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Just wanna give u guys this...

9100 is great, little big to carry around, but nice with w-lan and everything else. WM2005, didn´t like it in the beginning but now after 1 week I like it.. as all the other windows-based things u can do whatever u want
But now it´s confirmed, S200 is coming to sweden in the beginning of 2006. The size is like s100, s110 unbeatable......
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...obile-review.com/pda/review/htc-prophet.shtml

i want one. is this thing just a prototype or htc for sure is gonna make it? and i read it has wifi 802.11g could this be true?

The English version is also available:
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-prophet-en.shtml
Compare with Magician, the camera of Prophet has improved a lot. Added Wifi and EDGE but the CPU is changed to slower OMAP... :!:
I donno why HTC want to change CPU type. But this totally prevent existing Magician users from directly upgrade the ROM from WM2003SE to WM5 without buying new device... :roll:

fone_fanatic said:
i want one. is this thing just a prototype or htc for sure is gonna make it? and i read it has wifi 802.11g could this be true?
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yes. Built-in module Wi- fie of version g;

T Mobile
This device is already available with another name from T Mobile :lol:
But as said, OMAP OMAP OMAP
I will wait until next year for the new devices

How does this thing compare to the HTC Charmer aka T-Mobile MDA Compact II, which is supposed to be the WM2005 successor to Magician?
And Charmer should be available already from T-Mobile ;-)

As far as I know, the Charmer has no Wifi and no 2 MPix camera.
@ all
Don't forget: The Hermes is going to come out pretty soon (first half of next year they said).

Will magician ever be upgraded to WM5?any chances?

hi there
I know it's WM5 upgrade not available right now but I was just wondering that if it'll ever be possible that mini would be upgraded to WM5.Is it possible or mini doesn't meet the hardware requirements of WM5?your ideas?

Read the forums This was discussed all over the place!

However
You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
I get mine hopefully next week when I am over in China.

Nope, never, jamais, nunca, nie, никогда, nooit, ποτέ, mai.

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apple_power said:
You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
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I hope that you are aware that Magician and o2 atom are not only different devices, BUT ALSO FROM DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS.
I will not be so naive to hope for WM5 on Magician, instead I hope for a nice brandnew WM5 device under the christmas tree. This hope is more likely to become true

Oh, another one!
:mrgreen: :lol: BWAAA HAA HAA HAAA HAAAA HAAAA :lol: :mrgreen:
Sorry, but I find people who ask this funny!

Especially because WM5 is absolutely uninteresting. It has been very slow on almost any new devices and the "nomore backups" issue isn't important to most of us people since we know how to make good backups - don't we?

I think WM5 is interessting! Not because of the Backup-Options.
Look here:
http://mobile-review.com/pda/articles/wm2005-1-en.shtml
The Outlook Contacts for example are _much_ better in WM5.
You see the Contact's full name _and_ the numbers and calling is so much easier!

Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?

Stupy said:
Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?
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Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
Unfortunately WM5 on the Magician is almost impossible. Unofficial upgrades for other devices occured simply because M$ and/or carriers were testing the new OS on these devices and the ROM got leaked. Now that the testing is over who do you think will take his time and effort to develop this interface for free??? And that's providing he/she has the necessary resources.
At this point the only way to upgrade to WM5 is to sell your device and get a new one :-( I will probably go for the 02 XDA Atom or HTC Prophet fairly soon.
(btw, I really really hope someone proves me wrong )

look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?

nato said:
look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?
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No. How may times does it have to be said. Read the post immediately before yours. :roll:
It's not going to happen.

kta said:
Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
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Thanks kta for sorting that out. I just got the Mini, so it'll be a little while before I get the Atom - they don't sell too many of these types of phones here in Canada. No matter, I'll be happy with what I've got. Cheers!

Atom Life

Atom Life is in the market now! It is really attractive to me. However I heard ppl said that O2 wont do much about the ROM update and less ppl willing to custom make some ROMs for it too. That makes me thinking...is it worth to buy Atom Life? Should I wait for other brands release some devices with similar spec?
Sigh...maybe I should stick with my HP rw6828 and wait...

