how the hell do you turn off the device, if i press the power button once the screen goes completely black and i cannot tap anything but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it comes alive. if i press and continue pressing for two seconds, the screen simply dims and i can still tap on the screen?
so how do you switch it off?
and if you reset how do you prevent it from loading the T-Mobile customization?
Also, mine has a dead pixel and i have just opened it can i take it back as faulty? it's only one dead pixel but it's really really annoying...does it count as a fault. i'm gonna try and take mine back tomorrow
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
Longkesh said:
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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Well, when i do that the screen goes blank but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it goes back on again!!!!!!!!!!!!
To totaly turn off the device you need to slide the battery lock button out and then back in. It is the only way I have found to totaly turn the device off.
To lock the keys go into "settings" then "system" and choose "button lock" then choose "Lock all buttons except power button".
John
oh, i see. i thought it was like the other phones, nokia SE etc.
thanks alot for all your replies
thank you
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
sayreul said:
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
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I dont think it has anyhting to do with PDA. I have had 3 PDA's before. All of them had an "off" button that turned the thing off. Ditto for phones. So this is just Microsoft's strange decision. Dont make the guy feel back just because he is thinking logically - and they are not.
I've had quite a few PDAs over the years:- Casio E80? Psion 3, 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx, iPaq 3630, XDAI, XDAII, MDA Compact.
None of them have ever had an off button. They turn off the screen and may even slow the processor or put it in sleep mode. But they all kept their memory powered up and clock / alarms / appointments alive at all times.
This may change in the future as flash ram is now fast enough that you could actually run stuff from it so you could truly kill power (apart from clock and wakeup stuff) without emptying your memory.
My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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So, if your Palm completely powered down when you pressed this magic "off" button, how come the alarms still worked? How come it woke up when you pressed any of the four application buttons or tapped the screen? How come your data was still kept in RAM?
More wisdom from the skagen...
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
But this is not so for most PDA:s on the market.
Most PDA:s will go into some kind of sleep mode when you press the "off" button. And mostly it is not even a true sleep mode, a lot of processes are still running, and even network connections can be kept active. This is also the way most PDA users would want their PDA to work. Also, the way most PDA:s are built, a power down means resetting everything back to defaults and thereby loosing all of your data and third party applications. This could be cured by using non volatile RAM for all of the memory, but I guess there is probably a good reason why this is not normally done.
Actually, on most modern computers a short tap on the power button will put them in suspend mode and holding it for more than two seconds will turn them off. So the only thing that is really strange with the PDA is that a long press on the button will not even put it in sleep mode but only shut off power to the display. And as I actually don't know anyone that has ever used that worthless function I think they should probably replace it with a "real" sleep mode, where all of the hardware is actually shut off except for support voltage to keep the memory "alive".
bamse said:
If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
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On N 6100 ,and on all nokia phones, the clock alarm wake's up the phone... You then have a choice of whether to activate the phone or not...
Same with all the Siemens phones I owned ( 4 so far). When shutting off the phone, the clock and alarms keep working. The only thing that does not work, off course, is the radio so incoming calls are diverted to voice mail. But with the phone off, the alarms still wake me up!
It would indeed be a good idea if using the power button on any type of XDA would turn the device really off, using power only for keeping the clock working and the data stored...
If the alarms jeep working on your phone when in "off" mode it is not actually off but in a low power mode with the phone functions turned off. So what you are really asking for is that the power button should turn off the phone but keep the pda running. This seems quite useless to me. Exactly how often are you in such a hurry to turn off the phone?
Yes, the device is in sleep mode, but it is a very deep sleep indeed, since it uses close to zero power. When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button. Seems like rather a hassle, doesn't it, compared to a normal phone? So I don't mean for the PDA to keep running ful operations, but rather to power down to a level where it only uses a little power to keep the storage working. And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
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My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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This guy is unbelievable. You were claiming that your Palm turned completely off when you hit the off button - not a cellphone, jerk.
Koksie said:
When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button.
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Wrong - programs that can be _are_ suspended when you put the PDA into standby. Try it with MediaPlayer.
How do you know the Today screen is still running? Like you know the fridge light really stays on when you shut the door?
Wouldn't you be complaining more (because of the missed calls) if turning the PDA off to save the battery also killed the phone?
Most of us can get our heads round this - the Standby button on the side controls the PDA. The Flight mode controls the phone. Not exactly difficult, is it?
