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I had my XDA II stolen at gatwick airport last week (sniff sniff) and am now looking to replace it.
From the complete range of HTC PDA's the XDA IIi seems to be tickling my fancy the most but I haven't really come across a single comprehensive review.
So are people who have purchased it happy?
Whilst I am aware that there are problems with the camera I can live with it as long as it is not worse than the XDA II .
So what say you O Ye owners of the IIi?
Cheers!
I got mine last week and I'm honestly torn...
The camera is CR*P, completely so! But as I never used the one on the XDA2 for more than the odd picture message and photo record I'm not particularly bothered - though it's a cheek for O2 to pronounce it as a major step forward when in many ways it's a regressive one.
My major headache is the IR and Bluetooth...IR seems even worse now than on the XDA2 - unless I'm missing something - and the BT stack currently on my phone means I cannot use the O2 BT clip headset (made by iTech) due to this (in my opinion) stupid handsfree obsession. Surely it would be a good idea to have a headset AND a handsfree option that WORKS. I understand on some headsets it works a treat, but given I've got one being sold by O2 on their website I would normally assume it would work.
That said, the 2i is a great phone in itself and if I weren't already spoilt having had the XDA and XDA2 before it, I would be in absolute amazment.
They've finally managed to get the o2activeui thing in a state which isn't too bad and I may even consider keeping it - though it's harder to remove than in the past.
If you have to upgrade which it sounds as though you do given your circumstances, I'd choose the 2i over the 2s...at least the 2i is a better phone spec wise though without the keyboard (gimmick if you ask me).
Hope this helps (helped me to have the rant, anyway).
Cheers
Anthony
Thanks for the feedback Anthony. One thing that's slightly irritating me is a few places i've visited on the net state how previews often have some of the specs wrong on the O2 site it states that the IIi has 128MB SDRam and 128MB Flash......is this accurate?
Have you tried out the Wifi and if so what d'you reckon?
Does the faster processor make a noticeable difference? e.g on my XDA II I was running loads of today plug ins as well as several applications by default I'd do a soft re-set at least once a day
As for the IIs even though when I compare the II and the IIs side by side it doen't appear that much bigger it still has a bulky-ish look about it and I just don't find it appealing enough to contemplate a purchase.
Your feedback on the above would be appreciated
Cheers
This is on the box...
96MB ROM
128MB SDRAM
I have tried out the Wi-Fi and it seems OK to me, certainly it's a welcome feature. However I don't have a Wi-Fi card that I can compare experiences on...all I know is I didn't have one before and now I have a wi-fi connection. That can't be bad.
I don't have enough stuff loaded onto the phone to make a judgment on the processor. With the 2 I had lots of things running such as WeatherPanel and KitaraGenesis - also at one point Pocket Plus. From what I've seen so far the 2i does feel a bit faster...there's also a Turbo feature which does seem to further increase performance.
The 2i is exactly the same size I think, perhaps a smidge heavier. Having said that, if you compare most mobiles these days, the XDA series is no longer heavier than the majority. Besides, if you've got a PDA phone you're not expecting it to be light as a feather.
As I said previously, now you've got no option I would definitely go to the 2i...
Cheers
A
As to theWiFii hadaXDA2 witha SandiskWiFi Card, then changed to the XDA2s, then after 4 replacements i now have a XDA2i, ifind the XDA2i range and speed of reconnecting to WiFi very very good, the XDA2s worked as well asthe XDA2 + SD WiFi Card.
I like the 2ivery much, only problem is i gave away all my XDA2 bits when i got the 2s, so now i have lots of bits for a phone i dont have and a 2i with no spair bits, got i wish i haddent got rid of my old XDA2 bits
i still soft rest a few times aday, but i am used to donigthis now and dont have a problem doing it, The Bluetooth for headsets (jabbra 250) works as well on the 2i as it did on the old XDA2, where as the 2s was total crap
John
4 replacements???!!! care to elaborate?
Applecom, how do you find the camera?
