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I love my TyTn no problems at all, very fast and HSPDA rocks, so does the scroll wheel one handed operation is now a reality
Chris
So far, I'm very impressed with the speed.
The one-handed aspects (like the scroll wheel) are tremendous.
HSPDA definitely rocks. Depending on where/when I try, I've seen download speeds between 600kbs and 1.2mbs. Not too shabby!
I'm having issues with "Internet passthrough" access while connected to ActiveSync, but otherwise, problem-free!
goestoeleven said:
So far, I'm very impressed with the speed.
The one-handed aspects (like the scroll wheel) are tremendous.
HSPDA definitely rocks. Depending on where/when I try, I've seen download speeds between 600kbs and 1.2mbs. Not too shabby!
I'm having issues with "Internet passthrough" access while connected to ActiveSync, but otherwise, problem-free!
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OK.
Then please tell me the following:
(a) How do you conclude you are on HSDPA ? I assume you are deducing that from the downlink speed you experience, ain't ya ? Acc. to my experience you can conclude you are on HSDPA if you get good continuous rates of well beyond 400kbit/s.
(b) Then which software (PDA or PC-based) are you using for checking the downlink data rate ?
(c) Can you disclose in which town in the US you are residing ? Afaik Cingular has only recently rolled out HSDPA. So I'd assume you live either in or slightly outside a larger town to have access to HSDPA.
Something else - regarding the scroll wheel:
I agree, this could be a great helper for a one-hand operation.
Unfortunately I think it could work more intuitively and is in some aspects even lacking functionality where functiuonality would really be needed.
E.g. when surfing in the internet.
You can invoke the IE using the scroll wheel; but how the hell can you then access your IE Bookmarks ??? :-(
As a resolution HTC could have programmed the first up-scrolling movement with the wheel after invoking the IE as a trigger for starting the Bookmarks. What do you think ?
Also when scrolling thru the Bookmarks the wheel opens every sub-folder when moving on it, thus it needs really very long for selecting any specific bookmark if you have accumulated a big collection.
Why is the wheel opening a sub-folder when only a click at a folder should open it ? A little bit of a bug. What do you think ?
My opinion is:
The wheel definitely is a step forward, but still needs development.
Regarding HSDPA: There is no way of finding out if the device is really on HSDPA (same applies to EDGE btw) other than by judging on the downlink data rate experienced (which tool ?).
As my operator offers HSDPA here (and I get tremendous downlink rates using one of these Vodafone Mobile Connect Cards) I somewhat doubt that the TyTN already offers HSDPA capability as the speeds I experience (both when using as a surf machine as well as a modem) are good UMTS speed but really not HSDPA !
Which brings me back to my mantra:
"Guys, we need a generic way for distinguishing between HSDPA/UMTS and EDGE/GPRS, like the registry tweak for the predecessor models !!!"
Oh the TyTN does indeed do HSDPA. I live in a Cingular HSDPA launch city, namely Salt Lake City.
I've teathered it to my laptop and have acheived speeds of over 860/kbit download via dslreports.com. I can also acheive nice low latency between 200-300ms.
I have seen the device drop to GSM/EDGE mode when I'm in a bad area and the speed immediately drops to 100kbit or less.
At least in Salt Lake City, wherever the phone shows a U icon, I'm getting increadible speeds.
I ran the dslreports mobile test on the device and it gets the same speeds as when teathered to the laptop. Also I ran dslreports speed test through my wireless internet connection at home which is teathered to an 8mbit cable modem account. On this connection the TyTN tops out at being able to measure around 1500/kbit through pocket IE, so the average 600-800kbit over HSDPA must be pretty accurate. Very rarely am I seeing less than 600kbit download.
-James
For Salt Lake City let me clarify. When I have a U, it's always getting HSDPA speeds, when it shows a G, I'm always getting EDGE or less speeds.
Around here I assume everywhere we have UTMS, we have HSDPA enabled, this is how cingular did it. This is the same for GSM, wherever Cingular has GPRS, they have EDGE so whenever I see a G icon, I'm getting edge speeds.... now wether it truely is EDGE, or regular GPRS I don't care, in fact who cares, it's so slow compared to HSDPA the difference is not important to me. As long as I got the U, I know I'm getting HSDPA.
I guess for networks in Europe that deployed UMTS before HSDPA this doesn't help you determine if you are getting HSDPA or not. However from what I understand, if the network has HSDPA, and your phone is capable of it, then you just automatically get it. You are not selectively being denied HSDPA or anything, it's more spectrally effecient for the operator to let you use it if it's available. It would simply decrease their cell capacity to somehow deny you use of it.
A good example is on Cingular, I have a data package, I popped my 3G sim into my phone, and the same data login settings still work, only it's a hell of a lot faster.
Can you determine if HSDPA is indeed availabel on the towers in your area?
-James
In Europe, as the operators started off with UMTS a couple of years ago, HSDPA is definitely something of an "upgrade", thus not seamlessly switched on.
