I will post my problem with the Himalaya XDA-II, wishing from the experts and colleagues to help me find a solution , since I live in a very bad country that provides ZERO maintenance, so I wish I find the cure in this awesome forum.
My story started when 2 drops of Tea, was spit on the LCD of the XDA-II, after which I tried to clean it, but in a very strange way the liquid went beneath the LCD and its protecting plastic screen, The factory one not an additional one like by Covertec or else.
I managed to open it and also using a cutter I opened the plastic seal and cleaned, after I put everything together and after using blower to dry and remains of the liquid, and when I fixed it back, I had the common (Align Screen), but when I configure the screen using the 5 points for setting up the display, it Just LOOPS and does not want to exit from this screen, I made this alignment like 30 times now but went all in vain, and I cant access the system, its locked to this screen, and when I touch in any place over the screen, the cursor move from one corner to another.
I tried to install (Pocket Controller 4.12 - Enterprise) so that I use its Built-In Task Manager, to close the (Align Screen) Task but also in vain.
When finally went to the dealer he told me I have to change the LCD with a new one which costs 300 $, which equals to the price of a used XDA-II. Is this fair?
This is my story wishing really from all of my heart that somebody helps me. And I'll never forget this favor ever.
Thanx
Willy
Although not an XDA specialist, the calibration should follow the standard way.
The device starts and looks for calibration data in [HKLM]\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\TOUCH. If it is not there, the calibration screen will show. There is another file \Welcome.net, which will control, wether you have to make the Dr. Johnson Test.
My idea now is, that you create the calibration data automatically, so the device will overcome the calibration screen. As I dont have the normal calibration data, I can only provide dummy data.
Beside this, the calib screen will not accept your calibration, if the taps are outside a maximum tolerance.
Enclosed is a tool called NoWelcome.exe, copy this with the name AutoRun.exe into the dir 2577 of a memory card and insert the card before or after you switch on the device.
I hope, that will you get further
Josef
Be aware, if the touch screen is misaligned, you will have problems hitting anything.
source code:
Interesting utility from Hjgode! But in this case I think the touch screen is out of order. Even you can bypass the welcome screen you can no longer use this touch screen for interacting with the device.
There are 2 parts in a LCD Screen: a display screen and a touch one. You can safely disassemble these two parts, clean them and assemble them to use again. But there are still 2 parts in a Touchscreen: a plastic sheet and a glass one. I am in doubt if you can use them again once you seperate them out.
Of course 300$ for a LCD Screen is too expensive! Any way, in this case you have to change only the touch sceen but not the whole screen and it usually costs less than 100$.
Related
i ve a xda2 it fell in water and after that i got it dried n cleansed from a dealer but now the problem is that it only works upto the "align screen" intial setup and downt move any further i also tried to ugrade with WM5 bt same thing, Please help me. I shall be thankfull to all to you.
Kindly help
Hi,
try to clean board with isopropyl alcohol or in ultrasonic cleaner. Maybe it can help you.
jsec
Is it really dry? It can take some time...
See this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22275&highlight=
Andre
Replace the battery
I had the same problem after my mda ii went through the washing machine. Replacing the battery fixed the problem.
thanks guys for the replies , further my XDA had been properly dried and cleaned but now the problem is that the machine doesnt operate further than the "ALIGN SCREEN" setup where one has to tap the screen at four corners and the center one I tap the screen i return to the same screen as ask to tap the screen again.
Will flashing the rom serve any purpose or is it aa hardware problem, rest of the device seem to be ok even the bluetooth light flashes when i turn the XDA ok. But not able to get i any further from there.
So what do the experts have to say, Please reply.
thanks again
well, mine had very hot coffee poured all over it.
my suggestion to you would be, dont turn it on or place the battery for at least 3 days if under normal drying conditions only.
or if you know how to take it apart, spray everything with contact cleaner, it will dry up immediately,
then cross your fingers and hope nothing shorted out when it first went inot the water.
strategy is - wait - dry- wait - test - dry some more - spray contact cleaner - dry - test - until such time it works. coz some moisture might still be present and causing a little bit of short circuit.
It sounds more of a hardware issue than a software issue and you may have to take is apart to fix it.
