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Pls can any1 help. i just upgraded my radiostack to v4.21. and now my xda wont load. i get the rom kitchen splash screen, but no lights on even though its in the cradle.
The rom is 4.00.11, but on the screen there is also a g and an r above it??
soft and hard boots do nothing.
Any advice??
Thanks
Hello
So far over thirty views on this post and not one response.
If i have to pay for a fix i will.
It would be nice if someone could help thats all.
PLEASE
Well I've spending most of my time trying to find the thread that has already addressed this issue, but have been unable to locate it.
Anyhow if I remember correctly the thread talked about leaving the unit in the cradle while on until it booted on its own.
HTH
**** you all
am going to buy a sony clie instead.
0ver 60 views and no decent help.
Some people ...
dodgers said:
Subject: **** you all
am going to buy a sony clie instead.
0ver 60 views and no decent help.
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I think you are mistaking this forum for a paid-for support service.
If you look for Radio Stack Upgrades on this forum (or any place else on the net), you would notice lots of things can go wrong during these upgrades. These problems appear to stem from various sources, and there's not one easy solution. Our official advice is never to upgrade the RSU until you really, really, really have to, and know that the upgrade will fix know issues that are bothering you. You would also see your general question has been dealt with in detail many times before, which may be the reason people did not jump to answer your question promptly.
On recovery from RSU problems: many people have claimed success from various rescue methods, whose recipes you will find on this forum if you use the search function. If neither of these help, you'll have to send the unit in for service. Radio upgrade problems really show a main design weakpoint of the XDA. But hey, we didn't design it, and we didn't sell it to you either. We're just assembled here to help ourselves, and as many other people as we can. On behalf of this entire community, I apologize for the fact that we couldn't help you as promptly as is the obvious birthright of someone of your stature.
I can sense you're someone special. You post your problem and expect the perfect answer within 24 hours. If you don't get it, you then top it off by writing a post with subject '**** you all', and say you will buy a Sony Clie instead. Now I could tell interesting stories about something which Sony calls 'customer support', but I will not. Our world is a better place if you buy a Clie, and yours may be too. I'm sure many people on this forum would be more than happy to provide suggestions as to what to do with your old XDA.
No I do not think im special, nor do i think this is a "pay for fix" service.
I received my xda prior to release as my company writes software for the XDA. I have been reviewing this forum since it first started, when the only way to get round the sim-lock was to force a software error.
Yes things have progressed...a great deal, and it is by far the best xda site on the web. I recommend this site daily to associates and clients daily,
but it would also seem that some people have a "greater than thou" elitest attitude, and ignore any post which does not challenge their supreme intellect.
I would have been more than happy with a simple "go to this thread" rather than being passed over because my problem is not interesting.
I fly to Saudi on Tuesday, so if anyone wants a mint xda with cradle. then you can have it for free.
If anyone also wants the IPR for xda software that will make them alot of money then let me know. The concept has been tested and the IBM labs in Winchester have agreed to lend any equipment required.
Regardless of your sarcastic undertones, thank for for at least posting a reply.
HI friends I am looking for a ROM for my ORANGE SPV3100 with preinstalled theft alert system. I have lost one PDA in which I installed a theft alert software but as the thief might have hard reset the device before using it the whole protection failed. Somebody told me to have a customized ROM with theft protection software pre-installed in it. So that even in case the thief hard-reset I should be able to get the alert. I need Your help seniors & friends as that would save a lot of money & a dear PDA from getting lost in wrong hands.
Regards
Saksham Katyal
PS:I am using official Orange SPV 3100 ROM of APRIL 2007. Is there an way of putting that software in to it.
55views but not a single reply.. No offence but is it so hard that people finding it so hard to reply on thia novel concept. Anyway still looking for replies from seniors & techiesss...
Here, I'll reply.
I have no idea.
That's probably what the other 55 views were thinking, too. No point posting, "I dunno" posts really, is there?
I suspect that the reason there is no one posting is because usually that anti-theft type software isn't free, so if people were to put it into their cooked ROM's and post it online, it would be illegal.
