Is there a way to have 2 SIM cards (1 in universal and 1 small mobile) with the same telephone number so i can use the small phone in the evenings etc, but not have to swop the SIM between devices.
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Steve
Depends what country you're in. In some countries (namely outside Europe) you can clone a sim and use that in both phones. Use one at a time or the cell towers will get confused. Probably not entirely legal but not sure.
SIM cloning depends on the type of encryption in your SIM. Newer sims can't be cracked easily, if at all, AFAIK.
In some countries your operator can issue more than one sim with the same number. I think Tmobile does this in Germany.
V
iirc Orange offer this service:
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http://www.scancom.co.uk/product.php/1171/500/
xiasma said:
iirc Orange offer this service:
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http://www.scancom.co.uk/product.php/1171/500/
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Thanks
I am in the UK on Vdafone and they say whilst they can do this for 2 voice only SIMs, they are not able to do it with 1 data (universal) and 1 voice.
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http://msmobiles.com/news.php/3965.html
Does anyone have any further information on whether a special 3G SIM card is necessary to use the HTC Universal? If this is true, it is terrible news for people who'd like to use it in the USA.
Does anyone have an email address for a decision maker for one of the US carriers (T-Mobile USA, preferably)? Maybe if we send some rational emails, they will decide to pick it up.
It will be necessary to get a new simcard to work on a 3G network... though the Universal will work with any sim card without the benefits of a 3G network (i.e. if you put a 2.5G sim in you will be able to use GPRS in it etc)
I have an Xda Exec on evaluation. I can confirm it works with SIM as well as USIM, without issue.
aadvark said:
I have an Xda Exec on evaluation. I can confirm it works with SIM as well as USIM, without issue.
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Pls tell us more...about USB Host fuctionalities etc... battery life...Wi Fi..Bluetooth.Can we listen songs over Bluetooth Headset...?
Any issues related to twisting and turning of screen...Pls
If your carrier offers a 3G network you can get a USIM for no money - or the cost of the SIM so you can access the UMTS network.
SIM - lets you access a GSM network (or an iDEN network)
USIM - lets you access a GSM and a UMTS network
RUIM - lets you access a CDMA network - in theory GSM networks too for roaming (mentioning this for brownie points lol )
Hi Folks
Does anyone have a soft copy of the handbook for the Universal they could post or mail me? Love to have a read.
Also, for the 3G calling, does it use a sim or usim?
cheer
Brett
mavrik64 said:
Hi Folks
Does anyone have a soft copy of the handbook for the Universal they could post or mail me? Love to have a read.
Also, for the 3G calling, does it use a sim or usim?
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Brett
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3G traffic (be it data or video) always require a USIM. If you don't have any, you cannot get onto the 3G network. I'm actually having this issue, as I travel to the UK a lot, where T-mobile has a live 3G network. As I do not have a USIM (since T-Mobile NL doesn't offer 3G yet), I cannot roam onto their 3G network, only onto GPRS...
Bugger...
My operator (Telenor in Norway) enables the customers to use their OLD SIM cards and still have full 3G access!
My SIM card is from 2004, but customers may use cards that go back to July 2000 on the 3G network..
There has been some Over The Air updates, but these might be for something else..
The user only gets a SMS saying: "You SIM card has been updated, please reboot your phone."
So we can use the same SIM on a new and old phone, 3G or no 3G...
http://www.manuals.t-mobile.co.uk/start.asp?manual=1217
Not 100% what you're after, but hope that helps.
stamppot said:
3G traffic (be it data or video) always require a USIM. If you don't have any, you cannot get onto the 3G network. I'm actually having this issue, as I travel to the UK a lot, where T-mobile has a live 3G network. As I do not have a USIM (since T-Mobile NL doesn't offer 3G yet), I cannot roam onto their 3G network, only onto GPRS...
Bugger...
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Well, I'm using a 4-year-old T-Mobile SIM in my JasJar, and I'm getting 3G access with absolutely no problems...
