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Hey,
I know its the age old adage of "New devices always around the corner" but I'd really appreciate if you could help me with a buying decision.
I really love the I-mate Jam, it has all the features I need, and the lack of wireless is not a big deal as it hasn't really taken off that much in the UK yet, plus I will be out of my current contract this month.
But I have used a friend's O2 XDA IIs (I-Mate PDA-2K) and wasn't convinced about its useability/reliability as a phone. But on the other hand I would love to not have to carry about a pocket pc as well as a phone.
I guess when Magneto is launched, it will at least be a few months before the new devices come out, and even longer before UK networks adopt them. But I can't help but think that Magneto will improve the overall experience with these kind of devices.
So is it worth buying one now?
I guess you guys may be sick of this following question, so feel free not to answer it:
With the other HTC devices having had leaked upgrades in the past, and with the "alledged" existance of a leaked HTC Magician Magneto rom, do you think that there is a strong chance of a leaked final upgrade for the HTC Magician?
Despite its many needless problems, the Jam has been a success for HTC so its fair to say that HTC wil follow up with another device of this similar form factor ie "Jam 2". Magneto is definitley out this summer.
Xmas season is where all retailers make their money. Put two and two togehter and you are looking at a Jam 2 in November - it would have to be Magneto since no one would buy one with the current OS at that point. But I don't see a Jam 2 coming out before then. In fact, if the Jam continues to sell well, they may just hold off to spring. But I thnk they'd be smarter to build on the momentum they've got and release Jam 2 for Christmas gift season.
But its up to you really what its worth to you. As a Jam owner I think the device is full of pluses and minuses. If you dont NEED its PDA capabilities tthen you're best off waiting a couple of months, because honestly the phone portion of it is adequate at best, primitive at worst. If you just plain need one, well then you need one. If its that urgent, but the Jam now and recoup whatver you can by selling it when the Jam 2 comes out.
You cannot future proof any device. There will AWAYS be something around the corner to trump what you have in you hand. Just a fact.
Also may be worth your while to give a look at the newly announced Nokia Series 60 touchscreen phones (N90 N91 or whatever the model number is).
Thanks very much for the feedback and the votes.
I guess the thing that I have to bear in mind is that being in the UK, where the MDA compact has only just become available, although I imagine the I-Mate version has been around for a bit longer.
I really dont see there being an HTC Magician 2 been available in the time frame I intend to buy a phone. I mean at present it is just a rumour, and it seems to go like this.
Rumour to product launch = 2-3 months.
Product launch to general availability = 2-3 months.
Like you said christmas period, so this is not so much of a worry for me.
What would annoy me is if they continue to sell the HTC Magician BUT with Magneto, and arranging it so that there is no method of upgrading. Hopefully the chances of that happening are slim?
What does concern me is:
because honestly the phone portion of it is adequate at best, primitive at worst
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I've had a look around the forums, it seems to be mostly hardware problems, and that the software problems are fixable, can you elaborate?
I mean I currently have a Motorola V600 which drives me mad; poor phonebook, buttons on the side which consistenly switch the phone from silent to loud whilst in my pocket, and a earspeaker which keeps coming loose.
I mean the main things I want to use it for are as an in car MP3 player & Sat Nav with tomtom bluetooth gps, calendar to store constantly changing uni timetables, and to do list. Pocket PC Phones look good for me for the above reasons and because I can track my monthly contract use.
And magneto isnt going to affect me that much for my purposes I think, as WMP10 comes installed on the Jam. But it does look like magneto will improve phone functionality, which is why I'm curious to know if it is bad at the moment?
It sounds to me like you have just about talked yourself into getting a new Magician. I have had mine for 6 months now. My old phone was a SonyEricsson P800, when I bought it it was THE phone (for my needs anyway). I dropped my P800 in the lake (no lie), even though I got it working again, I decided to look into a replacement because I didn't really trust it anymore. My Jam has been great. As for the complaints, well you know how people love to complain. I haven't found any real faults with my Jam except that it won't activate MS Voice Command from the wired headset (which my P800 did). I use mine to the maximum and it hasn't let me down. I have a good friend that has one also and he only has one third party program which is Small Menu and he couldn't be happier with his Qtek S100. So the Magician works well as just a phone PDA and for Power Users too.
