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what is the difference between\main storage \ RAMdisk \ storage card to the ends of installing programs and it asking which i want to install too.
also what does it mean in the main memory settings screen how it is split between STORAGE and PROGRAM.
any pointers or links to explain a little i would be greatly thankfull
i,m running a xda II HIMALAYA
ramdisk is application mem taking away to make a virtuel disk this will be faster but lost at hardreset limited in size
main storage is flash storage on the device this is slower then ramdisk but will make it pass a hardreset limited in size
sd is slower but can be replaces
thankyou! a bit of knowledge can seem so easy to people who are not noobs like me.
i will get there in the end!
Hello
I've recently flashed [Rom]Google Edition galaxy S4 rom for i9505 [27 June] [Pure Nexus Experience] onto my S4. After following all the instructions it's working fine. Except the internal storage size is still 9.25GB with 8.18GB allocated. I would have thought that removing the stock ROM would have freed the internal storage space?
Cheers.
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UrbanNZ said:
Hello
I've recently flashed [Rom]Google Edition galaxy S4 rom for i9505 [27 June] [Pure Nexus Experience] onto my S4. After following all the instructions it's working fine. Except the internal storage size is still 9.25GB with 8.18GB allocated. I would have thought that removing the stock ROM would have freed the internal storage space?
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I think you answered your own question, "allocated" means "reserved" so in other words even if you
did not have any rom flashed/installed at all the phone would still allocate/reserve the 8.18GB space
which cannot be used for normal storage.
Good luck!
Thanks for your reply. It's a bit of a bummer though, is there no way to release the total storage size of the phones internal memory for user allocation ? Would it be something the developers could work on. But then I guess it comes back to the old saying, just get an SD Card.
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Thanks for your reply. It's a bit of a bummer though, is there no way to release the total storage size of the phones internal memory for user allocation ? Would it be something the developers could work on. But then I guess it comes back to the old saying, just get an SD Card.
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I doubt that any of the devs could increase the user usable space on the internal sdcard.
But even if they increased it by 1GB or 2GB no one including you would be satisfied with
that for more than a few minutes anyway.
The external sdcards are really not that expensive and spending $20-30 bucks on
32GB sdcard for a device which cost over $650 is not that big of a deal.
I would think the actual GS4GE has a different pit file.
actually i thought it would free up internal storage after flashing cm10.1...
I already flashed and indeed its still the same space as TW.. puzzling..
mgear356 said:
actually i thought it would free up internal storage after flashing cm10.1...
I already flashed and indeed its still the same space as TW.. puzzling..
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People have answered this many times. The size of storage you get will not increase unless Samsung changes the partition size.
repartition
isn't possible to re-partition. I am sure samsung had a good reason to book 6 GB for OS. but stock edition will not need all this space! i would say maybe not more than 3.
so cant we repartition the reserved to achieve usuable of 13GB?
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isn't possible to re-partition. I am sure samsung had a good reason to book 6 GB for OS. but stock edition will not need all this space! i would say maybe not more than 3.
so cant we repartition the reserved to achieve usuable of 13GB?
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Yes you can but its very risky. See below
Skipjacks said:
In order to partition that internal memory you have to wipe it. And that means everything. System, recovery, download mode, boot loader, everything.
The connection with Odin or adb at this point would be totally housed in RAM. It would need to maintain that connection in order to complete the task of adding the new partition, adding the download mode back, adding recovery, and finally the ROM itself.
If the phone lost its connection during that process or lost power or the update process got pushed out of ram for any reason the phone would be hard bricked as there would be no way to reestablish communication with it to restart the process. You couldn't power it on or boot it to anything. It would be a $600 paper weight.
Meanwhile the alternative option is to just go buy an $8 external 16gb SD card or a $20 external 32gb SD card. That carries no risk whatsoever and expands your phone's storage well beyond the original 9gb of usable space you started with.
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Yes you can but its very risky. See below
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thanks for the info. but i dont see why i would lost power during the process or anything like that. is it the same risk as flashing a rom via odin?
Is this why I am only able to use about three gigs of my internal storage space? I see 3 or so are partitioned off for the ROM (See second attachment from within TiB), then I have 10 gigs, but 7 are full of something I can't locate - either from within my phone or through my computer (See first attachment from within ES File Explorer).
I've got to assume this is just something going on with my phone. I think everyone would be pretty upset if their 16 gig phone only gave them 3 gigs...
I wish we had something like DTa2SD for the S4! That would be great...
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thanks for the info. but i dont see why i would lost power during the process or anything like that. is it the same risk as flashing a rom via odin?
