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2 Sims ?

Any one tried any kind of solution to have two sims installed ? Software / Hardware ?
Terran

Hardware
the one where you have to cut the sim out and stick it into a single SIM.
then you will have to turned on flight mode and turned it of when you want to switch
work great for me (Qtek S100, S110 and now 9100-wizard)
See ya

Has anyone tried the 'king of double card'type dual sim adapters in the Wizard. I have one in my Himalaya and I heard that there is also enough room in the Magician. Would like to know if it also fits into the Wizard (planing to buy one) because I do not like to cut my sims!

Hi bruxelles5
i couldn't understand you bruxelles5 !! would explain it ? thank you in advance

You cut the chips out from two of your existing SIMs and insert them into a special holder that a fits in your phone's SIM slot.
Each time your turn the phone on and off (or use flight mode) it switches between SIMs.
An example here http://duosim.com/.
Another type gives you an extra menu on supported phones to switch numbers without having to turn it on/off.
Note - I've never used any of these gadgets so YMMV. And cutting up your SIM risks damaging it permanently.

I use a SuperSIM card that lets me store up to 12 different sims on the one sim card. It came with a reader that lets you copy your individual sims to the computer, then copy them all to the SuperSIM. Works fine on the Wizard.

Hey mitchelo,
This supersim sounds interesting. How do you switch from one sim to another using your Wizard?

Mitchello wrote
I use a SuperSIM card that lets me store up to 12 different sims on the one sim card. It came with a reader that lets you copy your individual sims to the computer, then copy them all to the SuperSIM. Works fine on the Wizard.
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Wow! that sounds like a neat piece of kit!...
I uesd a dual sim holder and this sim switching software on my xda 2s.
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=19046
Worked pretty well, although beta version did not always pick up one of the telephone numbers. They may have fixed this in the 1.0 version.. You can download the trial and see if it works on the wizard. I have not tried it yet..
Regards
Chris

The SuperSIM has a menu that lets you choose between the 12 numbers. It appears as an icon in the programs list. Just click it and you will get the menu.
I have a Telstra and Optus SIM on my supersim.
(P.S. this message was sent from my K-JAM )

Looks like a good bit of kit. Checked the web site out and it looks like it sells for $45 plus shipping. One question though. It talks about only being comaptible with sims that have a couple of different 'formats/protocl' (for want of better words) I am cluless as to what this is for Tmobile USA and 02. Can you shed any light on if I might have a compatibility issue using it?
Many thanks!
Chris

There are some sims that this won't work with. For example I can't use vodafone sim cards with it. I did some searching online before I bought, and knew that voda wouldn't work.
As the expression goes, 'google it'

ok, many thanks, will do. Probably better than trying customer care eh

@cbrow51:
Search the internet for any Ki extractor or a software called Cardinal (can't remember the link).
Extracting the Ki from your sim is the first step you need to create a backup. As of today we are able to extract that value from Comp128V1 cards only. SuperSim and similars are able to emulate these type of cards.
So, give that software a try. If it is able to extract the Ki, feel free to purchase the supersim or whatever.
Save your money for a dinner with your partner, if the software fails.
I hope it does help.
Silver.

You have to have a SIM reader that comes with the SuperSIM to check the Ki. Just google your service provider with something like "{your carrier} supersim". Worked for me.

Almost true, mitchello...
My dearest old smart mouse did his job seamlessly.
Furthermore some of the tools I am talking about are free.
When I was working for another company, I used to carry two mobiles with me. Until I found SIMEMU (still largely available for free on the net) coupled with a set of completely free tools that allowed me to backup my two SIMs into just one.
Search the net for SIMEMU... you'll see that the SuperSIM guy has reinvented the weel... getting payed for his efforts !
C'ya mate.

hi there. where did you buy this super sim and how would i find its compatability with uk network sim cards
cheers

I got mine on eBay. Ask the seller about compatibility, or look on Google.

hi there. thanks for the prompt reply. do you remember who the seller was on ebay. help much appreciated. cheers.