Your best bet would be to purchase the software and cook it into your own ROM (without redistributing it). I could be wrong however, so correct me if i am
i also want to add theft protection to mine in the same manor as you described, are there any guides on how to do this?
just dumping into extended rom?
Simple anti theft protection
It is hard-reset resistive and even resistant to after_theft_new_rom_download procedure:
- you need small single paper where you write your IMEI number and police phone number and keep it secure.
-in case your PDA is stolen, take out your small peace of paper, call police number and give them IMEI from your stolen PDA.
Police together with mobile providers is usually locating SIM-card users of stolen mobiles in no more than one day after switching on.
Mentioned procedure is under GPL so you can use it and spread it anywhere and anytime.
Thanx all of You people for Your views but I have purchased a software for this & I want to put it in to my ROM. Thats what I wanna know if there is anybody who can do it for me. I believe in buying something instead of cracking it & using it illegal but on the other hand I am concerned about my hard earned money going in to hell. May I know seniors if anybody there who knows how to do this trick. I will be very thankful to You as this would increase my faith in XDA.Forum capabilities of standing with good ideas & techniques. Cheers
Regards
Saksham Katyal
sakshamkatyal said:
Thanx all of You people for Your views but I have purchased a software for this & I want to put it in to my ROM. Thats what I wanna know if there is anybody who can do it for me. I believe in buying something instead of cracking it & using it illegal but on the other hand I am concerned about my hard earned money going in to hell. May I know seniors if anybody there who knows how to do this trick. I will be very thankful to You as this would increase my faith in XDA.Forum capabilities of standing with good ideas & techniques. Cheers
Regards
Saksham Katyal
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learn to cook (it is not hard today with the pandora kitchen)
purchase or get the soft, make OEM package of it,
cook it with Pandora and you good
if you want other skilled people to do it customized for you rom you should offer a price you prepare to pay to this skilled people
do it yourself or be willing to pay for service (customized only for you) or to ask someone to make you a favor ,
you are asking for a favor
good luck
edward
@edward-riko, Thanx for Your valuable suggestion. May I know which is the most easiest way of doing the things You have mentioned here. I mean any software that can help me putting that software in to that ROM. This is not something of my concern rather the kind of response once You will have this kind of ROM is going to be enormous. I believe there is one .NBH file which contains everything. Plz guide me as to its making & other requirements & any wrong consequences for my PDA with that self cooked ROM. Looking for Your reply.
Regards
Saksham Katyal
I don't know if that will help but I remember about 1,5 year ago on the buzzdev forum (http://buzzdev.net) one guy posted a thread about a software that will read the phonenumber from the SIM in case it is changed and it will SMS it to a predefined number, revealing in that way the number of the thief. The developer required a personal request for this in order to hard code the license in the software that would be purchased. Don't remember price. (Search on the Himalaya 2005 section)
Hey,
Some of you may know the website: www.touch-innovation.com
I'm not going to advertise it's features - because that's not what I'm here for.
I'm basically wondering if anyone still uses it, or would still use it. And whether it warrants mine and others time to get it running properly again.
I've neglected it the past few months, mainly because of my work, i'm only 16 and my GCSE's are a month or 2 away. So it's a big time.
I think I can get it going again, make it more popular, get more programs etc. But only if people will use it. So do you think it's worth my valuable time at the moment?
And if there's anyone willing to help out, if you think it's worth it, now the time is to ask.
Thanks guys
Wonderful effort esspecially considering your age and other commitments.
I personally believe if you can do it and get high grades then do, but remember your GCSEs are very important university's and colleges will look at them and even more so employers. So be wise .
I'm in uni so I talking from my own experience know how important GCSEs can be to "success" then and "success" later.
Hey Napbree
It is a wonderful site and you can find all finger touch applications for PPC. I think that you should continue with the site and if you need any help in maintaining "Count Me In"
Well, i keep visiting it every week because it has good info.
Cheers mate.
O and O said:
Wonderful effort esspecially considering your age and other commitments.