I have the same thoughts. I want the XDA Atom Life but I really want WM6, as far as I know the Atom Life isn't even realeased in Australia yet but it is very soon, around the 19/3/07 so it hasn't even been released and it has an old operating system, that would be like ordering a brand new computer and getting windows XP, it's that stupid and I really don't think O2 like to do any upgrades.
Does anyone think WM6 will be avaliable for this phone or even made for it by developers on this site??? I have an i-mate Jasjam and Jasjar and the differences between the amount of activity on those forum compared to the atom forum is massive, does anyone really buy the XDA Atoms, they say it was a big seller but the forums show differently.

seal,
Too late, i am already in the hole.
I have sold out my HP RW6828 and gotten the Atom Life last week. I am in HK and Atom Life was released in HK on Feb 28.
So far it is great! I am satisfied it more than my old RW6828.

Hello,
is the Phonepad for Atom (that you can find here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=262768) compatible with Atom Life? thanks!

I am not sure. I didn't install that program.

Would you mind trying to install it please?

I just got my atom life too, and i wasn't too worried about not being able to upgrade to WM6. New OS's take notoriously long before the majority of software become compatible. Just look at the time taken for most software to convert from 2003 to wm5. I am sure by that time most users would've changed a phone, or someone would've figured out how to install wm6 in atom life.

I just heard back from O2 and here's what they said.
"Dear Greg,
Thank you for contacting O2 Asia Technical Support.
With reference to the issue that you have raised below, as you have noted, currently released O2 devices run on Windows Mobile 5 operating system. Please be informed that O2 Asia is currently looking into the possibility of Windows Mobile 6.0 devices (no further news as of this moment).
We do value the feedback you have provided with us. We will attempt to relay it to the relevant department for review and future possible action. We thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Judith Taan
O2 Technical Support (Email)
Asia Pacific Region
SACODE: jutaan#
For full listing of retail outlets and information on the latest products,
please visit http://www.seeo2.com"
Once again no commitment. I tend to agree now with the above post, so many things still don't work with WM6 so I will stick to WM5 and skin it to look like Wm6.

Basically they say "we won't ever give you WM6 on already excisting devices, but in a while, when WM6 is starting to get stable, we may develop something that runs it". Atom Mark 4, I guess. And I totally agree, WM6 at the moment is far from leading edge. It's not even bleeding edge. It's moronic edge. Like WM5 when it came it's really only an Alpha system from what I have read in different tests. Like the original Atom. It took more than half a year from it came until it was truly a release version, not Alpha or Beta.

i allso don't think O2 will do it.. this is what i got from them.
Dear Ali,
Thank you for contacting O2 Asia Technical Support.
With regards to your query below, O2 Asia latest products (Xda Atom, Xda Zinc and Xda Stealth) are running on Windows Mobile 5, O2 Asia has not release any plans with regard to upgrading the Operating System of these product.
Should you require any further assistant, kindly reply to this email. Thank you.
Warmest Regards,
Yee Chan
O2 Technical Support (Email)
Asia Pacific Region
SACODE: cyee#
For full listing of retail outlets and information on the latest products information, please visit http://www.seeo2.com

Interesting with technical support personell who writes worse english than most Norwegian 16 year olds... Don't they have Word to spell and grammar check their mesages?

Couple of things I have yet to installed into my Atom Life.
1. Phone pad.
2. Portrait/Landscape view icon. I believe some PDAs have this feature for easy conversion of screen display by just tapping on the icon.
Actually, I installed Phone pad but apparently, it didn't seemed compatible as I believe it's for Atom Exec. Is it due to version difference? As for the Portrait/Landscape icon, is there a link here for the upload? Thanks!

TyTN vs Zinc - help me choose??