Has the bluetooth improved at all? With my XDA II I also has a Jabra BT250 whilst I found it excellent at close range as soon as the device was in (or out) the metal proporta case and in my pocket I got alot of static...also can you now hear the different ringtones in your bluetooth headset or is it still the same generic one?
Finally, if I get the phone from O2 with their minimum line rental fee it works out to about 407 quid in total....anyone know of any cheaper places?
Thanks for the feedback once again guys.
After hearing about the new XDA2s i purchased a sim free PDA2k, but the microphone on it was crap and the bluetooth (headset) range was like 6 inches after that it sounded terrible.
So as soon as we could get a UK XDA2s we did ( we are a small phone shop) i got it sim free, This was just as crap as the PDA2k, Sothen i did a upgrade to a XDA2s with o2 Select, and of corse this was crap as well
(by crap i mean the mic was terrible people had problems hearing me, and the bluetooth headset only worked if you held the phone next to it, as a PDA it was sort of alright)
so after speaking to o2 about its problems and the fact the keybopard soon comes loose, it was changed probley every 2-3 weeks, never any better for phopne calls but of corse a new one the keyboard is still tight (for a while)
anyway after the 6th phone (4th o2 replacement) i changed it to a XDA2i
The camera in the XDA2i just gives a bigger crap picture, but at leat i can make phone calls on this one and people can hear me, and i dont have to drive down the road with my bluetooth ear piece in and have to hold the phone to the ear piece to use it
John
dear oh dear.....thats the strongest case i've EVER heard for NOT buying a phone... :shock:
Not to get on your nelly but can you now hear the different ringtones in your bluetooth headset or is it still the same generic one?
Cheers
Leroy
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my jabra 250 just makes the ring sound, just like on the old XDA2, no personalised ring tones, despite using IA Caller 1.2
Thank you all for the info
Does the movie function work better?
I know the camera makes a bigger "crap" photo but how is the video? On my XDAII, with all the today plug in's, the thing records crap even at the best settings. With a fresh ROM and nothing installed, I can get a decent video if I set the refresh rate and set it to daylight, (even for night shots), but after I install some programs, no settings can keep it from being choppy and slow or keep the sound in sync with the video.
Believe it or not, the video function, as bad as it is, actually saved my ass from going to jail.. If the XDA2i has better video performance, and it sounds like the BT is better, I want one... Is there any place besides eBay and O2?
Could someone tell us what version of the BT stack it is?
Any body try it with two serial ports yet? (One for a GPS and one for a Printer or POS device (like from Merchantanywhere.com).
Thank you for your time.
the bt stack on my xda2i is 1.0.0.3900
Mine is also 1.0.3900 and I can't use o2's bt clip headset with it....refuses to play ball yet others work fine.
Grrrrr
Need an update to sort this out.
By clip do you mean the earpiece, with a foot of wire then a clip on bluetooth reciever? If you do O2 sent one of them out to me but as i use a jabra 250 i never tried the clip thing.
Would you like me to try it with my XDA2i (also version 3900)
John
Have you made a decision on a purchase yet?
I have both an XDAII and an XDAIIi and would be willing to give some comparitive information regarding them. Or try to answer any specific questions you have about them.
On another note, what alternatives do we have here with regard to a Windows Mobile device?
Please help, i am runng out of my 14 day return period with o2 (Monday) i am experiencing static with my new jabra bt250 headset. Is this a rom problem as with the orange m2000 or do you think it could be the headset. i was led to believe that all of the static problems with new htc devices were fixed. i need to know as if i have a faulty exec i need to get it replaced quick. many thanks david
I have the same problem with a Bluespoon AX.
If the two are on different sides of my body, static is unbearable.
atekant said:
I have the same problem with a Bluespoon AX.
If the two are on different sides of my body, static is unbearable.
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:shock: I have bought an AX, I've never made a call on my MDA Pro to date, and my mobile number is being transferred onto t-mob (and my MDA Pro) this Monday.
Can you explain a bit more so I can not look a complete tit at work please?
