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It's a few month that i'm using my jam and i'm trying every day to learn something new to get the best from it.
Anyway i see many people here discussing on deleting the ext rom and i still haven't understood why i should i delete it. I know that by deleting it you can allocate more memory to your storage (http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=20043) but won't you loose some features? I've always thought that ext rom contained custom region/operators settings. Am i wrong? Then again, won't i loose them if i delete the ext rom?
Any info would be very appreciated, thanks in advance. :idea:
What Features do u lose?
I Have done it and i have all the features i want...
georgexoasi said:
What Features do u lose?
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that's exaclty what i'd like to know... if it's there i belive it should do something.
george, do you have programs like truefax installed without the ext rom?
The ext_rom is filled with some provider customisation,
it has about 20mb.
If you delete this extended rom u will have more space
available for other use, for example storing today plugins etc.
You don't have to 'lose' the extended rom. The data on the extended rom is only used after a hard reset to install some software and some operator customization.
You can easily do this by hand. Either download an appropriate extrom from the FTP here or...
- First install the rom with extended rom included.
- use Loadvdisk.exe in the windows directory to show the extended rom
- copy all files from the extended rom to your sd card (or pc)
- install the rom without the extended rom
- now install any files from your extended rom backup you want.
Presto, more storage and still all the functionality.
Or even simpler down load watever you want from the FTP itself evrthing is there..
The extended Rom Files are there in this server under the norwegian Ext_ROM Folder
everything is clear now
thanks for explaination
Can I use the org autorun.exe file to execute all requested extended_rom pgm instead of instaill in one by one?
i've not tried it, but ur missing the whole point i dont want nything except the mms, phone pad and something else.. surely not everything
georgexoasi said:
i've not tried it, but ur missing the whole point i dont want nything except the mms, phone pad and something else.. surely not everything
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I'm curious if that would work as well. I wonder if the target install place would have to be modified. Of course that does kind of defeat the purpose, but even by installing all of the extended ROM, you should still end up with quite a bit more storage memory. My imate Jam 1.06 extended ROM install files are 8.5 megabytes. They could just as easily be kept on an SD card in case of a meltdown :shock:
In theory, that should still leave at least the original 7 meg (maybe more) plus the 8.5 meg (size of the extended ROM install files) free in the storage area for a grand total of 15.5 meg. (or more). Which still ain't bad for a fully loaded unit. Anybody abserve this?
Hi all,
I know that the Extended ROM for the HTC Universal can be "unlocked" so we can move files in and out and delete files in the Extended ROM, but can we actually convert the Extended ROM space in usable space?
Either by:
1) Resizing the Extended ROM and increasing the default ROM size.
OR
2) Installing programs directly into the Extended ROM itself and running it off from there without any problems.
Many thanks!
Hi there,
1.) nope, is not possible - size is fix for default ROM and extended ROM
2.) yup, works fine - instead of just installing to main memory or storage card you then have a third option usually called 'storage', so you have 10 MB more to install programs to.
Happy installing
Pat
Thought I read somewhere in this forum about the extended rom would slow the Jasjar down.
Is it true? I would love to get the 10Mb but hate to see it slow down again...
Based on what I know, it is TRUE that we can unlock the ExtROM, BUT we cannot use that free memory yet, as of now. That is why even if you delete the ExtROM you would not see an increase in your UNIVERSAL's memory. The only good thing with unlocking the Ext ROM in the UNIVERSAL is so we can customize the Ext ROM to our liking. It will not act the same as the built-in memory. You can't store and run applications from them. This is in the UNIVERSAL, please correct me if I am wrong. BUZZ and the others are still working on how to merge the freed-up memory on the Ext ROM so that we can use it.
i have apps installed into my extended rom and it works fine, i have some games and tcpmp in there, no issues whatso ever.
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i have apps installed into my extended rom and it works fine, i have some games and tcpmp in there, no issues whatso ever.
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WOW, how did you do it? How did you install apps in there?
copy cabs to sd, run them, choose extendedrom as the location, job done,
using buzz ext rom unlock and the reg keys to make it visible in the file system,
I agree with Carnivor - everything I installed on Extended ROM works fine.