Hi Folks,
I need a bit of help choosing my next PDA, I've had loads of pocketPC, windows mobile devices inc. HP Jornada 548, Tosh 540, Dell X5, iPAQ hx4700 but this will be my first forage into "convergance" devices.
I was originaly tempted to upgrade my phone to the Orange UK version of the HTC TyTN but i'm now getting cold feed with all this talk of new devices due out, I know there are always newer and better just around the corner but I don't want to jump into a 12 month contract just to find a newer and better unit being available next week.
My dilema is this.....after seeing the specs for the O2 Zinc with the Xscale 520Mhz processor and seeing the benchmarks against the TyTN I'm now more inclinded to wait the for the release of this Zinc (26th March 07), however on my travels through the tinternet I have stumbled upon what I would consider my ideal device...the HTC Kaiser, does anybody have any ideas which network will be carring this device and when it will be released????
I'm fairly sure the overwelling opinion on the site will be for the TyTN but I just need to know what makes this device a "No Brainer" compaired to the O2 Zinc.
Cheers Jim

jb2001 said:
Hi Folks,
I need a bit of help choosing my next PDA, I've had loads of pocketPC, windows mobile devices inc. HP Jornada 548, Tosh 540, Dell X5, iPAQ hx4700 but this will be my first forage into "convergance" devices.
I was originaly tempted to upgrade my phone to the Orange UK version of the HTC TyTN but i'm now getting cold feed with all this talk of new devices due out, I know there are always newer and better just around the corner but I don't want to jump into a 12 month contract just to find a newer and better unit being available next week.
My dilema is this.....after seeing the specs for the O2 Zinc with the Xscale 520Mhz processor and seeing the benchmarks against the TyTN I'm now more inclinded to wait the for the release of this Zinc (26th March 07), however on my travels through the tinternet I have stumbled upon what I would consider my ideal device...the HTC Kaiser, does anybody have any ideas which network will be carring this device and when it will be released????
I'm fairly sure the overwelling opinion on the site will be for the TyTN but I just need to know what makes this device a "No Brainer" compaired to the O2 Zinc.
Cheers Jim
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Not really the answer you want, but my philosophy on life is, get the best you can today and not worry about what's out tomorrow... otherwise you'll never get anything because you'll always find that a month or so down the line something better will come out... so to say!
Otherwise, the Zinc does seem impressive... but O2 have already delayed the release once, so who's to say it will actually be out at the end of march anyway

True....Very True. The exception to that case was the iPAQ hx4700. which in my opinion is still one of the very best PDAs out there and its now 2 years old ???
I decided to hang back for the release of the Zinc hoping WM6 will be on it. have you tried flashing your rom to wm6??? if so did you have any problems setting the phone back up for T-Mobile??

jb2001 said:
True....Very True. The exception to that case was the iPAQ hx4700. which in my opinion is still one of the very best PDAs out there and its now 2 years old ???
I decided to hang back for the release of the Zinc hoping WM6 will be on it. have you tried flashing your rom to wm6??? if so did you have any problems setting the phone back up for T-Mobile??
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I'll agree with you on that... I used to have a hx4700 myself... it was the VGA aspect that appealed to me, but I felt it was before its time... oh, and slightly big!
I think the Zinc will have v5.2 on it???
I've flashed my MDA several times and can almost memorise the internet/mms settings that takes approx. 2 mins to put back in... its all good fun

You may never flash WM6 on a Zinc...

stewcp said:
I've flashed my MDA several times and can almost memorise the internet/mms settings that takes approx. 2 mins to put back in... its all good fun
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Yeah - similar case here. I flash frequently and I could probably set it all back up again the way I like it with my eyes closed Top tip: get CAB files for all your favourite apps (and any relevant serial numbers) and keep them in a folder on your storage card. That way you can even get all set up from a full reset with nothing but your phone.

