One thing I've been wondering about is where people got the notion that the Universal supports consumer IrDA. I've been checking the specsheets of the JasJar and the MDA Pro and none gives the impression that it actually contains that.
Also, no remote control application is bundled with either of these devices (something you would expect if it were present). As a last note, the infrared port (if it were consumer IR ready) is in an awkward position (facing the user when typing on the keyboard).
Am I missing something here (I'd love to be proven wrong)?
Best regards,
Sander
Hi Sander,
The JJ does have Consumer IR. I have used an application called Novii Remote (absolutely fantastic) and it has around 10m range! Very happy to see this integrated
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Hi Sander,
The JJ does have Consumer IR. I have used an application called Novii Remote (absolutely fantastic) and it has around 10m range! Very happy to see this integrated
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Now the question here is: is it Consumer IR modulated onto a FIR IrDA bearer? As you may or may not know, to run consumer IR you need to include a high-power IR-LED (the little bulb at the front of your average remote control) to gain enough power.
I'm thinking that this is what is happening, as I cannot think of any other reason why the vendors wouldn't list this as one of the features. Check their webpages out: not a single mention.
If the modulated ConsumerIR works with a 10m range, then I'm a happy camper as well, don't get me wrong. It just may prove slightly more finnicky with certain equipment.
I actually tried it with various electronics.
Most of the remote control softwares for the PPC have an option to "teach" the device to control your electronics. Thats exactly what i did. For those devices which were not on the list, i just used the "teach" function for eg. PS2 and so on...
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Hi all
Don't know how many of you guys are ipaq transferees like myself, but there is one piece of software on the ipaq that has not been adopted in the XDA series handhelds, namely REVO - the remote control tool.
Anybody into gadgets in the way that we are will have too many remote controls lying about. This tool allowed me to put them on a shelf, and use them very rarely.
So.....
Does anybody have a clue how to extract it from the ipaq ready to be placed on the XDA II. NAturally, owning both devices, one would assume that providing I use it with either one or the other, you can provide this useful information conscience clear!!!!
Look forward to any thoughts
JJ
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Does anybody have a clue how to extract it from the ipaq ready to be placed on the XDA II.
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Unfortunately, the Himalaya infrared hardware is not capable of communicating with customer devices like TV sets. There is nothing any software could do about this - only some hardware change can help.
Cheers
Daniel
Also some Ipaq's Irda are just very powerfull made..have a range of 10-15 meters.
Normally pda Irda's have a range of 2-3 meters.
not sure why the ir would be 100% incompatible with the tv
if special software written for it was used
about the range issue
http://www.smarthome.com/8220A.html
http://www.homeautomationnet.com/Shopping/remote-control-accessories.asp
http://www.pdawin.com/irtranceiver.html
suppose one of these would inc the range
i had
http://www.pdawin.com/
this software running on my xda1
too bad the range was only 30cm
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I am surprised that the range is so different between devices. I understood that the infra red transmit distance was usually further than the receive. Would this be applicable to the XDA II I wonder. I will run some experiments with a phone to see if I can assess distances.
Had a look at the PDA Win software, looks quite functional, perhaps not as slick as the built ipaq version. 30cm range... doh!
They seem to have specifically excluded the XDA II. I wonder if this is a range issue as you guys have suggested.
Hmmm......
Sounds like an excuse to spend money on a very very very posh do-all remote control!!!!!!!!! (LOL)
Thanks for your thoughts anyway.
Cheers guys
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not sure why the ir would be 100% incompatible with the tv if special software written for it was used
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Well, TVs use "consumer" infrared, while PDAs use "IrDA". See here for a more detailed explanation. It has nothing to do with the power or the range of the IR LEDs and phototransistors.
Cheers
Daniel
Well, TVs use "consumer" infrared, while PDAs use "IrDA". See here for a more detailed explanation. It has nothing to do with the power or the range of the IR LEDs and phototransistors.
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and yet i had pdawinøs software working ok on my xda1
and also used it to comm with my laptop so some infrared classify as
both IrDA and consumer
if the range is ok then the only difference i can think of is protocol and that should be possible to work out so that software would work on the xda2
i also had my trusting old hp48 calc working as a remote at a time
prob still have the software somewhere
Well, TVs use "consumer" infrared, while PDAs use "IrDA". See here for a more detailed explanation. It has nothing to do with the power or the range of the IR LEDs and phototransistors.
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I would have to side with Rudegar on this one, as I have not only used the Ipaq for several consumer devices but the extremely fundamental Palm III (aahhhh those were the days, when a calculator was considered to be a posh option.
I would say, however, that neither successfully worked with a sky remote, which I wonder may be due to two-way data transfer. I wonder if this is the IrDA vs Consumer difference.
I read the link to the Irda page, which as you suggest states that the two are different. I would agree that the two standards are different, but unless built-in hardware compatability is provided to the majority of pda's, there must be a way of emulating the consumer device within the IrDa protocols.
Hmmm... A little out of my depth on this one. Hopefully somebody else can explain!!
