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I am having problems with the internal battery in my wizard. Everytime I switch battery my clock and calender resets. I have the service manual and see where the back-up battery is. I was just wondering what kind of battery it is and if I can just replace it?
kiru said:
I am having problems with the internal battery in my wizard. Everytime I switch battery my clock and calender resets. I have the service manual and see where the back-up battery is. I was just wondering what kind of battery it is and if I can just replace it?
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The Wizard does not have a backup battery like other PDA's. It has a persistant memory model like a PC. I have never had to remove the battery so I guess the clock would reset.
Whether the Wizard has a battery or not there is definitely a design flaw. It always used to remember the time and date settings when removing the main battery buy after about 6 months it no longer does. this has happen on both our Wizards and many others. It's very annoying when you change sims and then have to reset the time and date.
So far nobody has been able to explain why this is happening. There are thoughts that it may be the new roms which have changed something in the power management.
Kiru, you say you have the service manual and have found / identified the backup battery? That would very interesting if there is one.
I remove my battery to move my sim to other phones quite regularly, and my clock/date settings always remain intact on my mini-s. If I look at battery stats on my SPB pocket plus, it shows 2 batterys. Main batt and backup batt. I always assumed the device had a backup battery to store date/time settings.....
MACkjam said:
The Wizard does not have a backup battery like other PDA's. It has a persistant memory model like a PC. I have never had to remove the battery so I guess the clock would reset.
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The wizard does have a back up battery. If you look in the service manual it shows where it is. My wizard used to hold the time and date when changing battery....just lately is hasn't been doing it......just want to know what kind of battery it has so I can see if I can change it myself...
here is the manul for anyone that wants it....I remember it was posted here b4....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I1TA10AE
Look on page 37 and you will see what I mean..
Rutter said:
I remove my battery to move my sim to other phones quite regularly, and my clock/date settings always remain intact on my mini-s. If I look at battery stats on my SPB pocket plus, it shows 2 batterys. Main batt and backup batt. I always assumed the device had a backup battery to store date/time settings.....
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He's talking about the small backup battery inside the device. If your sure Wizard has a backup battey, then yes its removable.
The type of battery, and volt is labeled on either side of the battery.
Just my $.02...
If this problem is less than a year old try warranty repair options?
Also, you can set the phone to update its time and date from the cell tower. I've never set the clock on my device it just nabs that information from the cell tower. Should happen as soon as you get a signal instantly...
The setting for it is under Phone -> Time Zones
Hope those help...
As i'm sure the backup battery is only used for the RTC (Real Time Clock) since the device is now persistent storage...
kiru said:
The wizard does have a back up battery. If you look in the service manual it shows where it is. My wizard used to hold the time and date when changing battery....just lately is hasn't been doing it......just want to know what kind of battery it has so I can see if I can change it myself...
here is the manul for anyone that wants it....I remember it was posted here b4....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I1TA10AE
Look on page 37 and you will see what I mean..
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I clicked on this link and it showed me a file name Wizard_Service_Manual.pdf, but no way to download it!
To download from that site, you have to type in the security key shown on that page. Then a time will begin and after 60 seconds, you'll be allowed to download the file by right clicking and selecting 'save as...'
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To download from that site, you have to type in the security key shown on that page. Then a time will begin and after 60 seconds, you'll be allowed to download the file by right clicking and selecting 'save as...'
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Just follow what FESCSteve said...and it should work....if not....then send me a pm and I can email it out to you
When i switched my mainboard my back up battery was dead, but after a couple days its back to normal, so i guess just keep charging your device and the back up battery will work again.
as for replacing it, it's soldered on so you'll have to unsolder it to replace it.
At page 37 of the service manual you can see about a "Golden Cap". It is not a battery, it is an high capacity capacitor. It works like a battery but has never to be replaced because it (should be) is charged by internal circuitry from main battery.