I got mine from a seller called "memoryku". He has several auctions like this one atm:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SUPER-DUAL-M...832609382QQcategoryZ10364QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

These only work with comp128 - v1 cards.
UK cards are not this so it won't work

Cloning the O2 sim for use in another phone

A little off topic, I know, but has anybody been able to use something like this --> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9104458427&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1&rd=1 to make a copy of their Exec's O2 sim for us in another phone for situations where the exec isn't appropriate?
It would be handy to have a second phone for use when I don't want to take the Exec without having to keep swapping the sim.
Cheers,
Steve.

these wont work for the exec, because you will receive a 3g card from o2. this package looks like it will only take standard gsm sims ie 2 and 2.5g. also, i think the new sims in general are not "crackable" at this point.

Doesn't O2 offer this as a LEGAL service?
The SIM in your phone is probably legally defined as O2 property, and they've probably not agreed to copying of their product.
If you read all of the fine print, you'll probably see some stuff about this.
But, yes: It's nice..

2 sims - one number
They're working on it.
The ebay item doesn't claim to be able to actually clone a SIM card though, just backup up or consolidate if you have multiple SIMs.

Re: 2 sims - one number
davebo said:
They're working on it.
The ebay item doesn't claim to be able to actually clone a SIM card though, just backup up or consolidate if you have multiple SIMs.
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No, but if you can select between 16 numbers to use, then surely, it's like copying 16 sims into 1? Even if I were to only copy 1 sim, if it could act as if it were that sim in another phone, then that would do the job.
Cheers,
Steve.

There is a slight problem in all of this. You cannot have to sims logged on using the same MISDN . So all that would happen is the operator would be alerted to the fact that 2 sims were trying to usre the same MISDN and you would be put into the fraud management system and the phone might be disconnected.
When people scan and clone phones they do not use the phone on standby for long periods of time they simply make a few calls and switch off. Unless they time it when the real user is logged on and tries to make a call it is unlikely to be picked up.
Also it will vconfuse the HLR in the gsm network .
So all in all onot a good idea.
Charlie

Hm? Back home in the Netherlands we used to be able to get two SIMs with the same number from our providers... The idea was, you had one in your built-in car phone, and one in your portable handset; when you got out of the car, switch that phone off, and the other one on, and it'll register the other SIM, and hey presto! You could not use both SIMs at the same time, ofcourse.

I bought one, THEN read up on the facts (doh!)
There is no de-cryption algorithm for any SIM cards supplied in the UK over the last 2-4 years. True, the old SIMs could be copied, but the v.2 system cannot.
Still, it is a nice piece of kit for reading your SIM contacts over USB, and didn't cost a fortune.
I'm actually quite pleased that SIMs are this secure, 'cos I wouldn't want them easily copyable by the bad guys.

I bought one, THEN read up on the facts (doh!)
There is no de-cryption algorithm for any SIM cards supplied in the UK over the last 2-4 years. True, the old SIMs could be copied, but the v.2 system cannot.
Still, it is a nice piece of kit for reading your SIM contacts over USB, and didn't cost a fortune.
I'm actually quite pleased that SIMs are this secure, 'cos I wouldn't want them easily copyable by the bad guys.

In the Nehterlands I know that KPN and t-Mobile offer dual sims, the problem is as mentioned here already that you can not use them both at the same time. Also if you have 3G sim the second sim you get is not 3G. those are the rules by KPN.
I used to live in Israel and there Orange gives out dua sims where you can keep both phones on. On the incoming call both phones ring at the same time and you can decide which to pick up. The SMS trafic thought goes to the phone which was turned on first. The way they are doing this is by giving both sims an extra GHOST number which used to start with a Zero. then what they did was simply forward the calls between two sims. They had a huge blunder though: Forwarding officially costs money but in this case it has to be free, so they by mistake on their first couple of bill specifications posted the forwarding calls with Zero as charge, thus I was able to know what are the ghost numbers and call between the phones completely for free. It did mean that the you could call the the ghost numbers only from those 2 phones and not any other phone, kind of internal cirquit. So we enjoyed it very much since my wife and me just used those two phones and comunications between these two was free of charge.
So as you see technicaly it is possible to make both phones ring at the same time....

