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http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-10WindowsMobile5PR.asp
we havent had a official final release
at least i dont think we did guess checking the build nr would
solve that mystery
Yep, Thanks to the people here we got the beta.. But it should be better on the next release..
we only get a true next release if it's leaked
or if we count a release as the adddons and changes made unofficialy
by the hardworking members of the forum who tweak and mod it
it dont look like htc or tmobile or any of the official release places will release 2005 for xda2 ever
Back in mid August Slashgear.com reported that HTC told them there were two ROM updates for the Hero in the coming weeks. The first one should be released "within 10 days", while a major update would be coming in mid September.
As we all know many more than 10 days has passed since that report and we didn't get an official update. My initial though was that they were combining the two updates into one, since it is not a good idea to release two updates in a short period of time especially when installing the update require a wipe.
But honestly, beside the significant speed improvement, there is really nothing "major" in this ROM update, feature-wise I mean. Seeing the release of the 1.6 SDK today, I can't stop but think that the "major update" they mentioned is the Android 1.6 update for the Hero.
If you watch the video about Android 1.6 on Android Developer Blog, they mentioned that a main feature added to the 1.6 update is CDMA support. Since Sprint's Hero will be a CDMA phone, it needs Android 1.6. As Sprint is shipping their version of the Hero in October 11, I guess the "major" update for the Hero may get released around that time too. What do you think?
tsekh501 said:
Back in mid August Slashgear.com reported that HTC told them there were two ROM updates for the Hero in the coming weeks. The first one should be released "within 10 days", while a major update would be coming in mid September.
As we all know many more than 10 days has passed since that report and we didn't get an official update. My initial though was that they were combining the two updates into one, since it is not a good idea to release two updates in a short period of time especially when installing the update require a wipe.
But honestly, beside the significant speed improvement, there is really nothing "major" in this ROM update, feature-wise I mean. Seeing the release of the 1.6 SDK today, I can't stop but think that the "major update" they mentioned is the Android 1.6 update for the Hero.
If you watch the video about Android 1.6 on Android Developer Blog, they mentioned that a main feature added to the 1.6 update is CDMA support. Since Sprint's Hero will be a CDMA phone, it needs Android 1.6. As Sprint is shipping their version of the Hero in October 11, I guess the "major" update for the Hero may get released around that time too. What do you think?
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For being the "minor" update it was quite a big update...
I mean, headphone jack works flawlessly, LEDs are working too, a major speed optimization in the UI/OS... it was a well needed update. Now let's look forward to the Donut/1.6 update.
BRING IT ON Google/HTC.
i hope another update will be comeing soon because i´m missing the announced virtual java implementation
One quote for you all "Donuts. Is there anything they can't do?" - Homer Simpson
That's the major rom release, Donut SDK just got released today.
tsekh501 said:
If you watch the video about Android 1.6 on Android Developer Blog, they mentioned that a main feature added to the 1.6 update is CDMA support. Since Sprint's Hero will be a CDMA phone, it needs Android 1.6. As Sprint is shipping their version of the Hero in October 11, I guess the "major" update for the Hero may get released around that time too. What do you think?
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I concur with your reasoning here - Donut (1.6) is required for CDMA, and the Sprint Hero is CDMA. This will have a different radio obviously, but assuming the rest of the hardware is relatively similar (and the specs would seem to show this) there shouldn't be too much work for HTC getting this ROM working on the GSM Hero, so hopefully it will follow relatively soon after the Sprint Hero is released.
Regards,
Dave
The recent update is mostly UI (sense) optimisations. In addition there's a number of serious bugs in the applications that HTC needs to address. Some of these bugs were already solved in the applications delivered with the android 1.5 (cupcake) development-kit, so I really hope HTC fixes them too. This includes problems such as calls and SMS's that are missed, and HTC-mail being unable to display certain messages. There are also too frequent application crashes, if you compare the quality of this android-distribution to that of most regular linux distributions. Applications on a hand-held linux-device should be just as stable as those which are used on a linux desktop.
Sebastian768 said:
One quote for you all "Donuts. Is there anything they can't do?" - Homer Simpson
That's the major rom release, Donut SDK just got released today.
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Do you have a download link?
around to web browsing on the new ROM? Is the scrolling of pages fast on the websites as well like the Iphone 3GS? There was a lot of lag in scrolling web pages as well.
How are the web pages looking now?