Would suppose its to a large extent a question of licensing and licenses have a better payoff where the services offered thru them are actually taken up by the customers.
This is surely the reason why there is generally not (yet) HSDPA available in every cell which is offering UMTS. (Agreed there are other reasons for that as well, but this one is a very important reason.)
As I live in the capital of my country and the HSDPA coverage is very good here (also other populated places in the country are well covered with HSDPA already) I can get high data rates using one of these high-speed PCMCIA data cards for the PC (e.g. the Vodafone Mobile Connect Card).
In the same cells I get a much lower data rate when surfing with the TyTN.
This made me wonder whether the TyTN at all already supports HSDPA.
My only complaint so far is the A2DP. The headsets I have tried with it do not have great connection. In that I mean that it connects fine, but there is always these constant pauses within a song (i.e., when I'm listening to a song) that drives me nuts. My M600 from Sony Ericsson does not do this as the connection is problem free. Also, the whole phone seems to slow down when I'm using the bluetooth headset to listen to music.
That's it so far.
tkao2025 said:
My only complaint so far is the A2DP. The headsets I have tried with it do not have great connection. In that I mean that it connects fine, but there is always these constant pauses within a song (i.e., when I'm listening to a song) that drives me nuts. My M600 from Sony Ericsson does not do this as the connection is problem free. Also, the whole phone seems to slow down when I'm using the bluetooth headset to listen to music.
That's it so far.
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Check out the wiki:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Registry
There are some registry hacks that help the AD2P performance
jmacdonald801,
Thanks for the post. I'm in Salt Lake City too using heavily hacked Wizard on T-mobile's network. I love the wizard but have been missiing the Evdo speeds of Verizon but I need a world phone for my business.
Where'd you order your TyTN from and what is your cingular plan costing you?
Thanks again.
rambo6 said:
jmacdonald801,
Thanks for the post. I'm in Salt Lake City too using heavily hacked Wizard on T-mobile's network. I love the wizard but have been missiing the Evdo speeds of Verizon but I need a world phone for my business.
Where'd you order your TyTN from and what is your cingular plan costing you?
Thanks again.
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I created a big stink on ho-fo because my TyTN was defective and I tried to return it after the 7 day policy of the online reseller.
Listen, I would be neglectful if I didn't tell you you are taking a big risk by purchasing this device, regardless of where you buy it. As you may have read here, this device has a serious quality control issue. Even replacement units are not always bug free.
That being said here are some things you really need to consider when purchasing this phone.
HTC is not obligated to repair your phone outside of the countries where it is meant to be sold. The United States is not on this list. I read the warenty documentation carefully. This doesn't mean they won't repair it, it just means they can tell you to bug off at their leisure. You could end up shipping this thing back to Europe and who knows if you will ever see it again.
The phone will cost between $700 to $800. Now that's a lot given that HTC isn't obligated to fix it, and the retailers you will encounter online will only offer a 7 day "exchange" policy only. Not only that, this policy may not be made clear to you during the checkout procedure.
Now assuming the HTC didn't have the number of issues that have been reported here, I could recommend someone to buy it from, but I certainly don't want you to take the chance of ending up with a defunct device with no warranty and basically up **** creek without a paddle.
While the device is "fun" and "neat" I doubt it's really going to provide you with any more functionality than your current device.
Now onto some positive information...
I have an older $19.99 media net package. It has unlimited data. I get 1200 text messages and 200 MMS messages. This package will work fine on the TyTN regardless of what anyone at Cingular will tell you.
What they won't tell you is what the physical difference between MediaNet and the PDA/Laptop plan are.
Firstly, there is not speed difference, if you have HSDPA, then you get the speed, period.
Secondly, Media.Net uses a fake IP address, similar to what happens when you have a router at home. the PDA Plan will give you a real internet IP address that people can connect to from the internet. The operational difference is simple, Media.Net will not allow you to use Corporate VPN, I have tried. Skype, and about every other application will work fine on Media.Net.
I don't know why Cingular makes such a big Stink about this, I use Cingular video MobiTV and you can literally eat hundreds of megabytes of data using Cingular's very own Media.Net applications. It's really just a scam to get you to buy a more expensive plan, which is fine if you need VPN.
As for me, I'm in the process of returning my TyTN and I'll stick with the LG CU500. It's an excellent phone. I think I'll find a PDA with 640x480 and bluetooth and just get the internet via the phone over bluetooth. This way I only need to carry the bigger device around when I need it and the phone just works without any complication.
If you can accept all the complications and risks involved in buying an imported phone for that amount of money, then I can recommend a good person, however I didn't fair so well.
Wait for the Cingular version.
-James
James,
Thank you for the candid response. I was going to wait anyway. I get a new phone every 6 month now and I've only had the Wizard for 4. In browsing this forum, I see there's quite a few bug which need fixing. Your advice to wait a while is much appreciated.