Try two things, Number 1: (You need to use some latex or vinyl gloves if you need to take your unit apart). You are going to need to check your digitizer connection to the motherbaord, make sure you don't have any mosture trapped in the ribbon lock and make sure the entire front part of the digitizer is flush against the inside case edge. Number 2: Have you seperated the digitizer from the LCD yet? If this thing was in water the slightest spot of moisture will disrupt the very small electrical field between the digitizer and the LCD that recognizes the stylus taps. Abosolutly nothing should be present between the two and also around the white or grey strip on the inside of the digitizer for it is also a contact strip. You can use a lens cleaning cloth to clean any dust and moisture from the inside of the digitizer before you put it back together with the LCD. Being I worked on about 150 toshiba e750's that suffered sprinker damage in a fire, I learned quite bit on what makes a Pocket PC tick. Good luck with getting it working.
the same
I had the same problem 3 or 4 years ago with a HP Jornada 680 (handledPC). I must unfortunately say that I could never get my touchscreen working back again. Perhaps if you could change your screen for a new one, or at least one that always worked (some are sold around the www, even a few by members here if i remember).
Good luck
Shane
the stylus is working as the sceen responds to the tabs, but the process of calibarating the screen doesnt finish and keeps on repeating. and it asks to align the screen again.
The digitiser is working but the software doesnt seem to be working...
what do you have to say?
and thanks for the reply
guys thanks for the reply
but no luck... is there any sofware that can check if the components are working and ok, or simply what should i do. The info about the problem in a nut shell is
First the loading happpens with the O2 screen then the "Windows mobile screen says Tap the screen to setup the pocket pc" Then when i tap the screen next screen comes saying "ALIGN SCREEN" with a crosshair in the middle of the screen when i tap it with the stylus it moves till all four corners are tapped which crosshair point to. But now the problem begins.
The same screen repeats and asks for the same procedure again and again and again And the Xda processing doesnt move further.
i even flashed the ROM but same thing........
no luck
HELLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPP!!!!!!
REPLACE THE BATTERY
Have you bought a new battery yet?
Like I said above, my MDAII went through the wash. Just like you, i got the align screen process followed by a spontaneous hard reset. I bought a new battery, charged it up in the cradle overnight, then popped it into my machine. Good as new.
Don't mess with the software until you try a brand new battery.
Cheap and effective.
Hmm, the touch screen is responding to taps, but maybe its a bit 'offset'.. I mean maybe when you tap exactly center, it will receive your tap to be a lot more offset to right, left, up or, down.. Cos that's what making the 'align screen' asks you to realign again and again..
Hi Tanvir,
I want some of the others to advise on what I am suggeting. On my xda I ( which I own as well as a Blue Angel) we are able to put it into boot mode and press the "action" or was it the "contact" button to get it into test mode. Being I don't own a Himalaya but I would guess that they would have that function too, and in that function it has a test for the aligment screen which it might be able to align in the test mode away from the OS running. If someone has the tip for helping Tanvir of getting his unit in to test mode, Please someone post it for him. Also being I don't own the XDA 2 if anyone has anything to add on my suggestions, the floor is open. let me know how it's going Tanvir. Cheers.
Shane
I'm sure Tanvir's digitizer is no more...
Go to www.ppctechs.com and purchase a new one... not that expensive!
Good luck!
Rayan
Hi shane,
thanks for the help and time i ll try the process u suggested and lets see what happens, i ll inform you if any luck,
An thanks to all the guys for helping,
Thanks
Tanvir
hi jamil
ive guessed that posibility too, but the question is there is no way to fid out if it s he reason...
thanks
tanvir
Guys, I hope you can help me!
I was using my Imate Jasjar when it was accidentally bumped by another person. the Jasjar fell but it wasn't that high and the floor was carpetted. However, I noticed that whenever i try to tap on the Start button on landscape mode, the calendar application opens up! And when I try to tap V-Bar on the other corner opposite the Start button, the Contacts application opens up. Basically, the soft keys on the bottom screen are the one opening up even if I'm tapping the ones on top! If I tap the bottom soft keys, I thought the Start button or my V-bar would come out but still the Calendar and Contacts applications were the ones that opened. Basically the everything on top cannot be tapped!
On Portrait mode, I can tap the start button but when the V-Bar was tapped it still opens the Contacts application.
I went to Settings then Screen to re-align the screen. I thought it would solve the problem but apparently it didn't! I was trapped in the Align Screen section giving me an endless loop to tap the 5 areas of the screen.
I now did a Hard Reset, and now I'm forever got stucked to the Align Screen part.
What am I supposed to do??? Please help!!!
Hi,
Seen the same problem... Try to guess the error margin of the alignment...
for example instead of tapping in the center of the cross try tapping on left or right... Since your screen isn't aligned you can't press on the center...