I've also tried with the Bluespoon AX and couldn't use it. I sold it to a friend who has a Motorola V3 because it worked fine with his phone.
I bought an (expensive) Plantronics Discovery 640 replacement and it's a little better, but still not great. Also concerned that the problem lies with the XDA Exec and wondering whether to take it back before my 14 days are over...
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I know this sound very stupid but please try it!
Turn your universal onto it's other end! I have found that when it is in my pocket I place it with the stylus to the top..I get static using my Blue G2. When I turn the universal on it's other end, I don't get static.. Weird huh?
Also, I find that putting it in my back trouser pocket gives me more statid than in my chest pocket...
Has anybody else founf this??
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It seems to be an issue with the exec, reading around lots have encountered this problem. I'm sure they'll sort it out in the first official rom upgrade
I'm sure you're right. I just hope it's not a problem with the hardware. Anyway, I've tried my 3rd headset now - it's the Bluetrek G2 (only supports bluetooth 1.1) and it's the best by some margin. Nice, because it's a lot cheaper than the other two.
Could it be a problem with bluetooth 1.2?
it might be the positioning of the BT receiver in the exec, dont forget BT is 10M in open air not encased in an exec between a metal battery and a metal backed display screen (see image of taken apart exec in other thread )and through your body too
I was using PDA2K before using the Jasjar, and I can say that the BT performance is far better than the PDA2K but this does not mean that it's perfectd.... it really needs to be improved.
I have also to say that not all types of BT headsets work fine with Universal, I knew from some of my friends using the same device that Motorola family is not working fine with universal.
I used to have a sony ericson BT headset when I was using the PDA2K and used it with my Jasjar for two days also, but I suffered from the short battery life of the sony erricson BT headset so I changed it with Jabra BT 800 and it works far better than sony erricson and I can say it's very reliable with the device.
What I want to say here is that the reception quality via BT headsets varry according to the type of the BT headset.
Moreover, the performance of the BT in universal needs to be improved and they have to consider this issue in their new ROM upgrade.
Regards,
i need some help i dig down in the forum for 2 days and found no solution .
i have a samsung wep200 tiny bt headset . but the range is very bad on my exe when the headset is in my right ear. and exec in my left side pocket i get a fuzzy noise just like a radio out of tune. when i have exec in my hand and move it arround my body i can hear the fuzzy .when i bring it closer to the headset it stops . its like it only has 2 feet range . i tried the headset with a motorola rz and the range was good got adout 30 yards with it clear and clean
so any one know of a reg hack or any thing that can fix this.
am using the latest o2 rom 1.09. radio
also is it the radio rom that deals with blue tooth signal?
help me out .
thanks
OK I see that some of you already got the device. My wife wants to replace her Nokia N80 for the white version. Now I previously had an Orange SPV M3100 (HTC Hermes) & had no end of problems with that sold it & now happily using an Asus P525. So how about the the Trinity.
-Is it stable?
-Does A2DP & AVCRP work properly as in having proper stereo output?
-Does the A2DP reconnect automatically to WMP after receiving a call (the -Hermes never did, had to restart everything).
-How's wifi reception (the Hermes was crap). She uses wifi a lot as we have 250mins free BTOpenzone minutes a month.
-I looked at the HTC website but it seems they do not supply firmware upgrade support for their devices. So where can you get them officially?
Fill me in guys. Thanks
Is it stable?
I don't feel it's very stable when coming to the phone part. If I've used the device for a while, I often have to hard-reboot it for the phone part to work again(it just stands "calling", and nothing happends)
-How's wifi reception (the Hermes was crap). She uses wifi a lot as we have 250mins free BTOpenzone minutes a month.
The WiFI reception on my phone is very good. I've actually managed to connect to hot-spots which my laptop didn't manage to connect... *me like*
-I looked at the HTC website but it seems they do not supply firmware upgrade support for their devices. So where can you get them officially?
In Norway you get the official firmware updates/rom from the local distributor.(Dangaard and Brightpoint)
What about other features, like those related to the cameras?