My wizard is working so well that the only thing I miss is the 3G internet. T-Mobiles 2.5 G ain't bad for anything except streaming video.
You've made me very eager to try the device on the Cingular network.
Thanks again.
@rkorzuch
Thanks for the A2DP performance tip from the Wiki, works for me with ITech S35 - improved audio quality.
jmacdonald801 said:
For Salt Lake City let me clarify. When I have a U, it's always getting HSDPA speeds, when it shows a G, I'm always getting EDGE or less speeds.
Around here I assume everywhere we have UTMS, we have HSDPA enabled, this is how cingular did it. This is the same for GSM, wherever Cingular has GPRS, they have EDGE so whenever I see a G icon, I'm getting edge speeds.... now wether it truely is EDGE, or regular GPRS I don't care, in fact who cares, it's so slow compared to HSDPA the difference is not important to me. As long as I got the U, I know I'm getting HSDPA.
I guess for networks in Europe that deployed UMTS before HSDPA this doesn't help you determine if you are getting HSDPA or not. However from what I understand, if the network has HSDPA, and your phone is capable of it, then you just automatically get it. You are not selectively being denied HSDPA or anything, it's more spectrally effecient for the operator to let you use it if it's available. It would simply decrease their cell capacity to somehow deny you use of it.
A good example is on Cingular, I have a data package, I popped my 3G sim into my phone, and the same data login settings still work, only it's a hell of a lot faster.
Can you determine if HSDPA is indeed availabel on the towers in your area?
-James
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out of curiosity, do you ever see an "E" when connected to edge networks? or does the TyTn handle "G" as either gprs or edge and "U" for UMTS?
edit: nvm...read the FAQ. that kinda sucks...i hope someone can figure out how to enable the "E" icon for the hermes.
Hi
I live in Austria - I am on T-Mobile and I just gut 664kbit/s using http://performance.chello.at:81/
So that seems to be HSDPA
BR
Daniel
@mdajax:
No "E" for edge on the TyTN unfortunately. The known reghacks don't work. Some are playing with the bitmaps that make up this display but so far I haven't heard of any success stories.
vodafone hspda
just measured 1100Kbps, so much for my monthly data allowance at this rate it'll last approximately 300 seconds ......
Is it normal that about 15-20m from my home WLAN access point, TyTN loses the signal. Even within 4m from the WLAN station, the signal bar won't go to the highest level?
Is this normal behaviour?
I have used laptops with internal WLAN cards that can reach the access point from about 50m away without any problems and signal level at good.
same happens to me, my dell laptop works just fine but my tytn looses signal 8-10 meters from wifi spot...
Change the power save mode to best performance, to see if it helps:
start - settings - connections - wireless lan - power mode
Although it doesn't sound like the case, it is possible for the radio receiver to be overloaded if the signal is too strong as would be the case with it right next to the AP.
Bit like trying to listen to music standing next to a speaker chucking out 10kW
David.
Yup, have tried that power save/performance thingie. Wasn't much difference wether the powersave or performance was at it's highest setting.
Hi, Which is your serial number...starts with HT6??? ?
Bye.
Yeah i can agree my wifi signal is poor on my MDA Vario II, worse than my Vario, and far below my laptop,
it sucks as i live just near a star bucks and have a 1 year t-ob hotspot subscription.
not sure if its the same problem but my vario2 constantly drops its wifi connection and starts searching for others regardless of signal strength. When i called T-mobile they confirmed it ws a hardware fault and are sending me a new replacement.
Wiper said:
Is it normal that about 15-20m from my home WLAN access point, TyTN loses the signal. Even within 4m from the WLAN station, the signal bar won't go to the highest level?
Is this normal behaviour?
I have used laptops with internal WLAN cards that can reach the access point from about 50m away without any problems and signal level at good.
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poor WLAN reception was quite an issue in HTC Wizard and unfortunately problem remains with HTC Hermes/TyTN as well. big shame imho, however since i have web'n'walk deal, i don't use WLAN in my Vario II at all.
ferrari said:
Hi, Which is your serial number...starts with HT6??? ?
Bye.
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The s/n is HT628F...
I have the same problem described above. Very weak signals and constantly dropping connection / looking for other signals. I have an M3100. Is it a ROM or hardware fault?
Same problem here.
2 laptops work fine, as did my HTC Prophet (Orange M600).
I returned the M600 and went for the M3100 instead. Little did I know the M3100 would have problems picking up the wifi signal from my router where the M600 had NO problems at all.
I've been considering replacing the wirless router for one with a bigger range, or installing a signal booster of some sort.
I thought maybe I have a duff phone, but looks like it's the norm.
So far at least my replacement Vario2 isnt displaying the previous wi-fi sigal dropping problem so maybe the problem was ironed out on the newer models - my old serial number was HTC623 and the replacement is HTC624
same here - very weak wifi on serial - HT634xxx
Yes i need to also confirm that my unit is suffering from very weak wifi signal.