I wouldn't expect the masses to be getting their hands on a Jam2 until January 2006, and of course if you are one of the first to get one you will pay pay pay, like I did for mine. My friend paid 200 pounds less for his Qtek by waiting 3 months. Like you said, there is always a new phone coming, but the Jam is a real breakthrough product.
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What does concern me is:
because honestly the phone portion of it is adequate at best, primitive at worst
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I've had a look around the forums, it seems to be mostly hardware problems, and that the software problems are fixable, can you elaborate?.....
.....And magneto isnt going to affect me that much for my purposes I think, as WMP10 comes installed on the Jam. But it does look like magneto will improve phone functionality, which is why I'm curious to know if it is bad at the moment?
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Phonewise: Sound quality is not up to par. Most accept it because the device does so many other things in a small form factor. But it if was a pure phone with this level sound quality, I think many would toss it. I myself use a bluetooth headset to mitigate this problem. The "twaeks" don't really help - I'd sum it up as cheap hardware. Same goes for the camera BTW: 1.3MP should be a good simple camera but obvious cheap hardware is a letdown. My friends Nokia 6670 mades this Jam camera look stupid - and both are 1.3MP.
Phone software: Its okay, not stellar. Many buttons need to be resized for true thumb operation eg numbers, flight mode, message pop-ups. Its poor design if people have to pull out a stlus to navigate phone functions. Also text message ergonomics are very weak. Nothing I saw in Magneto really addressed these obvious problems.
So as I said, its probably the tidest physical sized PPC phone package and that is its plus. The tradeoff is the shortcuts (low-quality components) that were used to achieve the price point. HTC is not likely to change that and Ihave not seen anything in Magneto to address the OS shortcomings.
So honestly don't agonize too much. Just buy if you're buying. There is no magic bullet around the corner. When all is said and done, a Magneto powered Jam 2 probably only feature Wifi, 3g (or some similar thing) and larger ROM as its meaningful improvements. All the things that people like or dont like will be same on that device.
Thanks for all the feedback, I have gone ahead and ordered an MDA compact, on contract. For a good price. Just gonna wait till it gets here.
Call me impatient.... but I haven't heard any further details regarding the release of the Universal replacement.
A lot of the sites that reported the specs of the Omni were claiming that it was going to be released in early 2007... Now its almost April.
Has anyone else heard anything more concrete? Maybe this was just a false rumour?
Alternatively, I think if they release it too late and it isnt that "special" it will probably have a hard time competing with the newer VGA devices coming out by imate and the Toshiba G900.
Any comments???
I agree I want to know too !
I just hope there is a successor !
Got this feeling the Athena (HTC Advantage x7500) may be the replacement.
Well over a month later now. Something new somewhere already?
specs for OMNI are mostly rumours on the net & there is no hard evidence, but then again XDA Flame which expected 2 B release on Feb 2007...remains unknown..
p/s: it's not a Uni replacement though..Uni still remains... yeah...!
Well I was just wondering if it was still in the works. The rumours were so specific and the HTC Advanced and HTC Shift don't seem to fit the bill.
Ah well I'm still a couple of months away from contract renewal so I can wait I guess
I gave up waiting and got myself another universal as an upgrade.
My original universal had developed a fault.
The good thing is the Unis have really come down in price. I mean its still got fantastic specs, although only having UMTS as opposed to HSDPA is slightly date, but hey UMTS is still good. Loving the VGA screen on my Uni
I never quite understood the price of these machines. T-Mobile was selling them for 450 euro while the others were asking close to 1000 euro for their version.
I looked at the Ameo the other day and it does look great. The big screen is amazing. But then the whole thing is big and I just want the keyboard really attached.
I want a new and slightly improved Universal (more memory, faster, GPS, screen on outside)
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I want a new and slightly improved Universal (more memory, faster, GPS, screen on outside)
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I feel the same way. If I am to replace my Universal with something as big as this, the keyboard should be built-in in CLAMSHELL design.
