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Now that we're likely to get a working solution for our Bluetooth worries thanks to TOWA it seems sensible to revisit the BT-stack implementation on the XDA II. I spent some time working through the Microsoft documentation to come up with this assessment.
All previous PDA's have used the Widcomm stack, which supports a multitude of BT-profiles,specifically the Serial Port Protocol, which it emulates as a COM-port. Unfortunately, the Widcomm stack does not support the Headset service, which is required for the phone. This is why the installation of the Widcomm stack on the XDA eventually failed -just couldn't support the headset.
The Microsoft stack actualy also supports the serial port profile, but uses a different implementation. Their BT-stack is socket based and aligned very close to the IRDA-implementation we all know from our PC's. Just as the PC generally requires that famous "IRCOM"-applet, so does the Microsoft BT-stack (this is basically what TOWA is working on).
The Microsoft Bluetooth stack is actually very flexible, which gives us hope of seeing the XDA II support more and more Bluetooth functions as time goes along.
But why did MS not implement the COM port? If it takes TOWA a week to do the job with limited resources, why couldn't MS have done the same? And if the MS Stack is flexible, why do they leave out functions when they release it?
I'm sure MS could have done it, but the they didn't do it for IRDA either.
I think they are trying to push their implementation architecture upon us.
[email protected] said:
Now that we're likely to get a working solution for our Bluetooth worries thanks to TOWA it seems sensible to revisit the BT-stack implementation on the XDA II. I spent some time working through the Microsoft documentation to come up with this assessment.
All previous PDA's have used the Widcomm stack, which supports a multitude of BT-profiles,specifically the Serial Port Protocol, which it emulates as a COM-port. Unfortunately, the Widcomm stack does not support the Headset service, which is required for the phone. This is why the installation of the Widcomm stack on the XDA eventually failed -just couldn't support the headset.
The Microsoft stack actualy also supports the serial port profile, but uses a different implementation. Their BT-stack is socket based and aligned very close to the IRDA-implementation we all know from our PC's. Just as the PC generally requires that famous "IRCOM"-applet, so does the Microsoft BT-stack (this is basically what TOWA is working on).
The Microsoft Bluetooth stack is actually very flexible, which gives us hope of seeing the XDA II support more and more Bluetooth functions as time goes along.
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I would like to take this oppertunity to thank Towa for the great job he did with the TOM TOM gps bt issue. I will be getting my imate(xda2...) ppc soon, and I have the following questions, as I am quite a novus:
1. does the gps doohicky that Towa wrote enable the xda2 to work with the bt headset as a handsfree profile, since the xda2 only supports headset profile? or is it only to create a port so the tom tom can find it and work with it?.
2. If no to question 1, then I would like to share my expieriance with bt headsets, which I cannot understand untill this day and may be you can help?. I currently use a Nokia 6310 and previously was using it with the Ericsson hbh-20. Since, the Nokia phone did not suport voice activation or reject a call from the headset, I could only voice dial through the headset after I pushed a button on the 6310. So I thought, no biggie it was Nokia's fault since I successfuly voice dailed when paired to my friends t 68. Then I tried my 6310 with my other friends hbh-30 bt carkit, and wouldn't you know that the voice activation from the bt carkit's button worked like a charm (stumped. who to blame know, we always need someone to blame.) So, after that my third friend bought me the new Nokia clip-on bt headset, it works as a complete handsfree headset with my old Nokia 6310, rejecting, auto answer, voice dialing ... all from the headset. So, my question is do I have too many freinds? (just kidding), how do you expect the xda2 and the new Nokia clip on headset to communicate with each other?. In headset profile or handsfree profile?.
3. If your answer to question 2, is headset profile, then will we have to beg the "Great One" also known as "The Man" (as qouted earlier on gps bt forum of this site" Mr.TOWA himself, to write us another doohiky to make them work in handsfree profile.
p.s. In my opinion, anyone who has downloaded Towa's doohiky for gps and had a positive result, should donnate something for this hard worker.
Thank you, and sorry for being so boring.[/quote]
TOWA's great app only fixes the serial port issue, by basically establishing a permanent virtual com-port using the functionality built into the Microsoft BT-stack.
Unfortunately, inmplementing a Handsfree profile will be much more complex, so don't expect a quick fix on that. I'm sure HTC and Microsoft are working on it, but I wouldn't expect a fix this year.
Regarding your BT-observations, it seems that the implementation of the profiles on each device is different and probably none of them are really complete.