Right now im siting by my 838 Pro and my notebook, my notebook has "full signal (5 bars)" but my 838 pro has "very weak signal (1 bar)"
my unit has serial number of HT634xxxxxx
bought in bangkok 4 days ago.
Thanks for any inputs
Cheers
NR
Just got my phone this week, serial number is HT635, WiFi performance is crap.
I've only managed to have it work once so far for about 20 minutes, even if I stand next to my router.
Doesn't work at work either.
magicalex said:
not sure if its the same problem but my vario2 constantly drops its wifi connection and starts searching for others regardless of signal strength. When i called T-mobile they confirmed it ws a hardware fault and are sending me a new replacement.
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Are your sure they said it was a hardware failure??
I have the same problem. Sitting about 5 ft. from my wireless router the Tytn drops the connection, displays 2 wireless icons in the topbar and wants to connect the the wireless router of somebody else. I have to delete the wireless settings and re-enter them in order to get WiFi working again. The signal is also very weak and after 10 meters the connection is gone. HT633.
Pardon my ignorance, never tried wi-fi, but anyway... Couldn't be a reason that AFAIK 'g' mode is turned off by default? I thought I saw it in the one of the tweaking utinily...
What ??? The Wi-Fi in TyTn is that very bad ???
I hate to say that I just ordered that phone with T-Mobile NL ! And I ditched my Magician. The reason was that I want that Wi-Fi !!
Poor me
Lurker0 said:
Pardon my ignorance, never tried wi-fi, but anyway... Couldn't be a reason that AFAIK 'g' mode is turned off by default? I thought I saw it in the one of the tweaking utinily...
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I think your point is accurate there Lurker. I've done some hunting around to find a Registry hack to enable Wifi G which I found here.
I'm happy to report that it actually made quite a difference. Previously the signal would cut out constantly in my living room and was generally useless. After applying the Wifi G hack, I get a medium to low signal in my living room, which is stable. I've tested the bandwidth and it is exactly the same as my PC gets. The Vario II Wifi reception still isn't exactly great, but it works in the rooms I need it to, so that's good enough for me.
Here is the hack (amended for Vario II):
1) Locate the following key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\COMM\TIACXWLN1\PARMS
2) Add new DWORD Value:
name: dot11SupportedRateMaskG
D value: 8
guys, this hack is for the Wizard only and does nothing on the Hermes... the Hermes comes with 802.11g wifi enabled by default.
I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...
I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :
1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.
2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).
3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...
Here is my Device info:
Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H
The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..
blkwrxwagon04 said:
I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...
I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :
1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.
2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).
3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...
Here is my Device info:
Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H
The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..
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Yes you're the only one with these problems. I don't know how they had the nerve to sell you it. I have searched the threads and posts here and let me see.... no ... nobody's had anything like this.
I'd take it back!
Edit: OMG look what I just stumbled on! Stop the presses perhaps not MAJOR bugs but still bugs of mass destruction!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280383
Mike
blkwrxwagon04 said:
I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...
I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :
1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.
2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).
3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...
Here is my Device info:
Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H
The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..
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Here is my experience so far:
1) I have yet to see an E indicator for Edge. I live in LA and we are still waiting for our 3G deployment so edge is all we get. I do want to point out that on page 25 of the 8525 manual it does not indicate that there is an edge indicator/symbol display specifically for edge.
2)The non-3G connection here in LA has always been spotty at best so I can't really comment on that. I do however notice that I cannot connect to a lot of the streaming content at locations where it was possible with my 3125 just a week ago. Also it take longer to get the streaming playing if it does connects.
3) For me the delay for power up from power save is about 1 second.
I have never used a 8125 before so I have no way of comparing the behavior of the two.
blkwrxwagon04 said:
1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.
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I can't confirm this because I've not left my excellent 3G signal area yet but from what I understand the current rom doesn't differentiate between GPRS and EDGE.
blkwrxwagon04 said:
3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...
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Mine is a 1 second delay. No DSODs though, so it's no big deal for me.
well....i too just upgraded from the 8125...and i find the edge to be a lil suspect. sometimes i take longer than it should to pull up my email.
as far as the power button....it takes longer to turn it on when the screen is locked than the 8125.
The speed of a EDGE or GPRS connection also depends on the serving cell's current capacity. If there is too much traffic, you won't get the maximum of timeslots and so bandwidth will go down. 3G is not very different regarding this issue, but the most likely capacity bottleneck is the basestation's connection to the core network. Here in Germany a lot of 3G basestations have only 2 MBit/s connections, so two HSDPA-clients can use capacity to the full.
inquisitor said:
The speed of a EDGE or GPRS connection also depends on the serving cell's current capacity. If there is too much traffic, you won't get the maximum of timeslots and so bandwidth will go down. 3G is not very different regarding this issue, but the most likely capacity bottleneck is the basestation's connection to the core network. Here in Germany a lot of 3G basestations have only 2 MBit/s connections, so two HSDPA-clients can use capacity to the full.