Yeah those are all very reasonable upgrades that would make the Uni better. Add HSDPA/HSUPA and a slightly thinner profile and it would be a great upgrade.
Does anyone know any sales figures for HTC devices per model?
With the popularity of the Hermes, is it even worth their while to concentrate on this type of device when the slide out Hermes style is so much more popular?
The more advanced the device is, obviously the more R&D it requires hence costing more to make. Maybe they didnt make enough profit from the Universal.
Maybe the Omni was just vapourware talk to "test the waters"???
The biggest thing holding back the Universal from higher sales I would have to say is its least liked "feature"... the huge size of it. This would again cost more in R&D to try and make it a smaller size.
Not talking against or dissing the Universal as I would have one of these over a Hermes anyday, but may just be food for thought.
Any thoughts, objections or agreements?
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Well seeing how they are coming out with the Athena and the Shift they must see the market for bigger devices with phone capabilities.
The phones in thich niche cost a fortune and there is almost no competition. So they probably have quite a nice margin on them.
Yeah I think it was just the cost that put people off the Universal. It was way too expensive at launch, even if it was the top dog with all the features.
We all know that Athena is the successor of the Universal. But why is htcphonestore.com listing Universal still for $1100 and Athena for $1500? Why is there such a low price difference? Isn't there a major progress from Universal->Athena? Should the price of Universal now be $600 and Athena $1500?
What do you all think? Is the Universal almost as good as Athena? Maybe something else? Please give technical comments only!
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We all know that Athena is the successor of the Universal. But why is htcphonestore.com listing Universal still for $1100 and Athena for $1500? Why is there such a low price difference? Isn't there a major progress from Universal->Athena? Should the price of Universal now be $600 and Athena $1500?
What do you all think? Is the Universal almost as good as Athena? Maybe something else? Please give technical comments only!
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actually, Athena is not successor of Universal, the successor of Universal is call Omni, it will be out in Q3. Got this confirm from HTC a while ago now
HTC OMNI
wu5262 said:
actually, Athena is not successor of Universal, the successor of Universal is call Omni, it will be out in Q3. Got this confirm from HTC a while ago now
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Hai wu, excuse me for bit of out topic, but you said if Omni is the successor of Universal. SO is that device is exis?
If yes is there any confirmations about the specifications, is the screen real 800x600? If the Omni out you still hold your Athena or you'll change it?
Sorry for many question, but i like to buy a new device (Since I sold my Alpine, and being cheated coz I bought a refurbish of Universal) my budget is only about US $1200 for one device, so if I buy Athena I won't able to upgrade to omni again.
Any sugestion? I miss vibrate, keyboard backlit, earphone piece from athena, but overall how do you think?
Thank you in advanced...
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Hai wu, excuse me for bit of out topic, but you said if Omni is the successor of Universal. SO is that device is exis?
If yes is there any confirmations about the specifications, is the screen real 800x600? If the Omni out you still hold your Athena or you'll change it?
Sorry for many question, but i like to buy a new device (Since I sold my Alpine, and being cheated coz I bought a refurbish of Universal) my budget is only about US $1200 for one device, so if I buy Athena I won't able to upgrade to omni again.
Any sugestion? I miss vibrate, keyboard backlit, earphone piece from athena, but overall how do you think?
Thank you in advanced...
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there are a few thing i am sure of, first, OMNI does exist, it will be out in Q3, and yes screen is 800x600. i can not get other spec to be confirm so i would say it's a bit early to compare Athena and Omini right now. Anyway, i think it's likely i won't go to Omni because of the big screen of Athena, this will depend on people, but i feel like Athena is really suitable for me
Hmmm
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there are a few thing i am sure of, first, OMNI does exist, it will be out in Q3, and yes screen is 800x600. i can not get other spec to be confirm so i would say it's a bit early to compare Athena and Omini right now. Anyway, i think it's likely i won't go to Omni because of the big screen of Athena, this will depend on people, but i feel like Athena is really suitable for me
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Hmmm. Thanks... now I'm really confused.... Huffff wich one i would buy? Any sugestion?
What the reason so you feel if Athena suite to you?
Buy Athena / wait for omni/ buy Athena / wait for omni...