Do we have an equaliser on the new ROM as well?
Has it resolved the google calender sync problem?
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The Donut SDK is on the official Android website, android.com
Drizzy (and Paul from MoDaCo I think) have said that they have a 2.8something version of the software but cannot leak it yet due to their source. Have no idea what it has to offer but hopefully it's another great boost!
I think this was the "minor" update if you can call it that. and that the bigge one will include 1.6 Donut
http://www.i-newswire.com/htc-hero-to-get-android-2-1-update/26667 --> Says that the much awaited 2.1 update for HTC Hero is postponed to the month of April.. :-(
Please some one say this is wrong.. I m hitting their support site thrice a day.. (UK, Orange)
Makes sense with the impending release of the legend and with the fact that even the milestone has not yet had its 2.1 update.
The wait continues.
Edit: that article is just stupid anyway read the last paragraph....
Lennyuk said:
Makes sense with the impending release of the legend and with the fact that even the milestone has not yet had its 2.1 update.
The wait continues.
Edit: that article is just stupid anyway read the last paragraph....
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hehe Nexus One is a HTC device so "never buying HTC devices again" but "Buying Nexus One" is kinda stupid
Although I must say, I would prefer Nexus One over the Desire just because I know Google will "always" make sure it'll get new software updates and the Desire updates will be postponed just like the Hero ones due to business agreements and SenseUI issues and more...
I have been using Legends n Eris's ROMS ported onto Hero, so far.. But all that I want is a stable 2.1 ROM from HTC.. Instead of releasing new phones like Legend (Which is just a metal upgrade for HTC Hero + 1GHz proc) they should have concentrated on releasing update for Hero which has a large customer base. And I even read somewhere that Both Sprint Hero n GSM Hero have won awards in their respective categories.. This aint happening..
harsha_aithal said:
http://www.i-newswire.com/htc-hero-to-get-android-2-1-update/26667 --> Says that the much awaited 2.1 update for HTC Hero is postponed to the month of April.. :-(
Please some one say this is wrong.. I m hitting their support site thrice a day.. (UK, Orange)
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This isn't a press release - it's rumour and supposition, the same as all the rumour threads on this site.
It may well be that the update doesn't come until April, but this poorly written article isn't an official HTC missive and therefore should be treated as hearsay at best and a fabrication at worst.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
This isn't a press release - it's rumour and supposition, the same as all the rumour threads on this site.
It may well be that the update doesn't come until April, but this poorly written article isn't an official HTC missive and therefore should be treated as hearsay at best and a fabrication at worst.
Regards,
Dave
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5903911#post5903911 -- This includes the official reply from HTC Customer Care person, who has clearly stated that updates are to be expected in Late April.
To get more on this, I myself has drafted a mail to HTC CC.. will post their reply once they come back to me.
Don´t bother, the shipped rom works wery well and with no MMS/GPS/Sound/ problems!
Read all the problems with coked rom´s on the net!!!
So I´m running on v1.5 until HTC release v2.1
waiting ?
Thank you HTC for 6 mounth waiting for nothing... Good hardware and diminished support!
Thank you for all Developers, for your time, your investment and your creativity.
Sorry for my english...
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Don´t bother, the shipped rom works wery well and with no MMS/GPS/Sound/ problems!
Read all the problems with coked rom´s on the net!!!
So I´m running on v1.5 until HTC release v2.1
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Thats your opinion, I am very happy running the custom 2.1 rom that I currently am and it has no issues at all (at least not for me)
Lennyuk said:
Thats your opinion, I am very happy running the custom 2.1 rom that I currently am and it has no issues at all (at least not for me)
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I agree that the custom 2.1 ROM give us lot of options. Full credits to all developers. But I just didn find a stable ROM yet.. :-(
Latest reply from HTC Customer Care regarding 2.1 Update for HTC Hero
New Response From [ Anthony (UK - Ireland Support (Tech)) ]
Dear Customer,
We understand that now that a phone running Android OS 2.1 is available that you are excited to get an update for your Hero. We are still hard at work building Sense for this new version but we expect to have the upgrade finished and ready to go soon. Please understand that it takes time to customize any Android version to ensure you have the intuitive experience Sense provides, and we hope you can be patient for just a little while longer.