I personally believe if you can do it and get high grades then do, but remember your GCSEs are very important university's and colleges will look at them and even more so employers. So be wise .
I'm in uni so I talking from my own experience know how important GCSEs can be to "success" then and "success" later.
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exactly....the GCSEs are definitely what should be more important for you right now, whether that means to take a break from the site or to shut it down completely for the time being.....
Education should definately be the prioriy. But i also think you should try to keep the site going and let us help you in anyway we can. Ill start adding and updating software today. Maybe getting a few more people on board would help us out also?. Touch innovation has come along way, and it would be great to see it continually get better. But again, your future comes first. Thanks for letting me help on your site N.
dschoenike (Derek)
This is a Dev Related forum and this thread doesent belong here
(joking..) i agree with them, Studies first, later you'll have all the time for this
I agree with the rest. I'm in college right now and I can tell you, you will need good marks especially if your going to an institute. You've made a great site at an age that not many people (myself included) would even try to create much less maintain. School comes first though and trust me getting good on those GCSEs will help you immensely.
Im not sure of whats all involved with maintaning a website technically-wise, but could you like, put someone else in charge of it while you're taking care of more important priorities? My apologies for a probably silly question, but im just trying to help ya figure out keeping touch innovation going. Love that site
dschoenike
is tha site gone ? im geting: " Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '?' in /home/.axle/brennn/mobile.touch-innovation.com/index.php on line 1358 " When trying to access... dont think iv ever been to tha site.. will keep an eye out 2 see if it comes back..
Lol, the site works mate.. and its a very good site mind you, its just a little clustered like this forum on occasions and just needs some more organisation but none the less its definitely worth while if you can get each developer to post there apps there.
Also.. when did this forum become boredofstudies.org? O_O
Sorry for the mobile.touch-innovation.com, my error. Fixed now.
I think i've decided that because of all the work i've put into the site (site is coded from base up, not based upon anything.) and that I had already started another beta (where the design was re-hauled, and a load of new features + orginisation filters etc) that I am going to carry it on, but not let it take priority. So when I have 5-10 mins, I'll just code some more, or optimise it etc. After I;ve finished all of my c/w of course.
Any suggestions, and anyone looking to help out, post in here, and I'll get to you at some point. I;m off to bed, night
Napbree said:
Hey,
Some of you may know the website: www.touch-innovation.com
I'm not going to advertise it's features - because that's not what I'm here for.
I'm basically wondering if anyone still uses it, or would still use it. And whether it warrants mine and others time to get it running properly again.
I've neglected it the past few months, mainly because of my work, i'm only 16 and my GCSE's are a month or 2 away. So it's a big time.
I think I can get it going again, make it more popular, get more programs etc. But only if people will use it. So do you think it's worth my valuable time at the moment?
And if there's anyone willing to help out, if you think it's worth it, now the time is to ask.
Thanks guys
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yes please keep it going
I'll definitely keep using it regularly!
thanks for this cool site
Math
i would like to help maintain it im a senoir in high school and i need more experience for college so if you need help contact me
i think you need to delegate some of the duties of the website. but i generaly like the layout and have used it befor
nice effort keep it up
shouldn't GCSE be year end, or is it not?
Regardless, I agree with the rest, that your studies is more important at this point. It's always good to venture into something you like, above studies, but when it comes to examination like GCSE, you just have to priortise them accordingly.
The thing is, windows mobile plan to release a online store for all win mobile applications, so that means my little revenue will drop even more. And my laptop has now broke.. Not good.
Site is not working anymore, so was the decision to focus on education made and the site shut down?
Ceger
OK,
I could understand griping at me if I just came here saying "Hay guise! I'm too
lazy to spend any time doing research and finding out how to do this on my
ownz. Could somebody just spoonfeed me something they spent hours
learning how to do?"
If that were the case I would deserve much scorn and derision but perhaps
you might hear my explanation and perchance give me a little help.