Still can't decided...
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Hmmm. Thanks... now I'm really confused.... Huffff wich one i would buy? Any sugestion?
What the reason so you feel if Athena suite to you?
Buy Athena / wait for omni/ buy Athena / wait for omni...
Still can't decided...
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if you want the big screen, then go for Athena. That's all i can say at this moment, because the spec of Omni is not confirm. One thing you can be sure of is it doesn't have 5 inch screen.
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if you want the big screen, then go for Athena. That's all i can say at this moment, because the spec of Omni is not confirm. One thing you can be sure of is it doesn't have 5 inch screen.
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Ok... Thanks I'll figure it out..
Athena is a sole device and is not a successor then.... So Omni is going to be way better than Universal. I guess I will now cancel my pre-order of Athena and look out for HTC Omni. I already knew that HTC Omni and HTC Kaiser and HTC Atermis and all these other devices are there. And O2 XDA Flame. O2 XDA Atom Exec versions. Well all these devices are coming. I suggest you wait. I will go for the HTC Omni if it has better spec's. I am going to cancel my pre-order on HTC Advantage. Why is HTC Athena also called HTC Advantage? That sounds really dumb to me! I am cancelling my Pre-order on HTC Advantage right away.
Please let me know when HTC Omni is expected. I dont have my Universal anymore but I found it as a lovely device that met most of my requirements. Now I want something that meets them all and I have a feeling that Omni is just it! ^^.. well if the specs of HTC Advantage > HTC Omni then I will not cancel my pre-order.
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Athena is a sole device and is not a successor then.... So Omni is going to be way better than Universal. I guess I will now cancel my pre-order of Athena and look out for HTC Omni. I already knew that HTC Omni and HTC Kaiser and HTC Atermis and all these other devices are there. And O2 XDA Flame. O2 XDA Atom Exec versions. Well all these devices are coming. I suggest you wait. I will go for the HTC Omni if it has better spec's. I am going to cancel my pre-order on HTC Advantage. Why is HTC Athena also called HTC Advantage? That sounds really dumb to me! I am cancelling my Pre-order on HTC Advantage right away.
Please let me know when HTC Omni is expected. I dont have my Universal anymore but I found it as a lovely device that met most of my requirements. Now I want something that meets them all and I have a feeling that Omni is just it! ^^.. well if the specs of HTC Advantage > HTC Omni then I will not cancel my pre-order.
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firstly, Omni is not going to be out until Q3, so that is at least 5 months waiting. Second, spec of Omni is not confirm yet, all i know for sure is it doesn't have a 5 inch screen. It all depends on what you are looking for. I enjoy my Athena and will not change to Omni because of the smaller screen.
So think carefully what you are really going to use the device for, then decide.
BTW, Athena is the code name of this device, this is a tradition of HTC, they always name their device with a code name when in development. e.g. HTC UNIVERSAL
Advantage is the actually name of the device when it hits market, just like the DOPOD U1000 and T-mobile Ameo.
It'a about you, and what you want from device.
I think wu right, bigger screen on athena...
1. No vibrate: use bluetooth vibrate headset
2. No keyboard backlit, i think i wouln't use at total dark room
I think the prices of both devices don't reflect their value in relation to each other, but in relation to the rest of the market. Both these devices are (still) the top-end of the market and the prices reflect that. The specs of a universal are still worth the kind of money asked, especially if you compare it to a low-end ppc. As to the price of the Athena, if HTC asks any more it will be too expensive for people to buy. The device would then be more expensive than a dedicated UMPC with windows xp.
Universal vs Athena?...You cannot be serious?!!?
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I think the prices of both devices don't reflect their value in relation to each other, but in relation to the rest of the market. Both these devices are (still) the top-end of the market and the prices reflect that. The specs of a universal are still worth the kind of money asked, especially if you compare it to a low-end ppc. As to the price of the Athena, if HTC asks any more it will be too expensive for people to buy. The device would then be more expensive than a dedicated UMPC with windows xp.
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It's not until you own an Athena do you get to appreciate the reason for its seemingly steep price.
