Database Users

Please share your experience about using the Storage

I use the Storage to store some DLLs to save space. It works, not for all programs though.
Have tried installing programs to storage before (Journal Bar and Avantgo) but system seemed to be unstable afterwards.
Wonder if anyone has any good experience of storing and running other programs from Storage.
Also, has anyone tried installing the cab files from extended rom to Storage??? Is that possible at all???

RE
Yes, you can use Storage to store your cab files for the EXTROM.
BTW, program cab files for Storage and EXTROM are those that don't upgrade frequently otherwise you'll have to hard reset frequently too

Using Storage or Storage Cards should be avoided for anything on the today screen or anything which is bound to a hardware button. This is because the SD drivers take a little time to initialise when the device powers up and can result in files not being found - which can lead to small or big problems, depending on the nature of the 'missing' file.
This is why Pocket Plus cannot be installed in Storage any more and why Pocket Informant recommends installation into main memory. This is documented both by Spb Software House and WebIS.
I was beta testing SpbWeather and had some of the skins installed to Storage - whenever I used those skins, the plug-in was icon-less on power up, but main memory skins were fine.

As mentioned above, be careful selecting where to install Today Screen plug-ins.
As of the Storage, well I am not sure but I recommed you put in SMALL items in there since the storage becomes unstable at times because to OS may use a little of the Storage space to accomodate memory intensive applications like Adobe Acrobat. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand about it.

Mvmajorem said:
As mentioned above, be careful selecting where to install Today Screen plug-ins.
As of the Storage, well I am not sure but I recommed you put in SMALL items in there since the storage becomes unstable at times because to OS may use a little of the Storage space to accomodate memory intensive applications like Adobe Acrobat. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand about it.
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Ther is so little storage there, why not just ignore it and use SD memory, or main memory where required?

I use storage to store my wma ringtones... haven't have the guts to move the DLLs yet. with regards to this... if i create a folder named Windows in Storage and move all my DLLs there would I need to hack into the apps individually ang make them look at this folder... or will the OS automatically look at both folders? Some people say to use systempath to do this.

bnycastro said:
I use storage to store my wma ringtones... haven't have the guts to move the DLLs yet. with regards to this... if i create a folder named Windows in Storage and move all my DLLs there would I need to hack into the apps individually ang make them look at this folder... or will the OS automatically look at both folders? Some people say to use systempath to do this.
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As I know U have to hack the registry files of single appz to point in to storage folder instead in the main memory... :roll:
Regards,
Primoz

belfast-biker said:
Ther is so little storage there, why not just ignore it and use SD memory, or main memory where required?
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It's 10% of the device's memory, that's not insignificant and certainly not worth wasting. I store 13.2Mb of utilities and etc. in Storage so that it frees up the same amount of Main Memory but permits me to use them when swapping cards. I think it's a waste not to use it.

Into my Storage i have install :
Resco keyboard pro
Laplink controller
Handymenu
Hottbutton plus
Phone today
Today phone pro
VIto voice dialer
Used space for all this 3.21 mb
Free space 4.31 mb
I Don't have any problem at all, my JAM works smoothly & stable plus the today plugins run faster than ever...
Try with no doubt ...

New reg-hack: MemHack. Pre-Alpha.