I recently bought an HTC Vogue that was sold to the original buyer through
Sprint. I have Cricket. Since I previously had an account with Sprint I thought
I could set one up again but no, they turned me down, don't know exactly
why.
I was buying the phone to replace my Sanyo that was going off the deep end
and thought I would learn to unlock/flash the new one over to Cricket on my
own. Much time was spent joining forums, reading conflicting advice and
gnashing my teeth. Then, joy of joys, the Sanyo craters all together and I
now have no connectivity at all. To worsen matters my cell line is how I get
business, being a handyman and I many people are reluctant to hire someone
who doesn't answer their phone. So, much to my consternation, I desperately
need to get my Vogue working on the Cricket network. I have the Vogue's
ESN registered as the phone on my account now and the guy was kind
enough to provide me with the min, mdn and SID numbers when I went in
to do the changeover but that's all I gots.
I have seen too many pages of data telling me the alleged definitive way to
get not only my voice service working on Cricket, but text, SMS, web AND
GPS as well but I am reluctant to try any of them because I can ill afford to
buy another phone because I bricked this one. Nor do I want to pay someone
to do it for me when I know that given the right info, I can do it myself.
I know it is stupid to lose business because I want to flash my own phone but
surely many of you out there feel the same way.
Here's what I am asking. Can a few of you kindhearted folks point me to the
ultimate and definitive guide to getting all of my services working on the
Cricket network? I really have put in a lot of search time but all I can say for
certain is that I believe that xda Devs is the site that is my best shot.
I would be very grateful if someone could help, I have also seen evidence of
many people saying that Android is the way to go instead of WM but I have
no idea if I should just stay with Windows Mobile 6, upgrade to a newer one
or switch to Android much less if I should make a change before or after I
flash the phone to Cricket. Uggggghhh.
Please good sirs (and ladies?) thy help would be most fortuitous at this
juncture.
Thanks in advance,
Tex
Adden-dumb
It looks like I figured out that since the phone was an insurance
replacement that it has Windows Mobile 6.1 on it, that solves
one riddle for me.
I've seen very few guides to doing this..and most of them from rather untrustworthy sites.
Basically because I believe the same information can be used to CLONE a cell phone, stealing someone else's service.
I'm afraid that's not of much help to you, but I looked into it once before, and was told basically unless the provider was willing to program it for me, it would be very difficult to do.
You have to change the ESN to the one of the Sanyo... which is illegal afaik
mikechannon said:
"In general "I hate my phone" threads neither contribute soluactions to problems nor do they seek answers to problems in a calm and reasoned way.
These forums are for the giving and receiving of information that assists users to get the best from their device - it is not a vehicle for "sounding-off" about your phone.
This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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Ok .... so, the fact that we know HTC pay attention to people gripes, comments and compliments on these forums.... if that had been a "we love HTC thread" would that have been closed?
I agree being rude and obnoxious are very good reasons but ... why not censor the very few posts related to it. Why close the general dissastifaction with what appears to be a typical HTC release. Without a place to talk about the general failure of HTC, how can the majority of people learn? How can those prospective customers be aware of the challenges they need to overcome to turn a rubbish device (out of the factory) into a great device (after XDA and chefs)?
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And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
The one thing i've always used in years is the xda forums and some of that i haven't even owned a HTC device. Like it or not, most people here have invested a lot of hard earned cash (or will over the next 18/24 months) and that will naturaly attract an emotional value - hence some anger when something like this doesn't work. The fact there was so much feeling in that thread should indicate the level of "emotion" about it and the incensed feeling they have about the amount people feel they have spent, money and time, on a device they are so unhappy about. Maybe if you guys created a "vent here thread" you might get to allow people to rant AND get usefull threads - heck, even HTC might read the "vent here thread!" and take note?
I'm so worried after reading todays threads in particular, about ordering mine earlier today but sadly nothing else that supports FULL exchange meets my requirements. I know my consumer rights and will use them to the full should I need to but I hope not it does have so many great points.
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Ok .... so, the fact that we know HTC pay attention to people gripes, comments and compliments on these forums....