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When everything goes well you are right, you will probably reflash the partition 1000 times without having any issues... the problem is if you were to be unlucky
No the risk is not the same as flashing a rom. If the process of flashing a rom is interrupted you just wouldn't be able to reboot your phone normally but you could always reboot in recovery or download mode to retry flashing the rom.
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Is this why I am only able to use about three gigs of my internal storage space? I see 3 or so are partitioned off for the ROM (See second attachment from within TiB), then I have 10 gigs, but 7 are full of something I can't locate - either from within my phone or through my computer (See first attachment from within ES File Explorer).
I've got to assume this is just something going on with my phone. I think everyone would be pretty upset if their 16 gig phone only gave them 3 gigs...
I wish we had something like DTa2SD for the S4! That would be great...
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No you should have 8/9 Gb free on your Internal SD. The space you lose are the 2.19Gb in the system partition, but you have definitely something that is occupying your Internal SD.
Well crap. Any idea how to get rid of whatever it is? I can't get my phone to go into mass transfer mode at all (even with the SG USB Mass Transfer app) so the only thing I can do is browse on my phone through file explorers and nothing can see it.
Hey Guys,
I asked @kokotas to help me figure out a way to make a Patch to extend the Internal Memory as for me, due to the size of the high-end Applications and Games, is too limited 16GB, 11,70GB available only, on our Z1.
So my first Idea was to sacrifice 16Gb Internal Memory and use 64GB External SD Memory formatted in EXT4 where all the Data will be stored.
To do so we have to understand few thing and how is the structure of the Z1 Kernel is made and try to extract "ramdisk.cpio" where we can edit "init.rc" and change the line "/data mount"
As for the kernel "Autopsy" we used @krabappel2548 kernel build, I hope he is fine with that.
From what we know, the recovery is injected in the boot.img and this makes things more complicated.
Are all kernels built in this way? Even the stock ones?
Also, is there a specific rule in the way of naming the included ramdisks?
I attached a picture to make things more clear.
Any help will be appreciate.
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Hey Guys,
I asked @kokotas to help me figure out a way to make a Patch to extend the Internal Memory as for me, due to the size of the high-end Applications and Games, is too limited 16GB, 11,70GB available only, on our Z1.
So my first Idea was to sacrifice 16Gb Internal Memory and use 64GB External SD Memory formatted in EXT4 where all the Data will be stored.
To do so we have to understand few thing and how is the structure of the Z1 Kernel is made and try to extract "ramdisk.cpio" where we can edit "init.rc" and change the line "/data mount"
As for the kernel "Autopsy" we used @krabappel2548 kernel build, I hope he is fine with that.
From what we know, the recovery is injected in the boot.img and this makes things more complicated.
Are all kernels built in this way? Even the stock ones?
Also, is there a specific rule in the way of naming the included ramdisks?
I attached a picture to make things more clear.
Any help will be appreciate.
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1. Sony doesn't have a recovery partition in their phones hence developers add the recovery in the ramdisk. Also stock sony kernels doesn't have a recovery included by default only bootloader/flashmode.
2. You can't adjust the 16gb internal partition without diving deeply into the bootloader. The NAND partition profiles are hardcoded in the bootloader so modifying even just a little bit of info in the partition of the NAND would brick your device. The only way I could possibly suggest to try is hijacking the fstab and ramdisk to unmount the internal storage and mount the external storage on init. But if your issue is only about disk space I suggest you leave the internal storage and just symlink the obb folder instead of hijacking the whole internal storage. And BTW the disk IO of the internal storage is worlds apart compared to your microsd card no matter what class it is so it would be very unefficient if you use your microSD card as internal. IMHO reading the dalvik-cache 1 by 1 on startup would be pretty slow! Same goes for reading the byte code of an app once you open it.
Riyal said:
1. Sony doesn't have a recovery partition in their phones hence developers add the recovery in the ramdisk. Also stock sony kernels doesn't have a recovery included by default only bootloader/flashmode.
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We know that. If there will be a Partition for recovery it will be much more easy and safe. That why we also used a Kernel with recovery implemented.
Riyal said:
2. You can't adjust the 16gb internal partition without diving deeply into the bootloader. The NAND partition profiles are hardcoded in the bootloader so modifying even just a little bit of info in the partition of the NAND would brick your device.
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We trying and this is the risk of everybody who flashing a Custom Kernel.