I think the Bluetooth Org will have to do something to improve its performance and compatibility testing! :evil:
Thank you for your kind reply.
Whenever I receive a call, it is automatically transferred to my SE BTH-60 headset, so I am using it handsfree mode actually. I can accept/reject the call thru the headset.
palmop said:
Whenever I receive a call, it is automatically transferred to my SE BTH-60 headset, so I am using it handsfree mode actually. I can accept/reject the call thru the headset.
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Handsfree profile lets you use the automatic feature, which automaticaly accepts and answers (after a you specify the number of rings) the call without pressing any button on the bt headset.
Also, the handsfree profile lets you use the voice dial feature by activating it from the bt headset and without touching the mobile phone. and other features...
Does, anyone have any expirence with new nokia clip-on bt headset and the xda2.
Thanks
[email protected] said:
TOWA's great app only fixes the serial port issue, by basically establishing a permanent virtual com-port using the functionality built into the Microsoft BT-stack.
Unfortunately, inmplementing a Handsfree profile will be much more complex, so don't expect a quick fix on that. I'm sure HTC and Microsoft are working on it, but I wouldn't expect a fix this year.
Regarding your BT-observations, it seems that the implementation of the profiles on each device is different and probably none of them are really complete.
I think the Bluetooth Org will have to do something to improve its performance and compatibility testing! :evil:
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Thank you again for your kind reply.
Sirs, I believe the time has come for me to beg the great one "TOWA" to write us a new doohicky, to make the xda 2 work in handsfree profile with handsfree bt headsets and others.
So, Towa, if your reading, have you ever had someone to beg you for something in writing?? :lol:
Must be nice bieng the man!!
Anyone can help on this please:
Any way to listen MP3 by bluetooth handfree using mini??
Many many many thanks
Not at the moment.
The M$ stack does not support the audio gateway profile.
In fact the consensus is that the M$ stack is ****e.
There are other stacks that can be installed, bluesoil and Toshiba IIRC, but they are buggy and I dont know if they do the audio gateway profile.
let us pray that HTC see the light and release a better BT stack!
Thanks, let see anyone can break through this problem.......
Do you mean something like this :-
Media Player Headset with Bluetooth wireless technology
http://www.itechdynamic.com/html/products.htm
Yes, but I think they don't work on O2 mini, because of the microsoft BT stack...... hope some body can make the patch for this.
download bluetooth update patch for PPC, it pass test on o2 mini. for detail please check http://www.pocketpc.com.hk/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=18189
it is CHINESE web site from Hongkong.
They said it is not support on O2 mini.........
If I installed a BT dongle on a PC... it support all... including audio gateway.. I can listen mp3s via headset...
why O2 just can't do it the same way... :? since all are based on BT technology...
samsonlo, some message from that web site said: It can support O2 MINI.
I'm not sure, Maybe?
Thanks anyway, will have a try tonight.............
If O2 mini can be supported. please send some sugeestion here, thanks!
yes please keep us updated
The Hands free profile is not meant for audio streaming and i doubt that the wave output of the Magician is connected to this profile - it also isn't for the headset profile.
You need the A2DP profile, which is not included into the MS-Stack - and this has so much nothing to do with O2. It was HTCs decision to include the MS Stack into the Magician, not O2 or any other reseller. The Broadcom update is for their stack, not MS. Someone posted that some (commercial) developers are working on the A2DP profile for the Magician, which is not available yet, from what I know.
The Eten M500 (which uses the M$ Stack) has now been patched to allow Voice command over Bluetooth. People are trying to dump the rom so we can see how it has been done.
There is a threrad running on HoFo
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=655524
Any one on here got an Eten?
andyhe said:
download bluetooth update patch for PPC, it pass test on o2 mini. for detail please check http://www.pocketpc.com.hk/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=18189
it is CHINESE web site from Hongkong.
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This update is for the Widcomm stack. Not the MS stack that the JAM uses. It will NOT work on the JAM...it would be nice, but it doesn't.
Dave
Aitch said:
Do you mean something like this :-
Media Player Headset with Bluetooth wireless technology
http://www.itechdynamic.com/html/products.htm
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Hey, that's my bluetooth headset, I-Tech Stereo Headset. It does work fine with the Magician with the headset profile. But since there is no support from MS Stack for A2DP, there is no way to listen to Media Player on it.
I do use it with my PC bluetooth dongle v1.2 (with Bluesoleil stack) with the A2DP.