Kind Regards,
Anthony M
HTC
Customer Information
Name Harsha S
Telephone +91 9176665288
Email Address [email protected]
Country United Kingdom
Inquiry Information
Inquiry Type Technical Support
Inquiry Description Hi, I have been waiting for Android 2.1 Update for my HTC Hero from last 3 months. All that I have got is news of update being getting postponed. Recent one told me that the update is coming in "LATE APRIL". :-( Harsha S
Issue Date & Time
2010/03/17 10:05
I think that HTC should schedule two differents update for each android device, one with clean android OS and optimized drivers focused on specific hardware, and one with optimized senseUI and others HTC customizations... in that case, it could follow OS upgrade very fast and satisfy who want to be updated with OS, and then take all required time to optimize and develop custom UI...
anyway... it is exciting to test and try custom 2.1 roms and the developers here at xda are doing a great work!
but it is also frustrating to wait for HTC official update!
Yeah getting access to a new kernal would be nice
Is this update so important???
We can flash HERO with a good working port rom and we have 2.1
I do not see the problem haha
160bpm said:
Is this update so important???
We can flash HERO with a good working port rom and we have 2.1
I do not see the problem haha
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Sure we have some nice 2.1 roms at the moment but they are inherently buggy with things that will definitely be fixed when we can lay our hands on an official rom things like battery life and 3d graphics.
harsha_aithal said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5903911#post5903911 -- This includes the official reply from HTC Customer Care person, who has clearly stated that updates are to be expected in Late April.
To get more on this, I myself has drafted a mail to HTC CC.. will post their reply once they come back to me.
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I've seen that too! I've seen all the threads, and not one of them has an "official" date in it.
The simple fact of the matter is that HTC customer care do not have a clue. Take anything you read as coming from them with a large pinch of salt.
Regardless, this doesn't change the fact that the "press release" you linked to is clearly not an official HTC statement.
Regards,
dave
What!?
Ok so this has pi**ed me off. I have been waiting for the 2.1 official update to be released now for a LONG time - the issue really is that it was "meant" to come around about now (mid March). It's the fact that it's seeming been pushed back and now artificially put on hold because they don't want to affect the freaking Leg-end. I'd much rather they just announced the update wil be available on a specific date - 23rd July for e.g. and then if it's early its a bonus. They must be aware/accept that Android users are going to be more tech-savvy than most and will therefore not appreciate being jerked around and left in the lurch while users of other Android handsets have 2.1 already and have for a while now = no real technical reason for the delay as far as I'm concerned.
Having said all the above - what do HTC care? If someone from HTC reads these forums then the above is my 2 cents and I think they would create a lot of GOODwill instead of resentment if they were more transparent with their customers. I'm seriously doubting whether to buy HTC or HTC made again because I *like* to be up-to-date with functionalities etc. A platform like Android was *made* to be upgradeable and improved upon and this is a clear case of HTC's beuracracy getting in the way of their customer service. They don't have to do jack sh*t for their customers though because of course once you've bought a phone you're usually locked in - but they sure as hell could learn a thing or two about engendering customer appreciation and loyalty.
So there will be people out there who think "What's the problem?! Your phone runs fine!" Well if you're asking that question then you're probably not reading this forum in the first place because then why would you have any interest in phone OS development and all the joys it brings.
I hope this report is wrong. I hope the ROM comes very soon because I guarantee HTC (not that they care) that delaying it much longer will do quite a lot to put people off their SenseUI phones and HTC in general. Apple is due to release 4.0 soon and Microsoft is about to unleash Winmo7 series so it's not like there's a lack of competition.
You all know what i MEAN - even if i didn't say it right!
I haven't yet found a single 2.1 rom that is stable enough to use daily and that includes my respect and reverence for the talent and hard work that goes into making these cooked roms.
Ola!
harsha_aithal said:
New Response From [ Anthony (UK - Ireland Support (Tech)) ]
Dear Customer,
We understand that now that a phone running Android OS 2.1 is available that you are excited to get an update for your Hero. We are still hard at work building Sense for this new version but we expect to have the upgrade finished and ready to go soon. Please understand that it takes time to customize any Android version to ensure you have the intuitive experience Sense provides, and we hope you can be patient for just a little while longer.
Kind Regards,
Anthony M
HTC
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OT: Handy tip! You *really* want to edit that post to remove your personal information!
Canned reply that we've seen before! This just goes to prove what I just said about the HTC CC staff.