Riyal said:
The only way I could possibly suggest to try is hijacking the fstab and ramdisk to unmount the internal storage and mount the external storage on init. But if your issue is only about disk space I suggest you leave the internal storage and just symlink the obb folder instead of hijacking the whole internal storage.
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Maybe not the whole internal storage but implement the external SD with the internal?
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And BTW the disk IO of the internal storage is worlds apart compared to your microsd card no matter what class it is so it would be very unefficient if you use your microSD card as internal. IMHO reading the dalvik-cache 1 by 1 on startup would be pretty slow! Same goes for reading the byte code of an app once you open it.
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I know the difference between Internal and External Storage. Yes the internal bandwidth is higher but like I said is worth the sacrifice, or try. Best solution will be System and Apk on Internal and link the SD to use there all Data. This is more efficient that a third Apps like Link2sd or kind of. BTW, I don't think it will be so slow but we have to try. The idea have to be made to improve what next.
So we need more Ideas, do you have any?
We know that. If there will be a Partition for recovery it will be much more easy and safe. That why we also used a Kernel with recovery implemented.
We trying and this is the risk of everybody who flashing a Custom Kernel.
A: This isn't about risk this is a fact. Once you successfully manage to alter the partition table of the built in NAND you're sure to get a hard brick from doing this.
Maybe not the whole internal storage but implement the external SD with the internal?
A: Implementing internal storage with external to support it is possible but limited. Like I said you could symlink the obb and Android folder to the external storage. That way you can allocate some of the storage space to data, dalvik etc. and the data files to the external SD which uses the most resources.
Hmm, changing the partition table has been successfully done on the xperia T
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2147997
I am not an expert here, but is this what you are talking about,
What benefit would this give a user?
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I am not an expert here,
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Me either, @kokotas is the Master here and all thanks should go to him for help me with this, actually the picture is of his work.
gregbradley said:
Hmm, changing the partition table has been successfully done on the xperia T
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2147997
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We do not try to repartitioning the Sony Z1 internal memory to get a recovery bootable from different partition, which still a very good idea to develop for Z1. We try to mount the External SD instead of the Internal to expand the storage for the Z1, and here we need a patch. If kind of patch like that will really work, with some help, anyone just will format the SD in EXT4 and use what like he like, 32/64GB.
So we will be glad even to involve more "Programmers" to help us make it true.
So any way to let this work?
Jay794 said:
What benefit would this give a user?
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Expand storage. You will be able to format a 64GB, micro SD in 2 Partitions and use 32GB by the System and 32GB like a normal SD, for example, and it will be managed by the system and not by Apps. So instead of 11,70GB you will have 30GB in System.
Surely this will just make accessing the SD card data really slow? Even with a class 10 running games off the SD card would be laggy as hell
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Jay794 said:
Surely this will just make accessing the SD card data really slow? Even with a class 10 running games off the SD card would be laggy as hell
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Thank you for your Opinion. Is not your problem.
Expert Request Please..
Can someone who know more than me just have a look on the attachment and answer few question, unanswered form post 1.
..for Z1
1) Are all kernels built in this way? Even the stock ones?
2) Also, is there a specific rule in the way of naming the included ramdisks?
3) Do all kernels use the sbin folder?
4) Is ramdisk.cpio the default name used in all kernels
Hey, I support the idea, I just don't see how useful it will be
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gregbradley said:
Hmm, changing the partition table has been successfully done on the xperia T
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2147997
I am not an expert here, but is this what you are talking about,
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Yes it is possible but not easy... I'm pretty sure the dev that made that had a hard time before he successfully got it. Also I'm pretty sure he has a JTAG box so in case his phone got hard bricked he can easily fix it again. Also IMHO that was already patched by sony on the latest s1boot so I'm sure it's alot harder than before.
Riyal said:
Yes it is possible but not easy... I'm pretty sure the dev that made that had a hard time before he successfully got it. Also I'm pretty sure he has a JTAG box so in case his phone got hard bricked he can easily fix it again. Also IMHO that was already patched by sony on the latest s1boot so I'm sure it's alot harder than before.
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Yes, he did brick his Xperia T a few times, and the LK kernel was never really taken up because of the risks.
But it does show that it was possible to change the partition table.
As for on the xperia Z1, I don't know
gregbradley said:
Yes, he did brick his Xperia T a few times
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I can do that.
Only problem with having the SD used all the time for system files is the risk of corruption and or a failed card.
Saying that I had it on the S3 and it worked brilliantly, was a relatively simple script which required init'd support from a custom kernel.
In all fairness, after using folder mount the worries i've had with my internal memory have gone, i'm always over 10GB of space with several really big games installed which would easily take over the whole internal memory.