Dandie said:
Someone posted that some (commercial) developers are working on the A2DP profile for the Magician, which is not available yet, from what I know.
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That would be great news! Hope to hear news from that soon.
Cheers
Can anyone help.
I have the HP Bluetooth Stereo Headset and I assume that I need to have the Widcomm/Broadcomm stack to use it.
I have used it with the Xda IIi and Xda 2S and it worked fine(with the appropriate patch)
I have since tried it unsuccessfully with both the Universal and the Wizard.
I know these devices are running Windows Mobile 5 and I guess this is the reason.
Is there any patch available to make the headset work
Thanks for any help
Hi there,
I think everyone WISHES they could give you an answer on that one...
Apparently, Windows Mobile 5 has the Microsoft BT stack instead of the excellent WIDCOMM stack... the MS stack does NOT include A2DP.
Apparently, there will be a patch for it from Microsoft by the end of the year... but who knows if that's true...
By the way, there are a LOT of topics on this... try a search next time to reduce duplicate posts... thanks !
JonBoy8841
there is a hardware difference between the HTC universal and Wizard with regards to the Bluetooth stacks they have. Apparently in the Universal it is 1.2 and doesn't support Stereo (forgot the actual mode name); whilst the Wizard is (I think)Stack 2.0 - but in any case -DOES support Bt stereo - so u should be able to enable it somehow on the K-Jam. now as to how to actually achieve that.... :roll:
Stero Headset is not functionally?
Are You sure? I've buyng Motorola HT820, AND iT WORK PERFECTLY, with phone and MP10, with and without cable, with and without Bluetooth.
Stero Headset is not functionally?
Are You sure? I've buyng Motorola HT820, AND iT WORK PERFECTLY, with phone and MP10, with and without cable, with and without Bluetooth.
hi guys, i know all of you want more bt stack rather than ms bt stack. now i found new bluetooth stock for dopod 818(o2 mini).
this is support your o2 mini support stereo bluetooth headset, but make should your bt headset supports. and there is also file transfer stock......and other thing, but stereo bluetooth function need to be improving.
attention: backup you system first.
i learn a lot in this forum, so i want to share this stock for all of you. this stock is i find from somewhere, so i can not fix any bug. anyway just enjoy....
First post and delivering such a revolution? Makes me nervous...
Chatty said:
First post and delivering such a revolution? Makes me nervous...
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HAHA, I KNOW. BUT YOU CAN TRY, PLEASE FIND ATTACHED PHOTO. THIS DRIVER COME FROM ONE BLUETOOTH HANDSET.
Could this be? Can anyone verify?
Handsfree versus headset
Hi,
I tried and first thing, everything work now as fine as before so a first good point.
Second one problem : my Bluespoon AX is only recognize as a Hands-free and you can only set "Audio redirection" for Headset.
Perhaps some registry work ?
I will continue to investigate
very nice patch indeed..
installed it on my JAM... an it runs OK...
some extinsive testing is required however... I'll let you know later
Thank you kevinyang6688
If this works, you'll be the best
Works here aswell!
it even seems to support bluetooth printing???
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just downloaded.. will give it a try.
thanks.
Re: O2 MINI NEW BLUETOOTH STOCK.
kevinyang6688, could u pls send me the program for testing only, i am using o2 mini w/ jabra bt330 headset, [email protected]
kevinyang6688 said:
NOW I FOUND NEW BLUETOOTH STOCK FOR DOPOD 818(O2 MINI). ENJOY.
THIS IS SUPPORT YOUR O2 MINI SUPPORT STEREO BLUETOOTH HEADSET
ATTENTION: BACKUP YOU SYSTEM FIRST.
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vicqoo said:
kevinyang6688, could u pls send me the program for testing only, i am using o2 mini w/ jabra bt330 headset, [email protected]
kevinyang6688 said:
NOW I FOUND NEW BLUETOOTH STOCK FOR DOPOD 818(O2 MINI). ENJOY.
THIS IS SUPPORT YOUR O2 MINI SUPPORT STEREO BLUETOOTH HEADSET
ATTENTION: BACKUP YOU SYSTEM FIRST.
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When you're logged on, you can download the file in the first post.
INstalled it but I have no clue how to make it work. Been to the BT settings and everything is there but I have no clue to as it does not detect my my Jabra BT250V.
Will this work in actually turning my Jabra into an audio headset or is it only as phone headset?
Does this help at all with the Nokia car kit echo issue?