The Universal screen, sharp as it is, is seriously lacking now that I have experienced the Athena.
Universal is underpowered comapred to Athena (not noticeable in normal useage - but try something like opening several web pages simultaneously while playing music in the background and answering phone calls!). The Athena can do this no problem...it's a beast of a powerhouse.
The build quality on the Athena is the best I have seen on any Wm device...Period. Solid.
Best screen.
Athena can be used for serious work and serious entertainment. Movies are a joy to watch on this thing. No game yet developed seems worthy enough for this screen.
USB host works beautifully with external USB HDD and full USB keyboard and scrolling functionality of a full USB Mouse.
TV-Out is first rate and so is it's implementation.
Try using Remote Desktop on a 2.8" or 3.5" screen...just not worth the trouble. Now try it on the Athena...Wu and some others can report the UMPC like experience of using Vista or XP Pro via the 5" Athena screen.
Did I mention that the Athena looks great on a 42" LCD or Plasma screen?
No denying it, the Universal was and still is a great device and was ahead of its time 18 months + ago.....but it is no match by any means for the HSDPA enabled heavyweight that the Athena is.
Do I love the Athena? Hell yeah...as far as materialistic gadgets go...this one is the nuts.
Beautifully put and I fully agree
It's a long story on why I sold off my X1. So I'm not going to bore you with the reason/story.
It was a great phone, probably one of the better ones in all the phones I own in the last few years (TouchPro, i780, Q9h, Treo500v, Dopod720, etc) but unfortunately I was disappointed and frustrated by Sony Ericsson's after sales service.
I was so fed up that I make the ultimatum earlier this week. I went ahead to buy Touch HD, a day before Touch Pro 2 was launched in my country. Nevertheless, it was a great phone, after I flashed Dutty's ROM (the first ROM customisation I had since my iPAQ days), and considering that it does not have keyboard, I'm happy for now (as I had always put keyboard as one of the key requirements when I scout for new phones)
So it's adious to Sony Ericsson. The new X2 looks promising, but I'm wary of SE's over-promise, under delivery, not in terms of product, but in terms of customer experience. I'm not sure if I would give X2 a chance when it arrives on our shore, maybe my geek personality would give in again but I'm not sure now. As for now, all my works regarding X1, e.g. Youtube, Navigator Panel, is now officially stopped, although unofficially, as you would probably have known, I have not done much in the last few months.
Bye!
Hope you will enjoy the new phone as much as you did with the X1. The Touch HD is also a cracking device so I'm sure you won't look back
Fortunately for me my phone's built is solid and have never had to use SE's after sale (touching wood!) and just flashed to Valkyrie's latest 6.5 ROM and I can't be happier.
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It's a long story on why I sold off my X1. So I'm not going to bore you with the reason/story.
It was a great phone, probably one of the better ones in all the phones I own in the last few years (TouchPro, i780, Q9h, Treo500v, Dopod720, etc) but unfortunately I was disappointed and frustrated by Sony Ericsson's after sales service.
I was so fed up that I make the ultimatum earlier this week. I went ahead to buy Touch HD, a day before Touch Pro 2 was launched in my country. Nevertheless, it was a great phone, after I flashed Dutty's ROM (the first ROM customisation I had since my iPAQ days), and considering that it does not have keyboard, I'm happy for now (as I had always put keyboard as one of the key requirements when I scout for new phones)
So it's adious to Sony Ericsson. The new X2 looks promising, but I'm wary of SE's over-promise, under delivery, not in terms of product, but in terms of customer experience. I'm not sure if I would give X2 a chance when it arrives on our shore, maybe my geek personality would give in again but I'm not sure now. As for now, all my works regarding X1, e.g. Youtube, Navigator Panel, is now officially stopped, although unofficially, as you would probably have known, I have not done much in the last few months.
Bye!
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Sorry to hear you're selling the X1. I don't post much, but I really appreciate your work.
As for the X2, I tend to think that SE will concentrate on better customer service because this time HTC will not be making the device for them. But of course we may lose a lot of the XDA forum support.
Please reconsider! The X2 looks like it will be an awesome device. A lot of people are complaining about the looks, but that's human nature, and the pics are far from definitive. The specs will be incredible. Can't wait for that OLED screen.