I didn't think there was such a thing as a USIM exactly? I got the impression that a "USIM" was just a normal 3v SIM card which has been enabled for use on the UMTS network. And that's done by pressing a button at T-Mobile 'Command Centre'...
'3' here in the UK make a big deal about USIM cards, and how you have to have one to use a 3G phone, but that only seems to apply to their handsets, because they put about 800 billion security locks on each of them. In my experience, Vodafone and T-Mobile don't require you to upgrade the actual SIM card at all, and I assume that Orange and O2 are the same.
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Well, I'm using a 4-year-old T-Mobile SIM in my JasJar, and I'm getting 3G access with absolutely no problems...
I didn't think there was such a thing as a USIM exactly? I got the impression that a "USIM" was just a normal 3v SIM card which has been enabled for use on the UMTS network. And that's done by pressing a button at T-Mobile 'Command Centre'...
'3' here in the UK make a big deal about USIM cards, and how you have to have one to use a 3G phone, but that only seems to apply to their handsets, because they put about 800 billion security locks on each of them. In my experience, Vodafone and T-Mobile don't require you to upgrade the actual SIM card at all, and I assume that Orange and O2 are the same.
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Hmmm, you learn something new every day... It could be that one can indeed update the SIM to a USIM with a OTA update, I just hadn't heard about that before. I might put in a phonecall to T-Mobile...
Thanks for the heads-up!
I'd better just point out that my last post was entirely guesswork on my part, based on the fact that my old T-Mobile SIM, and my sister's (3-year?)old Vodafone SIM both work perfectly in 3G devices.
In my case, I never even told T-Mobile that I'd bought a 3G phone, the SIM just worked on 3G from the second I put it in, so no OTA upgrade needed? (Of course, maybe they gave us UK customer's an upgrade one night without telling us?!)
My sister got an official Vodafone upgrade to a 3G phone, so they may have done an OTA thingy at the time, but the actual physical card is the same...
I have a UK purchased O2 XDA exec, but now live in the USA. The O2 XDA exec is supposedly unlocked for any sim cards (I have been using a Virgin sim in the UK fine) .
I purchased a PAYG USA T-mobile sim that won't work, anyone got it working, or if I need a different kind of sim?
As soon as you put in the sim, it comes up with incorrect sim message.....
Is it possible that O2 could have it unlocked to European or UK but Locked to USA sim? Strangely there does not seem to be any way of putting in an unlock code in any case.... it just gives the incorrect sim message..............
Hopefully it will work with another sim???!!!
Any help greatlt appreciated!
I have a qtek 9000, which was never locked. I live in Poland, and tried 3 sim cards from plus gsm. They all gave the same message you are getting. The only card that worked successfully was the plus gsm 3g sim card. Also, cards from another company worked. There seems to be some difference in 'new' and 'old' sim cards, and the universal is very tempermental if you don't have the right one.
I have a qtek 9000, which was never locked. I live in Poland, and tried 3 sim cards from plus gsm. They all gave the same message you are getting. The only card that worked successfully was the plus gsm 3g sim card. Also, cards from another company worked. There seems to be some difference in 'new' and 'old' sim cards, and the universal is very tempermental if you don't have the right one.
I have an O2 XDA EXEC from the UK which I purchase from a friend and have him sent to me here in the US. I am using Cingular without any problems.
Remeber guys, Not all operators in the US use the same frequencies/sim types as their European Counterparts.
If the sim is trying to operate on a frequecny that the universal is not able to use, then it might cause this problem.
superseagulls:
As far as I know - a device which is SIM UNlocked cannot be locked to specific SIMs.
It is far more likely that the cellular operator that you have purchased your new SIM in the USA from is using different frequencies than are supported by or in some cases selected within your device;
OR (possibly) the operator puts some usage limitations/locks within the SIM - ask your new operator about using GSM devices which are not purchased from them and which frequencies are used.
