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BUILTIN PUSH EMAIL FOR FREE???!!! almost.. please help

it turns out the builtin PocketPC IMAP email client supports the IDLE feature.
this feature allows an IMAP server to push emails out to an IMAP client. I have checked this out on a PC with the brilliant Mozilla Thunderbird mail client and a free IMAP IDLE mail service (www.fastmail.fm) - i.e. emails appear in the Thunderbird inbox without having to manually send/receive. It works flawlessly and it is free!
on a pocketpc device the theory is the same: configure the builtin messaging client to do IMAP and presto, push email!. The practice, though, is not quite as simple. Manual IMAP works fine: do a send/receive and IMAP mails arrive no problems. Push email SOMETIMES works, but I dont know or when, and delays are sometimes long (10-30mins).
Anyone out there tried this before? feedback would be very appreciated!

"Almost" Free Push E-Mail
Hi
I found the problem with all these built in synch things is that they "always, almost" work :? Now it you want something that "always" works and is "almost free" (free for the first 2 months, then $4-00 a month after) try Smartners AlwaysOnMail (www.alwaysonmail.com)
Not much help with your IMAP problem I am afraid, but at least this will give you 2 months to figure it out :lol:
Regards
Chris

@ cseilern
Hi there!
Thanks for the info! I tried it with web.de IMAP access and I have encountered no difficulties. Works like a charm.
Cheers

Hi Fishbone,
Did you get web.de to push e-mails to you? or did you have to click send/receive?

Just registered with web.de and got a free e-mail account, and yes, IMAP works, but only manually. Push email using IMAP IDLE functionality does not work.

Ups, sorry - I just found that I left the auto check function on. So no real push

How do i know if i'm using push or active sync?

Hi -
very basically, i have push enabled.. but how do i know if i'm using that, or Active Sync for emails arriving on my handset.
Help!
Thanks!

Jamassey said:
Hi -
very basically, i have push enabled.. but how do i know if i'm using that, or Active Sync for emails arriving on my handset.
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I don't know much about this but heres my attempt to help:
push email is using activesync as far as I know... So i think the answer is, youre using both
I have tried two varieties of "push mail", the sms based one (asks you to provide an email address for alerts, the exchange server sends alert-emails to this address and they are converted to sms messages by your gsm provider, and are then sent to your phone. When the phone gets the sms, it connects to gprs unless youre already connected to the internet, and it retrieves the email, (and it doesn't show you the sms message)). This one was expensive (when it worked) and very unreliable (my gsm providers "mailtosms" service is absolutely rubbish)
Then theres the AKU2 push email - the real push email (which requires an active gprs (data) connection. The exchange server uses this connection to tell your phone that you have new email, and activesync then syncs the exchange account. Very similar, but usually cheaper, since gprs traffic costs less than an sms usually. You can start/stop this one by using "comm manager" on your phone.) I just started using this one today with a free mail2web.com account
I tried sending myself a message. Within a minute it beeped in my phone.
I then tried sending myself another message. Within a minute it beeped in my phone again. Since it received two messages in about two minutes, i concluded that the mail was pushed to my phone, and not retrieved at regular intervals (the shortest interval in activesync is 5 mins).
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Jamassey said:
how do i know if i'm using that, or Active Sync for emails arriving on my handset.
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Real simple. Make sure your handset is not hooked up to your PC. Add a calendar item in Outlook on your PC. Within a couple of minutes Activesync will auto-start on your handset, and the new calendar item should arrive.
With SMS alerts, you only get auto-starts on AS when a new email arrives.
-Jeff

Tremendous help, thanks guys!

Pre-purchase question (Vista and others)

I'm looking at possibly getting the MDA Vario II in a few months on a web'n'walk tariff, but before I jump in I've decided to do some real indepth research;
- Does the handset support "push" e-mail?
- I have a GMail account which I use as my primary account; can I use this as a "push" mail account at all?
- Is it/will it be compatible with Windows Vista and Office 2007?
- Does it have Adobe Acrobat reader? Or is it compatible with the handset?
- Is it compatible with a TomTom 910 unit?

I've since attained that it does support push e-mail, but I don't know what to do with my GMail account, any suggestions are welcomed.
The TomTom unit is dubious, but I'm game for a laugh.

GMail doesnt support push. You can fwd gmail to a free exchange account. Please search for details.
PDF viewer is pre-installed. "adobe Acrobat" is not, but based on the former the latter isn't necessary.
It is compatible w/vista, not sure about Office 2007.

