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SDIO Wi-Fi speed + multiple Bluetooth devices in parallel

Hi,
since 3 days I own a XDA2.
1)
I wanted to buy a SDIO wlan card but then I heard that SDIO only makes ~ 40kByte/s
Is that true?
How can I get more speed?
2)
I wanted to use a BT Headset and BT GPS at the same time.
Somebody told me, that wouldn't be possible (single-channel ?)
What is the truth?
P.S.: Does anybody get greater upload (PC->PDA with usbserial+ipaq modules) speeds than 400kbit under Linux?
Download is fine (4mbit)
Under windows I get ~ 4mbit in both directions.

C'mon, there must be someone with an SDIO Wlan card and an XDA II.

1)
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=528
here is a benchmark of the xda2 with sd speed and all
not sure if it's the SDIO interface itself that limit the speed but i dont think it is i havent seen any tests of the transfer rate of the sdIO wifi cards on the xda2 but i dont think it would be limited to the read / write speed of sd mem cards
http://www.ppcw.net/?itemid=1650
here is a test
even if it were linited to the speed of the read and write of the SD cards
then it would still be much faster then GRPS hands down

2)
Bluetooth GPS and Bluetooth Headset work at the same time with no problems. I have a Jabra BT250 headset and a Leadtek LR9537 Bluetooth GPS and I use them both together frequently with no problems.

Pope said:
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Bluetooth GPS and Bluetooth Headset work at the same time with no problems. I have a Jabra BT250 headset and a Leadtek LR9537 Bluetooth GPS and I use them both together frequently with no problems.
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Thanks for your reply. This is brillant news for me.
I was already a bit disappointed having bought that pda because of the transfer speed and the bluetooth single channel rumors.
But it seems like all these rumors wheren't true.

Hiii
XDA II Bluetooth Data transfer speed is aprox. 700Kbit/s
A bluetooth headphone... use under 20kbit to communicate...
a bluetooth GPS use aprox. 4800 - 9600baud (10kb/s)
SDIO-slot is a powerfull IO port with Very hight speed data transfer support. I think up to several Mbyte/s
That test about SD storage card in a SDIO doesn't ment that speed limits are the maximum rates for the SDIO, but only for SD storage card's.

Re: SDIO Wi-Fi speed + multiple Bluetooth devices in paralle
plasma said:
I wanted to buy a SDIO wlan card but then I heard that SDIO only makes ~ 40kByte/s
Is that true?
How can I get more speed?
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Allow me to quote my own post.
Today I bought said card and a first test gives ~ 480kbps
That's roughly 1/2 mbit which is quite sufficient in my eyes.
It's about the same I get via USB (with debug=1).

Qtek S100 or S110?

HI,
This is my first post as I have not yet purchased this device and needed some advice before buying. In fact I am contemplating between the Qtek s100 and the s110. I know that essentially the only difference is the upgraded memory from 64mb to 128mb and the colour. I was also told despite the fact that the 2 devices are identical (apart memory) the 128mb version runs a bit faster because of the added memory. Is this true?
I already have a 1Gb sd card and plan on using it for storage and installing programs. Will the extra memory come in handy once I start installing programs? I currently own a palm E2 and the programs in the Palm OS are pretty miniscule, in the pocket pc is it the same or will I need several mb per application? I did test out the s110 and it seemed to function pretty fast (compared to my E2) , I inserted my sd card and was able to view pics and video impressively quick with the installed beta player.
Another issue is the price. Here in Paris I am able to sign a 1 year contract with SFR and buy the s100 at a discount phone shop for 120Euros!! and the s110 for 180-200Euros. Is it worth the extra 60-80euros for the added memory? Perhaps it would be better to buy the s100 and with the extra cash invest it in a sdwifi card? Or wait altogether for a newer device such as the qtek 9100.
Also I read in another post that it may be possible to upgrade the m500 (orange) to windows mobile 5 in the future and if that being the case would the 128mb of ram be more usefull?
And is it quite easy to flash the unit to change the language from french to english if i decide in the future?
Other than that, what does everyone think of the magician? They just released the qtek 9100, with the sliding keypad but i dont see it being that great an avantage as it adds weight and maked the unit a bit thicker, taking away the advantage of it being a real portable unit. Included wifi obviously would be the biggest advantage, and of course mobile 5 (perhaps).
I know I've asked many questions here and appreciate any advice. I'm sure no matter what decision I make I wont really go wrong but just trying to invest in a tool that will at least meet my needs and stay current for at least a year before its outdated!!!! Thanks for any help and advice in advance!