Izzard-UK said:
Yeah - similar case here. I flash frequently and I could probably set it all back up again the way I like it with my eyes closed Top tip: get CAB files for all your favourite apps (and any relevant serial numbers) and keep them in a folder on your storage card. That way you can even get all set up from a full reset with nothing but your phone.
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Absolutly agree.... I kept all my CAB files on my SD card..Just incase.. but that was WM03se. Is there a HTC "official" rom update available for wm6...where did the wm6 roms come from?? oh and whats the best...

back to the original question,
I own a TYTN and ive had good test run with the Zinc, even though the Zinc has a faster OS the tytn feels faster and reacts better. The finish of the Zinc is a big cheap looking too.
If i was to buy a new phone today it would be the Tytn again, if i was to wait then it would be kaiser or even one of the new samsungs.

Cheers lads.....Just bought a TYTN - Orange SPV M3100 to be more precise.
Now whats the score with all these ROM upgrades.
and is there a today plugin simliar to the Orange today screen

Problem with O2 is the data charges. They're probably the worst out of all the UK networks!
I'd hate to get a phone like the Zinc or Kaiser and have to constantly monitor my data useage.

jb2001 said:
Cheers lads.....Just bought a TYTN - Orange SPV M3100 to be more precise.
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Excellent choice (in terms of looks - a very stylish design).
jb2001 said:
Now whats the score with all these ROM upgrades.
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That's far too big a question. You've got some reading to do - see the wiki

for the mods.. you can delete this message if you want...
i just want people warned specially in asia region that o2 zinc is not that good ..
although better processor ( but you will not see the difference compare to HTC hermes ),camera and o2 integrated software..
THere are many other choices on O2 products... Atom exec, atom life..etc..
Just not this is O2 Zinc is not worth recommending....
or im strongly recommending HTC HERMES (Dopod 838 pro, Softbank, or the HTC Tytn if available) if your fun of slide keyboard...
I promised you this will be a great help on you...
Trust me...
I just want you to be happy like me now..

HTC Real UMPC (HTC Shift) first hand picture !!

Hi guys, as you probably know by now, i have close relation with HTC, on the recent phone call with their senior engineer, i have been giving the first hand information about the first UMPC device of HTC !!!
It's call the HTC Shift, is uses the similar design as HTC Kaiser (i assume you guys have seen this device).
Here is the confirm spec:
7-inch touchscreen, 30GB hard drive, Tri-Band UMTS/HSDPA, Quad-Band GSM/GPRS/EDGE, Bluetooth 2.0, Wi-Fi, and Windows Vista.
I haven't got the chance to play with it yet, but my friend has and he says the key is very comfortable, fairly light weight. Built quality is very good, screen is amazing.
So when will be see this device? Well at the moment plan is for Q3, about the same time with Omni. So it's still quite a wait.
Below is a picture.
p.s. While i was posting this thread, i found out HTC has already post the info on their web! http://www.htc.com/
well, at least my post is still first hand in turns of spec

the ADVANTAGE in this site show that the name is X7501
and have WM6 PRO!!

banyas said:
the ADVANTAGE in this site show that the name is X7501
and have WM6 PRO!!
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btw that info is quite right, that is basically HTC X7500 with WM6. It's not available right now, but yes, Advantage will eventually be upgradeable to WM6.
I though that is not new to all you you. I have told you this quite a while ago

if so what about dopod u1000?
i put my order in expansys in hong-kong
and i am waiting for it.
do you think that the u1000 will ship with the WM6
already???

banyas said:
if so what about dopod u1000?
i put my order in expansys in hong-kong
and i am waiting for it.
do you think that the u1000 will ship with the WM6
already???
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none of the device is shipping use WM6 right now, the X7501 is just an announcement, it's not available now, but one thing you guys can be sure is once the WM6 rom is available, we can all flash it then