@Trapper
I forward GMail to a free mail2web.com Live Push Email account, works great. But keep in mind that Push email generates network traffic, so get a good data plan, or use polling settings very carefully (disable when roaming).
Friend of mine is using his Tytn with TT 910 over Bluetooth, works.
Outlook 2007 with Tytn works fine, using it since a few months, never had a problem. Just keep in mind that Outlook Mobile on your Tytn cannot read the new .docx Word format, so save in old .doc format. Office can also save directly to PDF, which you can port to your Tytn.
Think about the Tytn´s keyboard and size involved, if you dont need it, get the Trinity instead.

Lucas0511 said:
@Trapper
I forward GMail to a free mail2web.com Live Push Email account, works great. But keep in mind that Push email generates network traffic, so get a good data plan, or use polling settings very carefully (disable when roaming).
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How much does it cost? I've had a quick look and I can't work it out. Also, does this mean that I won't be able to access my account at www.google.com/mail and it will be filtered?

The free mail2web live account is...Free! You will still be able to access your email from gmail.com.
Ninja1

You can set gmail up as a pop account. It doesn't "Push" but you can have the phone automatically check the account periodically.
It is compatible with Vista. Vista even has a nice little new program that replaces ActiveSync that works pretty well. It's still in beta, and thus has a few quirks, but works pretty well.
Yes it supports push email. I have mine coming through an exchange server.
It has a PDF reader built-in, but I prefer the mobile version of Foxit pdf reader.
No idea about the TomTom though.

Perhaps some more information that can help you
As others stated, it does support push email. mail2web is a good free exchange service. Another one is 4smartphone (not free).
To get push email to work with gmail (or any other email).
1. Sign up with mail2web or any other exchange host. i-mate provides this for free for their users after you sign up at their site.
2. Set up the sync settings on the device. Things to watch out here:
* You cannot set up an external exchange service on the device when it is plugged into the PC with ActiveSync running (the menu is disabled on the device). You must disconnect it from the USB and then add a new server resource.
3. Forward your email to your mail2web (or other exchange) account. In gmail there are two ways to do this. Either you forward all mail to mail2web, or you setup a filter so that only certain mail is forwarded. I prefer the filter method because I do not want to have mailing list emails forwarded to my device. To setup my filter, I just put my gmail address in the To: box, and then had the action set to forward it to my mail2web. This way, only messages directed to me will be forwarded, not those going to the mailing list address.
Mail appears in both places: in your gmail inbox and on the phone. If you delete from the phone, it only removes it from your exchange account and not from your gmail inbox.
4. For all other accounts, you can set them up separately in the device and have it poll the servers every 5 or 10 minutes. I use this for our corporate IMAP server.
5. Your push email shows up in your Outlook E-mail folder in messaging.
I have used it with Outlook 2007 without incident. There is a new ActiveSync beta out which helps.
I'm not sure about TomTom -- but any bluetooth receiver will work. I have used Navigon5 and I can confirm it works.
Hope this helps

Another question, which is of a big concern to me is; do T-Mobile UK release ROM updates for the handset? And if so where from?
When I worked for o2, we released them through www.my-xda.com and that was a dream to install and action.
One final question, is it possible that future Hermes ROMs may use Crossbow?

Thanks for the info fyrestrtr. It sounds like if you use a service like mail2web, you can view your mail on your phone using push and still use your Gmail account but that any messages you view over your phone won't get marked as read in your Gmail account until you view them there as well. Is this correct?

trapper said:
Another question, which is of a big concern to me is; do T-Mobile UK release ROM updates for the handset? And if so where from?
When I worked for o2, we released them through www.my-xda.com and that was a dream to install and action.
One final question, is it possible that future Hermes ROMs may use Crossbow?
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Very unlikely to ever see an official upgrade from HTC, HTC has their mind set on 2007 models, not the old Hermes. Even ROM updates will address just the most pressing issues, dont expect miracles these days
Yes Mail2Web works as you assume. Just carefull with Push polling traffic, can amount to up to 15 megs per month just for polling. If you ride on a low volume data plan, you might get burned....