The S110 is the better choice for sure. I use one myself and yes, the 128MB of Ram make live really easy - I installed everything (all programs I use and thats a lot) into Ram still have 40+MB free for program running. I would install into RAM for sure on a S110, on a S100 you may want to do it on a SD-Card but I would not do that if it can be avoided and it can with an S110 (wow that rhymes). Trust me, you WILL thank god for not thinking about every MB twice - the S110 with its 128MB can handle everyhting. Never ever would I choose a version with less RAM when one with more is avail.
The other device you're talking about is the K-Jam (iMate calles it this way). I would stay away, the keyboard is useless (at least to normal users) and it only has a 200MHz CPU!
Flashing the Magician (like S100 or S110) is pretty easy, the other one (9100) is based on another hardware platform (TI CPU instead of Intel one) the it will take a while for modded Roms to arrive.
Wifi can be added to the S110 using a SDcard, you dont wifi all the time don't you. I would never choose the 200MHz device with wifi over the 416MHz without given the fact that wifi is an easy addon, more CPU power is not.
WM5 will not likely come for S110 but who needs it? I dont get all the fuss about WM5. I used it on a HTC universal for a few hours and its not that special. The new storage (that uses stone-age-speed ROM) will make it slower in fact.

Thanks for your advice.
I figured it can never hurt to have more memory. I just wasnt sure if the ppc used as that much in terms of applications compared to the Palm os which is negligible.
May programs are less than a megabyte. I have more than half a dozen loaded on my palm E2 and still have space left on the paltry 32mb ram! Well wouldn't be the case with the magician.
I suppose the 128mb model (S110) also uses free space for caching, so if there is only 64mb vs 128 it would make a difference in performance. And the price difference of less than 100euros I guess is reasonable as its factory done.

Mogwai said:
I just wasnt sure if the ppc used as that much in terms of applications compared to the Palm os which is negligible.
May programs are less than a megabyte. I have more than half a dozen loaded on my palm E2 and still have space left on the paltry 32mb ram! Well wouldn't be the case with the magician.
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Don't forget that the OS on the Magician is from Micro$oft who are notorious for memory-hungry OSs and applications on ANY platform. :?
The more memory the better. :wink:

One thing to consider is battery life. How does the 110 compare with the 100? Keeping that extra RAM alive requires power, and that has to come from the battery.
Any 110 users care to comment?
With normal useage I get about 2.5 days on my XDA Mini...

Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
Hello Everybody, need some advice...
Am new to mobile/PDAs and am thinking of buying the S110 but want to wifi enable it as well as store MP3s/AACs too ...
Sandisk do a WiFi SD card with 256mb built in - has anybody used one of these or know whether its compatible. Web research suggests it is but it would be nice to know it works [and its failures] from someone already using this type of connectivity.
Thanks
K

This thread might help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=14560