We are still hard at work building Sense for this new version
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Except for the fact that the Legend and the Desire *prove* that Sense for 2.1 is already complete! Even if you can't buy one off the shelf today, if they are going to be available at the end of this month, they are already built, boxed, and probably with retailers right now.
Regards,
Dave
Unless they need to make some changes for the hero that we haven't considered?
Can't think what though
What's wrong with 1.5?
Why is everyone so desperate to get 2.1 on their Hero. The 1.5 ROM works very well for me anyway and I don't have any battery or any other problems.
I've tried all the various 2.1 ROMs on this board and while they are very well done I haven't found any to have the battery life of 1.5 so have always reverted back to the shipped ROM.
Now if 1.5 was full of bugs then I could understand all the fuss. As it's not - I can't.
Don't get me wrong I shall upgrade to 2.1 as soon as it's released I just can't understand the rush.
Is there some "must have" facility that I'm missing on the 2.1 ROM?
Today, I was able to get some vague, but confirmed information from Dell's chief blogger in regards to an upcoming upgrade for the DVP. Lionel, who is the chief blogger/front man for a lot of their service/support information has been a pretty reliable source in my dealings.
More or less we twitted back and forth and he confirmed for me that this update is coming soon for our device. He was not able to give any timeframe, but at least he confirmed for me that an update is coming.
So for all of you with all these different issues regarding freezing, wi-fi, and performance, they will be resolved with this update. We'll see(cross my fingers).
Any idea if camera performance will be fixed with any updates?
Very good news! I spoke with one of the Dell Mobility agents today and they have now been given an official problem/resolution list with upcoming bug fixes (no solid dates that I was given) there were a couple of items mentioned that had been resolved but not released. The list was extensive and included multiple items for the camera, wifi, bluetooth, speaker quality etc... Ask one of the reps to go over the list with you, they were good enough to look it up and read over a good portion of it after I told them I had already received multiple replacements and just needed confirmation that they were addressing the issues I had mentioned previously.
I called and asked the same thing. They said "Microsoft" is working on a fix. Had no other information....What details did they give you?
No details, just that the update will have both the OS updates as well as fixes to problems for our phone.
I did find this post over in the WP7 general forum about Microsoft being involved in fixing some of these problems for the DVP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939086
Seeing as how WP7's hardware and software are supposed to be standardized, this does kind of make sense.
richlee111 said:
No details, just that the update will have both the OS updates as well as fixes to problems for our phone.
I did find this post over in the WP7 general forum about Microsoft being involved in fixing some of these problems for the DVP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939086
Seeing as how WP7's hardware and software are supposed to be standardized, this does kind of make sense.
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I kind of downplay this. We all know something is coming for windows phone. And, generic fixes will help the Dell, because the chassis is built to specs all phones have. So some basic fixes, performance fixes, general common fixes, should occur. But specific Dell fixes, I extremely doubt. Dell released too late to be included. That's my guess.
While i know nothing about timelines I am without doubt that there are dell people working on this problem. I'm confident that it will be resolved sooner rather than later.
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While i know nothing about timelines I am without doubt that there are dell people working on this problem. I'm confident that it will be resolved sooner rather than later.
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While this is true....remember, it was only a few short weeks ago, or even yesterday, this forum was talking about Dell support being liars, cheats, thiefs and worthless. Now, these same people have this wonderful piece of information.
While I welcome any fix that comes, they most likely read it on engadget or something, and applied the logic, everyone phone will get some fixes to issues. Duh.
Remember once again....the reason for the delay in shipping the Dell in the first place, is still at the heart of the problems now. WiFi, SD cards, and other performance issues are all Dell based, not MS based. And, I suspect, that Dell must submit them to MS to be included in any update. This is not to say that MS doesn't have some work to do too. But, IMO, what troubles the DELL, is most likely owned by DELL.
Based on previous releases, then applying what you can read on other Tech sites, I would guess an update is more likely a March April thing, than a January February thing. Though, I can hope.
anybody know when will the update coming exactly? I have been search through google and some news says if coming on feb 7, then say it coming in march. is the is kind annoying.
will the update coming from microsoft or dell? would dell modify it update for dell made phones?
Microsoft hasn't made an official statement about the release date of the update yet. I think they will announce a definite date during the keynote (next monday 4PM GMT+1). As from there it is either that they are going to annouce that it will be downloadable 'as of right now' or later that month (early March), so I would say the estimate of 8 March might be quite accurate.
