Just taken a long hard look at the HTC website, where as other threads have noted, the X7501 has been announced.
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_x7501.htm
Having gone through the 2 spec's the only difference I can find is WM6. My worry (being an owner of an Ameo) was that they'd spotted something in the hardware and had to release a new spec! This doesn't seem to be the case.
It gives even more hope that WM6 for the Athena is a matter of weeks away...
Difference is Front Camera
It seems the front camera is missing from the 7501 ("Second camera: VGA CMOS imaging sensor")
-Krip
anilk said:
It seems the front camera is missing from the 7501 ("Second camera: VGA CMOS imaging sensor")
-Krip
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If you have read my post, you should know this by now, the only different in 7500 and 7501 is the OS , and the front camera. HTC will not lunch the WM6 update for 7500. Not sure about Ameo, but DOPOD 100% will lunch the WM6 update for DOPOD U1000. But it's no where soon, it will be in summer.
As a U1000 owner I am much relieved. Thanks for this confirmation. I look forward to receiving WM6 update in summer even if I have to pay for it.
Say what? I just spent a lot of money on the Ameo, beleiving it WAS wm2006, because all the hype was the Athena/Advantage/Whatever would be one of the first to have it.
Now the T-Mobile Ameo HAS a front camera, does that mean no 2006 for us?
Would flashing the wrong rom mean a dead device or a device where the front cam stops working, or even a fully working device with 2006?
T-Mobile better not shaft us on 2006.
I had just assumed the 2005 in the spec was either an error or due to delays in 2006 it would ship 2005 and have an update shortly after, but from what your saying there is no upgrade for the version with front cam? that sounds mad.
There will be an official WM6 ROM. I would say 2-3 months (that's a guess btw, I don't know any official date).
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Say what? I just spent a lot of money on the Ameo, beleiving it WAS wm2006, because all the hype was the Athena/Advantage/Whatever would be one of the first to have it.
Now the T-Mobile Ameo HAS a front camera, does that mean no 2006 for us?
Would flashing the wrong rom mean a dead device or a device where the front cam stops working, or even a fully working device with 2006?
T-Mobile better not shaft us on 2006.
I had just assumed the 2005 in the spec was either an error or due to delays in 2006 it would ship 2005 and have an update shortly after, but from what your saying there is no upgrade for the version with front cam? that sounds mad.
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nono, that is not what i am saying, the no front camera version is HTC X7501 (WM6). I am not quiet sure why they took out the front camera, but certainly they will not release wm6 update for x7500 (otherwise no one will buy x7501).
For T-mobile, there is only one version, which is Ameo, since i don't have contact with T-mobile, i can't tell you whether they will release WM6 update for Ameo or not, it's really up to them. When Ameo lunch, it clearly say it's WM5, therefore they really have no responsibility to release WM6 Update. It's purely a benefit for their customer. So let's hope they will do so.
As for DOPOD, there is also only one version, DOPOD U1000, and since DOPOD is always quite strong on software development and frequent ROM update, it make sense that they will release the WM6 update.
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There will be an official WM6 ROM. I would say 2-3 months (that's a guess btw, I don't know any official date).
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What company are you talking about? T-mobile? DOPOD? or HTC? Is that confirm or not?
btw, a small good news for T-mobile Ameo owner, i went to the 3GSM, and i kind of remember T-mobile told me they will release WM6 update, but just can't remember is it for Ameo or not.
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nono, that is not what i am saying, the no front camera version is HTC X7501 (WM6). I am not quiet sure why they took out the front camera, but certainly they will not release wm6 update for x7500 (otherwise no one will buy x7501).
For T-mobile, there is only one version, which is Ameo, since i don't have contact with T-mobile, i can't tell you whether they will release WM6 update for Ameo or not, it's really up to them. When Ameo lunch, it clearly say it's WM5, therefore they really have no responsibility to release WM6 Update. It's purely a benefit for their customer. So let's hope they will do so.
As for DOPOD, there is also only one version, DOPOD U1000, and since DOPOD is always quite strong on software development and frequent ROM update, it make sense that they will release the WM6 update.
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@Wu
What is your source for No Update for HTC 7500? It is your contact at HTC? I am being told that Yes, HTC will allow upgrade for HTC 7500, as who would buy HTC 7500, if three month's later a 7501 with WM6 is planning to be released.Everyone would just wait for 7501...
At least that is what is being quoted on several WM internet sites, with quotes from HTC management. Even distributors are saying that 7500 will be able to upgrade. But then again, I guess you could put any anthena wm6 rom on any anthena device.