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Only problem with having the SD used all the time for system files is the risk of corruption and or a failed card.
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Here you sound like Google.
dladz said:
Saying that I had it on the S3 and it worked brilliantly, was a relatively simple script which required init'd support from a custom kernel.
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I had it on HD2 as well and never had any issues and I had full control of my device, this is what also we looking at, no restrictions and no storage limit on a high-end device. I will be glad to see 64GB recognized as my System Storage instead using Apps on Apps like the Mount Folder.
I play Most Wanted, of curse a bit slow, on mine HD2 so if we get this work we will have 40mb/s in writing and reading, instead of 70mb/s in internal, due to the limitation of the slot. I think even with a kind of transfare like that you will never see any slow down of the performance on your device.
Some Smart One will say now to me "Why then you don't go back to HTC". That's the point! Imagine have Z1 with such a Development and full control of you device.
At last it's a choice of the user if he want apply that patch or not, but I think if this will be possible many will be happy, but like I can see, we don't have much support due to the risk and any Developer will not take this in consideration, or maybe will, but apparently not now.
eclyptos said:
Here you sound like Google.
I had it on HD2 as well and never had any issues and I had full control of my device, this is what also we looking at, no restrictions and no storage limit on a high-end device. I will be glad to see 64GB recognized as my System Storage instead using Apps on Apps like the Mount Folder.
I play Most Wanted, of curse a bit slow, on mine HD2 so if we get this work we will have 40mb/s in writing and reading, instead of 70mb/s in internal, due to the limitation of the slot. I think even with a kind of transfare like that you will never see any slow down of the performance on your device.
Some Smart One will say now to me "Why then you don't go back to HTC". That's the point! Imagine have Z1 with such a Development and full control of you device.
At last it's a choice of the user if he want apply that patch or not, but I think if this will be possible many will be happy, but like I can see, we don't have much support due to the risk and any Developer will not take this in consideration, or maybe will, but apparently not now.
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I actually probably will be going back to HTC after this phone. Doubt it'll be the M8, although i do like it, the camera is sup par though and i've come accustomed to a decent picture.
dladz said:
I actually probably will be going back to HTC after this phone. Doubt it'll be the M8, although i do like it, the camera is sup par though and i've come accustomed to a decent picture.
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I know, I try to don't give up on it too but to much to deal with. The camera is good but I was disappointed anyway. So I was thinking about 64GB HTC One, or wait for the next release and I will finally be fine. For the moment I try to deal with Z1, I hope somewhere we will have 64GB system storage , this maybe will change my mind, everything is possible.
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I know, I try to don't give up on it too but to much to deal with. The camera is good but I was disappointed anyway. So I was thinking about 64GB HTC One, or wait for the next release and I will finally be fine. For the moment I try to deal with Z1, I hope somewhere we will have 64GB system storage , this maybe will change my mind, everything is possible.
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Have you used folder mount before? It really is a great app and i've not needed the larger internal storage since using it.
I just got the x pure with tax money and I want to root and ROM it I've read all the directions but my questions are a little deeper than that I think. I got the 16gb version cause I knew 6.0 and adoptable storage and I got a 64 GB card. So one of my questions is since I used adoptable storage once I download my ROM on device when I wipe the device before I flash, is my ROM data gonna be gone after the wipe or is there a safe place to put it so it doesn't get wiped? My next question is are any ROMs that uses 6.0 adoptable storage so i can get the same use ability out of my SD card, or is that built in to the Android code and always there on 6.0 so it wouldn't matter? Thanks for the help and if this is in the wrong place I'm sorry I know y'all could help me out the most. And any ROM suggestions that keep the moto voice and actions???
1. Wrong forum to post this. Please go to q&a sub forum.
2. When you use adoptable storage you will have 16+64 gb storage on your device
3. Adoptable storage is a beta feature, so expect bugs, with flashing other roms.
4. In that case use you sd card as adoptable storage.
bartjeh1991 said:
1. Wrong forum to post this. Please go to q&a sub forum.
2. When you use adoptable storage you will have 16+64 gb storage on your device
3. Adoptable storage is a beta feature, so expect bugs, with flashing other roms.
4. In that case use you sd card as adoptable storage.
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In the future, it's easier for us if you omit #1 (#'s 2,3,4 were great answers) and simply hit the report post button to notify us to move it. Sometimes (especially on mobile apps like tapatalk) posts/threads land somewhere other than intended.