Cheers
i'm using O2 mini. After installed... Nothing shown in the "Default headset" drop-down-list-box of the Audio tab
Anyone having similar issue?
To Leewenam
Same thing for me but my Bluespon ax is only detected as a handsfree
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eurorpeen said:
Same thing for me but my Bluespon ax is only detected as a handsfree
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I guess this audio streaming thing only work for stereo BT? can anyone confirm this?
leeweenam said:
i'm using O2 mini. After installed... Nothing shown in the "Default headset" drop-down-list-box of the Audio tab
Anyone having similar issue?
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maybe delete the device and bond it again???
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kevinyang6688 said:
NOW I FOUND NEW BLUETOOTH STOCK FOR DOPOD 818(O2 MINI). ENJOY.
THIS IS SUPPORT YOUR O2 MINI SUPPORT STEREO BLUETOOTH HEADSET
ATTENTION: BACKUP YOU SYSTEM FIRST.
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Man, you seriously kick a$$! This cab adds A2DP, FTP (successfully sent a series of 3 files to my Magician :shock: :wink: ), Audio Gateway (was able to use my laptop as a BT handsfree ), BT Printing Profile... AWESOME!!! Takes MS BT stack to a whole new level :shock:
But you could already send files with activesync over bluetooth without this stack (do i suppose ftp service is the same thing). Btw can you acces the files located on your computer from your mini now??? (if yes plz tell me how)
As far as I am concerned, it works but doesn t change anything with my bluetooth headset and voice command, i always don t hear any voice command sound in my bt headset, but then I hear the phone conversation directly in the headset...so nothing has changed.
Would have loved so much to hear and launch voice commands directly from the headset's mic.
But thx anyway! that s a really good thing for us anyway =)
It does work with I-tech S35 Stereo BT Headset
As per subject really...
Just tested this on my 1.12.00 T-Mobile Rom and indeed all audio is indeed being re-directed to my headset. Only 'drawback' is that I can't get it to work with PocketMind Pocket Music- the sound it just muted.
But it works perfectly well with Windows Media Player. Slight hitch with WMP is that I am unable to change the volume on the software or indeed the JAM system volume directly- a minor fault for me since I have a volume control my headset Also the music seems to cut out for a second or so every 7-8 seconds.
Music pauses and restarts when an incoming phone call is received.
A massive thanks goes out kevinyang6688. Cheers mate, I have been wanting this for ages! Thanks again!
hello everyone!
i just got my first bt headset, its an anycom aris21.
the pairing with my blueangel worked like a charm, but after a day of useage, i noticed several issues i kinda dislike....
- i can not start a call (start phone) with my headset, when blueangel is not in PHONE menu! is this normal? can this be changed?
- how can i disable the phone's speaker (and mic), when using the headset? its pretty anoying to know, that the caller could be heard by bystanders...
- people seem to have problems hearing me! can i change the microfone volume of the bluetooth headset on the ba?
- how can i find out what BT stack i have?
- i have now helmi_c's WM06 installed, no changes to bluetooth made.
what recommended changes/updates/patches/... should i try for better performance?!
what to install for best results?!? is that BroadcomBT1.7 still the way to go? what cabs do I need?!
i know, that some issues have already been adressed, but things are changing so fast here, that i have problems being up to date about all issues! so forgive my ignorance and please help me!
i would be very thankful!!!
regards,
krz
Yeh, the Blue Angel is a bit strange with some bluetooth devices.
I have the following issues with WM6 on my BA, which did not exist with 2003SE:
1) When Bluetooth is active, the device turns on by itself every minute or so. I understand that this is a hacked "feature" to prevent the bluetooth from turning itself off. This is probably the most annoying thing about WM5/WM6. Is there any fix I am not aware of?
2) When I start from scratch and pair my carkit (Parrot), everything works OK, except that BA's sound putput, i.e. for Microsoft Voice Command, is coming from the BA instead of the car kit. This is too low a volume, to be clearly understandable in a car. With my Universal (also on WM6) this does not happen.
3) After pairing my Asus GPS, nothing works. If I delete all paired devices and just pair my Asus without being in range of the car kit, it will work. If both devices are turned on (car kit and GPS Receiver), none works properly.
I don't use my BA on a regular basis anymore, because I have my Universal, which works flawless. However, I see no paint in upgrading to WM5/WM6 if one ends up with LESS functionality than the original 2003SE.
The only feature I will be missing is the fact that no RAM memory is used, which means one does not loose everything when the battery drains.