I only faced performance issues when installing applications on storage card.
If Stanip read somewhere, 'extended rom would slow down Jasjar' -> Maybe the meaning was, that your Jasjar might be slow IF you did not install the software which came in the extended rom.
In my case I installed the software from extended rom (which is done automatically when first time staring the device), then moved all extended memory content to my storage card and enjoyed the 10 MB extra space to install programs.
Carnivor said:
copy cabs to sd, run them, choose extendedrom as the location, job done,
using buzz ext rom unlock and the reg keys to make it visible in the file system,
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Thanks, I guess I can try it the next time I perform a hard reset. What are your apps installed in the extension ROM. You mentioned that not all of them run smoothly from there?
Another question please, if I do install apps in the Ext ROM after running BUZZ unlocker and the registry tweak, does this mean the installed application survives a hard reset because it is now installed in the Ext ROM?
that is a good question, i imagine all will stay resident, but be hidden only needing the reg changes to make it visible again,
i dont really know, just assuming
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that is a good question, i imagine all will stay resident, but be hidden only needing the reg changes to make it visible again,
i dont really know, just assuming
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Thanks. I guess I'll try it now. This is the only thing I hate, another hard reset. Why didn't I read this thread sooner. AHhhhhhhhh!
I'm running in Extended_Rom all pluiggins that used "today". I'm running this for weeks and goes perfectly.
If you want see applications, goes to my blog (in my sign) to see it. (Sorry, only in spanish)
Regards.
Sagit said:
I'm running in Extended_Rom all pluiggins that used "today". I'm running this for weeks and goes perfectly.
If you want see applications, goes to my blog (in my sign) to see it. (Sorry, only in spanish)
Regards.
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I don't see clear advantages installing on the extended rom except if you try to install more programs that the limit of the memory for programs, is it ok?
Thanks for quick help guys. Just a few more quick questions.
- Where did I find the registry hack to make the Extended ROM visible? I take it that it will make it visible even on the normal File Explorer and Resco Explorer?
- Will existing backup programs backup/image the data on the Extended ROM?
beginner said:
Sagit said:
I'm running in Extended_Rom all pluiggins that used "today". I'm running this for weeks and goes perfectly.
If you want see applications, goes to my blog (in my sign) to see it. (Sorry, only in spanish)
Regards.
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I don't see clear advantages installing on the extended rom except if you try to install more programs that the limit of the memory for programs, is it ok?
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Also to leave more memory for exec programs and leave it running in background.
Regards
Can anyone confirm whether ext Rom is still available when battery becomes low?
Hey Ever1
just a quick question when you make the extended rom visible and install a software to run from the extended rom do you hidden the extended rom again or leave it visible.
If you leave it visible can you tell me how does the pda see the storage card has storage card or as storage card2.
Thank you
Gigino
i called my extended_rom ExtendedRom, else if you dont rename it you end up messy,
I leave it visible, it shows up in system stats that way
it shows up in resco as a chip based storage similar icon to the storage memory, but instead of the pda in the background behind the chip it has a folder behind the chip
I don't know how many times I wrote to this forum:
"DON'T INSTALL AND RUN APPLICATIONS FROM EXTENDED ROM"
because you can damage it. use storage card if you need more space.
Hello All,
Recently i have installed tom tom 5 with gb map and voices as well, but for some reason its slows down the magician, i guess the memory does'nt allow
heavy programs. All i want to know, may somehow i can upgrage ram or rom ? OR transfer whole tom tom into my sd card its 1 gb anyway. I copied tom tom cab files and
gb map plus voices in to sd card and run them from there, i thought its gonna be installed in sd but may be it did'nt.
Does anybody came with this experience before please let me know.
Regards .
Thanks
woolies said:
All i want to know, may somehow i can upgrage ram or rom ? OR transfer whole tom tom into my sd card its 1 gb anyway.
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You can do both. There are companies who offer to upgrade RAM from 64MB to 128MB. I had this done by a company in Germany (can't find the link right now), and there are others in other parts of the world.