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Yes indeed.
For those looking for some general background to these technologies this bit of research provides good background.
HELSINKI UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY
DEPARTMENT OF COMPUTER SCIENCE
TIK-109.551
Research Seminar on Telecommunications Business II
POSITIONING EDGE IN THE MOBILE NETWORK EVOLUTION
12.3.2003
Vesala Sami 47278H
Koivu Katja 44217E
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cach...l's+current+capacity&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=8
Mike
blkwrxwagon04 said:
I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...
I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :
1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.
2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).
3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...
Here is my Device info:
Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H
The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..
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1. I have never got a E but I am not to sure if Telstra even has a Edge network.
2. I have never been out of UMTS coverage since I got it so I don't know.
3. It takes about 1 second for mine to start-up.
Everthing working great, but no E for Edge either!
blkwrxwagon04 said:
I bought an 8525 a couple of days ago and have been playing around with it. The 8525 has replaced my 8125, which I loved dearly...
I have noticed 3 major bugs in the device :
1) The 8525 does not indicate when you are using edge by the "E" icon. It simply has the "G" while producing edge speed.
2) The non-3G internet connection is terrible. It times-out quite often. For instance, when I try to check my email using pocket outlook it sometimes takes forever.. or when i am trying to access a website, it says locating for about 1-2 minutes before actually opening it up. When the internet is working without the those time-outs and lags, it works great (better then the 8125 in non-3G areas).
3) Pressing the power button (when the devices screen is off to save battery life) has a weird 2-3 second delay. This never happened with the 8125...
Here is my Device info:
Rom version : 1.34.502.1
Rom date : 9/21/06
Radio Version : 1.16.00.00
Protocol version : 32.53.7018.01H
The main reason I am posting this is to find out if I am the ONLY one experiencing these problems, if so, I am going to do a warranty exchange swap. If anybody has any suggestions or comments please share it here..
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Just wanted to advise, my 8525 shipped with the exact specifications as yours. I too am not receiving an "E" for Edge transmissions. However, as one of the previous posts suggests, we may never receive an actual "E" up top in our display. Haven't had any of the timeouts you are experiencing either. My email and browsing via GPRS/Edge(Edge if I truly am receiving it) works fine. No timeouts on either e-mail retrieval or browsing at this time. Over 2 days battery life so far between charges. Woohoo! Also, in terms of actually switching from stand-by mode to power up, takes approx. 1 sec. as well. I have not yet been in a UMTS area, so I cannot advise of battery life,performance issues related to that. I'm still loving my device!
What data plan are you using media net or pda connect?
blkwrxwagon04 said:
What data plan are you using media net or pda connect?
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PDA Connect. I did read somewhere on the web that there is a client for Blackberry Connect, just can't remember where/which website it was.
mikechannon said:
Yes you're the only one with these problems. I don't know how they had the nerve to sell you it. I have searched the threads and posts here and let me see.... no ... nobody's had anything like this.
Mike
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#2 is definitely a problem...
http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=22955
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#2 is definitely a problem...
http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&message.id=22955
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Yes your right of course, I was being petty cos these problems are already posted elsewhere. Sorry for being childish.
I have to say though here in Aberdeen Scotland my GPRS connection is super fast, faster than my wifi connection and it's not on 3G due to my ancient sim card (must get a new one). So more to do with coverage/local GPRS conditions I guess. Weird cos until a few days ago it continually timed out with page not found and now works amazingly well. I changed nothing and I do not pay for a data tarriff!! I do of course get charged for bytes downloaded but still lots of folk on o2 like me don't get this unless they have a data contract. Weird.
Mike
For those of you who have connection problems, try switching to the isp.cingular AP (requires the PDA Connect plan). I had all sorts of difficulties when using the default wap.cingular AP, but the ISP one works fine...
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For those of you who have connection problems, try switching to the isp.cingular AP (requires the PDA Connect plan). I had all sorts of difficulties when using the default wap.cingular AP, but the ISP one works fine...
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(boohoo)But I don't wanna pay $25 more a month... (/boohoo)
I'm thinking about it, I just want to know for sure it'll fix these problems because I probably can't go back if it doesn't...
Is it possible to test the isp.cingular settings (and get charged) before switching, or do they not work at all without PDA connect on my account?
Just as a headsup to everyone who got the 8525 from Cingular, one of the things I was able to find out is the "G" in this case, also stands for Edge, I also believe it may or may not be in the documentation but have not been able to confirm that yet, so in this case:
"G" - GPRS, GSM and EDGE
"U" - UMTS and HSDPA
Please take this with a grain of salt.
JB
Can anyone explain the difference between the "wap.cingular" and the "isp.cingular" configurations and the step necessary to make the adjustments?
Also, I have been having some weird connectivity issues where my cingular signal become unstable when switching the Wifi radio on and off. The only way to recover is to soft reset the 8525.