We don't know that for sure. There are many on here who would disagree, saying that for them, if HTC were listening, then perceived problems would have been resolved quicker.
I agree being rude and obnoxious are very good reasons but ... why not censor the very few posts related to it. Why close the general dissatisfaction with what appears to be a typical HTC release. Without a place to talk about the general failure of HTC, how can the majority of people learn? How can those prospective customers be aware of the challenges they need to overcome to turn a rubbish device (out of the factory) into a great device (after XDA and chefs)?
Problem with this argument is that there are some on here who don't wish to face those challenges, which is fair enough. However what they do is to gripe about it and not help themselves, even when you point them in the right direction.
And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
Not sure where you get that from. Please provide evidence of this or retract.
The one thing i've always used in years is the xda forums and some of that i haven't even owned a HTC device. Like it or not, most people here have invested a lot of hard earned cash (or will over the next 18/24 months) and that will naturally attract an emotional value - hence some anger when something like this doesn't work. The fact there was so much feeling in that thread should indicate the level of "emotion" about it and the incensed feeling they have about the amount people feel they have spent, money and time, on a device they are so unhappy about. Maybe if you guys created a "vent here thread" you might get to allow people to rant AND get useful threads - heck, even HTC might read the "vent here thread!" and take note?
Any "ranting", as you put it, should be made direct to HTC. XDA-Developers is exactly that; a developers site with a lot of interested non-developers in it. Its not the place to take out your frustrations against a manufacturer.
Re your point on hard earned cash being spent, I can't disagree with this. However ask these people how many of them went out and gave the device a really good test drive and an assessment of whether it would meet their needs or not and you will be silenced by the response.
I'm so worried after reading todays threads in particular, about ordering mine earlier today but sadly nothing else that supports FULL exchange meets my requirements. I know my consumer rights and will use them to the full should I need to but I hope not it does have so many great points.
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If you have doubts about this device then don't buy it. You will be severely disappointed. If you have not taken time out to test drive one before putting your order in then, with respect, more fool you.
Finally, moderators on here bend over backwards NOT to close threads or be seen as censoring debate. However we have to keep a balance and if, in our judgment, a thread is getting out of hand or no longer has any value nor serve any useful purpose then it will be closed.
All the best,
WB
as you've quoted inside of quotes you have made it really dificult for me to "quote" back - nice job! (although i suspect not deliberate).
"We don't know that for sure. There are many on here who would disagree, saying that for them, if HTC were listening, then perceived problems would have been resolved quicker."
Yeah ok. So the very big majority of Winmob market phones are produced by HTC, this site is dedicated to HTC (and historicaly Winmob).... do you REALLY think they don't read these forums? Really? Honestly? Are you sure?
"Problem with this argument is that there are some on here who don't wish to face those challenges, which is fair enough. However what they do is to gripe about it and not help themselves, even when you point them in the right direction."
I agree. There are SOME who want to gripe. There are a ship load more who want to make a device work but can't, no matter the support they get from the community - random users suffering from the SMS bug for example? The very fact most of these people have googled/have knowledge of these forums, means that they have at least gone to some effort to resolve an issue. So yes some, but a VERY small number. So, how can they air the frustrations they have? where? Maybe the most expansive and read HTC forums... thats a good place to start!
"And it appears all you have to do is complain about a thread, not be justified in your complaint.
Not sure where you get that from. Please provide evidence of this or retract."
*sigh* .... ok .... i'll come back to this but, i did quote, if you really want me to link to a thread closed in the past 10 minutes other than i already quoted your mod. I will.
"Any "ranting", as you put it, should be made direct to HTC. XDA-Developers is exactly that; a developers site with a lot of interested non-developers in it. Its not the place to take out your frustrations against a manufacturer."
Yeah ya know, it was a developers site years ago.... its not any more and hasn't been for a long time. Its a cookers and users site now. If you still think HTC don't read this forum then .... The sites success over the years can also be its greatest strength if you let it.