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anybody know when will the update coming exactly? I have been search through google and some news says if coming on feb 7, then say it coming in march. is the is kind annoying.
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This I can shed a little more light on. Microsoft has a 3-part update system in place, namely Microsoft (OS-updates), OEM (firmware-updates) and Carier (software-updates). The last one (as well as OEM apps) are done through marketplace, which we are quite used to now. The first two (OS- and firmware-updates) go through Zune and can be installed separately. This means that if Dell would release a firmware-update now, you could download and install it without altering the OS part of the device (as is the other way around with OS-updates).
However, knowing Microsoft for quite some time now, they probably try to minimize the updates you have to install. They do not want you to install an OS-update now, and a firmware-update next week. So they are probably bundling Microsoft and OEM updates in one single package, which might be the cause of the delay (rumored that Dell is fixing some issues in the next update). I do not really understand that tactic, but they are doing it for over 10 years now (think of Patch-Tuesday). In my opinion they should have released copy & paste, as soon as it was finished. Then release the speed update as separate one, this way people tend to think Microsoft's is really into Windows Phone 7. They are now too, but okay... anyway, that you didn't ask for.
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will the update coming from microsoft or dell? would dell modify it update for dell made phones?
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http://wmpoweruser.com/dell-venue-pro-mango-september-20/
Good news Dell Venue Pro users! Mango is coming officially on the Dell Venue Pro.
Dell has insisted, much like other Microsoft OEMs, that the Mango OS will be pushed out to current devices on September 20. Usually, Dell has a pretty good track record of releasing updates on Tuesdays (Nodo, firmware, Microsoft Security update). Combined with the other musings about Windows Phone Mango updates coming in mid September , the rumored release date gains some face validity. But to be safe, put the release date in the rumor folder because delays do happen
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i wonder if there will be anything different from the RTM? better auto settings for the camera i hope
Do you have to revert back to nodo or can you update from mango beta 2
I guess there will be new version of EM, as new version of firmware will be on the 7720.68 update.
See the picture from the link below:
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pcw/docs/475/412/html/42.jpg.html
Then we may have to figure out the registry and those dlls again.......
According to the Japanese media, typing in other languages, other than those 5, on the keypad should be supported.
Good news Dell Venue Pro users! Mango is coming officially on the Dell Venue Pro.
Dell has insisted, much like other Microsoft OEMs, that the Mango OS will be pushed out to current devices on September 20. Usually, Dell has a pretty good track record of releasing updates on Tuesdays (Nodo, firmware, Microsoft Security update). Combined with the other musings about Windows Phone Mango updates coming in mid September , the rumored release date gains some face validity. But to be safe, put the release date in the rumor folder because delays do happen
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I don't really get this article. In typical headline-grabbing style WMPU position this article it as fact, without providing any offical source or quote, but then go on to caveat it up to the hilt to cover their back. And typically this has been re-quoted all over the web without so much as a question. Yet up to this point many were saying that existing DVPs wouldn't get an official update. Where is the evidence that Dell have insisted this is true or official? Is it something the rep said in the video?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1260411
that post makes it pretty clear that dell is going to do an update.
phone from dell with mango and new firmware.
True, but that's a "brand new" phone. But still doesn't answer why WMPU (and everyone else who jumped on their bandwagon) are treating it as indisputable fact when, as far as I can see, in typical blog style, they've not backed it up with any source or quote.
Still, I guess we've not long to wait and find out!
Probably because the author knows people at Dell:
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...-pro-firmware-revision-coming-next-month.aspx
I'd guess Dell probably aren't allowed to announce a date until Microsoft officially launches Mango. There is a huge Microsoft conference happening at the moment (http://www.buildwindows.com/). Would be very surprised if Mango was not 'launched' officially during the conference.
20th September is the first Tuesday after the conference ends, so it's a plausible date.
Ah, that explains it then. Apologies all round for being such a sceptic!
Thanks - although I have no idea if the author has heard a whisper from Dell or is just taking an educated guess.
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Thanks - although I have no idea if the author has heard a whisper from Dell or is just taking an educated guess.
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yes it was rumored from a mutual contact that the dvp update would be next week. But I also know that whenever dates are given with dell, well...there are delays...(last f/w update for instance was delayed by a week as was the security update, and for that matter nodo was delayed so so many times).