Aikon
okay I managed to get my internal battery working once again!!!.....I think is drained due to the fact that I don't charge my batteries with my phone, but use a desktop charger. I then plugged my phone into the charger for about 24 hours, and finally, the back battery is charging (as to what pocket breeze says) It still isn't 100% charged, but it seems to be holding the time and date again!!!... just fyi I have 3 batteries for my wizard and never charge them using the phone....so that could have been my problem.
same problem here
kiru said:
okay I managed to get my internal battery working once again!!!.....I think is drained due to the fact that I don't charge my batteries with my phone, but use a desktop charger. I then plugged my phone into the charger for about 24 hours, and finally, the back battery is charging (as to what pocket breeze says) It still isn't 100% charged, but it seems to be holding the time and date again!!!... just fyi I have 3 batteries for my wizard and never charge them using the phone....so that could have been my problem.
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Last week my battery was totally empty so I had to charge it using my 220V charger.. At that time I also found out that my internal battery is empty when I exchange SIM cards. Last Sunday I charged my SPV M3000 for like15-20 hours but I still have the same problem...
What more can I do to make it work again?
I have same problem with my O2 Mini S. I charged it with the wall charger for around 18 hours although it took just 2 hours to get the the main battery fully charged. The date/time still reset when I plugged it out and removed the main battery.
Anybody kindly help please. Thanks so much in advance.
too bad my problem came back again....and I don't know why.....when I left my phone charging almost all day, my battery meter says my backup battery is 75% full.....then when i changed my battery.....all my clocks reset again...it's gets really annyoing especially if you change batteries alot. But does this only happen when people are using spare batteries?..and always swapping back and fourth?, I rarely use the phone to charge my battery as i have a desktop charger.
kiru said:
too bad my problem came back again....and I don't know why.....when I left my phone charging almost all day, my battery meter says my backup battery is 75% full.....then when i changed my battery.....all my clocks reset again...it's gets really annyoing especially if you change batteries alot. But does this only happen when people are using spare batteries?..and always swapping back and fourth?, I rarely use the phone to charge my battery as i have a desktop charger.
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It seems that there really is a backup battery (capacitor) that can be damaged. I have read the Wizard service manual and this little component has to be replaced if this problem still occurs :-(....
both mine and my wife's wizards are only charged by the mains charger and they both loose the time and date settings when changing sims. This problem started about 6 months after having the phones so I think some component seems to fail after a while as there are many reports of this happening.
All I can say is that it's very annoying as I travel frequently and change sims often.
As for getting the time from the cell tower, this doesn't work for me for some reason.
sunseaker said:
both mine and my wife's wizards are only charged by the mains charger and they both loose the time and date settings when changing sims. This problem started about 6 months after having the phones so I think some component seems to fail after a while as there are many reports of this happening.
All I can say is that it's very annoying as I travel frequently and change sims often.
As for getting the time from the cell tower, this doesn't work for me for some reason.
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Unfortunatly I have the same problem. When changing the sim and thus removing the battery I lose the time and date setting. I charge my phone by the mains charger or sometimes by an USB port.
Perhaps it has to do with the new ROM I use? I recently upgraded to the molski rom. Perfect ROM by the way.
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Perhaps it has to do with the new ROM I use? I recently upgraded to the molski rom. Perfect ROM by the way.
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I don't think it's the ROMs. I still use the original WWE I-Mate rom (2.16, the one and only update they did so far). It's possible that the ROM introduced the problem but then everyone using the ROM would have the problem which is not the case I believe.
I have recently purchased a Mugen 3000 mA battery. I am thrilled with the extended battery life after fully charging and discharging it three times as recommended by the manufacturer. What I find annoying is that WM6 no longer gives accurate information regarding remaining battery strength. If I run the battery down to 2%, remove the battery and restart WM6 says 37%. At 2% I can repeat and WM6 still says 37%. After running down to 2% a third time and repeating WM6 says around 10%. After that it varies a bit but you get the picture.
What I would like to know is if one of you geniuses out there has discovered a registry edit, hack or 3rd party software that will provide accurate battery info so I don't have to be distracted by having my battery say 2% for hours on end or repeatedly remove and restart.
BTW, BatteryStatus Ver. 1.04.200 beta2 build 0173 reports the same incorrect info and so does SPB Mobile Shell 1.5 Home Tab.
Thanks in advance for your informed guidance. OK, that is laying it on a bit thick but I always highly recommend this site to anyone I know interested in really learning how to take full advantage of that little computer in their pocket.