Now this isn't a problem of the site itself, more one with many reviews and fanboys of ALL phones, Iphone, HTC, Nokia....
"Re your point on hard earned cash being spent, I can't disagree with this. However ask these people how many of them went out and gave the device a really good test drive and an assessment of whether it would meet their needs or not and you will be silenced by the response."
Trying out a phone is a shop is a VERY diferent affair to OWNING one. Any person will know that, sadly though, many of us have to go by the reviews and forum comments that are available and try to filter out what may or may not be fanboy. Magazines, forum posts, personal reviews, blogs are all individual and very personal. Saying that someone should have reviewed more is simply not fair. Its impossible. Try asking your local O2 shop if you can take a phone away for a couple of weeks to try?
Hold on .... yes you can!!!! And that was the point of the last thread that got closed! Your fellow mod closed a thread which wasn't actually personal to anyone and (from a personal fed up with moaners point of view) I was trying educate people who purchased there phones in the UK that they had a bucket load of rights. If they are not happy, and it was purchased from the uk, then please "turn it in!" and return it.
Now from my pov, i'm a londoner (can you tell?) but i work all over the world. Currently im in Durban (yeah I was there at the test match! and met the England team) but out here they dont have the HD 2 so, I have to go on the reviews etc. Some people out here will spend near on £600 getting it imported from Expansys UK (ummm .... co.za) and other sites.
also..
Can i provide evidence? No. It was not made public so all I can assume is that if I PM a mod, things will be closed:
mikechannon said:
"In general "I hate my phone" threads neither contribute soluactions to problems nor do they seek answers to problems in a calm and reasoned way.
These forums are for the giving and receiving of information that assists users to get the best from their device - it is not a vehicle for "sounding-off" about your phone.
This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
(In addition - this thread has been reported by Members)
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How can i provide more evidence than that? I'm not privvy to your private messages. The previous line though backs up my "love HTC or go away" argument to a small extent:
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This thread does have some useful content, so I will not delete it but will close it as relevant points have already been made.
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I really think you guys, having helped, actually almost pushed HTC to where they are should now use your position and be .... responsible(? maybe a bit strong)) ... finaly get off the HTC only band wagon. Let them know that the stunning products they produce will no longer be accepted only 90% complete.
Ok. Lets be realistic. I ain't gona change your minds on anything and I don't want you to rebel against HTC as they make amazing hardware but, at least, in the position you have got.... maybe create a "if your gone B*&% and let off steam, do it in this thread?" thread? Maybe, just maybe there will be a common thread in it that HTC will finaly get to grips with .....?
Oh, and i've had a tytn, tytn 2 and having had both of those replaced under warranty i thought... no! Poke it! And had a tosh g900 when most people couldnt even spell 800 res screens and then foolishly went to a TD. That was refunded quickly under sales of goods act. Have an Acer M900 but due to the fact i'm living in south africa and i purchased that under my company contract, i now need to replace next week when im back in the UK. I was looking at a Milestone but the exchange support is rubbish at best. So, I have a week to try the HD2 or return it as not fit for purpose.... I do however, really want it to work!
And one final word.... my best winmob device without a device? Well two actually .... the Samsung Omnia and the baggage reconciliation devices i'm working with at the new Durban airport (what??? its not just a PHONE O/S!!!!??)
My opinion.
Here's an example of 2 threads.
MY HD2 IS THE WORST FONE ON THE PLANIT
I bought this fone for £x000 dollars and it should do everything I can ever imagine, rite out of the out of the box. I am disgusted that HTC expect ME to fix their problems.
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SMS didn't send
Hi everyone.
I tried to send a text message to my friends earlier and it's stuck in my outbox. Does anyone know why this might be? Does anyone have a suggestion as to what I should do about it?
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This forum is not about defending or slating any particular device. It is meant for users to get together and talk about ways to make the experience better. This forum is not responsible for the fact that some hardware that comes out of some factory and gets some software installed on it is not 100% perfect!
Now for 1 moment, can we please put aside arguments regarding the device and talk about the forum? Which of the above 2 threads is the most constructive?
