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i was ondering if there were any software that would allow 2exec' to estabilish a video chat session over wifi rather than paying for the 3G rates... also if there were a way to do the same with regular pc users too
thanks for any information
Not as yet even though the camera does have the facility to be integrated into applications, unfortunately no-one has yet!
Video calling is good though!
I sent an email to the MS Portrait team and they told me that this may be included in a future version if they can get the camera API.
I think it would be a killer app that will separate the Jasjar from all the others.
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You are wrong. With PocketCaster www.comvu.com you can stream videos from both cameras via GPRS, UMTS, WiFi up to Comvu-Server.
Regards, Gerd Dubrand
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You are wrong. With PocketCaster www.comvu.com you can stream videos from both cameras via GPRS, UMTS, WiFi up to Comvu-Server.
Regards, Gerd Dubrand
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Thanx, man! Bravo for the info!
That's amazing! I just downloaded and played a bit but I couldn't really play that much seeing as O2 only give me 1MB a month!! booooo
Dubrand,
Thanks for the info. However since I haven't yet seen this tool you are referring to, is this tool solely a video blog? In other words, from what you are saying, it cannot be used to do an interactive chat between two people on the fly (like in MSN Messenger on the PC) but only to save and upload a video clip on a server no?
Tks.
Thanks Dubrand! Looks like a fun little app/service. 8)
Thanks a lot!
It cannot be used to do an interactive chat between two people on the fly (YET). But i think this is a terrific proof of the concept that the build in camera can be used in (interactive) applications from third parties. An exciting promise for future use of the HTC Universal.
thanks for the info. i think this is a must have and when it is fully integrated into say msn messenger this will be my far the best device / gadget for years
3g video web conferencing
Any developers who fancy having a bash at developing such a website feel free to contact me. www.meetnow.co.uk...I have the ideas, web address (not live yet)...but lacking the technical know how..
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thanks for the info. i think this is a must have and when it is fully integrated into say msn messenger this will be my far the best device / gadget for years
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i would really love to get the vga camera works on MSN messanger, the other day my web cam just died & i was desperately wanted to go live with my family, but i couldn't find a way to make it work.
it surely will be a big kicka**
Dear all,
I have been wondering if there is an application with messenger, which would have hermes frontcam as a webcam. After a long search I did not manage to find any apps like this. (with this i mean an app, which is running on the WM, NOT on PC).
However I came across one opinion about the thing that it could NOT be possible, since the heavy need of processing of the cam. I started thinking is that right, how much processing speed does it need to run a webcam with like only few pictures per second and a basic chat app running on msn messenger standard.
In my unprofessional opinion that should be possible, and if it is, why isnt anyone else interested in this kind of a thing, and why its not available.
Please somebody, do that kind of an application so I wouldnt have to learn WM PPC programming just because to do that.
or alternatively, prove me wrong.
/Henry
It is defenately possible. I use Web Camera plus and you phone will act as a perfect webcam. You can even choose if you want the front cam or normal cam.
http://www.ateksoft.com/webcamplus.html
It is defenately possible. I use Web Camera plus and you phone will act as a perfect webcam. You can even choose if you want the front cam or normal cam.
http://www.ateksoft.com/webcamplus.html
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Thanks for the cool info!
Unfortunately that is working as a webcam for a messenger running on a PC only.. Not for messenger application running on my Hermes itself.
Is this impossible, is this going to be my Alamo?
/Henry
Ow, that i do not know. I'm not aware of an app that can do that, allthough i think it should be possible.
Maybe someone else can help you.
Im going to have to say that i doubt such a program exists or will exist.
MSN uses a lot of processing power to convert raw video into a streamed format.
Just because it is possible to do 3G video calls doesnt mean that MSN will use the same compression method.
What they'd first need to develop is voice calls through MSN. Not just voice clips.
hey, check out microsoft portrait, it has an app for both PC and PPC it is actually a development for voice/cam chat for portable devices, work on my wizard, however I don't have a hermes, so you will just need to try it and see, post back the results.
http://research.microsoft.com/mcom/portrait/
on my wizard it does have a drop down for the different cameras it detects, however the wizard only has one camera, so i believe it may bring up both cameras on the hermes
hey, check out microsoft portrait, it has an app for both PC and PPC it is actually a development for voice/cam chat for portable devices, work on my wizard, however I don't have a hermes, so you will just need to try it and see, post back the results.
http://research.microsoft.com/mcom/portrait/
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Cool stuff! Will try it out as soon as I get a internet connection.. Just now Im located in Netherlands (against my will ) without internet subscription and with horrible dutch 3g data transfer pricing.