I suggest you initially ask them anonymously in case they DO have problems with devices other than their own
jasjar on T-mobile
I am using a jasjar on T-Mobile in the USA. I got 3 phones on a family plan, took the SIM out of one to put in jasjar, and it has worked with no problems. I told the sales lady I would be putting the SIM into a 3rd party device, and she didn't see any problem with that. It was a Motorola phone, but I don't have the model number offhand.
Cheers.
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I have a UK purchased O2 XDA exec, but now live in the USA. The O2 XDA exec is supposedly unlocked for any sim cards (I have been using a Virgin sim in the UK fine) .
I purchased a PAYG USA T-mobile sim that won't work, anyone got it working, or if I need a different kind of sim?
As soon as you put in the sim, it comes up with incorrect sim message.....
Is it possible that O2 could have it unlocked to European or UK but Locked to USA sim? Strangely there does not seem to be any way of putting in an unlock code in any case.... it just gives the incorrect sim message..............
Hopefully it will work with another sim???!!!
Any help greatlt appreciated!
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Your PAYG sim might be looking for special settings on the T-Mobile phone. When I workjed at T-Mobile UK we tied the Java extras on the SIM to the handset, so if you used a non t-mobile handset you didn't get the extra features.
You probably have an old 8k or 16k SIM,
Is it more than a year old,
The XDA Exec etc all require the latest 32k SIMs to work,
You should have no problem with T-Mobile USA just explain you need an updated SIM for a new phone
I have the same problem with Optus, Australia. Anyone know what frequency they run on?
Frequencies:
USA/Canada GSM 800, GSM 1900. UMTS 1900. UMTS 800
Europe, Asia, Middle East, Africa, Oceania: GSM 900, GSM 1800, UMTS 2100
South America: A mix of the above
The only SIMs which look for specific firmware in the US are TracFone and Net10. The SIM probably needs to be replaced. This is aproblem in other newer phones too
I've just got an Exec as a free upgrade to my beloved XDA II so I phoned O2 to ask about their 3G service.
In short, if you get an Exec from O2 you should also be given a new 3G SIM for free. If you haven't, call them to say you haven't and they'll send one. No reconfiguring of the Exec is necessary (they say). I'm guessing this doesn't apply if you're a pre-pay client, but who knows?
G
(I suppose I'll have to change my name to 3Goldry soon...)
I don't think a new SIM is required for 3G access... I had a Vodafone Pay&Go SIM well before I got my V1640, and it works on UMTS.
Yes you do require a sim that is compatable, although it is possible your existing one will support the UTMS, if not simply call in to the O2 shop and they will give you the SIM for free, activate it and away you go....
Huge bills - stupidly expensive access charges, but a super quick connection - oh - and did I mention the battery life, UTMS kicks the cr*p out of your battery, I have seen mine decrease even when connected to the car charger - Mike
some theory
3g requires a thicker sim card. You eill not be able to use 3g band with a standard gsm sim. hence no video calling, etc.
its a fact, ie - its a standart.
igs said:
some theory
3g requires a thicker sim card. You eill not be able to use 3g band with a standard gsm sim. hence no video calling, etc.
its a fact, ie - its a standart.
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3G is a thicker SIM? I've not noticed any difference with my T-Mobile SIMs..?
O2 have different SIMS for 3G and GSM. The 3G SIM has some extra information on it which means that a GSM SIM in a 3G phone will not allow 3G data.
I went into an O2 shop and they charged me £10 for a new 3G SIM which they then registered to my account and threw away the old one.
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£10 for a new SIM? That's a joke! I might just go back to Vodafone then in that case...
I just had this with Orange.
I bought a SIM from a market stall for £5 thinking that it would be cheaper than going to Orange for it.
I put it in my Uni, got it all registered and everything was fine until I asked 450 why I wasn't getting a 3G icon.
I had to go to the Orange shop, pay another £5 for a SIM (USIM, 3G SIM) and then ... The fun started.
I put £20 on the USIM when I bought it, it was pre-activated. I took it home, phoned 450, got them to change the number from my old SIM to the new one. I asked if the £20 would be credited accross and he said "yes, within 24 hours".