I live in metro Philadelphia and have tested this both in the city and the surrounding suburbs.
Thanks!
blueshockey69 said:
Just as a headsup to everyone who got the 8525 from Cingular, one of the things I was able to find out is the "G" in this case, also stands for Edge, I also believe it may or may not be in the documentation but have not been able to confirm that yet, so in this case:
"G" - GPRS, GSM and EDGE
"U" - UMTS and HSDPA
Please take this with a grain of salt.
JB
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I've got an 8125 and an 8525 side by side in the same room, and the 8125 has an E, and the 8525 says G. Now, the documentation I have clearly distinguishes between the two. "Status Indicators" on the last page of the "Getting Started Guide."
I am using mediaNET on both.
This is a little annoying, but honestly, the speed is the same. Unless someone can confirm that this is causing lower speeds to be rejected, it's just an annoyance that, if I recally from my 2125, can be tweaked in the registry or some other simple tweak.
"Dial up"
Also, I'm having some irregularities using the 8525 as a "modem" for my computer. I have a C2D MacBook Pro, running Mac OS 10.4.8 and Windows XPSP2. With my 8125 I could use "dialup" on the Mac side via BT. On the Windows side, I could use dialup using the USB connection. (And BT in bootcamp)
I also have tested this with a regular plain HP PC laptop.
I have noticed that it doesn't always connect on the first try, whereas the 8125 always did. The connection speed is the same as tested on DSLreports mobile, but I have to say, I find this a little odd that it doesn't always connect.
I am far away from the nearest 3G area, so I won't be able to test it there until my next trip, but, oy....
Anyone else with this problem?
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I've got an 8125 and an 8525 side by side in the same room, and the 8125 has an E, and the 8525 says G. Now, the documentation I have clearly distinguishes between the two. "Status Indicators" on the last page of the "Getting Started Guide."
I am using mediaNET on both.
This is a little annoying, but honestly, the speed is the same. Unless someone can confirm that this is causing lower speeds to be rejected, it's just an annoyance that, if I recally from my 2125, can be tweaked in the registry or some other simple tweak.
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The cingular rom on the 8525 DOES NOT (not yelling) include an E icon, only G and U. When in G you are actually on EDGE, run a speedtest and you will see. Hopefully they will correct this in the future release. And since there is no included E icon there is no reg tweak that will correct this.
Ive been a happy orange customer for years, their 3G service ive found to be great in my area.
However since joining tmobile (cannot fault the data charges and their web and walk plan, spot on) ive found that i got 3G prob once upstairs in my house but havent had it since then.
I can always access the internet with the G symbol but was just wondering how you guys are doing and what you have noticed? Good 3G coverage?
I have a SPV M3100 and thats on Orange and thats got 3G at my work and at home, full Signal. Went into the street check and that says i should have a decent 3G coverage at both work and home to.
Any suggestions? Ive checked in the Phone and Band settings and ive set it to auto or manually and its still the same.
Thanks
Ran some tests...
I thought id check to see if the G was perhaps not updating to 3G as it should do, being an owner of SPVs and other HTC phones in the past i know there can be issues with windows mobile updating things sometimes.
Determind to see the speed difference I used my Ameo I went onto www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest and entered Wireless 3G and this is the results i got.
187 kilobits per second
Communcations: 187 kilobits per second
Storage: 22.8 kilobits per second
1mb file download: 44.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Mediocre
Looks to me like its def GPRS rather than 3G.
Then i used my SPV M3100:
271.9 kilobits per second
Communcations: 271.9 kilobits per second
Storage: 33.2 kilobits per second
1mb file download: 30.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Mediocre
Its very strange as the SPV M3100 seemed to fly compared to the Ameo.
Its not a major speed difference and the fact im on the Web n Walk tariff is great as the costs are all inclusive in the montly charge but i do use my Ameo on my laptop as a modem and it can be painfully slow sometimes.
Will be interested to see what results other people get and also if i was to get the 3G icon at the top of my Ameo screen, what speed that would report back.
mmm!
tomchap said:
I thought id check to see if the G was perhaps not updating to 3G as it should do, being an owner of SPVs and other HTC phones in the past i know there can be issues with windows mobile updating things sometimes.
Determind to see the speed difference I used my Ameo I went onto www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest and entered Wireless 3G and this is the results i got.
187 kilobits per second
Communcations: 187 kilobits per second
Storage: 22.8 kilobits per second
1mb file download: 44.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Mediocre
Looks to me like its def GPRS rather than 3G.
Then i used my SPV M3100:
271.9 kilobits per second
Communcations: 271.9 kilobits per second
Storage: 33.2 kilobits per second
1mb file download: 30.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Mediocre
Its very strange as the SPV M3100 seemed to fly compared to the Ameo.
Its not a major speed difference and the fact im on the Web n Walk tariff is great as the costs are all inclusive in the montly charge but i do use my Ameo on my laptop as a modem and it can be painfully slow sometimes.