Take a search on XDA for Ariel monitor maybe it solves your problem.
Thanks for the suggestion. It is a nice little program but it suffers from the same problem. I suspect I need to find a way to change the mA capacity WM6 bases it's battery calculations. I don't know if that can be done with a registry edit or if there is a third party battery monitor that has an option to change the battery capacity for calculation of percentage remaining or better yet auto detects the actual battery capacity. Ideally it would be able to both accurately read remaining percentage and make reasonably accurate time remaining estimates based on current and historical battery drain data.
It is like driving a car with a broken gas gage. Sure, you can use the odometer to estimate how much gas you have left but you are always worried your estimate is off and you will be left stranded without a phone ... oops crossed metaphors.
How do the rest of the users with extended batteries handle this irritating situation?
Bump. I can't believe i'm the only one with this problem.
I know this problem also i will wait with buying a high capacy battery until i find such a hack
The Kaiser uses a smartbattery. The battery capacity is based on the information that a small processor inside the battery tells the phone's main processor. There are several things that could be the problem:
1. The small processor in the 3rd party battery is programmed with the old specs for the standard battery. The is nothing you could do about this.
2. The small processor needs to be calibrated. You would do this as follows; set your phone to never turn off no matter how low the battery got. Now, run the phone down until the thing dies from lack of power. Then charge it all the way up. This should fix that issue. I don't recomend doing it many times, because it is not good for Lion batteries to be fully discharged too often.
This is a very valid issue which I have faced many times when using a 3rd party extended battery with other phones.
Not sure how to solve it though, although I have the 3000mah on order myself.
I think the battery reading is given by the battery itself, and most of these 3rd party manufacturers don't really care to put a smart processor in the battery (to reduce costs/make it smaller/etc).
I have the exact same issue and although it is a nuisance, I have found a workaround to keep using the phone. Simply physically removing the battery and replacing it will increase your remaining battery power substantially. I normally wait till the first low battery reminder to do this. Also, how do I set the phone to never turn off no matter how low the battery gets? This would also be fine with me.
utbiglall said:
I have the exact same issue and although it is a nuisance, I have found a workaround to keep using the phone. Simply physically removing the battery and replacing it will increase your remaining battery power substantially. I normally wait till the first low battery reminder to do this. Also, how do I set the phone to never turn off no matter how low the battery gets? This would also be fine with me.
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I didn't run into this issue until I reflashed my ROM to one with W6.1. Then, rather than get 12-13 hrs with my 3amp battery, I'd get 6. I used my original battery, but when I put the 3amp back in, I still had 47% left.
It's the ROM, and until there's a fix, it would be a pain to pull and replace the battery just to work around. I've done this several times recently when I'm on battery power, but I'd rather not.
Anybody heard of any other fixes, outside monitor, or do we wait until we get a Windows Mobile 6.1 fix?
Still no luck?
Hello,
Has anyone been able to find a solution for this. I am ordering the extended battery today. I will try to fully discharge it and then recharge it as was suggested and report back.
I emailed Mugen. We went back and forth with them trying to troubleshoot whether it's the battery or OS. They were clueless, but did offer an RMA to replace the battery. I pay the postage. Not sure if I'll send it back if it's the OS. I pull and replace the battery right now. It's a real pain, and I hate opening the case so much, but it's the only way I can get an accurate read.
PhoenixAG said:
This is a very valid issue which I have faced many times when using a 3rd party extended battery with other phones.
Not sure how to solve it though, although I have the 3000mah on order myself.
I think the battery reading is given by the battery itself, and most of these 3rd party manufacturers don't really care to put a smart processor in the battery (to reduce costs/make it smaller/etc).
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The processor is required for these types of lithium ion batteries because it regulates the charging of the battery. If it didn't the battery would not charge properly, or maybe not even charge at all.
There is no solution for now, people from other forums tries to patch battdrvr.dll.
But two things may help a little:
1.You may completely disable battery monitoring
HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\Battery rename or remove string battdrvr.dll
But you lost monitoring completely.
2. change HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\Battery\Order change value from 15 (in my case) to 0. - After this battery lasts longer until power off.