I fiddled around with my wm6'd hx4700 (thanks kuzuhara!) and a registry editor and found a way to make it regard SD as ram and xip from it.
This renders my device to achieve usage smooth enough i allow myself to reffer to the device as a mini-umpc^_^
For SD only atm, miniSD may or may not work depending on your devices driver. No MMC for the time being.
I sooooo hope this isn't old news
Here's to me not ****ing any of your devices up, it worked wonders for me.
P.S
IMPORTANT!
Delete the Program Files folder and reset again once you see the SD's been renamed to Program Files2.
On the next boot it'll mount as Program Files and everything will load from it.
Excuse me, my brains are stuck in google translator mode
4.11.2007
It seems i was rather in the wrong and am taking a whole new direction.
One which involves reading more carefully before i charge head into the guts of windows embedded.
Will take me a while until next post, and it might become hx4700 exclusive, but i promise you some cool stuff to come yet.
Anybody wanting to make their SD into Program Files to save space,
just start resco reg editor and change hklm\System\StorageManager\Profiles\SDMemory\Folder: Program Files.
(Originally is SD Card).
You can also try messing with it, making it into diffenent sys folders, just be careful
Mine is currently application cache (Volatile) and [email protected] Files.
(Running sweet with what i got to with the enablement of complete graphics accelaration, except for a minor hang up when returning from sleep).
Sooooooooooo...
ONLY DOWNLOAD AND APPLY THE CURRENT PATCH IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR'E DOING AND WANT TO GIVE BEATING ME TO IT A SHOT!
I'm hoping for a next release in a day, but not necessarily of this project but of an off-chute.
BTW, is it just me or is WM real *nix like?^^

anyone tried this ?

ranasrule said:
anyone tried this ?
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Downloaded, but waiting to see what others think.
Want to know what it does to the SD card and device as the readme does say to move the devices contents of its program files folder to the sd card?????

downloaded it too. but i notice its his forst post.

Lol... it's my first post, sorry..
All it does is make the device call the card drive "Program Files" and set a swap file that's used as most device memory (don't worry, it's faster than most none-nand flash). i had to leave a small buffer in device memory though.
The memory file is unallocated, so just don't forget to leave 528MB free at all times.

Re-read the original post
It is and will be updated with periodic updates should they come.

I've been using it for 72 hours now.
It takes the odd reset to free up memory, but nothing worst than what we had before.

well if all thing got wrong.. anyway to revert it back?.. well ofcourse hard reset is one of it. uhmm.. lets put hardreset aside first..

well.. cant wait to test this.. i made a whole backup of my registry so if thing went wrong.. ill just restore the registry backup..

Good point doube_ofour.
Just export the StorageManager registry key before applying the changes, and if worst comes to worst restore your backed up original.

So, anybody else installed and can connect to tell the tale?

DuperMan said:
So, anybody else installed and can connect to tell the tale?
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I made a cab with the regs and installed it But I'm still experimenting .. Nothing bad happened so far how do i know the device is faster ?!! how did you measured your device's speed ?

So let me get this straight -- it will use the microSD in my TyTN as RAM -- the icky sticky stuff I run out of because internet explorer, pocket player, and spb mobile shell grab it all for themselves?
Is there any way to specify how much of the SD card is used as RAM -- since I don't really need 1 GB of RAM on my device.
I saw your post about 558 MB free but didn't quite understand it. You also said you need the odd softreset to free memory? but why would you need to free up a few MB when you have access to hundreds?
But thanks for sharing with the community -- if this really does work out well for us, that's pretty freaking amazing.

@DuperMan
Does this hack simply make our "Storage Card" transform into "Program Files"?.. Thats it?.. cant see any speed improvement.. besides my memory usage increased by that means my device will perform slow..
My "Program Memory and Storage Memory" Stays the same as 47mb total on both memory..

Exactly Ragart!
Only it's set to use miniSD, i think you'd have to mess with it a little to make it work on miniSD... if response is good i'll make a mini version.
Remember - It's only been tested on wm6 hx4700!

double_ofour said:
@DuperMan
Does this hack simply make our "Storage Card" transform into "Program Files"?.. Thats it?.. cant see any speed improvement.. besides my memory usage increased by that means my device will perform slow..
My "Program Memory and Storage Memory" Stays the same as 47mb total on both memory..
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in my case my program memory decreased by something around 10mb ! and I can't see any improvement in speed too ...

miniSD, hmm? Well that's the slightly-larger brother of my 1GB MicroSD. So I guess I'll just watch the thread and see others' reactions before I try anything (though I do have fullbackups)
Thanks for the quick response. So how much RAM does your hx4700 'have' now? and did you set it to 558 extra for a reason? Just curious questions from a person who doesn't understand the intricacies of reg editing