Re: Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
Kean said:
Hello Everybody, need some advice...
Am new to mobile/PDAs and am thinking of buying the S110 but want to wifi enable it as well as store MP3s/AACs too ...
Sandisk do a WiFi SD card with 256mb built in - has anybody used one of these or know whether its compatible. Web research suggests it is but it would be nice to know it works [and its failures] from someone already using this type of connectivity.
Thanks
K
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AFAIK WiFi/256MB sdio cards work in magician (search this forum for more about it), anyway pls consider the following:
- Sandisk is NO MORE producing WiFi/256MB cards (however they can be still found in some e-stores or ebay)
- 256MB is too small for carrying MP3
- This card is more than 1cm longer than ordinary SD cards so it will jut out from the top of your magician: it'll ruin device's esthetics and, possibly, led to card breaking
- Next month many new wm 5.0 devices will be released, they'll offer integrated WiFi, more powerful camera, EDGE, radio FM, 128MB of storage and, of course, windows mobile 5.0. If i were u i'd wait for them to come.
- If u can't wait a month, then have a look at new Qtek 9100 a.k.a. I-Mate K-jam a.k.a. SPV M3000 a.k.a. HTC Wizard: it comes with integrated WiFi, WM 5.0 and qwerty keyboard.
- If u still want a Magician, then i think u should consider buying a S100 (instead of s110) thus saving about 100$. I have it and, as long as u move all installed programs to SD card or storage, i can assure u RAM is enough for any application (IMHO, of course)
Bye bye,
an Isidoro that's waiting eagerly for Prophet (or Athena) to be released!!!

Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
Thx Paul
so the bottom line is that its a bit of a lottery but the fact that SanDisk are pulling out of this market must mean its unlikely to get any better for the users, is that right?
K

Re: Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
risidoro said:
Kean said:
Hello Everybody, need some advice...
Am new to mobile/PDAs and am thinking of buying the S110 but want to wifi enable it as well as store MP3s/AACs too ...
Sandisk do a WiFi SD card with 256mb built in - has anybody used one of these or know whether its compatible. Web research suggests it is but it would be nice to know it works [and its failures] from someone already using this type of connectivity.
Thanks
K
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AFAIK WiFi/256MB sdio cards work in magician (search this forum for more about it), anyway pls consider the following:
- Sandisk is NO MORE producing WiFi/256MB cards (however they can be still found in some e-stores or ebay)
- 256MB is too small for carrying MP3
- This card is more than 1cm longer than ordinary SD cards so it will jut out from the top of your magician: it'll ruin device's esthetics and, possibly, led to card breaking
- Next month many new wm 5.0 devices will be released, they'll offer integrated WiFi, more powerful camera, EDGE, radio FM, 128MB of storage and, of course, windows mobile 5.0. If i were u i'd wait for them to come.
- If u can't wait a month, then have a look at new Qtek 9100 a.k.a. I-Mate K-jam a.k.a. SPV M3000 a.k.a. HTC Wizard: it comes with integrated WiFi, WM 5.0 and qwerty keyboard.
- If u still want a Magician, then i think u should consider buying a S100 (instead of s110) thus saving about 100$. I have it and, as long as u move all installed programs to SD card or storage, i can assure u RAM is enough for any application (IMHO, of course)
Bye bye,
an Isidoro that's waiting eagerly for Prophet (or Athena) to be released!!!
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all this makes sense. what I like about the S100/110 is its size - looks like I'll be waiting for the Prophet just like you.

Re: Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
Kean said:
all this makes sense. what I like about the S100/110 is its size - looks like I'll be waiting for the Prophet just like you.
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Let's hope it won't take too much then!
Bye bye,
Isidoro

Guys,
Here is a roadmap of HTC products for 2006.
http://www.mobigeeks.fr/stories.php?story=05/11/14/4058495
Unfortunately its in french but actually easy to follow.

I'm using the S110 now and had an MDAc before that and I must say that there is nearly no difference with keeping the 128MB RAM of the S110 alive opposed to the 64MB versions. I monitored that closely the last week and I must say the the difference is minimal, like getting 2-5% longer life with the 64MB version but the comfort of having more RAM than you'll prolly ever use makes more than up for that.
The thing with "waiting for the prohet": When the prophet is ready to launch there will be a new one in the pipeline that would be worth waiting for. There will always be a new/better one at the horizon and if you go that "I'll wait for that device" way you'll never buy one of them because you'll always look at the next model that appears better but is a few month away. That said I'm more than happy with my S110 (just bought the SpecTec Wifi and use it with the Socket driver and WiFi companion) and I'm loving it, I couldn't wish for more. Sure I miss the biometric feature of my old iPAQ 5455 but hey the S110 is great. Until the bring a S110 with fingerprint scanner I'm not interested. I dont need intergreated WiFi (the SpecTec makes up for that very well) and I dont need more CPU power (PHM can push the 416MHz up a noth if needed) and a keyboard (like KJam, I'm so used to Resco Keyboard Pro) and for sure I dont need WM5 (buggy slow OS in my view).
That said the S110 is perfect!!!