Any Dual Sim holder ?

Hi,
I'm wondering if there is a dual sim holder that fit in the kaiser.
I'd like one with no cut options. I've googled my question, but no answers...
Any ideas ?
Thanks for your help

I too would be extremely interested in this...

Still no ideas ???

dual sim
with no cut i think is impossebel
but wizh cut's
go to
http://www.simore.ch/fr/accessoires_pour_mobiles/HTC/P4550.html

certainly look impressive, but for tytn 2 you can only cut cards. have you tried one?

this looks awesome. anyone tested it yet?

or you can try to clone your card
other options is cloning the card. I did that couple years ago in my tmobile-usa card.

leeky said:
other options is cloning the card. I did that couple years ago in my tmobile-usa card.
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How could you manage this !!!
Very interresting

woaloo said:
How could you manage this !!!
Very interresting
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im using this tools since 4 years ago ...
http://sim-max.biz/store/index.php
cheers
indra9110

leeky said:
other options is cloning the card. I did that couple years ago in my tmobile-usa card.
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AFAIK this is only possible for networks and SIM cards using the COMP128 algorithm for authenticating the SI to the network. I don't know who still uses COMP128 but certainly in the UK no provider uses it on recent SIMs.
Highly unlikely to work with any USIM for the same reason - COMP128 is potentially insecure (obviously, if you can clone the SIM) so has been replaced with newer algorithms.
Just my 2p'th.

epninety said:
AFAIK this is only possible for networks and SIM cards using the COMP128 algorithm for authenticating the SI to the network. I don't know who still uses COMP128 but certainly in the UK no provider uses it on recent SIMs.
Highly unlikely to work with any USIM for the same reason - COMP128 is potentially insecure (obviously, if you can clone the SIM) so has been replaced with newer algorithms.
Just my 2p'th.
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Yes you are right! I bought an old Tmobile card, before 2001 production, then I made clone and call tmobile to made a change to clonen-able tmobile card. I tried a couple of card before finally succesful. The new card have new algorithma and it is less likeable to be force to read for longer period of time than old one.

so getting back on track, has anyone used a dual card adapter in a TyTn II?
i assume you have a program to switch cards

I've been trying to find a Dual SIM Holder that can be used in the Kaiser without Cutting the SIM cards, but I don't think such a Dual Sim Holder exists, there is just too little space where the Kaiser holds its SIM
I really cannot cut my SIM as I have a work and personal SIM I want to use, and if i cut/loose the work one it will take em ages to get a replacement which is very bad...
Plus I suck at cutting SIMS lol, tried to cut my personal one and it killed it, had to get a replacement.

And, what about the cloning solution.
Is there any news ?

Dual sim card settings/ solution

Hello all,
I've ran into some troubles with my device, since I have it running with a unlimited data transfer flatrate, that sim is blocked for incomming and outgoing phonecalls.
Solution on this trouble should be one of the dual sim adapters, which leads me to another problem. Since it seems to be impossible on my HTC Uni to have two simultaneous active cards running, the data one would be the usual active one for my needs.
But how to get the device automatically activating that sim, while its sleeping on an incomming phone call? Preferably without any costs on the data sim and extra costs on the phone sim either for me nor for the calling party.
Call deflection an possible option?
Since its probably a common issue im ashamed that I couldnt find any solution. Would be nice if I could still get some reply.
Thanks in advance,
Real.
Also have a look on this thread please:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=392396

You can take a look at this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=256442
Actually, I don't recall any dual SIM adaptor allowing 2 SIMs online at the same time. Looks like you need a phone able to handle that specific feature.
Your phone is able to handle 2 different lines at the same time ... but on the same SIM card. Some Operators used to provide this type of plan. A plan, 2 different numbers ... But same Operator !
I've heard that ETEN will release a Dual SIM PDAPhone (DX900) : http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Eten-DX900-is-dual-SIM-smartphone-article-a_2805.html
Anyway, I've been looking for the answer ... But, nothing yet.