How is visiophony with the front camera?
How is the picture quality of the back camera? Most of the reviews are made with good light conditions. What about the pictures in low light condition?
Movies? Are they correct?
Battery life with that 400 MHz processor compared to Prophet?
Could anyone post pictures/movies made with Trinity?
The wifes P3600 arrived this morning. Been playing with it all for a while & here's my 1st impressions.
Good
Looks nice & shiny
Small size
Excellent loud clear external speaker
Nice & responsive
Phone reception & general operation is fine
3G works well
Bad
Shiny surface = fingerprint magnet
MS bluetooth stack, better than before but still lacking
A2DP implementation. Not real stereo, only mono out from each channel
Also when disconnectd from WMP it doesn't auto reconnect.
In summary if you used previous HTC devices before then you'll be familiar with this one. When used as a pda & phone it does most things as expected, the menus & general operation are same as before.
But its going back, one of the main reasons being the crap A2DP. Wifey uses music player a lot on her 1 hour daily commute & the fact that sound quality is rubbish (low volume & no stereo) & no option to connect a wired headphones as theres no headphone jack. The same problem as the Hermes in that once disconnected from WMP it doesn't auto reconnect. Have to go into Bluetooth manger to re establish the connection.
Also comparing it to my Asus P525 other than the smaller size, 3G, louder external speaker & looks a bit nicer, in all other depts the Asus is as good & some areas much much better.
Well, my opinion is that the camera sucks... Was on a party this weekend _with_ good lighting, all the picutures came out blurry *argh* (could be it was too much light tough?...)
The videotelephony-part on the other hands is quite good(for videotelephone, NOT for taking still-pictures).
And I also don't like the 2-7 sec. delay when you try to call someone... *argh*
neofix said:
Well, my opinion is that the camera sucks... Was on a party this weekend _with_ good lighting, all the picutures came out blurry *argh* (could be it was too much light tough?...)
The videotelephony-part on the other hands is quite good(for videotelephone, NOT for taking still-pictures).
And I also don't like the 2-7 sec. delay when you try to call someone... *argh*
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2 to 7 second delay? It sounds like a ROM upgrade will probably be coming to fix these issues...same story different cover.
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A2DP implementation. Not real stereo, only mono out from each channel
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This sounds new to me. I am using a SonyEricsson stereo BT thingy with my Qtek S200 (with A2DP hack) and as far as I can hear the output is stereo not mono from each channel.
I love mine compared to my Exec! Quicker and sleeker.
And got my 4GB miniSD this morning and it works fine
anonimo said:
This sounds new to me. I am using a SonyEricsson stereo BT thingy with my Qtek S200 (with A2DP hack) and as far as I can hear the output is stereo not mono from each channel.
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Yes, proper stereo could be possible with a registry hack but how many end users are to know that? Only the hardcore users frequent forums such as this & get to learn a lot about their devices. Assuming it can be done then why didn't HTC enable it in the first place? Mention a registry hack to the vast majority of users out there & I'm pretty sure you'll be met with a lot of blank expressions & ??????
With the aesthetic design of the trinity I think HTC are trying to market it to more mainstream audience, thats why my wife likes the look of it, but in all honesty how many of these new users will know how to exploit the device to the full. My wife never visits these forums & even her 8 month old Nokia N80 is still out of the box stock.
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Yes, proper stereo could be possible with a registry hack but how many end users are to know that?
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I thought the registry hack was only to enable A2DP on those devices where the manufacturer had disabled it and the end result of a hacked S200 would be the same of a standard TyTn or a standard P3600... Are you sure the P3600 output is not stereo?
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I thought the registry hack was only to enable A2DP on those devices where the manufacturer had disabled it and the end result of a hacked S200 would be the same of a standard TyTn or a standard P3600... Are you sure the P3600 output is not stereo?
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Pretty sure its not stereo, either that or the stereo separation is really poor because it sounded like mon to me. In saying that though when I paired my iTech R35 stereo bluetooth clip with it there was the option to tick headset mode & stereo mode but its too late now I've sent it back today.