Re: Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
risidoro said:
Kean said:
Hello Everybody, need some advice...
Am new to mobile/PDAs and am thinking of buying the S110 but want to wifi enable it as well as store MP3s/AACs too ...
Sandisk do a WiFi SD card with 256mb built in - has anybody used one of these or know whether its compatible. Web research suggests it is but it would be nice to know it works [and its failures] from someone already using this type of connectivity.
Thanks
K
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AFAIK WiFi/256MB sdio cards work in magician (search this forum for more about it), anyway pls consider the following:
- Sandisk is NO MORE producing WiFi/256MB cards (however they can be still found in some e-stores or ebay)
- 256MB is too small for carrying MP3
- This card is more than 1cm longer than ordinary SD cards so it will jut out from the top of your magician: it'll ruin device's esthetics and, possibly, led to card breaking
- Next month many new wm 5.0 devices will be released, they'll offer integrated WiFi, more powerful camera, EDGE, radio FM, 128MB of storage and, of course, windows mobile 5.0. If i were u i'd wait for them to come.
- If u can't wait a month, then have a look at new Qtek 9100 a.k.a. I-Mate K-jam a.k.a. SPV M3000 a.k.a. HTC Wizard: it comes with integrated WiFi, WM 5.0 and qwerty keyboard.
- If u still want a Magician, then i think u should consider buying a S100 (instead of s110) thus saving about 100$. I have it and, as long as u move all installed programs to SD card or storage, i can assure u RAM is enough for any application (IMHO, of course)
Bye bye,
an Isidoro that's waiting eagerly for Prophet (or Athena) to be released!!!
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risidoro,
Which new devices are you talking about?
mogwai

Jam vs K-Jam....

Hi guys,
what's the big advantage of k-Jam vs Jam?
I've got the Jam and I'm thinking about changing it with the k-Jam but I don't know if there is a real and valid motivations (money/features)...
P.S: The EDGE it's the big advantage I'd like to have...

It is a preference...suggest you try the K-Jam out if possible. The K-Jam has a keyboard slide out but it adds a bit of fat to the JAM.
Operating system wise, K-JAM uses the latest Windows Mobile 5.0. Only thing is that WM5.0 is still very new and not all your WM2003 apps will run on it properly. WM5.0 is great for one handed navigation thus bridging the gap with current mobile phones like Nokia.
CPU wise, K-JAM uses the slower T1 OMAP 195MHz CPU compared to the JAM's 416MHz. But the T1 is dual-core (for dual processing) and has great battery life.
Memory wise, use of persistent storage in WM5.0 K-JAM means your files get stored in working ROM and not RAM so in a hard reset, you will not lose your precious files. Means also you get the full 64MB RAM for the system to use.
K-JAM has Wi-Fi and 2 external card slots, one normal SD and one mini-SD. Now depending on the distributor, one of those slots will be used for the Wi-Fi card so you will use the other for your storage needs.
To find out more about K-JAM, visit the Wizard forum

The Jam is more useful as phone, but WM5 is missing

Dont get KJam, my frd had it and I also play with it for a little over a week
The slowness and lagging really really will make you cry back to the normal Jam
WM5 is great tho, but if you want WM5 go get the ETen m600

Wait for the imate JAMIN if you're an imate fan. Otherwise get the Dopod 818 Pro

With the K-JAM, one of the reasons for the lag is the bundled software...I think getting rid of the AntiVirus should alleviate some speed issues.