Thank you.
johncmolyneux said:
Here's an example of 2 threads.
This forum is not about defending or slating any particular device. It is meant for users to get together and talk about ways to make the experience better. This forum is not responsible for the fact that some hardware that comes out of some factory and gets some software installed on it is not 100% perfect!
Now for 1 moment, can we please put aside arguments regarding the device and talk about the forum? Which of the above 2 threads is the most constructive?
Thank you.
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More to the point, what is the point of leaving the first example open? At the very least there should be a dedicated section for those unhelpful posts (as [★] suggested yesterday) but I think they should just be closed as they're so worthless.
Do you work for a newspaper?
Both comments are usefull. Just because you don't see the use in both doesn't mean they are not usefull. Does that mean 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms so they should be ignored of Fred Smiths Condom appreciation website?
(sorry thats a really poor example but its 2am here in SA and i've been on the beer and Eve-online and films for a few hours )
Very fair play to you for putting forward an argument (non abusive as I would hope) and maybe catch up tomorrow.
Monty,
You are a Londoner eh? I should have known. You lot are nothing but trouble makers!
First off sorry about the quotes within quotes; didn't realise it stopped you from quoting back. Now that I do...
OK, lots in your post that I could come back on in detail but I won't because I'm the sort of chap that likes going forwards, not looking back in self pity or whatever.
The one thing that you have suggested, and you are not the first, is that we think on somewhere where people can let off steam WITHOUT cluttering up the forums. As you know there is some work going on as to how best we can restructure the place to make it better. Can I ask you to be a little patient while all this gets worked through.
In the meantime, think on the following:
- Help us to support people who need and want help and please be robust about those that don't but just fancy a moan and upsetting people on here without ever really wanting to seek help or to help themselves (the word Troll comes to mind).
- If you look at the Development & Hacking forums you will see that Development is stronger than ever and does not change what this place is all about. The work of the chefs is recognised and appreciated, and you can argue that is also development so 2-0 there.
- Lets all try to be a little adult, constructive and get along a little. I can tell you that, from a Mods perspective, we really want to be doing other things to make people's lives on here better rather than spending time closing threads down because people just can't have a little respect for each other. I often wonder whether anyone ever reads the forum rules.
Finally thank you for keeping on the straight and narrow re this thread and not going off the rails and getting it closed.
WB
jakem said:
More to the point, what is the point of leaving the first example open? At the very least there should be a dedicated section for those unhelpful posts (as [★] suggested yesterday) but I think they should just be closed as they're so worthless.
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I totally agree mate (hence the support in said thread raised by [★] yesterday.)
I find this site a ridiculously valuable source of information when I need help with my phone, and I find it disheartening to have to wade through complaint after complaint just in order to get to constructive discussions.
If I wanted to live in troll city, I'd pack all my stuff into boxes; call a removals company; do some browsing of estate agents and property letting agents; check the reputation of the areas I was interested in and then guess what.... MOVE TO TROLL CITY!
I'm a placid guy generally, but some posts really make me struggle to just not tell the OP where to go.
+9999999 recurring to real constructive users of this site.
-9999999 recurring to trolls (and we know you don't think you're a troll, but you are.)
Monty Burns said:
Do you work for a newspaper?
Both comments are usefull. Just because you don't see the use in both doesn't mean they are not usefull. Does that mean 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms so they should be ignored of Fred Smiths Condom appreciation website?
(sorry thats a really poor example but its 2am here in SA and i've been on the beer and Eve-online and films for a few hours )
Very fair play to you for putting forward an argument (non abusive as I would hope) and maybe catch up tomorrow.
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If 10% of men don't like brand x of condoms then they should definitely speak their mind. They would be wrong though to go to a forum that supports uses of brand x condoms and slate them. A support forum is for support.
OK first, no idea who Martin is. (Its Monty spelt the wrong way - doh)
Second, guys sounds like we might have a good conversation on the values of "to HTC or not HTC" although I might be on the wrong side, despite just spending a bucket load of fivers on a HT2.