However, you can also just move TomTom to your SD card, which is quite a bit cheaper
Plan A: It's been a while since I installed TomTom on my Magician, but I really think ActiveSync asked me if I want to install it to the default location. If you chose "no" there, you'll get a list of alternative locations, including the SD card (must be in the PocketPC at that time, of course). Maybe someone can confirm this - then all you'll have to do is to uninstall (from the PocketPC only, not from the PC), then re-install TomTom.
Plan B: If Plan A doesn't work, you can copy the .cab files to your PocketPC. But then, instead of just opening them, get cabinstl (http://www.s-k-tools.com/util.html). Run it once, and tick "associate cabinstl with CAB files". After that, you can just double-tap .cab files as usual, and cabinstl will appear. In the "Path" line, enter a directory on your SD card to extract the cab to it.
Additionally, there are a few other things you can try:
- there is a registry settings that contains the DLL path, i.e. a list of directories Windows Mobile will scan to find DLLs. If you add a directory on your SD card to that, you can move most of the big DLLs (not only TomTom's) to that directory. Use Resco Explorer for moving. If you don't want to da that manually, try MemMaid (http://www.dinarsoft.com), which can do that automatically.
Note: I found that moving Today Screen DLLs may cause problems, so you should leave them where they are.
- your Magician has more memory than you think. Try searching the forum for "Big Storage". This allows you to gain an internal flash area of 27 MB - large enough to install most programs there, which is exactly what I did.
Hope I could help you. My MDAc is as fast as ever, even with TomTom.
Cheers
Daniel
thanks
Thanks Daniel, really worked for me.
Regards
thanks
Thanks Daniel, really worked for me.
Regards
Hi there,
I made visible the extended ROM of M600 with registry tweaks seen in this forum. I dont use any of the programs on the extended ROM, coz I dont like my phone to be customised for my service provider. (I soft reseted while it was trying to customize after the hard reset).
Now I have a 10MB of Ext ROM on "My Device". My qustions are;
1) Is this Ext ROM just like another 10MB SD Card?
2) WOuld this space make the my handheld run faster? or can this be made available fot programme memory?
3) Is there any advantage of installing programmes on it compared to on th SD Card?
Currently I have about 3MB of Orange CAB files on it. None of them I use.
How can I use this space efficiently?
Thanks in advance for any comments
ps: Another thing I just remembered is that, after I made this Ext ROM visible, I cant save the camera pics to SD card. The options on the camera settings are to save it on Main Memory or Ext ROM! it doesnt recognise SD card! funny! Any way around?
Anyone please..?
I order:
1) Yes it is exactly like a 10MB SD card, you just can't remove it from the device. If you need to hard reset it will become hidden again but the data will not be lost.
2) No. Program memory is RAM and this is FLASH. You can only use it for storage.
3) It is mounted before the SD, so if you have an app that needs to run on start up, you can put it on the ext ROM but not the SD.
4) I suggest you move the Orange cabs to your PC. Having the i-mate variant I had 9MB filled with stuff out of which all I needed were Skype and Voice speed dial. Then use this space for the basic and most needed apps. Also some apps like TCPMP can be used with content from different SD cards so ext ROM would be a good place for them. I try to keep main memory free for outlook stuff.
5) Yea, the camera app only seems to recognize the first storage card it sees. Don't know about a fix for that.
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5) Yea, the camera app only seems to recognize the first storage card it sees. Don't know about a fix for that.
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Thank you very much, Levenum!
I finally understood a bunch of things about the ExtROM.
About this 5th point, I would add something.
The same identical problem raises when the \Network path created by Resco Explorer is shown on the main memory root.
The internal camera seems able to access only to the first two objects in the mountpoint list (you can see this list when installing some apps, as the dest options radio button)
So, question comes out: what about hiding ExtROM again after installing startup apps on it ?
I mean: are those apps still runnable, when staying on a hidden mountpoint ?
Thanks for any answer
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Sorry to butt in on this topic, but I have also been thinking of doing this.
I would just like to know though once the Extended Rom has been unlocked as described in many past posts, can you lock it again?
I am just asking this because, what happens if I have to return the phone? Surely messing with it would void any warranty?