The problem is, even when you get the software out and fine tune everything, its still very slow
But its not entirely the KJam fault, its the fact that no software in the market takes adventage of the OMAP cpu's power of taking more task per cpu cycle.... yet

K-JAM has Wi-Fi and 2 external card slots, one normal SD and one mini-SD. Now depending on the distributor, one of those slots will be used for the Wi-Fi card so you will use the other for your storage needs.
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I thought all variants only had a miniSD slot with Wifi 'built-in' ??

I thought all variants only had a miniSD slot with Wifi 'built-in' ??
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From the reviews I've read, in some countries, the Wizard comes with the Wi-Fi on miniSD card and in others, the Wizard is bundled with Wi-Fi SD card.
There is no built in Wi-Fi.

Dear JAMin users(Do you Recommend?)

I'm gonna buy a JAMin but I want to ask you as current uers if it's a good decision or not...I had PDA2K then XDA ii Mini..now I wanna buy JAMin but in some reivews the author is compaining about the Speed and CPU...
Do you Agree in Comparison with the Previous PPCs you had Propably?
Do you Recomend me to buy?...I have only about 24 hours left tomorrow i'm going to buy..
Regards :wink:

Well, I had the Jam before buying the Jamin. I use WiFi a lot, so for me the Jamin is perfect. There are some things that the Jam did faster and there are some things that the Jamin does faster....really. I have a little icon at the bottom of my screen that I have assigned to link to the Overclock application, which boosts it to around 240 to 260 mhz. I only use it for heavy apps. When my Jamin is overlclocked, it is just as fast if not faster than my Jam was performing most tasks.
Other things that are better about the Jamin, screen brightness and angle, camera is WAY WAY better, WiFi-obviously better than SD wifi card, email push for people with unlimited data contracts, WM5 which is better for a phone because of data safety reasons, extra buttons, better battery life, Skype and SJphone for VOIP works great-this never worked on my Jam using an SD wifi card.
Some things that are the same and better off that way, stylus, SD card, same battery, same small device footprint.

is it still worth to buy Win2003 Magician ?

hello guyz,
This is my first post here. I have a couple of questions from experienced PPC users . Please respond as early as possible. Thanks in Advance.
1) I am getting a very good deal for Magician(i-mate JAM). But i am confused wether to buy it or not. Is it still a good idea to buy a WM2003 PPC device OR should i wait for WM5 PPC devices to become cheaper. ( i might have to wait around1 year which is a loooong time... )
2) Are people still writing softwares for PPC WM2003 devices? or the majority has moved to writing softwares for WM5 ?
3) Right now which windows have more softwares available. WM2003 or WM5?
4) If i purchase softwares written for WM2003, will these softwares run on PPC WM5 device?
5) Finally i need some nice websites for free or paid softwares for PPC. ( you can PM me if you are not allowed to post websites links here)

The magician is a great device and, if you don't need integrated Wifi, still the best compact PPC you can get.
WM2003 in general has some advantages over WM5: It is usually faster and has less bugs. WM5 only offers better one hand use and no data loss when battery is down. The latter can be compensated for WM2003 with using good backup software (sprite backup) and the internal backup battery of the magician. I never had data loss because of this.
Get the magician for a good price. You won't regret. Really advanced devices are still to come. Maybe the Hermes will beat the Magician but it will definitely be more expensive at that time.
Regarding the software question: I haven't seen any software which only works on WM5 and not WM2003 but I have seen many softwares not supporting WM5 yet but WM2003. Most softwares are even still backwards compatible to WM2002. You can compare this to the desktop world. Most programs can still be run under Windows 98.

I recommend to get the imate Jam with 128Mb RAM if possible
Get the imate JAM if you do not have a wi-fi network at home

I fully agree Dandie's comment. I tried my friend's O2 Atom for a week (he need me to install softwares for him) and I still prefer my Magician as my working/entertaining machine.
Pro: Cheaper, more responsive and faster (media will have jitter sometime on the Atom if running GPS together), more softwares are available to 2003SE than WM5
Con: No wifi (not a problem to me since I can BT over Activesyn at home), Bad Camera.
Unless there is a very good deal. I never see the need to upgrade to 128mb if U know how to manage the RAM use. (I always run TomTom 5/IGuidance 2/TCPMP together without any problem.)