The only dislike on my new P3600 is the position of penon the bottom! . I've used many pda, and the pen was on top! But for the rest I love it!!!!
zen123 said:
Pretty sure its not stereo, either that or the stereo separation is really poor because it sounded like mon to me. In saying that though when I paired my iTech R35 stereo bluetooth clip with it there was the option to tick headset mode & stereo mode but its too late now I've sent it back today.
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You are right the stereo bluetooth output is not stereo. This is ridiculous. I hope this can be fixed with some registry hacking otherwise HTC has really screwed this device big time.
One more thing, the smooth black coating is comming of from the bottom where the stylus is placed.... That's s REAL bad thing, since this will eventually tear up more and more of the coating... And I've only had it for two weeks
default A2DP registry settings for Trinity is:
UseJointStereo = 1
please change to:
UseJointStereo = 0
that will fix the "mono sound" issue.
Question
So far what i read, the software for this phone 3600 is not fully stable,
Camera still delay..
Some bugs
additional question following,
Delay of standard programs opening?
How about the sounds quality (loudness and clearness) is it very good?
which one is really better if compare 3600 and 3300(GPS enabled), which should i buy... -_-"
Thank you in advance..
fantastic device
Got my Trinity since yesterday. I had several phones and pda before (Dell Axim x51v was the last one) but the Trinity is the best until now. small enough, fast enough... if I only could get MMS to work for vodafone germany...
saminegm said:
Got my Trinity since yesterday. I had several phones and pda before (Dell Axim x51v was the last one) but the Trinity is the best until now. small enough, fast enough... if I only could get MMS to work for vodafone germany...
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Did you try these (manual entry and cab for Vodafone):
https://shop.dangaard.de/files/Qtek/Qtek.htm
Tytn and Trinity 3G/UMTS should be the same
So far...the trinity is my new favorite thing..very stable (have had to soft reset twice to get the Wifi signal running after a sync while wifi was on) and lots of fun. Phone is great and signal with one bar or less is still usable - where my old motorola was no good with a weak signal...and i can now make and take calls from my office - where previously there was no chance with the motorola. This device does everything I bought it for -combine my PDA and phone into one device...
where to buy
DaveUK said:
I love mine compared to my Exec! Quicker and sleeker.
And got my 4GB miniSD this morning and it works fine
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Can you please said where did you buy the miniSD? Thanks
Hi guys,
I am wondering about the happiness of the union X7500 - Jabra 8010. Sometimes people I talk to tell me that they barely understand me because they hear disruptions/discontinuance in a voice coming from my side. This almost never happens for voice coming from other party. I am not saying the "couple" is responsible for this but it gets me thinking... What could be the reason for this? Why voice is not corrupted in both direction (up&downlinK)? Ohh, I have the BT configured to Stereo, but I think there is no difference in case of mono…
Is there any way I could test the voice quality coming from/to Jabra? Resco Audio Recorder? Anything else….?
jabra 8010 promblem with athena
i have the same problem.
This problem not only happens with my Jabra BT8010, but also with my other bluetooth headset i.Tech Clip D.
I have the same problem too, but not always happen this. Sometimes the quality is good, sometimes bad. If the headset properties on Athena is hands free the outcoming voice is clear. If you're connecting the Jabra with Athena and there aren't any stereo icon on taskbar coming up, the problem dont ocure.
I have WM5 on athena. Perhaps WM6 will solve this bug (Or a new Jabra update).
I tried it with another phones and it worked good.
Hi!
I have contacted HTC support for this and just received their reply. Man, they are "really quick" - 2.5hours - for the bullsh#!#t answer they provided...
Her is the reply:
"Good morning
We are very sorry to hear you are having problems with Bluetooth. You may find that Windows Mobile 6 may cure this problem when it is released for your device on the HTC eClub.
For now we would recommend using a compatible recommended Bluetooth headset as below:
http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=150737
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
"
I shall install Resco Audio Rec and try to record one of these problematic calls. Maybe it will make a difference presenting direct "evidence"...