There is not complete hardware or software solution for this problem. We need to wait.
Low Battery warning:
By default, a PPC will sound a warning sound when the battery is running low (10%, fixed value), but there's no way to disable or change the notification. To enable this, so that it is visible in the "Sounds & Notifications" control panel, set:
HKCU\ControlPanel\Notifications\{A877D663-239C-47a7-9304-0D347F580408}\Default = "Low battery warning" (REGSZ string, no quotes)
Anybody have any updates on this? I have noticed this more on WM6.1, but it was still an issue on WM6. I just find this so annoying!
Is there any radio that can fix this? I noiced that this battery reading issue only occurs when the Phone Signal is on. When off, it never happens to me. Or it seems. So it has something to do with the radio.
bump, anyone got a solution?
this is very interesting, i bought the seidio 3200 battery i am having the same problems. i just tired the
change HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\Battery\Order change value from 15 (in my case) to 0
i am going to see how that works out throughout the day
Tried It
I am having same issue, reset the registry key to "0" and ran for a full day, no change, still incorrect reading. I have a 2700 Mah battery and the charge indicater is completely wrong on it. I have cycled the battery as per reccoemndations, but still get wrong power remaining readings. Can remove the battery and resets itselft to a more correct reading.
I am out of ideas, guess we need someone from HTC to chime in with a hardware fix.
MWS
ms0529 said:
I am having same issue, reset the registry key to "0" and ran for a full day, no change, still incorrect reading. I have a 2700 Mah battery and the charge indicater is completely wrong on it. I have cycled the battery as per reccoemndations, but still get wrong power remaining readings. Can remove the battery and resets itselft to a more correct reading.
I am out of ideas, guess we need someone from HTC to chime in with a hardware fix.
MWS
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i have tried it too and it still does the same thing. i would still need to pull the battery and restart the device for the batt meter to get a more accurate reading. i could do it about 3 times before the battery dies completely.
is there this problem with all extended batteries or just with the larger ones?
the reason I ask is that I've got a $17 credit at Amazon and was thinking of grabbing a 1600mah battery, it's only like $22 with ship so I'll only pay a few bucks for it really...
I wanted to get the larger one but it's fat and won't fit standard carrying case, but the 1600 is slim and will fit in place a regular battery
Hello i got an unidentified issue with my Touch after reassembling it.
I bought a White Cover for my Touch and everything worked fine on disassemble and reassemble it. But now i got this crazy issue with my batterylife. It is not normal, the life is so shorten up to some hours without doing anything.
When the mobile phone is just idling the battery life is after 2 hours from 100% to 60% down and after 6 hours my battery is empty. I don't understand why this happen.
Could i do anything wrong on the assemble? The other thing is, that my camera stops also working after this reassemble. I can start the program but nothing happen. Tried many reboots and also formating system and installing it again.
Camera is still not working and something eats my battery
Does anyone have ideas? Thanks in advance.
Greets
tom
When you try to start the program, does anything happen? Does it launch the program and display a black screen as if the lens was blocked, or the camera chip is not plugged into the main board? It may have become disconnected during the case swap.
As to the battery, it could be linked, it may not - I don't know I wonder if something could be shorting internally afterwards, but I wouldn't be too sure!
How old is the battery as well - it may well just be coincidence that it has come when you changed the case (although I doubt it!)
When i try to launch the program nothing happens. It doesn't show anything just idle, like i would have never clicked to open it.
I will check today again the camera at the mainboard, when i will arrive at home after work. Maybe it is this problem, that camera tries to connect and can't and eats my batterylife.
The battery is about 2 1/2 years old but worked fine before i changed the cover my phone was many days on before it gone empty. It's just curious
Now i need always the charger for my phone every some hours
Damn, i tried reassembling it again but it didn't solve my issue. My Battery is still shorten empty and camera is also not working after reseating it.
Hey stu any other ideas? I have to recharge my phone 4-6 times a day, this sucks really.
Do you think it could be caused by the cover? That maybe a piece of metal is sucking my battery out?
Recharging of my battery is also low now, it need soooo long. Please need help.