I would need to restore the CABS back to Extended Rom, and then lock it before returning it.
Thanks
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So, question comes out: what about hiding ExtROM again after installing startup apps on it ?
I mean: are those apps still runnable, when staying on a hidden mountpoint ?
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Interesting, I never tried it. Perhaps if you don't change the MountHidden flag, but only the MountOrder.
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I would just like to know though once the Extended Rom has been unlocked as described in many past posts, can you lock it again?
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I don't know about other devices, but in case of the Prophet it's just a matter of changing back the registry values and soft resetting.
Thanks for that.
I have already backed up my Extended Rom, as Total Commander let me copy the CABS without unlocking the Extended Rom.
Orange has only added 1.95 MB which seems such a waste of vital memory.
I have heard that approx 10 MB is set aside for this. Is this set physically in manufacture by HTC? Can the extended Rom be merged into main memory like partitions can be merged on a PC?
Thanks
I read somwhere that removing things from the extended rom gives the device more storage available and shown int he memory part of settings. This however is not true, the extended rom is a seperate partition, full or empty the device will work the same.
I use mine to store the cabs of installs I use when I hard reset. Saves me copying them over each time.
Thanks very much Levenum and others who contributed. That was very informative and I am glad many others have benefited with this thread.
Cheers
One note:
I made a little experiment this Friday, which require a me to restore my Jamin to it's original state. (Hard reset + restore ext ROM).
I didn't check the CAB attributes when I copied them so even though the ext ROM was in it's original state all cabs that were used after first hard rest were deleted and didn't install after second hard reset.
So when restoring your ext ROM make sure you mark all CABs 'read only'.
I unlock ExtRom and put mein cab, edit config.txt.
But after HardReset mein cab didn't installiert.
I think, dieses cab need to signen.
Help me please signen mein cab or any cab theoretically.
you also need the modified autorun.exe, the config file isnt read by the default one.
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you also need the modified autorun.exe, the config file isnt read by the default one.
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dannyoneill, wie kann man das machen? :shock:
..Sorry, how kan das make?
See this thread for more info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=38957&highlight=autorun
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See this thread for more info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=38957&highlight=autorun
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I have renamed the file so:
my_file.cab -> Default_my_file.cab
All the same it is not installed!
There it is spoken about Wizard, i have O2 Xda Neo.
Where it is possible to take patched file Autorun.exe?
Can somebody to lay out it if it´s have?
Please, help me.
as the thread says, you cant just rename the file as it needs to be signed and designed for wm5 for it to isntall. To do your own cabs you need to have a special autorun.exe that reads a config file.
Hi Guys i own a imate JAMin that i bought and it has telstra branding on the phone/pda, it isnt locked to this carrier, but i need to get rid of there loaded stuff on the pda
what i need to know is a few things if possible please
1. is there a walk through somewhere on how to change the rom to a standard one
2. where can i download a new rom from
3. can i screw it up bad ?
any other help would be great
Thanks
t0ne
Easy, just download Total commander from http://www.ghisler.com/
Open it up and at the top type \Extended_Rom
This will show the contents of your extended rom, you will see loads of things but the ones you want are the cabs relating to your provider. Or all providers actually, Delete allt the cabs that dont start with Default_ these are what brand your device when you hard reset.
Now just hard reset, it will isntall all the normal stuff but will leave you with a brand free jamin.
Hi dannyoneill,
thanks for the program, only problem i have is how do i add the jamin to it so that i can see it and do what u r saying ?
thanks
You need to download and install Windows CE FS plug-in. You will then see a mobile device entry in the file window. I recommend dragging it to the toolbar so you will always have a button for convenient access (total commander can open files directly form the device).
Also I don't remember it now, but if you search this forum there is a registry tweak that will unhide your extended ROM so you can use it for extra storage space (and manipulate files in it using regular explorer both on device and PC). You can use the free PHM Registry editor to apply the tweak.