I suggested to readers that delays do happen, like with any software/firmware update due to carrier testing or microsoft. With the previous f/w update, dell had the intent of releasing it the same week as reported, but in this case Microsoft waited to do a dual update (hd7 and venue pro updating) which is at their discretion.
Whether or not Microsoft will do that again is anyone's guess. That's why I recommended that
1. It is a rumored release date (but the contact is extremely reliable with his info given)
2. delays happen
Nothing major if it does happen. This is dell afterall...they have a record with delays...it wasn't super sensational to suggest that...
domineus said:
column A and column B
yes it was rumored from a mutual contact that the dvp update would be next week. But I also know that whenever dates are given with dell, well...there are delays...(last f/w update for instance was delayed by a week as was the security update, and for that matter nodo was delayed so so many times).
I suggested to readers that delays do happen, like with any software/firmware update due to carrier testing or microsoft. With the previous f/w update, dell had the intent of releasing it the same week as reported, but in this case Microsoft waited to do a dual update (hd7 and venue pro updating) which is at their discretion.
Whether or not Microsoft will do that again is anyone's guess. That's why I recommended that
1. It is a rumored release date (but the contact is extremely reliable with his info given)
2. delays happen
Nothing major if it does happen. This is dell afterall...they have a record with delays...it wasn't super sensational to suggest that...
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I would 'suggest' the only sure date for the mango release is whenyou see 'update complete' on your device. Until then, blah blah blah.
The circumstances for the release of mango is different than with Seven and NoDo.
With seven, it was all about timing. Small market release upfront, followed by reaction plan and response.
Nodo was an updat, nothing more.
Mango is a new device focused release. Its step 2 in the MS mobile plan.It released to Operators several weeks ago. What was released back in july is what youll see next week. Anything new since the RTM will be this years nodo. Historically, new OS's have rarely updated near launch date, the focus instead on the new device release. If MS/Dell have said the 20th, then hoorah for them. But i do not recall seeing anything official from them....excluding that twitter guy.
From someone who has the mango rtm already, but no longer uses the vp as my primary device, i can say i will not move back to the device as my primary device. Its slow and bulky compared to many of the android devices. I do however hold great hope for windows phone and will buy a new device when i see 4g, dual core, and wifi integrated calling. I believe windows phone is better than android. It just doesnt have all the cookies yet.
With the number of contacts i have at ms, i 'suspect' the release will be within the next 2weeks. But i said that back in June, and nothing has changed.
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I would 'suggest' the only sure date for the mango release is when you see 'update complete' on your device. Until then, blah blah blah.
If MS/Dell have said the 20th, then hoorah for them.
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But i do not recall seeing anything official from them....excluding that twitter guy.
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With the number of contacts i have at ms, i 'suspect' the release will be within the next 2weeks. But i said that back in June, and nothing has changed.
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That was my point and why I took issue with wording of the article. A prime site like WMPU should be very careful of giving the impression that they have seen an official statement committing to a date when all they have is rumour and hearsay (no matter how trusted the source).
Also, won't Dell (and other OEMs) need to build and test their proprietary hardware drivers (e.g. for the compass) before they roll the upgrade out to their devices? Or will have these been completed and submitted back to MS in time for the 'launch'?
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That was my point and why I took issue with wording of the article. A prime site like WMPU should be very careful of giving the impression that they have seen an official statement committing to a date when all they have is rumour and hearsay (no matter how trusted the source).
Also, won't Dell (and other OEMs) need to build and test their proprietary hardware drivers (e.g. for the compass) before they roll the upgrade out to their devices? Or will have these been completed and submitted back to MS in time for the 'launch'?
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i can vouch for the information. The person gave me a unit to personally test and write about. I'm pretty sure that's enough to vouch for their reputation.
But realistically, mobile sites are dicy on rumor mill, but that doesn't stop reporting at all. And sadly on more than one occasion, several sites haven't fact checked a rumor before it ran out of commotion (anyone remember the initial HD3 specs fiasco?)
I can understand your skepticism, but that's also why I indicated that delays happen and things get pushed back. Realistically anytime there is a date given by any dev, oem, or company, it always never EVER delivers on that promised date.
But it is news that many want to know about. And the source is extremely RELIABLE and about as official it is going to get regarding dell's restructuring of their mobile division.