Now the problem is hardware, not the MB but the LCD...
After tou figure out the margin error, the Universal will resume and then you ca align the screen via Start->Settings->System, align screen
I'll try to know more about this problem asking my friend.
Best of luck
thanks for your reply!
i also believe that it has something to do with the LCD. there are no cracks whatsoever. problem with the aligning is i have to keep on guessing. and if ever i do align the screen successfully, i'm not sure if re-aligning the screen in Settings would solve the problem.
i would appreciate though if your friend or anybody else can shed light to a solution.
This is a simple problem to solve ;-)
When the allign screen is ON and you have to make the first tap on the crosshair (just before you start clicking away to allign your screen), twist your display from landscape to portrait mode...
Now continue to allign it as usual, and you should finish successfully!
Cheers,
San
unfortunately, after following your instructions, i still went on an endless loop on aligning the screen. i'll try to reflash the rom and see if it would work. i hope it does...
i updated my ROM. still stuck on the alignment screen!
any more ideas?
To be honest, sounds like your screen is broke. Even if you got it to align, I doubt it would be very usable. I think you are looking at repair - if there's no visible sign of damage, you might get away with a warranty repair.
Cheers,
Steve.
Hi
Few months back i've got exactly the same problems (odd LCD behavior, impossible alignment, etc...) with an HP4700. I went to the service center and they had to replace the LCD screen. They did not charge me and take it under warranty. In my case the unit did not drop and i made it clear to them. I would suggest you go back to the service center and forget about the drop in your problem description .
Cheers,
Bruno
I had the same thing happen on a HP 3700, I did not even drop it all i did was install the Quake game for it and after a few days the screen alignment went a bit out. It was usable but definately out by about 1 cm in each direction. The unit had not been dropped. I went into the allign screen utillity and ended up in the infinite loop. The only way to fix was a new screen. But unforunately it was no longer under warranty. The screen consists of 2 separate parts the lcd and the touch screen bit. In my case the lcd had no issues just the touch screen. Very annoying but there you go.
Search your soul and do what you feel comfortable with.
Good luck
Charlie
thanks for all your replies!
i've made several searches yesterday with similar problems (even if they're using different PPC models) and they all ended up sending back their units for repair. there's even one who posted in expansys with the same exact problem!
we'll be sending it back through expansys (we got the unit from them) and hopefully get it back before the end of the month. and yes, i won't tell them that it was dropped, he he :twisted: and they won't find evidence either on the outside because there are no physical damages. what a start of the new year for me <sigh>
right now i'm back using my XDA IIi.
thanks for all your support! this is my first thread/topic in this site and it's so unfortunate that it had to be sort of a negative one. looking forward to be active more here!
Hello there
This might help (I am currently wrking with 200 PDAs so have had this a few times)
THere may be a iece of dust/biscuit crumb etc, under the edge of the casing above the screen, try using a post it note or paper and go around the casing/edge of screen, this should clear the screen of anything that may be causing this problem.
THis worked for me on the majority of non-aligning screens
HTH
DB
My story was, one day when I needed to twist the screen, it was a bit stuck so I twisted a bit harder, yes it went back. Then few days later, the mis-alignment started and since then I have been keeping to do re-alignment my screen.
My screen is mis-aligned once every 2 or 3 days or even few minutes then I have to re-align by using WM5's alignment program. It sometimes takes me 2 or 3 times or even one time.
The most anoying thing is it keeps forget after aligned screen.
Now, certainty, I don't think it is a screen problem because after running alignment app, it correctly pointed into the right spot but then it forgot where the right position was.
I have done the upgraded ROM ( even tried Ivan AKU 3.2 ROM ) but problem still persisted.
I just tried clean up the edge of screen, finger cross, hope it fixes my problem.
Bad thing is, I bought my device from UK and I am living in Australia so therefore, my warranty is definately invalid. I don't want to spend 200 AUD for the new screen ( unless I am 100% sure that LCD is faulty ).
Anyone has any idea or even a better suggestion because I don't see many people having this problem.
I suspects that maybe the flex cable got ripped but not totally ripped. Don't know , please help me out on this one
Best regards
Anyone has any idea about my problem ??
One question :
I know that the flex cable has 2 connectors ( one is for LCD display and another is for LCD function ). Now does LCD function relate to the touch screen function ? and if one tiny wire of the function cable got cracked, but not totally cracked, will it affect the touch screen function ?
Other thing, does WM5 store any setting relating to screen alignment setting ? If yes, where is it ?
