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WM2005 for JAM? Doubt it.

Strange how O2 and Orange have decided they're not going to release the 'Magician' aka O2 mini/MDA compact/I-Mate JAM/Orange M500 here in the UK. I'm wondering if its because WM2005 devices are right around the corner and this little gem won't be upgradable because it doesn't have the juice (memory/cpu) to run it...
I've come close 3 times now to buying one from T-Mobile.. but something just doesnt seem right.. think I'll wait a bit longer. T-Mobile is selling them like hotcakes.. o2 & orange must have a very good reason not to release these here and thats why Im thinking they're something 'special' on the horizon.
what do you guys think?

i think they want to release it with a new device.. just like what they did with the WM2003SE they didn't release any upgrades.. instead a new device..... who knows

sleepnow said:
I'm wondering if its because WM2005 devices are right around the corner and this little gem won't be upgradable because it doesn't have the juice (memory/cpu) to run it...
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At work, we run with Windows 2000 Server. Who cares that there's a 2003 version? The 2000 version does everything we want.
And isn't 2005 version of Windows Mobile going to be released in 2005, ages away?
I think people can tend to get a little wrapped up in what's just not available yet. 2nd edition Windows Mobile is going to be viable for some time yet, and is a bloody capable O/S. I know this won't be upgradeable, and just don't care...

I say get it now, there is always going to be something else you want tomorrow. Wait for that, and then something else is on the horizion.
I had an XDA II as I liked the PDA/phone idea but in practise it didn't work for me. The thing is just too big to be taken seriously as a phone, so I never used it. Tried things like the SE 910i and various Smartphones. None did the job. The SPV C500 is great, but I need a touchscreen on my pda.
So have just moved to the Jam and it is like a whole new world! It is a fabulous device and changed the way I think of and use a phone.
Cheers
Marc

Go for Jam....i have been using SE P900, moto mpx300 and Jam....I feel Jam outperformed all of them. P900 is more towards a phone....

Why you ask? Because WM2005 phones will be able to run out of battery and not have to be reconfigured (LIKE A NORMAL PHONE). Nothing is lost due to the way it uses the memory. That alone is reason enough for me, it would be nice to have to mess around the Extended ROM all the time or make backups every day for fear of losing everything. I don't have time for that these days.
WM2005 is supposedly due in the summer, and surely HTC is testing it on the replacement for the JAM as we speak.

HTC releasing a replacement for the JAM at these early stages of the JAM's life would be a suicide. What HTC want is to get as many JAM sales as possible, then release a replacement phone for us to buy another one!

WM2005 for Magician?

Are there any plans from distrubutors of the Magician to release WM2005?
Or is will be there any unofficial release like on the Himalaya?

As it was written probably A MILLION TIMES in this forum:
NO, there are no plans to offer WM2005 officially on Magician.
NO, currently there are no known plans of some unofficial source to offer WM2005 on Magician.
HOWEVER: When WM2005 comes for Magician, you could easily find the information using the SEARCH function of this board.
BTW: What do you need WM2005 for? Is it so much better? Has it less bugs than mature WM2003SE?

Didnt mean to hit a nerve there, was just a simple question...

Even if we found a way it would be a pain in the *ss cos it wouldn't fit in the amount of ROM. Face it: the Magician is too small! :wink:
The Qtek S110 is a different story tho... :idea:

it will fit, as W2005 will be released for Dells and HPs with same ROM size(64MB)

Hoping somebody will cook it for magician

esackbauer said:
As it was written probably A MILLION TIMES in this forum:
NO, there are no plans to offer WM2005 officially on Magician.
NO, currently there are no known plans of some unofficial source to offer WM2005 on Magician.
HOWEVER: When WM2005 comes for Magician, you could easily find the information using the SEARCH function of this board.
BTW: What do you need WM2005 for? Is it so much better? Has it less bugs than mature WM2003SE?
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I hope you made same brilliant remark to all the HTC Typhoon users?? who will never ever recieve a official w2k5 rom! but are all playing with w2k5 now. It is very well possible that HTC has already made a rom available with w2k5 we don't know it's up to the providers to release it for the magician, but I guess your right they never will. Maybe next time it's more helpfull to say nothing then to point someone out the search function, because this i a forum for a bunch of wackos who try to do the impossible with their phones hehe

I'm waiting for the next Magician sized device with WM5.0, so far the only thing I've heard about is the ETEN m600 (or was it 700).

It will happen soon enough when the next devices become available. I don't see them releasing it on this one though. There is already a 128MB one on its way and the spec for that still says WM2003.

Will magician ever be upgraded to WM5?any chances?

hi there
I know it's WM5 upgrade not available right now but I was just wondering that if it'll ever be possible that mini would be upgraded to WM5.Is it possible or mini doesn't meet the hardware requirements of WM5?your ideas?

Read the forums This was discussed all over the place!

However
You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
I get mine hopefully next week when I am over in China.

Nope, never, jamais, nunca, nie, никогда, nooit, ποτέ, mai.