I really am still tempted to say the battery is dead.
it could be worth installing HomeScreen++ (UI) so you can see how much charge is being drained, and also how much goes in when charging.
it may be possible, on a long shot, that the battery is not passing enough power to boot the camera - who knows.
Is your battery slightly buldging as well? This is something I have noticed at my work that happens when batteries are coming to end of life - they also tend to be rather erratic and do not maintain a charge or take a charge (these are 4400mah batteries that cost £100 as well :/)
Have you read the thread in rom development as well about battery conditioning? That may help, anything is possible, right?
I took my devices apart yesterday to see if I could find something that may be shorting - but I was unsuccessful
So okey i have downloaded this HomeScreen UI and my Battery is draining 326mA/1305mW and Device is 36°C or 97°F hot. Is this okey? How much should it be?
At charging my Battery it shows +265mA/1008mW.
Battery is not bulging its ok like always.
Maybe i should buy new better battery on ebay?
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tom
Sweet jesus, my batery drain is 79mA/331mW
Something is causing some massive battery drain - What apps are you running/installed?
Stu i have normal installed programs of my ROM Onyx Ultimate 4.1.6. But it can't be any program installed, i did a hardreset and it was before the reset too like that.
It happens after i changed my Cover to White with everything except the digitizer, Speaker and LCD display them were okey.
Could this issue be caused of my Speaker? On putting it out from old Cover i broke it a little bit with a screw driver i push it to get it out and now the sound is weird the bass is warped. I ordered a new one, it still works but ****ty.
But who knows, if its not this Speaker drain so much, but why it should I am so helpless
Be interesting to see what happens with the replacement to be honest - I am really intrigued!
Not a lot more I can suggest for now - I'd still try a new battery after the speaker if there is no improvment.
How do the connections look on the speaker? Are they all clear and not touching anything else as well?
Okey i will buy a new battery for my phone, maybe its the issue, but i don't think so.
Today it is curious my phone just drain 650mW not 13xxmW anymore. But when i charge my phone, its increase again to 980mW
I will disassemble my phone today again at home and check if some metal is not correctly in the cover.
Okey i tested my phone again without the cover. I disassemble it and powered it without cover on and my battery was draining same about 1169mW.
So it is not the cover, maybe i should really buy a new battery.
Ok it did not help with the new battery. Still the same issue like before.
I bought a new mobile phone HTC desire and I am so happy about that. There is no compare with the old touch
Hmm, still trying to figure out what would be wrong if it was not related to the battery - possibly what controls it - but then that is a hardware fault.
I'll do some more thinking and see what I can come up with.
The desire is an awesome phone - one of the ones I am looking at getting soon. (Currently have a Hero as my main device and my Elfs as my spare/mess around phones)
yea desire is really awesome, i like to browsing through the market place
i think the elf has problems with the camera and this the issue for sucking battery out.
because it doesn't work anymore. when i press on the camera button, nothing happes.
no sandclock is showing up. just idle like never clicked on the button.
So recently my phone (unrooted unmodded N910C) battery is being extremely weird. When I try to charge my phone, it sometimes doesn't go beyond around 70-90% but if I take out the battery and put it back in, it shows 100%. It sometimes also shuts off on its own at around 40% and when I plug in a charger, it shows sometimes 0% and sometimes 40% (but if I turn it on, it still says 0%). I've tried a lot of things, including discharging completely and recharging to 100% (powered off), factory reset, clearing cache, and quick starting battery and nothing seems to work. Does anyone have similar problems and has anyone found a solution to this?
The problem is the battery ... the catode pin inside battery is not working properly. The motherboard of the phone it just reading the voltage and temperature of the battery. Your percentage shown on status bar is based on what current intensity is received from battery. So just replace the battery... esxuse my poor english
scamex said:
The problem is the battery ... the catode pin inside battery is not working properly. The motherboard of the phone it just reading the voltage and temperature of the battery. Your percentage shown on status bar is based on what current intensity is received from battery. So just replace the battery... esxuse my poor english
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Are you sure it's the battery? I took it out and everything looks normal, including the pins. Also, battery apps said that my battery health was good or should I not trust them at all? I just don't want to buy an extra battery if the problem is not with the battery.