Just curious as to why some say their HTC source says yes and some say No...
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@Wu
What is your source for No Update for HTC 7500? It is your contact at HTC? I am being told that Yes, HTC will allow upgrade for HTC 7500, as who would buy HTC 7500, if three month's later a 7501 with WM6 is planning to be released.Everyone would just wait for 7501...
At least that is what is being quoted on several WM internet sites, with quotes from HTC management. Even distributors are saying that 7500 will be able to upgrade. But then again, I guess you could put any anthena wm6 rom on any anthena device.
Just curious as to why some say their HTC source says yes and some say No...
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Firstly i must say don't trust those website who says things without confirmation. I only post facts here, not assumption. It's not hard to assume that WM6 update will be available since they already announce the WM6 version of Advantage. Of course you can simply extract the Rom from X7501 to install on your X7500. But that is not what we call Official Update.
Second thing is HTC has never produce a Rom Update what so ever in the past, and it's very unlikely they will change as well. I have not been told there isn't WM6 update for X7500, but here is the thinking, if HTC has never produce update in the past, will they do it for x7500? If WM6 update is available for X7500, then what's the point of X7501? This is their way to make money, by lunching the same device (almost) with different OS.
Anyway, i once say again, 100% sure DOPOD will have WM6 Update, don't know about T-mobile, unlikely HTC will lunch WM6 update.
After all, if you want a black Advantage with WM6, wait for X7501 which is due out in summer.
I always thought that X7501 was geared towards US market and did not have tom tom installed. X7500 is EU specific release and as a seperate market releasing an update for WM5 for this device would not impact too much on US market..
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I always thought that X7501 was geared towards US market and did not have tom tom installed. X7500 is EU specific release and as a seperate market releasing an update for WM5 for this device would not impact too much on US market..
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both X7500 & X7501 is available in US market.
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both X7500 & X7501 is available in US market.
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Not precisely. The X7501 is meant for U.S. market and will be sold by Amazon.com. The X7500 is not intended for U.S. market, though, will be available for purchase as an import unlocked phone like so many previous HTC branded phones. I would expect the X7500 to receive a WM6 update, since the MAJORITY of buyers will should not be U.S. buyers, and the X7501 would not be locally available anyway. Just my thoughts.
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Not precisely. The X7501 is meant for U.S. market and will be sold by Amazon.com. The X7500 is not intended for U.S. market, though, will be available for purchase as an import unlocked phone like so many previous HTC branded phones. I would expect the X7500 to receive a WM6 update, since the MAJORITY of buyers will should not be U.S. buyers, and the X7501 would not be locally available anyway. Just my thoughts.
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if you go to HTC US website, you will find that X7500 will be available locally in US. And also, don't miss this important fact that HTC has never release any update for their device, and it's unlikely they will do so for x7500.
Too bad my contact in HTC can not confirm this.....
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if you go to HTC US website, you will find that X7500 will be available locally in US. And also, don't miss this important fact that HTC has never release any update for their device, and it's unlikely they will do so for x7500.
Too bad my contact in HTC can not confirm this.....
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Yes, I have gone to the American website, and under new products, the only Athena metioned is the X7501. The Avantage page only lists the X7501, as well. Can you link us to the page that shows where the X7500 will be distributed by HTC, themselves (in the U.S.) as the non american website shows in what countries (except US) where the products are sold? My understanding is that the X7501 will be the first HTC branded (not rebranded) phone marketed in the U.S. Feel free to corect me if I'm wrong on that one. Also this is why the X7500 will have a front facing camera, and the X7501 may not. There is no video conferencing infastructure by the cell companies (that I know of) in the U.S. in place as of yet.
I'm just not sure you're correct on this one. The X7500 is supposed to be European market, though as stated earlier, will most definitely be sold in the U.S. by the same companies that have always sold European market HTC phones here, like Mobileplanet, Mobilecityonline, dyamisim, etc...
Oh, and HTC should be releasing an updated ROM for the 8525 (hermes) this month or next (this one won't have WM6 though). Maybe thats not what you meant, though, since you're already aware of updated ROMs for the U1000, and possibly Ameo.