Are there any tips to solve these three problems?
The WLAN "bug" is not really a problem: even with 2003SE I had to occasionaly start and restart the WLAN for it to work properly.
Cheers,
vma
@vma:
1. Well, not at the moment; maybe if someone who can play with the dll's can fix this.
2. I use a Logitech hands-free, and i have no problems.
3. No problem here using a NoBrand BT GPS receiver and the hands-free in the same time.
Overall, my BA work much better on WM6; its just my experience.
problems i still have:
- i can not start a call (start phone) with my headset, when blueangel is not in PHONE menu! is this normal? can this be changed?
- how can i disable the phone's speaker (and mic), when using the headset? its pretty anoying to know, that the caller could be heard by bystanders...
- how can i find out what BT stack i have?
- i installed that Boradcom stack 1.7 without having any succes in getting my headset to work. with or without patch1 and htcheadset! any ideas?!?
- what excactly is that HTC HEADSET ADDON ?
please answer soon, any help is very much appreciated!!!!
thx in advance,
krz
1. Same here; i think is my hands free set limitation.
2. I get the same using the Broadcomm stack; use the MS stack.
3. Depends; if you use Broadcomm/Widcomm, you have an "about" box; if you use MS, i don't know.
4. i get it working, but with audio in hands free AND speakers; annoying.
5. don't know, try Google.
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@vma:
1. Well, not at the moment; maybe if someone who can play with the dll's can fix this.
2. I use a Logitech hands-free, and i have no problems.
3. No problem here using a NoBrand BT GPS receiver and the hands-free in the same time.
Overall, my BA work much better on WM6; its just my experience.
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What Bluetooth Stack you use ?
First, I use the existing MS Stack on Helmi WM6. BT GPS and Handsfree couldn't run at the same time.
Second, I use Broadcomm Stack 1.71. BT GPS and BT Stereo could run at the same time, but Hands-free function didn't run at all.
Give me a light please.
your bluetooth headset
A few of your problems could be from the bluetooth headset you are using now-- such as when people can not hear you clearly. I currently have a sound id sm100 bluetooth headset and it works flawlessly....although i still can not activate voice calling from it(it activates it on my BA so i have to talk into my BA and not my headset). It could just be your headset.
shazzy84 said:
A few of your problems could be from the bluetooth headset you are using now-- such as when people can not hear you clearly. I currently have a sound id sm100 bluetooth headset and it works flawlessly....although i still can not activate voice calling from it(it activates it on my BA so i have to talk into my BA and not my headset). It could just be your headset.
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Yeah, Bluetooth in BA really sux... you have to choose your bt handsfree wisely, make sure you try it on BA properly before buying it... currently I am using i clip II mini, and it is giving me the same behaviour as shazzy84's
KRZTF said:
hello everyone!
i just got my first bt headset, its an anycom aris21.
the pairing with my blueangel worked like a charm, but after a day of useage, i noticed several issues i kinda dislike....
- i can not start a call (start phone) with my headset, when blueangel is not in PHONE menu! is this normal? can this be changed?
- how can i disable the phone's speaker (and mic), when using the headset? its pretty anoying to know, that the caller could be heard by bystanders...
- people seem to have problems hearing me! can i change the microfone volume of the bluetooth headset on the ba?
- how can i find out what BT stack i have?
- i have now helmi_c's WM06 installed, no changes to bluetooth made.
what recommended changes/updates/patches/... should i try for better performance?!
what to install for best results?!? is that BroadcomBT1.7 still the way to go? what cabs do I need?!
i know, that some issues have already been adressed, but things are changing so fast here, that i have problems being up to date about all issues! so forgive my ignorance and please help me!
i would be very thankful!!!
regards,
krz
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Well I found a way to solve the BTA2DP problem. It supports stereo & is just fantastic. you can find these by the following link http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=freeware & this software works too http://www.trianglepowers.com/PPC/ViewApp.aspx?ID=52 (have to register to download). I prefer Teksoft freeware as I am using it. Sometimes it takes a while after a few toggle u get it right
Lost in China
I have a problem with a Chinese Dopod HS-01 BT Stereo Headset!!!
Phone works, but the Stereo Headset starts for a second or two and then it is gone!
Please, help!
Admire people who can bring an answer!
I myself only good in learning physical languanges. So need MP3 HeadSet!
Also using SuperMemo CE the most beautiful tool for language learnig!
Is there any other solution then to change the registry and the things?
Using:
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