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You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
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I hope that you are aware that Magician and o2 atom are not only different devices, BUT ALSO FROM DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS.
I will not be so naive to hope for WM5 on Magician, instead I hope for a nice brandnew WM5 device under the christmas tree. This hope is more likely to become true

Oh, another one!
:mrgreen: :lol: BWAAA HAA HAA HAAA HAAAA HAAAA :lol: :mrgreen:
Sorry, but I find people who ask this funny!

Especially because WM5 is absolutely uninteresting. It has been very slow on almost any new devices and the "nomore backups" issue isn't important to most of us people since we know how to make good backups - don't we?

I think WM5 is interessting! Not because of the Backup-Options.
Look here:
http://mobile-review.com/pda/articles/wm2005-1-en.shtml
The Outlook Contacts for example are _much_ better in WM5.
You see the Contact's full name _and_ the numbers and calling is so much easier!

Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?

Stupy said:
Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?
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Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
Unfortunately WM5 on the Magician is almost impossible. Unofficial upgrades for other devices occured simply because M$ and/or carriers were testing the new OS on these devices and the ROM got leaked. Now that the testing is over who do you think will take his time and effort to develop this interface for free??? And that's providing he/she has the necessary resources.
At this point the only way to upgrade to WM5 is to sell your device and get a new one :-( I will probably go for the 02 XDA Atom or HTC Prophet fairly soon.
(btw, I really really hope someone proves me wrong )

look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?

nato said:
look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?
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No. How may times does it have to be said. Read the post immediately before yours. :roll:
It's not going to happen.

kta said:
Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
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Thanks kta for sorting that out. I just got the Mini, so it'll be a little while before I get the Atom - they don't sell too many of these types of phones here in Canada. No matter, I'll be happy with what I've got. Cheers!

Is there anything new coming out from HTC that is significantly better than Hermes?

Hey guys, this is my first post, so please excuse my ignorance regarding windows mobile phones. I'm currently using a Sony Ericsson M600i, and I want to make the switch to Windows Mobile. I'm very close to pulling the trigger on ordering a Softbank X01HT. I'm just wondering if there is something newer and better than the Hermes that is coming out soon that I should wait for instead of purchasing the softbank now. I do have some questions regarding flashing the ROM on the softbank to a Windows Mobile 6 ROM, but I think it's best to start another thread regarding that specific question. Any help on this is greatly appreciated, thanks.

PDAdb.net is a good place for learning about coming models.
If I were to replace my JASJAM I would probably pick this one. Not HTC though, but with my experience with their hardware so far I'd say that that doesn't matter much.

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=733 HTC kaiser i will be waiting for this one

Thanks for the reply and I appreciate the link. Very cool site. The one you linked to looks nice. In terms of specs, the one replacing the Hermes has USB 2.0 and a built in GPS. That's about all that I can see in terms of differences. Well besides the cooler way the qwerty keyboard comes out of course.
I think I might go ahead and put the order in for the Softbank.

kman79 said:
Thanks for the reply and I appreciate the link. Very cool site. The one you linked to looks nice. In terms of specs, the one replacing the Hermes has USB 2.0 and a built in GPS. That's about all that I can see in terms of differences. Well besides the cooler way the qwerty keyboard comes out of course.
I think I might go ahead and put the order in for the Softbank.
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Besides that its going to have a 3.0 camera and 256mb of ram.

Can anyone tell me if this device is truly capable of displaying the alleged 262144 colours/scales?
My understanding is that WM6 only supports 65536.
kinky

how about htc advantage with built in gps 8gig hd,5"inch screen available in uk tmobile ameo

There is already a thread on this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=300590&highlight=kaiser
Mike

Moving from an 8125

I'm looking to move to one of these as my 8125 has died, what should I know? Also I have a few questions...
- What's video dialing? Is this a video conference feature?
- ATT says they will offer an upgrade to WM6 in Q3, anyone know if you will have to pay for it?
- How many of you have upgraded your phones to WM6? Was it hard? Worth it?
- Is it available in silver and black? I seem to see different descriptions of the phone.

8125 has died, what should I know? Also I have a few questions...
- What's video dialing? Is this a video conference feature?
Yes, not quite useful so far in my opinion
- ATT says they will offer an upgrade to WM6 in Q3, anyone know if you will have to pay for it?
Nobody really knows what is officialy going on with WM6, there are allready great cooked roms available that may be far better than the official one
- How many of you have upgraded your phones to WM6? Was it hard? Worth it?
I did, toyed with allmost all roms available for my hermes, and I was pretty happy with most of those
- Is it available in silver and black? I seem to see different descriptions of the phone.
No idea, as I have an Orange branded one

Thanks for the quick response What was your favorite ROM out of all of them? The newest "Black" one? Also where could I find a guide on how to upgrade the ROM for it?

You can find all the information you in the WIKI .. go figure...

Really? He can find out which ROM was fun_key's favorite in the Wiki? Care to provide the link?