Unfortunately WM5 is the way of the future, but it's unlikely you'll encounter software that won't work on WM5 and WM2003 (since both can use .net, the "new" developers environment).
I still use my Magician as my main phone, although I'm upgrading in a few weeks and it'll have to be a WM5 phone, probably a Mio 702. WM5 adds some usability features, but not enough to turn my head IMHO.
If you're getting a good deal on a Magician, I'd certainly consider it. I'll be holding on to mine for a good while yet.
Oh, and I recommend using VJLumos II. It really brightens up the Magician screen, gives it a new lease of life.
V

I agree with V the magician still is a wonderful device & when you don't want to wait for the devices that sports hsdpa you can have loads of fun with it.
Like stated earlier TCPMP for video, Mortplayer for audio. Lots of games & other goodies. AEButton Plus for one-handed in combi wit ... VJKeyPress.
Make sure you got a good deal & enjoy it.
M

WM2003 also means no bluetooth A2DP, at least not from anything other than WMP, and even then with some odd bitrate and sample rate restrictions.
Also, I don't know about you guys, but getting stereo sound out of the magician at the same time as using an external mic is a goddam pain. Every handsfree kit I try with a mic will only play sound in the left ear.
Personally, I'd go for a Wizard (or even a Hermes <3 ). It's only a bit bigger, but has WM5, WiFi /and/ a keyboard. Now, if only Orange carried it in the UK... >.<

I've got a Wizard. It's the 3rd one in 5 months and it locks up nearly every day but a soft reset sorts it out and it fails to recognise the memory card 2-4 times a day (a known wizard issue) If you dont need the wi-fi stick with the Jam NEVER had a problem with mine. As for the wizards keyboard..I use the on screen one it's quicker.
For stereo headphones with mic try the SE P900/910 headphones they work brilliantly!

bobgorila said:
WM2003 also means no bluetooth A2DP, at least not from anything other than WMP, and even then with some odd bitrate and sample rate restrictions.
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Maybe just the O2 Atom and my stereo headset, the quality of BT A2DP is just a joke for me.
bobgorila said:
Also, I don't know about you guys, but getting stereo sound out of the magician at the same time as using an external mic is a goddam pain. Every handsfree kit I try with a mic will only play sound in the left ear.
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It's just U. I use my Sony headphone (with shorter cable) with this 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter w/ external mic. And it just work GREAT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...PageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT

Mine can be bought here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9725172095
I upgraded to the Prophet. 8)
This is the second listing on eBay. The first one got hit by a nigerian scammer. :roll: Now I've had to specify UK only and PayPal only.

thank you for your comments guyz
i have bought the magician device. So far i am pretty happy with it.

Join the club, did you got a nice offer?
M

i think i did get a good offer
i got imate jam (scratchless screen) + alumunium case + 128Mb kingston SD card for 19000Rs ( 316$ )

Seems like a fair price to me. Did you search the other threads for goodies & tips?
M

Both magician and mini are great device.
Wifi? sandick sdio wifi card with 256m storage is available in a reasonable price now. BT & MINI CABLE could bring with most functions you need.
In my point of view, never try detailed camera in PDA.
So, congradulation you with a desirable product.

navid_ahmed said:
i think i did get a good offer
i got imate jam (scratchless screen) + alumunium case + 128Mb kingston SD card for 19000Rs ( 316$ )
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where did u get it so cheap......i bought it for 24000rs with no accessory

jackleung said:
It's just U. I use my Sony headphone (with shorter cable) with this 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter w/ external mic. And it just work GREAT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...PageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT
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Mine arrived this morning, it works, it works!!!
Thankyou.