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And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
That's where you fall into sjkagen's trap, again. For the zillionth time, the Jam/Compact is not just a phone. It's primarily a PDA. That's why it costs so much more than a phone. And on a PDA, you need to be able to look up information instantly - not have to wait a minute for the darn thing to boot up.
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skagen said:
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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Oh skagen, how ignorant you are. Seems you cannot understand pictures, let alone words.
The label on the Jam "off" button is a line through a broken circle, which is the IEC symbol for STANDBY, not POWER OFF. Just like on all other PDAs, and your TV remote control.
See
http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf
Now look again at all your "phones" which completely shut down when you press the "power" button. What symbol do they have?
Seeing as you obviously have so much difficulty telling the difference between a cellphone and a Palm, a phone and a PocketPC, or a power switch from a standby button, here's another teaser for you.
1. How do cellphones manage to keep their memory when they are turned off or the battery is removed?
2. What is the difference between the memory in cellphone and that in most PDAs?
3. Why do most PDAs have Standby (Soft Off) and not Power (Hard Off) buttons?
Wow, seems like some people are getting really sensitive when I call the Magician a phone... Sorry if I insulted you guys, it is just that I compare it to a phone because I use it for that the most, but I do understand that it is actually much more than that!
I have no problems with the way the sleep button works, it is ok for me, I just wanted to say that there are other possibilities that could have been used to map the button to. Especially since some people would have liked the button to work more "phone wise". But since it is primarily a PDA, I see that this current application is the most logical thing for the button to do.
BTW you are totally right that most running apps are termintated when pushing the power button. Although WMP stays active in the running programs menu, the music is cut off. However, since the prog stays loaded, does this consume more power than shutting it down completey (e.g. with SPB Pocket Plus)?
I think the Today screen stays loaded BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE AFTER WAKE UP, just as you say: it does not have to be booted first. BTW: I have a little window in my fridge door to check wether the light goes off .
And please guys, don't call each other jerks or ignorant just because someone's questions or remarks anoy you. Reply polite or don't reply at all!
I can't for the life of me work out how to do it, the best I can manage is sending it to sleep, but its still ready to receive calls. I suppose I couls put it in flight mode then put it to sleep, but it would be easier if I could just turn it off by pressing a button without having to pull the battery
Basically you can't switch the PDA side completely off.
You can switch the phone off with Wireless Manager or Use the Flight Mode Link. Thats the same as powering off your Mobile Phone at night etc.
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I suppose I couls put it in flight mode then put it to sleep, but it would be easier if I could just turn it off by pressing a button without having to pull the battery
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Flight Mode IS the way of turning it off. However you could also use something like Pocket Zen Phone (search xda-dev) which adds 'profiles' to the phone/device - you can then turn the phone on/off (plus plenty of other operations) by just tapping an icon on the screen.
Firstly, a big thanks to everyone for all their help. As a relatively, well, simple user this forum has been great.
Something else I was wondering was that on my old pda it was possible to listen to music with the screen off (to save battery). It seems on the Atom this is possible as when I put it in standby mode the radio remains on, however when I try this using Media Player or TCPMP the music stops.
I have noticed that music does continue if I turn the backlight off, however as this does not seems to completly turn (the screen or the backlight) off, the battery is still used more than in standby mode ..... any ideas ?
It's possible that the radio is just independant hardware, like the phone (eg on the magician you can switch the phone to standby and still remain in a call).
But TCPMP etc are running software, so I think the best you'll get is screen off for those apps. There are certain power saving features you could implement, but screenoff is probably best for saving juice.
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Hmmm ... seem to of missed the obvious with my own question. TCPMP comes with the option to assign "Screen Off" to a hotkey within the settings menu. With this done I can turn the screen off completely, keep the music (and phone) running and save precious battery life.
These are my current customizations and turning off screen taps save me too much battery. It is important to turn those settings off because if you tap on the screen, the speaker will stay on for 1.5 second each and every time. You can hear the 1.5 second hiss if you listen closely. Disabling it makes my Xperia lasts almost forever.