Will be interested to see what results other people get and also if i was to get the 3G icon at the top of my Ameo screen, what speed that would report back.
mmm!
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i am also with T-mobile, and i got 1.2Mb per sec, that's 1200 kilobits per second, that is the speed you should get if you have HSDPA coverage.
Not sure where you are, but on Cingular USA. the phone switches to whichever signal is stronger. Well in reality, if 3g signal is weak and gprs/edge signal is real strong phone may switch to Gprs/edge.
You may want to set thephone setting network band to use only 3g (wcdma). I do that because in my house, sometimes the phone switches to edge, but if i force the network band to 3g it always stays on 3g and still works great. (again tho i have unlimited data)...
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eagle 1 said:
Not sure where you are, but on Cingular USA. the phone switches to whichever signal is stronger. Well in reality, if 3g signal is weak and gprs/edge signal is real strong phone may switch to Gprs/edge.
You may want to set thephone setting network band to use only 3g (wcdma). I do that because in my house, sometimes the phone switches to edge, but if i force the network band to 3g it always stays on 3g and still works great. (again tho i have unlimited data)...
just a thought
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yes, that's what i do, always on 3G, never go to GPRS
No WCDMA in the Ameo?
Im in the Uk and according to the Street Check postcode check i have great coverage at home and a good coverage at work but not according to my Ameo i dont!
I have checked in my Start...Settings...Phone...Band section and this is what i have:
Select your network type.
GSM or Auto (on my SPV M3100 i also have the option of WCDMA but i DONT have this on my Ameo??)
Select your GSM/UTMS band.
Auto or
GSM(900 + 1800) + UMTS(2100) or
GSM(1900 + 850) + UMTS(1900+850)
I have these both set onto Auto and still the G appears. Im aware that it will search and use the strongest band eg GPRS if the 3G signal is weak but im not getting 3G at all.
Any more ideas what it could be? Possibly a faulty phone? Ive emailed tmobile to see what they say, they have a 5 working day backlog of emails to respond to at the mo but they have been good at helping me out before.
Thanks for the info so far, appreciated.
You should also be able to set it to wcdma via a registry edit or an app that sets the band. Cingular in the US hides the network band on the hermes (8525), but a change to the registry makes it display.
Check the hermes forum for the registry or just go over to hermes forum and search for an app by Daniel Herro, he made two of them Bandswitch and Comm Mgr Pro. Comm Mgr pro is the newer app and you should be able to set it to AUto, Gprs or Wcdma..
Sorry I can't remember the exact reg key. But it should be easy to find over at the hermes forum.
Good Luck
Thanks for your help guys, got comm mgr pro and it seems to of done the trick.
Did the test again:
1.2 megabits per second
Communcations: 1.2 megabits per second
Storage: 149.5 kilobytes per second
1mb file download: 6.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Good
Alot lot better! Would also appear that tmobile have a faster 3G connection compared to orange.
All i would say is that is annoying that it seems like it doesnt auto switch like my SPV M3100 does.
Having to choose 3G and then 2G when i dont have a 3G signal may become quite tedious, but i suppose i will find out when im in areas that work and areas that dont and i will become accustomed to tweaking as appropriate.
Getting used to being without the luxory of autoswitching with my M3100 will take some getting used to.
Thanks again for your help, if anyone has any software where the Autoswitching of bands works then please let me know as mines not doing it.
Cheers
tomchap said:
Thanks for your help guys, got comm mgr pro and it seems to of done the trick.
Did the test again:
1.2 megabits per second
Communcations: 1.2 megabits per second
Storage: 149.5 kilobytes per second
1mb file download: 6.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Good
Alot lot better! Would also appear that tmobile have a faster 3G connection compared to orange.
All i would say is that is annoying that it seems like it doesnt auto switch like my SPV M3100 does.
Having to choose 3G and then 2G when i dont have a 3G signal may become quite tedious, but i suppose i will find out when im in areas that work and areas that dont and i will become accustomed to tweaking as appropriate.
Getting used to being without the luxory of autoswitching with my M3100 will take some getting used to.
Thanks again for your help, if anyone has any software where the Autoswitching of bands works then please let me know as mines not doing it.
Cheers
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I have DOPOD U1000, and it does the auto switching for me, i can also set the WCDMA in my phone setting as well.
Just done that test and got 947kbps which isn't too bad really. I was going to say, when I joined t-mob, if the coverage map wasn't accurate and didn't live upto expectations, I had 14days to return the phone. But I'm chuffed with it. Shame they've not got many masts along the west-coast mainline - I had a right internmittent connection on the train yesterday. Still, the chap next to me was impressed when I downloaded the BBC News Video Headlines from their website and played in back, all in about 30secs!
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I have DOPOD U1000, and it does the auto switching for me, i can also set the WCDMA in my phone setting as well.