Any other ideas?
I've got an X7501 Advantage with WM6 on it. I'll be getting the BT8010 in a week or so. I could test this out if that would help.
I have X7500 WM6 Jabra BT8010.
It just disconnects at random times. I will go back to my Jabra BT500 and use the BT8010 only when I want stereo music or other audio output.
Hopefully Jabra will take a look at this problem.
Bluetooth priority patch?
Just curious, have you guys tried installing the Bluetooth priority patch?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=262119
I believe it increases the priority given CPU wise for the bluetooth audio. It actually resolved a problem I was having with my BT8010 and the Universal, the audio during a call was a little choppy and callers reported that my voice was frequently dropping out no matter how close the device and headset were. After downloading and installing the registry edit in the 1st post of the thread I linked to above, problem is gone.
Please let me know if this works, I'm considering purchasing an Advantage and would want to know if it works with my Jabra BT8010.
Thanks,
Galt
hi guys
i've got the same problem.
but not only when using my jabra bt250v
but also when using the wired headset, or no headset at all
so imho this is not a bluetooth related problem
after installing wm6 the problem didn't improve at all.
HTC produce the best WM devices out there
and the Advantage is their flagship device.
These problems with the most basic function shouldn't happen.
And HTC's answer is just poor!
I'm sure they know about this problem and also know that WM6 doen't fix it
(or at least not the ROMs available until today).
I'm still waiting for another RadioROM to fix this fault.
hi galt,
Thanks for your post. I have manually entered the fix form your link:
"Make a new Dword value and name is Priority256 and then for the DWORD Data value make that 60 save and reboot. Presto no more lag, cuts or audio drop outs." since the attached reg file did not have the contents the author has been talking about. I made this reg file with a fix and would like to share with you...
I will test it and let you know how it goes...
Uros
Could someone monitor battery consumption with this fix?
There was a similar fix with A2DP and the current consumption was crazy, so I uninstalled it...
Good news so far
1. With the fix installed and the X7500 "at rest", there is no additional current drain = 90 mA.
2. With BT on playing music throught the Jabra BT8010 the current drain is about normal = 320 mA.
3. With BT off, the current drain returns to normal "at rest" current of 90 mA. With A2DPfix the current drain remainded at 400+ mA.
Good news so far!
NOW: the remaining question: Does it solve the problem of dropout?
I'll try it for a day or so and report back.
GREAT news so far
After 4 hours of listening to music (X7500 WM6 BT8010) with Priority256 installed, I can report:
1. One BT dropout that lasted less than 1 second!
2. Normal battery drain!
I have not used the phone enough to know if there will be and BT disconnects or voice issues, but I will report back on these issues soon.
Looks very good at this point.
So far so good
Hi,
It worked for me as well . Almost completely gone, except some tiny/small discontinuance from time to time... GREAT!
I've been using this fix for 3 days and so far having no complain from the people I talked to. Good fix indeed.
Thanks for posting the zip file, makes installation painless. Testing right now!
Well, so far so good. I did experience 2 or 3 drop outs during music play, but I can not contribute them to the device as I was in my office and an ambulance put on their sirens, somehow there must of been some interference.
The best thing about music play was that when the player switched to each successive song, there used to be an audible click or bump, that just isn't there now!
Did anyone ever confirm if this fixes outgoing audio problems? I've had several callers complain of noise/breakups coming from me, when they sounded normal. I know it wasn't a signal issue since this happens when the Advantage is next to me, and I've used my 8010 from 50 feet away through multiple cube walls plus one real wall...
techntrek said:
Did anyone ever confirm if this fixes outgoing audio problems? I've had several callers complain of noise/breakups coming from me, when they sounded normal. I know it wasn't a signal issue since this happens when the Advantage is next to me, and I've used my 8010 from 50 feet away through multiple cube walls plus one real wall...
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Try to upgrade your Radio ROM to v1.50. That'll solve most of your bluetooth problems.