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It's a long story on why I sold off my X1. So I'm not going to bore you with the reason/story.
It was a great phone, probably one of the better ones in all the phones I own in the last few years (TouchPro, i780, Q9h, Treo500v, Dopod720, etc) but unfortunately I was disappointed and frustrated by Sony Ericsson's after sales service.
I was so fed up that I make the ultimatum earlier this week. I went ahead to buy Touch HD, a day before Touch Pro 2 was launched in my country. Nevertheless, it was a great phone, after I flashed Dutty's ROM (the first ROM customisation I had since my iPAQ days), and considering that it does not have keyboard, I'm happy for now (as I had always put keyboard as one of the key requirements when I scout for new phones)
So it's adious to Sony Ericsson. The new X2 looks promising, but I'm wary of SE's over-promise, under delivery, not in terms of product, but in terms of customer experience. I'm not sure if I would give X2 a chance when it arrives on our shore, maybe my geek personality would give in again but I'm not sure now. As for now, all my works regarding X1, e.g. Youtube, Navigator Panel, is now officially stopped, although unofficially, as you would probably have known, I have not done much in the last few months.
Bye!
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Goodbye and have fun. I want a Touch HD as well.
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Goodbye and have fun. I want a Touch HD as well.
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HD is a step back. I had one and it was pure garbage.
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...The X2 looks like it will be an awesome device. A lot of people are complaining about the looks, but that's human nature, and the pics are far from definitive. The specs will be incredible. Can't wait for that OLED screen.
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Off topic, but they said it'll be the [stupid] AM-OLED and not the OLED we've all been waiting for.
OLED has great visibility in sunny conditions while AMOLED's disadvantage is the visibility under the sun (you can't read the screen under the sun, just like the LCD of the X1) but it has a longer lifetime than classic OLEDs. So, no, there's not much to wait for the X2.
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HD is a step back. I had one and it was pure garbage.
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perhaps you have not played enough. stock HD couldn't match with stock Xperia. but the latest Dutty ROM with Rhodium package just rocks.
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Sorry to hear you're selling the X1. I don't post much, but I really appreciate your work.
As for the X2, I tend to think that SE will concentrate on better customer service because this time HTC will not be making the device for them. But of course we may lose a lot of the XDA forum support.
Please reconsider! The X2 looks like it will be an awesome device. A lot of people are complaining about the looks, but that's human nature, and the pics are far from definitive. The specs will be incredible. Can't wait for that OLED screen.
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well, SE claims that we will have better customer experience, part of the Xperiance pitch, when they launched X1. They under delivered so I'm not sure if I'm going to believe them again when X2 is out.
That said, it's not that HTC is any better, if only they outsource their support to XDA, or maybe they already have, thus the poor service level
I've only ever used mobile phones before.. Never been into the technology, so the whole firmware update thing never really concerned me too much..
Just read this on the htc legend forums..
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I think you are missing the point here. HTC are VERY slow at releasing updates for their phones. If they cared about their customers just a little bit more, all 2010 models would have Android 2.2 now. And yes, we expect updates to be released. Could well bee that updatet products are of no interess for you, but for others that have experienced HTC for years now, we are starting to be tired of all the delays.
It's a shame HTC have no real competition, the day they do you can be sure customers will not accept this **** any more.
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Suggests htc aren't really any better than SE!
So maybe things aren't so bad after all..
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Maybe its just that people love to hate. Still, we don't see htc missing deadlines do we..
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SE is not bad, they can't keep up with their promise. This is not the first time as same thing happened with X1 and X2 as far as I experienced it myself. SE is awesome but it could be even better, way more!
The difference is that pretty much all(?) HTC's are running at least 2.1 at this point, and increasingly more are getting 2.2. Also, HTC spends more time working on their software than on locking down the phone, so most(all?) phones can be flashed with custom ROMs.
HTC owners are mad about being behind in firmware, and SE owners are just mad about being slightly further behind...
i think they make great phones(hardware) but there programmes and programmers(software) is just plain bad, when our great dev team get us custom roms we'll have great software to go with our great hardware!