The reason no one liked to give updated OS's is because when WM5 appeared it really needed NAND based ROM. Though it could be used on a NOR based ROM device, the memory blocks had to be constantly arranged to keep from running out of memory, and it ate nearly 100% CPU about 50% of the time. Performance was terrible on the IPAQ HX4700 because of this, as I performed this upgrade when they released a WM5 upgrade for $50 (I'm not sure if anyone else ever offered one). WM6 is realy a SMALL upgrade in terms of an OS from WM5 and obviously won't need any new hardware. I'm using WM6 on my 8525, and other than a few new services, it is essentially the same as WM5 in day to day use. It does, however, have a much better remote terminal feature than WM5.
With the front camera being the difference, its unlikely, HTC won't release a ROM with WM6 on it for their $1500 device, especially since they will have one for the X7501, which would require next to no tweaking of the ROM to release for the X7500. I guess we can discuss it till the cows come home, so I suppose only time will tell. Anyway, I'm not going to wait for the X7501, and have already preordered one from Mobilecityonline. Hopefully it will be released in the next few weeks (I hope, I hope, I hope....)
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Yes, I have gone to the American website, and under new products, the only Athena metioned is the X7501. The Avantage page only lists the X7501, as well. Can you link us to the page that shows where the X7500 will be distributed by HTC, themselves (in the U.S.) as the non american website shows in what countries (except US) where the products are sold? My understanding is that the X7501 will be the first HTC branded (not rebranded) phone marketed in the U.S. Feel free to corect me if I'm wrong on that one. Also this is why the X7500 will have a front facing camera, and the X7501 may not. There is no video conferencing infastructure by the cell companies (that I know of) in the U.S. in place as of yet.
I'm just not sure you're correct on this one. The X7500 is supposed to be European market, though as stated earlier, will most definitely be sold in the U.S. by the same companies that have always sold European market HTC phones here, like Mobileplanet, Mobilecityonline, dyamisim, etc...
Oh, and HTC should be releasing an updated ROM for the 8525 (hermes) this month or next (this one won't have WM6 though). Maybe thats not what you meant, though, since you're already aware of updated ROMs for the U1000, and possibly Ameo.
The reason no one liked to give updated OS's is because when WM5 appeared it really needed NAND based ROM. Though it could be used on a NOR based ROM device, the memory blocks had to be constantly arranged to keep from running out of memory, and it ate nearly 100% CPU about 50% of the time. Performance was terrible on the IPAQ HX4700 because of this, as I performed this upgrade when they released a WM5 upgrade for $50 (I'm not sure if anyone else ever offered one). WM6 is realy a SMALL upgrade in terms of an OS from WM5 and obviously won't need any new hardware. I'm using WM6 on my 8525, and other than a few new services, it is essentially the same as WM5 in day to day use. It does, however, have a much better remote terminal feature than WM5.
With the front camera being the difference, its unlikely, HTC won't release a ROM with WM6 on it for their $1500 device, especially since they will have one for the X7501, which would require next to no tweaking of the ROM to release for the X7500. I guess we can discuss it till the cows come home, so I suppose only time will tell. Anyway, I'm not going to wait for the X7501, and have already preordered one from Mobilecityonline. Hopefully it will be released in the next few weeks (I hope, I hope, I hope....)
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I think some of your understanding might be correct, looks like i have got some info mix up. Yes when i say 7500 is available for US, i meant through company like mobileplanet. And i was looking at the wrong site as well, here is where both machine appear: http://www.htc.com/product/03-products.htm .
Once again, although i have contact in HTC, they can not tell me for sure whether they will release WM6 Update for x7500. I wasn't wrong that HTC has never produce and ROM Update before, the update you are getting for 8525 isn't produce by HTC. Advantage isn't the first phone branded only by HTC, there are others already, and they haven't receive any update what so ever yet.
I guess you are right, times will tell, (in summer). And it really isn't that much a big deal since DOPOD is for sure to have WM6, even X7500 don't have wm6 update, they can still flash the DOPOD rom.
Thanks for the link. I think its funny how they list under 'The following products are currently available from HTC'
HTC Shift
HTC Advantage x7500
HTC Advantage x7501
I wish!!!
In any case, I do look forward to hearing what you find out from your contact from HTC in the future. Thanks for all the info contributed.
Hi,
look here: http://egadgetdepot.com/catalog/pro...id=79&osCsid=4b25efdc909349321ada463643ec5be0 this X7500 is in stoke and in USA and the price is very good.
Do you think like me ?
haim said:
Hi,
look here: http://egadgetdepot.com/catalog/pro...id=79&osCsid=4b25efdc909349321ada463643ec5be0 this X7500 is in stoke and in USA and the price is very good.
Do you think like me ?
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btw, mobile planet's price is better
Thanks for the info:http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=145430 due 25/4.