Keep:
S2U2
SPB Diary on Today Screen
Alarm Master on Today Screen
Date on Today Screen
Uninstall:
Phoneweaver
Hourly Chime
Touch Flo 3D
Wisbar Advance
Turn Off:
Screen Taps Sound (each tap will eat your battery 500% more than without sound)
Hardware Buttons Sound (verbatim from above)
Auto adjust backlight
Modify:
Backlight is constant at 80%
Turn off backlight if device is not used for 10 sec
Turn off device if not used for 2 minutes
Habits:
Never turn off your phone to save battery if you are carrying the phone
Only turn off your phone if you are in the movie theater or if away from phone
What's "forever" for you? What do you do with your phone?
Firefall! said:
What's "forever" for you? What do you do with your phone?
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It lasts 1.5 hours longer on media playback
2 hours longer on games
2.5 hours longer on business activities
5 hours longer on standby
Sounds good, but why does auto adjust backlight drain the battery quicker?
WhyBe said:
Sounds good, but why does auto adjust backlight drain the battery quicker?
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was wondering that my self too - maybe because its calculating info from the LDR and such? Is the 80% what it is usually at because that seems pretty high
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Sounds good, but why does auto adjust backlight drain the battery quicker?
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Oh, it's just an assumption. I'm only guessing that the ambient light sensor is no longer automated and therefore it takes less processing. And constant lighting allows for the light to not need to adjust itself.
Background applications and automatic function and unnecessary bits waste battery
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was wondering that my self too - maybe because its calculating info from the LDR and such? Is the 80% what it is usually at because that seems pretty high
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I chose 80% because I want my screen constantly bright and when in the dark doesn't burn my eyes.
is there any way to shut off the sound that the lock/hang up key generates while on the today screen?
that also produces a bit of a short sound wave.
poetryrocksalot said:
Habits:
Never turn off your phone to save battery if you are carrying the phone
Only turn off your phone if you are in the movie theater or if away from phone
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or never turn it off at all... standby barely uses any power and turning it on again uses a lot. Just sayin'
gundamboy said:
is there any way to shut off the sound that the lock/hang up key generates while on the today screen?
that also produces a bit of a short sound wave.
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Yes, follow my Steps:
1) Press Call
2) Tap Menu
3) Tap Options
4) Look for "Keypad:"
5) Change the "Keypad:" option with OFF.
6) This will turn off the end key and the numeric keys.
7) Seriously though, if you want to disable the end key tone but keep the numeric key tones active, then you obviously have no logic at all.
8) Chances are that you dial the numeric keys more often then you press the end call button. Might as well turn if all off.
9) Since you know that the end key is pressed very rarely you might as well not mind it being enabled as a tone (especially if you need tactile hearing for the dialpad).
Therefore the end key is not a very big battery drainer.
Also I have a Samsung SCH-i760 Windows Mobile phone and when I press a numeric key / end key / or enable button and tap tones... there are no 1.5 second hissing noise. The stereo speakers are always inactive. This is a major flaw that causes your Xperia to lose a lot of battery very quickly. Perhaps this is how all mono speakers work? Does anyone know?
I was referring to the physical button.
probably should have been more specific, but it's fine, I barely touch it anymore!
and thanks for the tips, although the remark about me having no logic was hurtful.
Haha, sorry but the title of driving me crazy. It should be either; "Yes! Now my battery lasts longer." or "My battery lasts longer now(, or : or Yes!". Still it works better the first way. Sorry hah, it's just one of those things that keeps repeating itself over and over in my head.
USB Charge
I have got some experience with the battery charging.
Using USB charge or any charger with 500MA can make my x1 live 30min long than the original battery charge.
I'm using elfin running WM 6.1. The prob is that when i play a song in the audio manager and try to switch of the phone's display, the song stops playing. I used to do this in 6.0 and unfortunately this is not working in 6.1!(just to save power) Any thoughts on this?
bumpp... in no one's mind..?!!
Well... when the display goes off, the phone goes into a kind of "standby" mode, all in a effort to conserve battery power... even the wireless is turned off =)
dgcarter said:
Well... when the display goes off, the phone goes into a kind of "standby" mode, all in a effort to conserve battery power... even the wireless is turned off =)
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the reason why i posted this doubt is that, when i was using 6.0, the audio used to play even when the backlight is off.. now this is not happening in 6.1..
Yes, audio usually stops playing when the screen is off, its normal.
Some programs like coreplayer allow you to go the menu and press on the key that says, Turn off backlight, which will allow the music to continue to play.
If you use the Onyx ROMS, press and hold the power button and click on backlight.