Cheers
JJ
The xda 1 I have works fine as a remote control for my tv and dvd etc, I use "learning2 mode to program the xda using the original remote handset. The xda 2 however is total crap as a remote, however if you wish to use it from one position, for instance the couch in your living room, there is a device called an infra red repeater, this allows you to operate an infra red device from a greater distance, I will see if I can find a name for manufacturer but I am sure this device exists, its selling point was enabling you to operate your cable/sattelite box from upstairs even when you had no line of sight to the box. It was a money saver because you could connect your cable/satellite to your upstairs tv instead of having to purchase a second box from the provider and be able to change channels from upstairs.
Guys,
I wouldlike to get inside the discusion because I have almost the same problem and I would like some help.
I also found the hard way that the XDA II does not work as a remote control, then I found this Total Remote software and module that really got myself impressed, I bought it and also the adaptor for the audio output.
Now I am able to output the signals without problem, the software works very fine and control the eletronic equipments without any problem.
But then I got to test the learning mode and then my problems started. The XDA II canot learn nothing! It wont recognize any kind of command that comes from any remote controler. To make sure it was not a problem of the software I tested to more diferent remote controler softwares and they also does not learn. What really make me disapointed is that even touching the controler IR led with the XDAII IRda port, the XDA II can´t learn anything.
I already tried to disable the "receive all incoming beans" and do a soft reset, but this also does not worked.
I am writing this in the hope I am forgetting something and one of you give me any more idea.
OR
To also ask for the more experts, if it is possible to substitute the IRda port with a common IR led found on any remote controler (of course doing some soldering). If there is compactibility between them, I think I will give it a go, since I really whant a remote control on my XDA II.
Thanks a lot
Felipe
thats what i've been saying all along
the xda2's ir modules is not the default ir module which all the remote software is written for
the remote applications would have to be written directly for the modules ir in the xda2 for it to work
i've come across no such applications as of yet
Has anyone used it as a Univeral Remote for other infrared devices like (TV, DVD Player)? What software did you use? Does the IR suck like the strength of the O2 XDA 2?
Peace
The IR on the Universal seems to be significantly more powerful than the XDA2. Ive used it with Novii Remote and it works at the same distance as a normal remote.
...the position of the IR port isnt ideal though
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...the position of the IR port isnt ideal though
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Agreed, not the most ideal of locations but, then again, I'm too preoccupied with the fact I can actually USE it at a distance to really care if it's a bit cumbersome!! :lol:
Ant
Is there any software which will do this on the Wizard?
Hey everyone! After searching on the forums and other sites for a long time i have came to a holt!
I'm looking for a IR remote control program for my T-Mobile MDA USA WM5 (WIZA200), and I have tried alot of programs... Lets see, so far no luck at all, most of the programs I downloaded install fine and I can run them but no IR ANYTHING! They can't seem to send or 'Learn' any of the IR signals.... So it makes me really frustrated, and I am wanting a program to control my home intertainment center..
If anyone could help with maybe supplying me with a download link or maybe one of the programs that have been 'modded' to run with theWizard then that would be awesome!
Thanks in advance, hope to hear a reply!
i dont think the hardware on the fone is capable to support the function you want....but im not 100% sure
hmm, can anybody confirm this, the wizard does have a IR port, and most of the programs installed and runned fine(other then it couldn't send or receive IR....)
Hi, I just remeber when I was reading some reviews about the wizard that a review had confirmed that:
The reviewer said that he could use the kjam as a remote controller for his TV and DVD player from almost any distance within his room.
I was happy, but I have some doubt with regard to (any distance), since I think that IR range is not enough to send for a 4 meters distance!
I really dont remember where I have read this but I am sure that I have read it, so I think that the wizard is capable of using IR as a remote control, but there is somehow a lack of software support for this issue.
good luck all
Hi, just a corrrection, may be I have mixed things up.
I searched for the topic on the internet and I found that it was talking about JASJAR, here what was exactly written:
"Originally Posted by Tekflow at http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=30449
This is one good surprise. I have been using Pocket PC Phones since the first O2 XDA, then XDA II, then i-mate PDA2, and none was really compatible with any TV remote control software (unless you sit at a distance of 1 meter from your TV!). But now everything changed with the Jasjar. The IRDA is so powerful: I am using it as a TV/DVD/VCR... remote control nearly from any distance (even with small obstacles between the TV and the Jasjar). I tried NoviiRemote and Total Remote: they both worked perfectly.
Good news!"
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the link is: http://forum2.mobile-review.com//archive/index.php/t-35506.html
but do you think that the IrDA port of the kjam is very different from JASJAR's?? I really need to know! tell us guys!!
As far as I know Novii is currently looking at the specifications of TI chip so that they could customise their famous Novii TV Remote to work with Wizard.
PPB
So I desided to write a little dilly about what remote programs don't work for the MDA! ( AKA: WIZA200 )!!
So it starts here!
#1 Vito Remote - Will not reconize the IR port! ( What a supprise! lol )
#2 Novii Remote - Don't even start with this one, nice interface though!
#3 Windows remote II ( I think...)
Feel free to add to this list! And if you find a IR remote program for the MDA then please fill us in!
Right now i'm testing Total Remote, but don't get your hopes up, it seems to lock-up when trying to train, but I'm not giving up yet because I might have some settings wrong!