Thanks
Hi, from another forum, it only help to bypass the alignement loop:
"here you go theses are simple steps to bypass the touchscreen alignment.
Install you activesyn blah blah blah when it finds it go on my computer and go into your PDA device
go to windows startup and delete the Welcome file
after that give your PPC a soft reset and BAM u by passed the screen now get a free desktop program liek pocket controller from the internet it will automatically install on your pda and BAM you can control your pda add music and whatever
but now if you want to click stuff on the road get pen irazu just search on google and send it to your PDA then go to file explorer and double click it and you got a cute little mouse program that you can use like a stylus"
also try this little soft:
http://www.codefactory.es/downloads/mobile_speak_pocket/release/MSP_RemoteAlignment.zip
Hope it helps.
MaX
Hi godtakeit!
I've had the same problem a few weeks ago (and still having it from time to time) and for me a slight (very careful) bending of the screen makes it work again. It seems to me that there are connector behind or near the display which has some loose contacts.
Did you notice any other problems which came in conjuction with the alignment problem (e.g. speaker not working)?
.ox
Hi oxident
No, I don't have problem with speaker ( it was not working before but it is because of the jack plug problem - it solved ). Yeah, I did notice if I bend the screen carefully, the problem is gone. The funny thing is when I aligned the screen, it worked but if I closed it off and left it over night, it started again when I opened the lid.
You may right about the connector between LCD screen and mainboard. Well, I have no choice but openning the device and check it up.
Also, I read the thread somewhere in this forum and somebody advised this problem maybe relates to magnet around device. My brother aslo advised me that LCD charged and reserved negative electrons. Wierd but I am experiment it at the moment ( taking off battery and leave the device for a few days so that it can release the negative electrons ).
Hope it fixes
please help
i have an imate jas jam that i i got from my father he used it for like 3 years and it is pretty banged up so i cant use the warranty and repairs cost a lot, any who i got it yesterday and it was very slow so i reset the settings and now im stuck on the align screen it keeps going on for ever and ever if any one knows any thing plzzzz help
Welcome aboard
You have one of the best HTC devices ever made!
Have a look here to locate the solution to your prob:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549207
Post number 2
Good luck,
I will post my problem with the Himalaya XDA II, wishing from the experts and colleagues to help me find a solution , since I live in a very bad country that provides ZERO maintenance, so I wish I find the cure in this awesome forum.
My story started when 2 drops of Tea, was spit on the LCD of the XDA II, after which I tried to clean it, but in a very strange way the liquid went beneath the LCD and its protecting plastic screen, The factory one not an additional one like by Covertec or else.
I managed to open it and also using a cutter I opened the plastic seal and cleaned, after I put everything together and after using blower to dry and remains of the liquid, and when I fixed it back, I had the common (Align Screen), but when I configure the screen using the 5 points for setting up the display, it Just LOOPS and does not want to exit from this screen, I made this alignment like 30 times now but went all in vain, and I cant access the system, its locked to this screen, and when I touch in any place over the screen, the cursor move from one corner to another.
I tried to install (Pocket Controller 4.12 - Enterprise) so that I use its Built-In Task Manager, to close the (Align Screen) Task but also in vain.
When finally went to the dealer he told me I have to change the LCD with a new one which costs 300 $, which equals to the price of a used XDA II. Is this fair?
This is my story wishing really from all of my heart that somebody helps me. And I'll never forget this favor ever.
Thanx
Willy[/b]
Try this:
1. Wait till the screen misaligns
2. Switch off device
3. Use a clean cloth and apply pressure EVENLY on the WHOLE of the screen (as if 'ironing' the screen)
4. Power on the device
My XDA Trion (HT626) re-aligns itself WITHOUT having to go through the screen alignment 'routine'.
How about yours?
hellogts said:
Try this:
1. Wait till the screen misaligns
2. Switch off device
3. Use a clean cloth and apply pressure EVENLY on the WHOLE of the screen (as if 'ironing' the screen)
4. Power on the device
My XDA Trion (HT626) re-aligns itself WITHOUT having to go through the screen alignment 'routine'.
How about yours?
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And how long you have to re-do again ? Or only one time for yours then no more misalignment?
hellogts said:
Try this:
1. Wait till the screen misaligns
2. Switch off device
3. Use a clean cloth and apply pressure EVENLY on the WHOLE of the screen (as if 'ironing' the screen)
4. Power on the device
My XDA Trion (HT626) re-aligns itself WITHOUT having to go through the screen alignment 'routine'.