@doube_ofour:
Use it for a while, constant usage should be smoother. Did you free the space up by deleting the old Program Files as well?
Use it to surf for a while, multiple windows style, and you'll notice the difference.
Also, don't be mean to my hack Don't load it to spite, wait for each app to load and keep on starting apps without (majorly) worrying about a system crash.
@hma4:
The age old method of feel
It doesn't boost anything per say, but your device shouldn't be as compaction ridden as it was, so less mem degradation over time=more time between resets under heavy work loads. and i mean heavy. also, multi-tasking is MUCH more usable.

@ragart:
I set it to have a 512Mb paging area on the SD, plus 512kb in main for caching and another 16Mb for caching on SD, so that's a total of 528.5Mb overall mem, 16.5Mb cache and half a gig paging (good for them internet chaches etc..

i check on the registry that u have made in ur reg hack. seems like all the folders etc is the same even for a miniSD card ... so do u think it will work on miniSD too?

More memory for Storage...!

Hello All.
I installed on my Qtek 9090 a ROM WM6 in Spanish, everything works fine but when I see how little storage space is left and plenty of room for programs that I use, I wonder:
How can free up space or distribute the available space for storage and programs.
This is data:
Memory storage:
Total space 60.30MB, In Use 52.55MB, Free 7.5MB
Memory Program:
Total space 109.12MB, In Use 37.45MB, Free 71.67MB
What I want is to have more memory for storage, as I do this?
Or able to balance the memory as is done in WM2003.
Forgive but do not like taking a picture of the device.

Unistall programs that dont need speeds and install on Storage card, that way yu can save lots of memory space.

April 1 said:
Unistall programs that dont need speeds and install on Storage card, that way yu can save lots of memory space.
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It's not that easy. Every program I can install in the storage card, I try to do. I also changed my email and attachments to the storage card. Prior to syncing my email, I had 18MB and the PIM file was 11MB. 3/4 of the way through, I have 8MB left and the PIM file is 12MB.
After looking in every directory, I can't seem to find why 10MB of space was used. Further, you can't relocate the PIM file.
In WM2003, you can adjust the program and storage memory. You can't in WM6.

Try this...
Go see the second post here for what I do to keep the storage running with 12MB free and still install mad amounts of software!
Best advice is to read the bit about Pocket Mechanic - it'll help move most (not all) software to the card for you - changing all the reg entries and links for you!
And if it's speed you're after, try Pocket Hack Master from the same company!
But DO remember to backup with something like Spb Clone BEFORE you paly with these tools! Saves any embarrassment later
Bird

i think you may need ramdisk
look at the following thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382944

RAM and ROM on 8525?

Hi,
Previously i had a HP 6365.
and one could very easily choose if we wanted to increase the storage or program memory but moving a simple bar.
this is not present in 8525.
although it has 64MB RAM and 128MB ROM.
total storage shown is 44.77MB
and total program memory shown is 48.77MB (where is the rest??)
is there a way to adjust this??
because i have only 3.2MB of storage available and 19.5MB or program memory available, although i always store programs on the microSD.
pls. shed some light,
Thanku for reading and answering.
Regards.

That program memory is your Ram... If you could cut that down your Hermes would run A LOT slower... Use total commander or, if you have it, resco explorer to see whats in your program directory on the phone itself... Backup 1st, then cut and paste to the sd card and remake the shortcuts in the windows directory.. Please remember though that some programs NEED to be on the Hermes.
Also check in the My Documents directory. You should store as much on the sd card as possible but the default storage location is on the Hermes...
Moving as much off the device memory will give you more storage space, but remember, it is limited...
Cheers...

wow..
thats an excellent suggestion.
iam working on that advice.
also wanted to ask u one more thing.
my 8525 has 64MB RAM
then why is it that it only shows 48MB total under programs??
what i mean is shouldnt it be showing 64MB total available???
thanku very much for answering

No, because the OS is using some. Also the extra programs that were installed with the os use Ram too.
Cheers...