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Im guessing that tmobile took it out then? mmm. Hopefully when Windows Mobile 6 is released as an upgrade for the Ameo then there may be some sort of fix in there.
For the moment itll have to do as it is.
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Just done that test and got 947kbps which isn't too bad really. I was going to say, when I joined t-mob, if the coverage map wasn't accurate and didn't live upto expectations, I had 14days to return the phone. But I'm chuffed with it. Shame they've not got many masts along the west-coast mainline - I had a right internmittent connection on the train yesterday. Still, the chap next to me was impressed when I downloaded the BBC News Video Headlines from their website and played in back, all in about 30secs!
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I agree with what your saying, the coverage could be better but what they do have is pretty good at the moment. Impressive stuff!
A few of my friends have used my Ameo as a modem and they are surpised at how easily it worked and the it didnt drop a connection, it just worked.
At least I can use the 3G aspect of it as well! Digital.Diablo have you got the Comm Mgr Plus software installed or does yours have the option to swtich in the phone settings?
You can also set comm mgr pro to Auto Select band as well. THen with the various dialogue's you can see the which signal's are available
tomchap,
I've got just standard comm manager installed, and not had problems with the 3G aspect of it so far. The only issues I've got are:-
When going from 3G to wireless lan it doesn't appear to update the default route on the phone, so I have to disable the phone, wait about 60secs, then reenable the phone. Disconnecting the 3G session doesn't seem to work so well, and the phone doesnt seem to be enableable for about 60secs afte disabling. I suspect the routing issue is a WM5 problem, rather than Ameo specific, but it does cause MMS receipt/sending to fail if I'm wifi'd rather than 3G'd to the internet (again, I'm guessing the T-Mobile MMS Servers are inaccesssible from the public 'net). Slightly annoying, but livable with. I may try commmanager+ tonight to see if its any better than the standard one.
HTC X7500 with vodafone ITA. Well with HTC P3600 I always had 3G connection at home even when it was weak, while with Advantage it seems to prefer strong gprs signal...so it switches to 3G signal rarely. I hope it is a SW metter so that with next radio upgrade, its sensibility could be improved...
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HTC X7500 with vodafone ITA. Well with HTC P3600 I always had 3G connection at home even when it was weak, while with Advantage it seems to prefer strong gprs signal...so it switches to 3G signal rarely. I hope it is a SW metter so that with next radio upgrade, its sensibility could be improved...
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why don't you just force the connection to 3G all the time? that's what i do anyway.
ive been playin with comm mmgr plus and if its set to auto, 99% of the time the G is replaced by a cross n the signal strength indicator has a cross through it to.
to be honest, im not impressed with the intermittant some times it works n sometimes it doesnt mentality of the 3g. im hoping the next rom upgrade or major software update fixes it as im sure its a sofware issue. i have asked tmobile via email about it to so will see what they say.
thanks for your help so far.
I am most unfortunate, in that here in my town in Norfolk, (according to T-mobiles "Street Check") I don't have a 3G signal. So all of my data useage is through gprs. I have to say that I'm pleased with the speed that I do get for gprs.
Did u see Chris Moyles this morning?
I tried CommMgr+ last night but it just seemed to make Ameo REALLY unstable, and the program kept crashing out. I've uninstalled it!
What does the E at the top of a tmobile mda screen stand for? It is next to the antenna signal. I've hard-resetedmy phone a couple of time and every once in a while there would be a G up there. What is the difference?
E=Edge (this is roughly the equivalent of asynchronous dsl when signal strength is good, in terms of speed: fast download, slow upload)
G=GPRS (this is roughly equivalent to dial-up service, in both directions)
It means your phone is mostly seeing the Edge network, but occasionally loses that signal and degrades to GPRS. Be happy. AT&T doesn't offer Edge network for the 8125 (the equivalent of your MDA).
Myrddin Wyllt said:
E=Edge (this is roughly the equivalent of asynchronous dsl when signal strength is good, in terms of speed: fast download, slow upload)
G=GPRS (this is roughly equivalent to dial-up service, in both directions)
It means your phone is mostly seeing the Edge network, but occasionally loses that signal and degrades to GPRS. Be happy. AT&T doesn't offer Edge network for the 8125 (the equivalent of your MDA).
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what u mean they don't offer it? im running it right now and am with att
Why does it keep changing whenever I do a hard reset?
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Why does it keep changing whenever I do a hard reset?
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Do you mean soft reset? Because a hard reset {Press VoiceDial button + comms manager button + soft reset.} wipes out everything. A soft reset is just pushing in the reset pin in the hole on the side, and pressing-and-holding the power button is just powering off and subsequently powering back on. Terminology is fairly important to getting the problem clearly in mind.
what u mean they don't offer it? im running it right now and am with att
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Don't know what to tell you mate. AT&T does not offer EDGE for my 8125. Only GPRS...at least here, that's all they offer.
I had the right terminology in mind. I did do a hard reset and not a soft reset; I do know the difference.