You don't have to trust the date, in fact I suggest not to do so. But given the indication that mango is coming in that timeframe (middle of september) clarifies the position that the rumored release date gains more credibility. Also, since TMO gets a bevy of updates on Tuesday for windows phone camp (nodo, security, firmware), Tuesday at least is a relatively big day for tmo as far as pushing out updates are concerned.
That was the point of the article. Seriously no need to overanalyze it, it will make you old and gray =P
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That was my point and why I took issue with wording of the article. A prime site like WMPU should be very careful of giving the impression that they have seen an official statement committing to a date when all they have is rumour and hearsay (no matter how trusted the source).
Also, won't Dell (and other OEMs) need to build and test their proprietary hardware drivers (e.g. for the compass) before they roll the upgrade out to their devices? Or will have these been completed and submitted back to MS in time for the 'launch'?
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Agreeing with dom on this. Youll get old and gray reading digital papparrazzi. Know that the first time dell saw mango was NOT at the rtm date. They've had the bits for several months. They were test partners along with the other OEMs for several months. Fijal bits have been in their hands for 6-8 weeks and they have been privvy to prelim builds for several weeks before that. Test modes and package delivery have been their focus for several weeks now since changes to the packages must go through ms, not dell. Dell cannot add anything post handoff.
There is no question the release is soon. My only question is where it will fall in relationship to the new device release. If its before the release, then soon is soon. If its after, then soon could bè fall...and that lsts until december
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Agreeing with dom on this. Youll get old and gray reading digital papparrazzi. Know that the first time dell saw mango was NOT at the rtm date. They've had the bits for several months. They were test partners along with the other OEMs for several months. Fijal bits have been in their hands for 6-8 weeks and they have been privvy to prelim builds for several weeks before that. Test modes and package delivery have been their focus for several weeks now since changes to the packages must go through ms, not dell. Dell cannot add anything post handoff.
There is no question the release is soon. My only question is where it will fall in relationship to the new device release. If its before the release, then soon is soon. If its after, then soon could bè fall...and that lsts until december
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I wouldn't expect a new dell wp7 device any time soon =(
Hey Dom and everyone,
I just thought that I would chime in a little with this one. The rumored date of September 20 was the latest officially announced date given to OEMs (Dell in this case) from Microsoft at the time this article was written. Joe Belfiore of Microsoft has obviously gone on record as saying that Mango will now officially happen in the fall, meaning on or after September 23. Dell has finished their part of Mango and Microsoft is again stuck holding the ball in their court. Let's just hope history repeats itself on this one. Announced date + 1 week = Actual Date???? I will keep my ears pressed to the walls for this one and update if I hear anything new.
The "other" part of this rumor came true, please look at this thread title (Just received a replacement DVP and it's got Mango on it!!)
Dell was ready to ship some of their devices 1 week after the article was written. They ship device overnight and the thread was created on September 13.
jessej said:
Hey Dom and everyone,
I just thought that I would chime in a little with this one. The rumored date of September 20 was the latest officially announced date given to OEMs (Dell in this case) from Microsoft at the time this article was written. Joe Belfiore of Microsoft has obviously gone on record as saying that Mango will now officially happen in the fall, meaning on or after September 23. Dell has finished their part of Mango and Microsoft is again stuck holding the ball in their court. Let's just hope history repeats itself on this one. Announced date + 1 week = Actual Date???? I will keep my ears pressed to the walls for this one and update if I hear anything new.
The "other" part of this rumor came true, please look at this thread title (Just received a replacement DVP and it's got Mango on it!!)
Dell was ready to ship some of their devices 1 week after the article was written. They ship device overnight and the thread was created on September 13.
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same thing happened with the tmo update microsoft delayed it for a week for no earthly reason
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same thing happened with the tmo update microsoft delayed it for a week for no earthly reason
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for no earthly reason that you know of....
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domineus said:
I wouldn't expect a new dell wp7 device any time soon =(
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I didn't mean a new VP, I meant new mango devices in general......rarely are new OS's first distributed as an upgrade to existing devices. Usually new devices get it first...
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for no earthly reason that you know of....
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I didn't mean a new VP, I meant new mango devices in general......rarely are new OS's first distributed as an upgrade to existing devices. Usually new devices get it first...
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In the US at least only at&t has announced new hardware and they have committed to a fast update rollout so it would seem there shouldnt really be a delay due to new hardware.
its the 20th! cant wait if this is true!