How about yours?
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Click to collapse
And how long you have to re-do again ? Or only one time for yours then no more misalignment?
Re
I don't know, here are my thoughts.
I am 99% sure that screen pressure will affect alignment - when I had misalignment, i used the stylus to press the screen in different areas, the contact point position will change in response to this, though i have no idea where it will change to.
So even if my method does have some effect, eventually the screen layer will 'loosen' again and you will have to 'press it back'.
The 'loosening' of the screen layer may be due to vibration, heat (from battery?), deficient screen etc.
a question a bit OT: how much time after the first start your TyTN had the mis-alignment of the screen? you found it also in the very first days of use?
whassup people
had the same problem..got the tynt yesterday..today have scrreen alignment issues..tried what u told me n works..
hopefully it will keep working
thanks
works for me too
I have had an m3100 for a month now and no screen problems until last week. getting more and more frequent now. 4 or 5 times a day at the moment.
sometimes just opening the keyboard and closing it again sorts it. sometimes just pushing the screen gently here or there sorts it. if I power off and run my finger around the perimeter of the screen that always sorts it out!
I have a screen protector fitted. is this a factor?
I think it maybe due to pressure on the casing when its in my pocket sending the screen out. I've never used the magnetic case and I've not tried the screw adjustment thing yet.
my problem is, is that i've flashed the rom so I not going to be able to send this back easily for exchange even though I have orange care.
daddyo said:
works for me too
I have had an m3100 for a month now and no screen problems until last week. getting more and more frequent now. 4 or 5 times a day at the moment.
sometimes just opening the keyboard and closing it again sorts it. sometimes just pushing the screen gently here or there sorts it. if I power off and run my finger around the perimeter of the screen that always sorts it out!
I have a screen protector fitted. is this a factor?
I think it maybe due to pressure on the casing when its in my pocket sending the screen out. I've never used the magnetic case and I've not tried the screw adjustment thing yet.
my problem is, is that i've flashed the rom so I not going to be able to send this back easily for exchange even though I have orange care.
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a most probable hardware issue, i have my lcd replaced and everything went pretty okay
I think.... HTC produces device while they're drunk... How was it possible? I'm a developer and after I finished to develop a software "I MUST" test it because if something doesn't work my boss become a T-Rex, and "I WANT" test it because in my opinion custom satisfaction is much more important then moneies.
Sorry for my poor english, I'm lerning it.
I am a disappointed XDA Trion owner.
Anyone with this problem try this out:
Open up the keyboard and flip the device over so you are looking at the back.
You will see two screws at the top of the screen on the rear. Losen them off a bit and retighten, but so that they are NOT AS TIGHT as they originall were.
See how you go.
I saw this mentioned here...apparently it can fix the problem for good. The issue is that the screws were overtightened at the factory and there is also a seal that runs out the edge of the screen. As the device gets used/warm the seal expands a bit causing pressure to be applied. If the screws are over tight then this impacts on the touchscreen causing the misalignment.
Try it...might fix it...
I have a HTC TyTN (HERM200), serial HT628xxx.
I'm familiar with the screen alignment problems that have been posted a lot, so let me first say that I have a different problem.
My screen has a very local alignment problem on just 1 spot.
If you look at the first added screenshot, I was drawing a horizontal line there. Note the strange curve it makes at a certain point.
On the second screenshot, I pinpointed the bad spot trying to make a dot there. Note it's drawing a circle around the bad spot instead.
Of course I tried things like a hard reset already, realignment of the screen, and even different ROMs.
And also the business card solution for the other SA problems.
But it didn't help.
I didn't send it to HTC yet, because it's out of warranty and I don't feel like a huge repair bill at the moment since I have a newer device in use at the moment anyway.
But still wondering, is there anything that can be done by myself, or is my screen really broken?
You have two deformities on your digitizer layer, can also be caused by a contaminant between digitizer and screen.
On the above picture the deformities are at the peak and the trough of the line shown. Sometimes, not always you will be able to see small dents at the deformities location.
When you tap between these two points the screen will touch off and on at the deformities first.
You can artificially recreate this phenomenon by using the notes program. If you sequentially tap the screen with two fingernails and then tap with the stylus on a different part of the screen you will (with a bit of practice!!) be able to create a circular shape well away from where you are touching with the stylus.
There is no practical solution other than replacing the screen/digitizer combo.
Mike
Thanks for the clear explanation.
I guess I'll go inform at my dealer about the costs of replacement then.