Just follow the instructions to install total commander onto your PPC. Make sure you click the link to the mobile version and not the desktop version.
thanks dannyoneill, got it working..
jsut a few other questions if u dont mind
im in the \Extended_Rom folder with the default stuff but the telstra stuff i want to get rid of has Default_Telstra_australia_SA_UN_V2.20.CAB and also Default_Australia_Telstra.CAB as the file names, will these be ok to delete still ?
thanks
Yes, you can delete them.
If you really want everything here is safe to delete. What it usually contains are patches like driver updates, applications like the backgammon, antivirus and Skype.
Below is taken from another post, its a little out of date but still good to see whats what. For me. I removed all the operators apart from my own (as it doesnt brand) plus got rid of backgammon, antivirus (totally useless on a PPC) and skype as the latest version is better (especially if you apply the registry fix to get it working)
Autorun.exe
Default_Backgammon_PPC_IMAM001.CAB >>> Backgammon
Default_CAAVPPC_IMEI_Wiz_range.CAB >>> THE DREADED ANTI VIRUS STUFF
Default_CAB-shortcut-CDL-08Sep05.CAB >>> Clearview PDF
Default_cdl_wwe_version.cab >>> Some Imate stuff (Harmless)
Default_ie_view.sa.cab >>> Some Imate stuff (Harmless)
Default_Imate_PPC_SA_V5.5.03.cab >>> Some Imate stuff (Harmless)
Default_SkypeForPocketPCnonxScale.CAB >>> SKYPE FOR NONE XSCALE !!!
Default_SmartDialing_enable_0915_signed.CAB >>> The pretty Dialer and smart-dialer stuff
Install_Tsk.exe >>> This Installs all the “Default_” Files
Setup.exe >>> This allows for Selection of the “Operator Settings”
These are the “Settings” which is not needed at least in the GULF STATES
KPN_Nederland.CAB
MTN_SouthAfrica.CAB
O2_UK_Contract.CAB
O2_UK_PAYG.CAB
Optus_Settings.CAB
Orange_Nederland.CAB
Orange_UK_Contract.CAB
Orange_UK_PAYG.CAB
T-Mobile_Nederland.CAB
T-Mobile_UK.CAB
Telfort_Nederland.CAB
TelstraClear_NZ.CAB
Telstra_Australia.CAB
Virgin_UK.CAB
Vodacom_SA_WAP1.2.CAB
Vodacom_SA_WAP2.0.CAB
Vodafone_AU.CAB
Vodafone_Nederland.CAB
Vodafone_NZ.CAB
Vodafone_UK_Contract.CAB
Vodafone_UK_PAYT.CA
I made a copy of all of the above to an SD card BEFORE DOING ANYTHING else (NoBackUp…learned his lesson……Harry Potter !!!)
So I Reduced my ER to Just
Autorun.exe
Default_Backgammon_PPC_IMAM001.CAB
Default_CAB-shortcut-CDL-08Sep05.CAB
Default_cdl_wwe_version.cab
Default_ie_view.sa.cab
Default_Imate_PPC_SA_V5.5.03.cab
Default_SkypeForPocketPCnonxScale.CAB
Install_Tsk.exe
Setup.exe
How just simply Delete !!!
Don’t forget to hard reset let the imate setup run (will not only install the stuff you did not delete) and try out your new toy.
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dannyoneill thanks heaps,
deleting those to files worked a treat
thanks again
t0ne
Poll for sticking this 3d!
THANKS !!!
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P.S.: may I install basic stuff to the ExtROM while it's hidden ?
Or, if I need to unhide it, install, then re-hide, will such software still playable ?
I mean for example:
- Total commander itself
- Resco explorer
- Storage tools
- Sprite Backup
- and so on...
Is it a strange idea ?
Thanks again for this illuminating thread.
You can unlock and install things no problem, not done it myself, done know if they will still be usable after its re-hidden i would think not.
The extended rom is reserved so empty or not its not going to give you more ram or rom storage at all. The best thing to do is unlock it and use it for storage. The annoying thing is if you hard reset you then have to re-unlock it.
t0ne said:
dannyoneill thanks heaps,
deleting those to files worked a treat
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BTW, on the i-mate website's JAMin support pages, you will find specific operator settings for Optus in a downloadable CAB file, which will setup the wireless settings for your device.