[SEEKING ADVICE] - "push" mail

Hi mates,
I'm sure this question have been asked before, but I just cannot find a keyword to search for the answer. Would appreciate if you guys could answer here or direct me to the appropriate thread (or at least give me a hint on the keyword please - THANKS!)
ok. I was trying out emoze to get "push mail", but to do that, I need a 24/7 PC that is connected to the internet 24/7..
and I just realised that with my WM6 838PRO (Hermes), in the email settings, I could actually set it to check emails at a predetermined time (ie. every 10mins, 30mins etc..)
now, if anybody have already compared the data usage (cost), assuming its the same email (with the same amount of text) that arrives via emoze and WM6's email function.. and also assuming in both cases, it is set to every 10mins, could you tell me which one would cost less? (data usage)
and also whether the battery consumption would be the same?
with this WM6's email scheduled checking, is this MS DirectPush? or DirectPush is something else altogether?
THANKS SO MUCH !!
Regards,
[Charles]

I know this isn't a direct answer, but I would avoid emoze at all costs. The PC connector version requires you have your PC running and Outlook open at all times (unless you have an Exchange server and can use the Outlook Web Access version) and the application is hopelessly unstable. Have a look at my posts in the emoze support forum. Requests for help end up in an endless loop and then just disappear without resolution.
WM6 has true push email through MS Direct Push, which at present (I think) only works for Hotmail/Windows Live accounts. Other POP3 accounts can be set up in Pocket Outlook with a timed mail-check setting. In practice I have found that to work only intermittently.
It depends on whether you want the service to allow you to read your emails or reply as well. I am more concerned about reading them, so my solution was to set my corporate email account to auto-forward to my Hotmail account, which is then pushed instantly to my XDA. It's not a perfect solution at all (and a bit ridiculous to have Hotmail providing corporate mail) but the third-party solutions just don't seem ready as yet. I have tried a few and all have serious stability issues. Emoze is, however, the worst of the available offerings, IMHO.

I'm surprised more people haven't already responded.
Head over to http://live.mail2web.com and get a free Live account with them. Then, forward your regular email to that email address and set up your phone to use Direct Push with your mail2web account. Easy as sleep.
It's really push email, really fast, really FREE. Obviously, if you want any kind of email service on your phone, make sure you have a data plan that will support that much data transfer.

Hi mates,
Thanks for responding.
Although I am a cheapo (looking for free services), but i also need my receipients to see my domain's email address. I think mail2web allows some form of POP3 mail checking, but every email replied is from <myname>@mail2web.com ..
I don't mind the advertisements at the bottom of the emails (like what emoze does), but i cannot keep a PC 24/7 connected permanently..
I've been "testing" (trying) emoze for some time, and yes, it is not exactly stable. it crashed a couple of times.. ran outlook permanently in my PC (not running a server OS, just plain 'o Win XP) for a couple of weeks, and it did crashed once too.
for the past day, i've been using the Pocket Outlook to do the "pushmail" at atimed interval. it's actually pulling, not pushing.. only setback is, i can't set peak/off-peak times ..
guess beggars can't be chooser ya?
btw, i set Message download limit to 1Kb, and when i receive a email that states "3/28K", so the actual email is 28Kb, but what is "3" ? can't be 3Kb, right?
THANKS!!

Unfortunately, I have not found ANY service (push or otherwise) that will give you the "proxy address" capability that you want (making the email look like it came from your domain) for free. Inexpensive, yes....but not free.
You can sign up for mail2web's "enhanced email" plan ($4.99/month), which still gives you push mail, but adds proxy address options and pop/imap access, but for $6.99/month you can get a 1&1 personal exchange plan over at 1&1.com that gives you all of that PLUS full Exchange hosting (meaning you can hook into the Exchange server with your desktop Outlook 2003/2007 to syncrhonize with your handheld).
I actually am currently using the latter option for myself. You can get push mail for free, but not with the proxy address you want (you get what you pay for unfortunately).

I've been happily using the Pocket Outlook for "pull mail". I set it to check my pop3 account every 30mins.
so far so good. no missed emails for about a week!!
Since it is my own pop3 email account, replies all come from my own email domain name. professional!!
only issue is, i can't specify peak and off-peak time (ie. peak hour = every 30 min, off-peak = every 60 min or 2hrs) ..
if that could be done, i'll be very glad!

mail2web html
With mail2web I cant specify html. Only "Plain Text" message format is possible. Any ideas.
Thank you

[Q] Native email application does not respect global auto-sync setting

So, something I haven't found a good answer after several Internet searches.
I have set up a corporate email account to Exchange ActiveSync server of my company. The sync settings under this account is set to send an email to me as soon as it arrives to my company email (push sync).
Okay so, my actual question is that, should global 'auto-sync data' setting also disable this native email client push synchronization?
Because it does not, for me. It's so annoying to receive and read work emails on my work laptop, and moment later notice and dismiss all this also on my Nexus.
Bonus question for pros: is this actually something that Exchange server can enforse / affect as, after all, it has set itself as my phone device administrator?
I'm on CM10.1 by the way.

A lot of views resulted in no information, it means this shall drown into depths of the Internet as another dead end.
Guess I'll disable Email sync manually in-app when ever I don't want it to sync.
Thanks for the views though!