I meant the catode pin inside battery not outside. It's your call if you buy a battery or not. I just writed here how the proces work because i have fixed lot of motherboard i knowing about this i have explained to you. Cheers
i have the same problem too and i tested every things and now i am really tire , i dont think thats problem was the battery , can anybody help me plz?
Had similar problem yes new battery at the samsung store the assistant said many note 4 batteries selling I got the last one. Maybe we got a bad batch or its deliberate. Maybe we could do a survey how many people have had to buy a new battery
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I also posted a similar problem. In my case the problem is more alarming, because it's happening in two different batteries, one of them is rather new and fresh. It seems that it started out of the blue, I did not make any major change in the phone.
I am still investigating the issue, I'll be back with more observations.
Just an update on my situation: I bought a new battery and now the battery readings seem to be fine.
I had the same problem as you OP. The problem was definitely the battery for me at least. Bought a new one just the other week and now everything is working perfectly
If the affected battery is under warranty get it replaced for free. Or if the problem does not get solved after cross checking many possibilities. Just buy a new battery. Simple. Good luck.
I have replaced my battery with what should be an original battery for the Huawei P8 GRA-L09, battery nr: HB3447A9EBW.
After having assembled the phone again I experience some weird issues with the battery level dropping from 50%, 60%, 70% or even 100% in an instant. I have tried calibrating the battery by letting it die completely, recharge to 100%, let it drain completely again and recharge to 100%. I have tried different battery calibration apps and a factory reset - nothing helps.
I contacted the company I bought the battery from and got a replacement - still same issue.
Unfortunately i damaged the original battery when taking it out, so i cant use that as a reference.
All stats seems to be similar on the new batteries as on the old one, but for some reason the width of the new battery is a few millimeters smaller than the old one, meaning that it does not fill out the space completely. Has anyone else experienced the same?
Any suggestions on what my problem might be will be most appreciated!
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I have replaced my battery with what should be an original battery for the Huawei P8 GRA-L09, battery nr: HB3447A9EBW.
After having assembled the phone again I experience some weird issues with the battery level dropping from 50%, 60%, 70% or even 100% in an instant. I have tried calibrating the battery by letting it die completely, recharge to 100%, let it drain completely again and recharge to 100%. I have tried different battery calibration apps and a factory reset - nothing helps.
I contacted the company I bought the battery from and got a replacement - still same issue.
Unfortunately i damaged the original battery when taking it out, so i cant use that as a reference.
All stats seems to be similar on the new batteries as on the old one, but for some reason the width of the new battery is a few millimeters smaller than the old one, meaning that it does not fill out the space completely. Has anyone else experienced the same?
Any suggestions on what my problem might be will be most appreciated!
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Yeah, my replacement battery was also smaller than the original one. Also, I was getting sudden drops from 9 percent to 0 in a minute. After disabling Huawei Perfhub (Root access required), the drops were gone.
erayrafet said:
Yeah, my replacement battery was also smaller than the original one. Also, I was getting sudden drops from 9 percent to 0 in a minute. After disabling Huawei Perfhub (Root access required), the drops were gone.
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Thank you for your reply.
Do you have any idea what is happening, why disabling the Perfhub works/are necessary?
Want I loose other functionalities when disabling the Perfhub?
KrisDnul said:
Thank you for your reply.
Do you have any idea what is happening, why disabling the Perfhub works/are necessary?
Want I loose other functionalities when disabling the Perfhub?
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I guess, they are trying to do some kind of trottling by showing unreal percentages. Something like what Apple did with the iPhone 6.
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I guess, they are trying to do some kind of trottling by showing unreal percentages. Something like what Apple did with the iPhone 6.
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Yeah that might be, but if that is the case that trottling has gone terribly wrong on my phone.
Can you give me a hint on how you disabled the Performance Hub?
KrisDnul said:
Yeah that might be, but if that is the case that trottling has gone terribly wrong on my phone.
Can you give me a hint on how you disabled the Performance Hub?
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Rename /system/bin/perfhub file to something else and test. If it works (Doesn't work always), you will see a slightly different battery stats page.
How can I locate the perfhub file, It looks like there is no such directory in my mobile's memory?