Here is a workaround
Dual SIM WM Phone.
http://www.totobay.com/hkc-g1000-du...and-bluetooth-function-p6073.html#description

frav said:
Here is a workaround
Dual SIM WM Phone.
http://www.totobay.com/hkc-g1000-du...and-bluetooth-function-p6073.html#description
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here's my review
http://oldsap.blogspot.com/2008/04/hkc-g1000-dual-sim-wm6.html

Universal
As first thanks for the replys!
frav said:
(...) Your phone is able to handle 2 different lines at the same time ... but on the same SIM card. (...)
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This really sounds interesting, since I've got both of my most frequently used sims at the same provider. (Telefone/- and Dataflat)
Maybe my provider is willing to attach them both sims into one, or else theres still the chance of "doing by self". Another point is that those contracts dont have such a long lifetime anymore, so most likely this will be pretty mutch possible.
Sounds way better than buying a new phone, with the possibility of using two sim cards simultaneously.
Only one thing troubles me, since I've wrote about the HTC Adv beeing the mentioned device while it is Universal. Does that one have that feature aswell? I hope and pray, since this seems to be my last chance of having it more user friendly.
Any reply mutch obliged,
Real.

the dev version without sim card possible?

Hello,
I'm from Belgium and I need to use the G1 for my work. I would like to use it without a sim card (or make the phone using the data of mine) but it seems impossible for the device to connect on internet.
I have just received the device today and I really need help. I have tried to find something on the forum but the only interesting thing I have found seems to say that it is possible.
Google is even worse than Apple which is already worse than Microsoft.. is there any good company in this world...

what do you mean use it without a sim card? As in the telephony and data connections with having to use a t-mobile sim card or any simcard?
This is a sim card phone meaning it has to have a simcard in order for you to use the telephony or edge/3g connections. No way around that.
And on a side note, if you want help you probably shouldn't spread your opinions about things that you don't know about and things you make assumptions for.

I can get into Android without having a Sim card inserted on Dev Phone. WLAN works without it.
But when there is a card inserted I cannot skip Sim pin to do things without having mobile operator service.

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I can get into Android without having a Sim card inserted on Dev Phone. WLAN works without it.
But when there is a card inserted I cannot skip Sim pin to do things without having mobile operator service.
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how do you use the dev phone at the first time? no sim card is working on that f******* phone :/

neoobs said:
This is a sim card phone meaning it has to have a simcard in order for you to use the telephony or edge/3g connections. No way around that.
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This is a "device" that is able of making call... this is not a phone.. you can't call iphones and htc devices "phones"... I don't care about the phone feature, I just need a small device with linux. If it was a phone, it would not need a gmail account... don't talk about things you don't know.
neoobs said:
what do you mean use it without a sim card? As in the telephony and data connections with having to use a t-mobile sim card or any simcard?
And on a side note, if you want help you probably shouldn't spread your opinions about things that you don't know about and things you make assumptions for.
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the fact is that no sim card is working... I'm currently using 3G with my HTC Shift, and using Edge/Gprs with my HTC Touch .. and no problem.. but the HTC Dream doesn't recognize the data plan !
I guess I know much more than you .. and my opinion is like 99% of user should be having this issue... what kind of phone are impossible to use like that ? I have 3 months to make a big project on that phone and I don't even know if it is possible to make it work without playing with hardspl.
That's crazy to see more protection than iPhones, and other htc phones.... 2 weeks to be able to order the phone and then I don't even know if we can make it work in this country ... GREAT !

koala996 said:
the fact is that no sim card is working... I'm currently using 3G with my HTC Shift, and using Edge/Gprs with my HTC Touch .. and no problem.. but the HTC Dream doesn't recognize the data plan !
I guess I know much more than you .. and my opinion is like 99% of user should be having this issue... what kind of phone are impossible to use like that ? I have 3 months to make a big project on that phone and I don't even know if it is possible to make it work without playing with hardspl.
That's crazy to see more protection than iPhones, and other htc phones.... 2 weeks to be able to order the phone and then I don't even know if we can make it work in this country ... GREAT !
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Your issue is an APN issue.
Read one of the APN threads or learn to use the search Mr. Know-it-all.