BTW Bust I can't wait for Novii to get that done!
I only have a wallaby, but the hardware is just about the same, as far as the IR is concerned.
I'm not familiar enough with the newer devices, but I do know that the ir components in the wallaby/BA, and many other pda devices from that time period, are capable of being used as remotes, with the only real drawback being transmit distance (the hardware is not the same as a real remote controller).
I use pdawin's tv remote 5.5, and it works about 8 feet or so (about 3 meters). it learns and what not.....
another post I have read says that netremote from proximus also works..... good luck
i'm not sure about the jasjar, but keep in mind that consumer ir is what has a much longer distance
my clie worked really far away
i tried the jam's ir and it was 2 meters ish
haven't tried the wizard's ir for remote though
Hmm, see the thing with the Wizard is that I can't find a program that will reconize the IR port, it's not a distance problem.... So if anyone knows of a remote program for the Wizard, then that would be awesome!
don't bother
It's not worth your time. Both the jasjar and the wizard have FIR or Fast infared which means it will only transmit about 2.5 feet (if your lucky)away from the reciever. You need to find devices that use CIR or commercial infared. I'm pretty sure they don't make one in a minisd format so you will have to play the waiting game. Another way aroung this is to get a remote repeater and have your infred port right next ot it but that sucks also
It's not worth your time. Both the jasjar and the wizard have FIR or Fast infared which means it will only transmit about 2.5 feet (if your lucky)away from the reciever.
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It seems that JASJAR users are more lucky than u think, they got their remote control functioning from 'nearly any distance'
See my upper post and good luck
novii remote works fine
see this threwad for a similar discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43678&highlight=
just installed the novi 4.0 beta trial version and it works with my wiza200.
distance varies:
TV aprox. 3m
DVD (is on floor): 1.5 m
but TV is fine for me since the original remote broke into pieces and is just hold together with tesa.
wat is the best program out there that gives the best range for the hermes to control a tv set?
novii remote is decent from my experiences
If by "Range" you mean Distance - this is limited by the IR Hardware on the device.
Not a huge range on the TyTn. (About a foot on a clear day).
Now the Universal .... that's another matter all together.
That can change channels from the other side of a large room.
It can even switch TV's off in shops from the other side of the high street, and switch off the Plasma in the pub down the road (just before they score .
Ok - stretching the truth a smidge there, but it is very good.
If however you mean "Range" as in "The number of devices that it can control" then you are sorted as Novii Remote allows you to program your own codes by pointing the original remote at the PPC and learning the signal.
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wat is the best program out there that gives the best range for the hermes to control a tv set?
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use search you lazy wanabe, theres been stacks of topics on this in the last 2 months.
search and ye shall find
I read somewhere (ppc geeks or here) about someone working on an external accelerometer. Does anybody know if it worked? I've been doing research myself and I'm just not familiar with windows mobile and the way the vogue uses the USB port. Does winmo have "joystick" drivers? does anybody know if you can connect periphreals to the vogue/winmo?
NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN. There was a project trying to get a Wii remote to work with the Dell Axim but I don't think that went very far.
Actually, this is extremely plausible.
Sitting right here in the work lab, I have prefab prototype boards with accelerometers on them that output serial data, and a bluetooth prototype board that takes serial data and spits it over SPP bluetooth.
It's then just a matter of, in software, taking that data and converting it to the format that internal accelerometers would use, and putting it in the same place.
Just as a proof of concept, I took a pretty expensive inertial measurement unit (3 accelerometer axes, 3 gyroscope axes and 3 magnetic compass axes, built in SPP bluetooth module: worth about $500 - take that, iPhone users) and just paired that to my phone. It works and I get data streams off of it, but I have neither the time nor inclination (nor the necessary mobile development skills) to write software for it.
Cool! I was looking into something similar, albeit on a smaller budget. I'm going to ask around to codybear or some other experienced winmo programmer to see about getting some code written.
Well obviously an IMU well suited to flying a UAV isn't the best piece of equipment for this job, but if we strip it down to the really essential components
The bluetooth radio (I've got a list price of $34 for a single unit)
The sensor (I've got a 3-axis 1.2g sensitivity unit listed for $40)
A microcontroller to turn the analog output from the sensor into a useful TTL (serial) stream ($2 buys you one that's complete and total overkill for this)
Just add a custom PCB to mount it all to - I reckon we're only looking at a few square inches, a few extra components to deal with electrical supply, some ninja soldering skill, some microcontroller programming skillz, some smartphone programming skillz, and the whole thing could plausibly cost about $80 if you were only building one prototype (and etched the circuit board yourself)
Someone was working on this,
but scrapped the project because of something that made it not work and was really hard not to get it working. haha.
That sounds like I don't know what I'm talking about, but there was a big discussion I had with Whosdaman (I believe) at ppcgeeks, and he explained it in technical terms.
Short answer is, no.
It's possible, but you'd end up paying more for the item than just upgrading due to the time it takes to engineer the drivers for the phone, program for the phone to run it, etc etc.
Search at ppcgeeks and you should be able to find the conversation.