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In the future, it's easier for us if you omit #1 (#'s 2,3,4 were great answers) and simply hit the report post button to notify us to move it. Sometimes (especially on mobile apps like tapatalk) posts/threads land somewhere other than intended.
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Unrelated, but good to see you over here. I remember you from my HTC days!
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Unrelated, but good to see you over here. I remember you from my HTC days!
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I found it better to use the external SD as portable storage when flashing ROMs because when I switched ROMs I had to format the card every time. Otherwise it would show up as unreadable after the ROM switch. If you plan on staying on the same ROM then you might get away with adoptable. I had a 16GB model too and didn't have a issue with storage space with it as portable. Just save your music and pics to the card.
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I found it better to use the external SD as portable storage when flashing ROMs because when I switched ROMs I had to format the card every time. Otherwise it would show up as unreadable after the ROM switch. If you plan on staying on the same ROM then you might get away with adoptable. I had a 16GB model too and didn't have a issue with storage space with it as portable. Just save your music and pics to the card.
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Thanks man that's what I needed to know
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Thanks man that's what I needed to know
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No problem. Now if I quoted the right post it would have been better.... I did end up selling my 16GB and picking up a 64GB but for me it's kind of a waste because I put everything on my external card. I really didn't benefit anything other than a lighter wallet
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No problem. Now if I quoted the right post it would have been better.... I did end up selling my 16GB and picking up a 64GB but for me it's kind of a waste because I put everything on my external card. I really didn't benefit anything other than a lighter wallet
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Yeah my issue with the 16 GB is I have big games so I fill up internal memory fast but everything else goes on my card
So I shouldn't use adoptable storage before I flash a ROM just after it if I plan on staying on that ROM right?
Hi all, so to start with, as the title says im constantly running out of space on the FN model 2015, so ive dived into the forum looking for help. First thing i tried was the sd card hack to combine my 64gb sdcard with the 8gb internal. Harra! it worked, but then i still run outa space as it dosen't seam to to use the sdcard space as i had hoped. It's like it just copys some of the data from the apps to the SD card like normal but without having to go into the each app and selecting external sdcard. Kinda thought no probs I'll download a custom rom with no samsung apps and with a min gapp giving me as much storage space i could get. I can't see one, starting to think there isnt one. So my question is, is it hard for me to take my backup of my stock rom and strip what I can out bearing in mind I'm a bit of a noob and have to follow instructions from the clever ROM makers? not to bothered about increasing the speed and looks just the space. Would be able nice to update them without having to delete a few and re-install the ones I deleted. Any advice on what coarse to take would be great. Maybe theres a ROM I've mist I could use and give thanks for?
Cheers
Running 6.0.1
Drebbs
Hi,
Instead of using Adoptable Storage, make 2 partitions on your SD, 1 FAT32 for photos,music,documents and another EXT4 for apps data. Use this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.co.pricealert.apps2sd , i tested it.
You can make 2 partitions using PC or with TWRP Recovery.
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Hi all, so to start with, as the title says im constantly running out of space on the FN model 2015, so ive dived into the forum looking for help. First thing i tried was the sd card hack to combine my 64gb sdcard with the 8gb internal. Harra! it worked, but then i still run outa space as it dosen't seam to to use the sdcard space as i had hoped. It's like it just copys some of the data from the apps to the SD card like normal but without having to go into the each app and selecting external sdcard. Kinda thought no probs I'll download a custom rom with no samsung apps and with a min gapp giving me as much storage space i could get. I can't see one, starting to think there isnt one. So my question is, is it hard for me to take my backup of my stock rom and strip what I can out bearing in mind I'm a bit of a noob and have to follow instructions from the clever ROM makers? not to bothered about increasing the speed and looks just the space. Would be able nice to update them without having to delete a few and re-install the ones I deleted. Any advice on what coarse to take would be great. Maybe theres a ROM I've mist I could use and give thanks for?
Cheers
Running 6.0.1
Drebbs
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Hey i recommend rooting ur phone then download an app called move to sd card from playstore go to settings and choose download locations then select external sd card . Problem solved
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here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...msung-j5-f-t3400101/post69989096#post69989096
Thanks for your reply! I went down the apps2SD route in the end. Kinda mest it up a bit but have free'd up nearly 1gb of space so thanks, that's more than enough! %) I ended up partitioning the SDcard and linking all the apps I'm not interested in, excel,Skype,Samsung etc. Anyway what i didn't realise was that i had mest the other part of the partition up. Ended up re-formatting the SDcard in recovery back to normal and those apps I didn't want 90% of the data of those have now been wiped %)