Will HTC Shift be available in Asia?
Hi wu5262,
Since you have a close relations with HTC, can you please check with them if and when this will be available in Asia?
It was mentioned on the announcement US and Europe...
Thanks

yankee said:
Hi wu5262,
Since you have a close relations with HTC, can you please check with them if and when this will be available in Asia?
It was mentioned on the announcement US and Europe...
Thanks
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they are not planning to release it in Asia, only in Europe and US. They are selling it all under DOPOD brand in Asia

wu5262 said:
they are not planning to release it in Asia, only in Europe and US. They are selling it all under DOPOD brand in Asia
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Sorry, quite confused..
Do you mean, the brand name HTC Shift will not be available in Asia but it will be marketed under the Dopod branding?
What's the project code name? (e.g HTC Athena aka HTC Advantage)

yankee said:
Sorry, quite confused..
Do you mean, the brand name HTC Shift will not be available in Asia but it will be marketed under the Dopod branding?
What's the project code name? (e.g HTC Athena aka HTC Advantage)
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Yes, it won't be available in Asia as HTC Shift, i will be DOPOD (something).
They might even not sell it in Asia at all for this device by the way.
The code name of HTC Shift is Shangri-La.
BTW a important message here for all you USA buyer. The HTC Advantage won't be available in USA until Summer, but when it's available, i will be call HTC X7501, so is there any different between x7501 and Advantage, yes!
X7501 will have WM6 in built! So it means official WM6 ROM will be available around Summer.
Please also note the European HTC Advantage will only have WM5 for now.

Wow interesting!!! thanks for info...

wu5262 said:
Yes, it won't be available in Asia as HTC Shift, i will be DOPOD (something).
They might even not sell it in Asia at all for this device by the way.
The code name of HTC Shift is Shangri-La.
BTW a important message here for all you USA buyer. The HTC Advantage won't be available in USA until Summer, but when it's available, i will be call HTC X7501, so is there any different between x7501 and Advantage, yes!
X7501 will have WM6 in built! So it means official WM6 ROM will be available around Summer.
Please also note the European HTC Advantage will only have WM5 for now.
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Thanks for the info...

According to the register, it will run vista, not windows mobile
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/27/htc_unveils_windows_vista_shift/

Excellent specifications but too big for me ! (19 x 13 x 3 cm) which makes it more than twice the size of my Alpine !

Zensunni said:
According to the register, it will run vista, not windows mobile
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/27/htc_unveils_windows_vista_shift/
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yes, it runs Vista, this thread got a bit off topic because people are more excited about the WM6 upgrade rather then the new HTC Shift
anyway, i agree the size is quite big, my friend has already test it, and he say basically UMPC and PPC are two completely different product,which i totally agree.
got so tired of people trying to compare Athena with UMPC, i don't care that Athena cost like a UMPC, it has it's own advantage. And i will never want to run XP or Vista on my Athena as well.

A video of it on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_IsK51P1vg

Does anyone have any informations as to when the HTC SHift may be available in the UK??
Many thanks
Bill

wu5262 said:
Yes, it won't be available in Asia as HTC Shift, i will be DOPOD (something).
They might even not sell it in Asia at all for this device by the way.
The code name of HTC Shift is Shangri-La.
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Are you sure wu?
Now DOPOD is joint with HTC, so no more DOPOD brand even on asia... you can check at their web: www.dopodasia.com now they become www.asia.htc.com
Even HTC touch avaiable in asia with HTC brand...
Can you confirm or correct me?

phone calls
was drooling over this and watching a few reviews on line reading up is it true it has no microphone? does that mean i need a bt headset to make calls or as suggested cant make calls at all. as why bother with both O/S's if you cant make calls????????????????

spzero said:
was drooling over this and watching a few reviews on line reading up is it true it has no microphone? does that mean i need a bt headset to make calls or as suggested cant make calls at all. as why bother with both O/S's if you cant make calls????????????????
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From what I have been able to find out, it does not have a microphone, and you DO need a bt headset to use the phone functions.
I believe that the dual o/s is stupid tho! It is only due to the fact that m$ has not figured out how to make Vista work right yet as a stand-alone o/s, much less add telephony to an already EXREMELY buggy o/s!!
Hope this helps........Later

spzero said:
was drooling over this and watching a few reviews on line reading up is it true it has no microphone? does that mean i need a bt headset to make calls or as suggested cant make calls at all. as why bother with both O/S's if you cant make calls????????????????
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Many people are reporting that the shift does not have voice telephony capability only data gsm/utms/3g...Unless using voip?
Man that would suck