RAM?

Hi all,
i've looked for that here but couldn't find anything.
My TD2 shows always only 188.50MB Ram but it must have 288MB or not?
And the storage of My phone shows also only 305.49MB?
Why is that so? and does anybody have the same problem?
ANd do you know how to correct it...
Thanks..

blovesm said:
Hi all,
i've looked for that here but couldn't find anything.
My TD2 shows always only 188.50MB Ram but it must have 288MB or not?
And the storage of My phone shows also only 305.49MB?
Why is that so? and does anybody have the same problem?
ANd do you know how to correct it...
Thanks..
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I'm sure there is Windows Mobile and other software installed... That takes some place...
Also opened programs, even running in background, needs memory.
So, nothing wrong...

i thought like that, too. But there is a space of used Memory of about the half always there... SO that I have Max. only 100MB free. I thought that WM and eg Sense would use this 88MB so that I have 100MB free.
So where are My other 100MB?

blovesm said:
i thought like that, too. But there is a space of used Memory of about the half always there... SO that I have Max. only 100MB free. I thought that WM and eg Sense would use this 88MB so that I have 100MB free.
So where are My other 100MB?
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The moment that you have more than you need there is nothing to be worried about...
Maybe someone else can give you more details if it's so important for you.

Thats completely normal. No phones have all of their RAM free. Sense is a big hog, so if you turned that off, it would save you some. Then other things like pagepool and graphics memory take up a lot, too.

ok i understand that, but why doesn't it show than 100MB of 288MB is used?it only shows 100MB of 188MB.. thats whats annoying Me... Does it show the same on your td2?

no one there?

blovesm said:
ok i understand that, but why doesn't it show than 100MB of 288MB is used?it only shows 100MB of 188MB.. thats whats annoying Me... Does it show the same on your td2?
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Are you talking about Storage Memory or Program Memory?
Storage = 272.24MB & Program = 175.44MB on my device.
Hope you can finaly sleep well now...

thanks.
I am talking about program Memory.
is that your free Memory or your whole Memory?
Thank you very Much

blovesm said:
thanks.
I am talking about program Memory.
is that your free Memory or your whole Memory?
Thank you very Much
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my total program memory is 185.67MB
total storage is272.24MB

Sometimes when manufacturers give out specs for phones, they say total RAM and total accessible, and the TD2 has an accessible of around ~185 depending on ROM

There is confusion here so let's get the facts clear.
My Device info shows-
RAM size 288MB
Flash size 512 MB
Storage size 319.93MB
This is all total amounts of memory.
Then we have-
Storage memory
Total (as above) 319.93MB
In use 125.52MB
FREE 194.41MB
And the maths add up!
However, with all apps shut down, I get-
Program memory
Total 194.70MB (93.30MB less than the original RAM size above!)
In use 82.05
FREE 112.65
When the OS boots up it runs stuff that grabs the first 93.30MB of RAM for itself (at least in the case of my current ROM). This is very ROM dependent and 'lite' versions will use less than 'full fat' versions. If you have anything running and close it with say task manager then your available Program memory will increase. But, you can't close OS processes with such abandon. You'll get away with some, however, others will affect the functionality of the phone.
Storage memory is obviously where you install apps or store data/software of your choice. Anything run will then use available program memory in the same way as the OS processes.
What figures are other members getting?

thank you for your answer, you helped me. I thought that too. but what I still do't understand is:
However, with all apps shut down, I get-
Program memory
Total 194.70MB (93.30MB less than the original RAM size above!)
In use 82.05
FREE 112.65
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when the 93.30 MB is already used for the ROM and WM, for what are the 82.05MB used when you have closed all progs...
I don't get that.. I know that WM and the Roms have to use some Memory... but so Much? when we add all that, there are 175.35 MB already used, when I just start the phone...