I waited and it didn't appear. I phoned 450 and the nice gentleman in India told me there was sweet FA he could do to help, go see the Orange shop.
I went to the shop and they told me that ev erything had been done wrong, that they shouldn't even sell USIMs without a new 3G phone to go with it.
I got my £20 back though and am now fully 3G (when in coverage).
The USIM isn't any thicker than the 2G SIM, but it is a different color.
So you're saying that the orange SIM card was meant to be free? Or were you not meant to get it at all?
I think the virgin 'normal' free sims can be enabled to be 3g simply by sending a message to 80310 with the word “Video” but o2 use special seperate 3g sims. From what I understand there is extra capacity on the newer 3g sims but for current 3g services we don't need them hence why virgin's can be enabled.
I have o2 sim and am planning to be off on my travels so am in the process of setting up my universal (xda exec) to use a virgin sim in this as you can roam in Japan only on a 3g sim.
Let us bare in mind that these most extreme cases are pay as you go deals where its "not subsidised"....
If anyone puts some marketing sense into it it will be clearer to understand what all the comotion is about.
Eventually all charges for sims etc on paygo will be waved.... for the moment its a matter of choice.
BR
There's no such thing as a 3G SIM.
Yes there are different SIMs available (with more on-board memory) but at the end of the day they all have to fit into the same SIM shaped hole in your phone.
The handset and features on your account determine whether or not you can access 3G.
actually there is a specific SIM for 3G. It is same shape and size but does not work in older 2G phones..... However, 2G SIMs all work in most 3G Phones
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actually there is a specific SIM for 3G. It is same shape and size but does not work in older 2G phones..... However, 2G SIMs all work in most 3G Phones
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Not entirelly right m8...give it a try if you have one and you will see I have my o2 rg sim and works fine on other 2g phones...that also goes for another PAYGO 3g vodafone card that i got hanging around...obviously when it comes to three uk its a diferent story since they do not offer a gsm service and rely on 02 lines where there is no coverage from them and this costs them money.
BR
Hi, I have a unlocked Wizard & my T-Mobile contract has just expired, I was just wondering if a 3G sim (3) would work in it as there are some cheap deals on that network? I wouldn't use it for video calls so thats not a problem.
im 99% sure they DONT! however maybe someone there can prove me wrong
I'm using a Cingular 3G SIM in my 8125 with no problems at all.
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I'm using a Cingular 3G SIM in my 8125 with no problems at all.
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a cingular 3G sim and a "3" UK usim are not the same, one runs at 3 volts (sim) and the other at 5 Volts (usim)
Aha! More than I knew! I knew it! Thanks for correcting me..
i was having problems going on line when i first got my wizard, tried everthing even customer suport couldnt figure it out. well i finaly went to store to exchange my unit and one of the reps asked to look at the sim. sure enough thats what it was i didnt have a 3g sim. all is welll now
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i was having problems going on line when i first got my wizard, tried everthing even customer suport couldnt figure it out. well i finaly went to store to exchange my unit and one of the reps asked to look at the sim. sure enough thats what it was i didnt have a 3g sim. all is welll now
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what our american brothers call a "3g" sim and what the network provider called "3" use are slightly different things.... a american 3g sim is simply a normal 128k provisioned with extra services I.e. data and video calling (this is the same way all the gsm uk networks work too) however with "3" being the first 3g only network in the world they choosed to use the next generation of sim card called a usim which don't work in lots of non 3g phones including the wizard. try googling the word "usim" to see wot I mean
Under 3's terms and conditions you are not allowed to use their sim in a 2.5g phone. If you do use one and it works, they will eventually block it and send you a new sim with a gentle reminder that you are in breach of Ts and Cs.
Cheers Chaps, 3 it isn't then!
My O2 UK 3G UMTS sim works perfectly in my Wizard.You just can`t really get the benefits from it (Faster GPRS/EDGE etc....).