Please, keep it clean and (well funny if you can't) but not personaly insulting. Everyone on a keyboard is a human being!
Be safe, have fun!
Monty Burns said:
OK first, no idea who Martin is.
Second, guys sounds like we might have a good conversation on the values of "to HTC or not HTC" although I might be on the wrong side, despite just spending a bucket load of fivers on a HT2.
Please, keep it clean and (well funny if you can't) but not personaly insulting. Everyone on a keyboard is a human being!
Be safe, have fun!
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I agree with that totally, but I do think this thread should be moved to a general area. Let's face it, it's hardly HD2 specific now is it!
It would be nice to see everyone's thoughts on this, rather than just the ones with The God Phone. (Just kidding - that was meant to incite trouble )
To be fair, those "I hate this phone" ranting type threads really do spiral into a hate fest or at least the few I've seen. If a topic is interesting and you comment on it, and go back later to see how it develops when all that is left is just insults, it has no use to most if not all.
johncmolyneux said:
I agree with that totally, but I do think this thread should be moved to a general area. Let's face it, it's hardly HD2 specific now is it!
It would be nice to see everyone's thoughts on this, rather than just the ones with The God Phone. (Just kidding - that was meant to incite trouble )
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Argh! I'm not a god!!! (although I think I am, with my size 9 shoes... bow down before me!)
Seriously, maybe a good idea. I guess in an odd way this may complement (orb3000s?) the other thread vote about should it be HTC or not site? We don't know you server statistics of course but, we can hope that we can get to the stage where we can give our opinion on HTC honestly..... ( i wanted to deleted that and not type it as its not fair, i think we can, mostly ).
In my view its like a really cool manopoly. The games fun to play for almost all of us (i may/may not include myself in that after 2 years HTC abscense on next Friday) but for some it really sucks cos they keep losing.
I would think that moving it to an adult discussion of the real benefits as us users see if you become "open" but, we have no idea of the server costs... only you guys do.
(you do of course know that pressure will mount and mount and mount with regards to non-HTC phones. Your not silly Samsung, LG, Acer.... to name but a few know that the serious money is in smart phones in the next few years, not feature. In Slough o2 test 150-200 meg 4g phones a couple of weeks ago )
From what I understand, this is a developers forum. i.e. look to the potential rather than to the faults as is.
There are far too many distracting threads along the lines of "the virtual keyboard is killing me", "my wife left me because of the battery life", "the pink camera issue made me kill my neighbour". These type of threads may have valid points but they are all a bit melodramatic and really don't serve the purpose of the forum very well as they fan the flames of discontent rather that rise to the can-fix mindset. Despite what the trolls (for want of a better word) might like to say, this isn't a fanboi site, it's for those who realise a problem and want to solve it, simply just improve things, or just want to tweak things just because they can! I'm sure most of us here are all too aware of the shortcomings of Windows mobile software, just as we recognise the potential & strengths of this platform.
Speaking as a self-confessed technophile I will admit to spending an not inconsiderable amount of hard-earned money on utter crap i.e. gadgets that promised so much, yet delivered so little or were simply just badly executed. The HD2 is non of these, it's a stunning piece of design & engineering. It's not perfect, for example: the sharp edges of the camera lens annoy me a little, but it doesn't induce a desire in me to vent my spleen to the world.
I'm optimistic, I hope to survive longer than my HD2 and maybe via this forum HTC will hear my concern for this non-life threatening design flaw and engineer a more ergonomic lens cover for the next mobile phone I get. If they don't, it will undoubtedly leave a microscopic void in my life, but I'm strong enough to move on and no doubt the HTC designers will burn in hell for their tardiness.
xda-developers is what is says and is a great community that helps us get the best from these intriguing phones, so please diss the efforts of those who contribute and recognise that enthusiasm is a far better fertilizer for technology than manure.
Besides that, looking at my HD2 I've just noticed that it's going to be wet & windy at "My Location" tomorrow. That's fifty miles away and I'm not even going there, so it's a win for me!