using the wm6 dialer did not work for you - it certainly does for me and many others.

Just trying to help...
I run stock ROM(1.14.404.3(V2227)NLD)+regular updates/patches and this works on my device, you doubt my experiences?
Have you actually tried these yourself? Or are you just reasoning from your cooked ROM...
Suggest you stay nice to everyone.

No i dont doubt your experience apart from the fact that htc fixes are not specific to the 2 ring delay. It also has nothing to do with the fact im using non stock rom .i applied these tweeks to the standard rom before flashing my device. if you do a search for 2 ring deLay, you will see that this is a common problem. Also other sites such as www.pocketshield.netserver01.com/readme.aspx make reference to this exact problem
I'm only tryin to help, and ive spent a lot of my time investigating this issue.

Just a quick thought.. do you have an MP3 assigned as ringtone? I recently added an MP3 ringtone and suddenly it took a lot longer before the phone started ringing..
Changed it back to one of the standard tones and it was much faster.

I agree about the MP3 issue.
I often see my Touch HD waking up to handle the call 1-2 seconds before I hear the ringtone. As soon as the dialler skin is up (or S2U2 application) then I am able to answer the call without the MP3 ring kicking in.

Before I use S2U2, Pocketshiel and Inesoft programs in the same time..it takes at least 4 seconds to starts ring. but now only S2U2 its only 1 sec.

Guys I'm using 1.19.831 stock ROM, applied ONLY Slider hotfix from HTC, ringing with mp3 file (around 900kb size) and do these tweaks in HDtweak and Advanced Config 3.3:
Incoming ring delay = no;
Battery icon in phone menu = no;
Filesystem cache: enabled
Filesystem cache size: 8 mb;
File system filter chace: 131072 sectors;
Glyph cahce: 64 kb;
The delay is around 1.5 ring BEFORE it start ringing. 1 ring before display answer slider. I'm not 100% sure if all of above settings have any connection with the problem, but with these one --> a whole 1 ring delay is gone away...

Wizard when calling Answering Machines...

I have a Cingular 8125... and there would be times I'd be calling say my service provider...
Usually an answering machine would be picking up the call and tells you to
press 1 for...
press 2 for...
... and so on...
How the heck do we do this? This seemed to be my only problem with our beloved Wizard... pressing the touchscreen doesn't do anything, and pressing the keyboard won't work either...
Anybody have their own solution???

Go to Settings Phone Keypad drop down menu and select Short or Long tones, I use Short tones.

I don't think that the situation has got nothing to do with long/short tones... and anyways... I didn't find any tones list under settings/phone keypad option...
any other clues???

I think you misunderstand, the options are, Long tones, Short tones, and Off.
The reason for telling you to enable the tones was so we would know if your phone is producing the sounds.
This is just step one in the process of elimination, so just enable the tones, then report back and let us know if it’s still not working.