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Difference is that HTC are reasonably commited to providing up to date OS for their phones. Where as SE won't even commit to 2.2. We are over a year behind, HTC owners complain about being a month or two behind, HUGE difference. Additionally, HTC tend to have relatively easy to crack bootloaders or even provide unlocked bootloaders for some phones. Unlike SE, they don't invest time in perfecting the DRM and locking out the customer; same goldcard method has been available for years. They do JUST enough to cover their corporate butt, but don't go out of their way to stop you voiding your warranty. SE FOCUS on locking the customers out and retaining control of their hardware, PS/PSP made them very, very good at it; they are much better than Apple for example - put it this way, the iPhone is a more open device than our SE phones. I'm never buying another SE product again, in fact, the vineyard I work at was offerred a bunch of X10s by vodafone as upgrades for our staff; I made sure we went with iPhones instead. Ok, it was only six sales SE lost - but it made me feel a lot better. ;-)
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i think they make great phones(hardware) but there programmes and programmers(software) is just plain bad, when our great dev team get us custom roms we'll have great software to go with our great hardware!
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A) their programmers are actually very good, just that they are trying to stop us doing what we want.
B) The reality is, we may NEVER be able to get custom roms. There are formidable obstacles in our way and SE are very good at DRM. The dev community is very small compared to HTC, and miniscule compared to the number of people working on jailbreaking Apple's products
You do have a point.
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YES SE MAKE ME ANGRY
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Actually no, they are not bad at all. Just because they delayed an update doesnt make them bad. I had quite a few SE phones before this one and they were always amazing phones in their time like the w810 and k850i. SE phones are reliable and very well built with very good spec and features. I have always trusted SE phones and will continue to. A lot of the people here talk out of their ass, but just watch when SE come out with their next super device all those people that say never again im buying SE phone will be the first ones to get it. Its always like that. For a first android phone i think they did an amazing job. The phone is a machine, tough, stable, reliable with great spec and the best camera in the market. So my opinion is they are not bad at all.
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The best camera?
I dont get the point Have you ever compare the picture captured by x10 with an HD2 one? I dont think we are having the best camera fone on the market (smart phone only).
I like the design of x10, i like its specs also, but i dont like the software (OS) and the way SE treat their customers.
And with 65k color, my screen cannot show a perfect color of an widget, such as Power Widget ( it's look like was shown on a cheap mobile screen). Haiz
dundun1701 said:
And with 65k color, my screen cannot show a perfect color of an widget, such as Power Widget ( it's look like was shown on a cheap mobile screen). Haiz
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Why are you judging the screen quality based on a widget? Sometimes the graphics are of low quality. Try using SpringPad widget or Recodroid widget. They look perfect. ;-)
Seriously, half of you idiots actually realize this phone was announced september 09.
It was released like Jan or Feb. This phone is first targeting the Japanese audiences, not you americans nor europeans at first. I am pretty sure the japanese might have this phone a lot more early.
Now back to the point, why are you comparing to a phone that is already 1 years behind the competitiion. THIS is AN OLD PHONE.
Do you still get update on your w810 or whatever? NO, old phone don't update themselves. You either get a new phone to go with your little friends on their pursue for "greater numbers" or join Iphone community where no one will complain about thier OS.
Let SE does their own job, if you don't like the phone, for god saken, thrash it or sell it and do yourself a favor, buy a new phone. I am sick of reading thread every time i open this link to see more "SE sucks and such".
Are you guys like some 5 years old kids complaining about their toys not being the latest? Geez, get off the forum already.
From usability & build quality standpoint SE is not bad. The problem IMO is the x10 has a why the hell did they do that factor. Why the hell is SE taking so long to release 2.1? Why the hell is the 2.1 upgrade only supporting 65k colours instead of 16m? Why the hell did SE leave out MT hardware support? It doesn't matter if you find any of these features useful what does matter IMO is that SE's rivals have these features.
This is se's first android phone so they started with nothing. HTC's first androids were craptastic. But now that HTC have their software developed they can release 10 new phone a year and only have to adapt the software a little. Se will get better with their software it just takes time.
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