Reporting back from Finland! The land of the thousands lakes and stuff..
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sry for that.. just noticed that the file is actually under 1 meg.. so even I can afford that with stupid dutch pricing..
I tried to install it but i couldn't
I've got the last windows installer but the msi gives me a error message every time (i'm running a windows xp professional sp2)
I tried to install it but i couldn't
I've got the last windows installer but the msi gives me a error message every time (i'm running a windows xp professional sp2)
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I will try that out later tonight. Which version of WM are you running? 5 or 6? and which version of the phone you have? ..or maybe you ment that its not installing on your computer..
I mean that is not installing on my computer, if I transfer the file to my hermes, it doesn't work either.
Does it work for you ?
I'm on WM6 (Schaps version 3.54c)
I just saw that the Shift (pocketpc part) has a true 640x480 today screen with lots of stuf on it. Can it be ported to the Athena?
[Note, 256mb video download. Don't click unless you're a bit light headed or lotsa bandwidth - V]
http://media.libsyn.com/media/gottabemobile/The_HTC_Shift_Hugo_Ortega_GBM.wmv
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Dude, are you linking to that 30 minute video?
That video was decent, at least a first hand look on the Shift. Not very professionally done, but the info was good enough to let me know I do not want one. I'll stick with the Athena and probably will for a long time to come.
The Shift appears to use the full WINCE system, not PocketPC as in the Athena.
This has always had icons and a full resolution desktop. Look at commercial portable devices that use WINCE.
You can even get the MS embedded dev kit and compile your own WINCE that boots on a PC to try it. (120day limit). That devkit has been discussed before on the forum.
Shift
The specs show that it uses Vista and WM6 Professional.
The screen does look good, I thought I really wanted one, and was making do with ameo until it was released, I think I will be sticking with the ameo. I still think it will be to slow. "for my needs" and the ameo appears to be a faster pda. Think I will be better off with remote desktop, and a good cooked rom.
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I just saw that the Shift (pocketpc part) has a true 640x480 today screen with lots of stuf on it. Can it be ported to the Athena?
http://media.libsyn.com/media/gottabemobile/The_HTC_Shift_Hugo_Ortega_GBM.wmv
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Link not working. Got a newer or better link please?
The link still works. I just tested it. Copy the url to the mediaplayer while choosing open url http : //cache.libsyn.com/gottabemobile/The_HTC_Shift_Hugrtega_GBM.wmv
Shift
Why did you have to post this! Now I wanna trade my X7501 in for a shift!
Its a nice device but way to big. It also has no phone function only data. What I like is the today screen. Its a true 640x480 today screen.
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Its a nice device but way to big. It also has no phone function only data. What I like is the today screen. Its a true 640x480 today screen.
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If that's the case, I won't be getting it. I thought that the pocket pc side could be used as a phone.
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If that's the case, I won't be getting it. I thought that the pocket pc side could be used as a phone.
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Nope. Sadly it's data only...
no phone capability kinda blows it out of the water for me
otherwise it looked really great, talk about major oversight
if you use a sim card for data and voice which most people do.
You have to go back to using 2 Devices which is very stupid
from what i undrstood u had to use a bluetooth headset to use voice...
but i thought it was possible?
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from what i undrstood u had to use a bluetooth headset to use voice...
but i thought it was possible?
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Latest reports are that it's not voice capable, but we'll have to wait until it is out to know for sure...
there are laptops that can use a sim card to access the internet , if this cant do voice whats the point?
I agree. for what your paying for a shift you can get an awsome laptop with 3g inside and still have enough money for a few months of data connection. HTC has totally dropped the ball with no voice
The EDGE/Hsdpa module is for WWAN - were it only Vista that would mean no voice. However, lots of speculation that the WM6 "side" will be able to use it for voice.
well the guy the carrying out the review in the video states
'THERE IS NO VOICE, GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD!'
which kinda indicates there not being a voice option
Many many moons ago I initiated a thread telling all of the impending sale of my Ameo, and my reasons for doing so. Since then I have owned umpteen handsets including a Toshiba Portege G900, Nokia E90, Tytn ii, HTC Touch Diamond and finally (to my own surprise) an Iphone 3G.
I recall an overbearing distaste for the Iphone and its supposed lack of a software scene, however it seems that times have changed: the iPhone, for all its flaws now has a huge modding scene and an almost limitless array of applications to cover all of Apple's oversights. For what it's worth the iPhone is the most enjoyable handset I have ever used.
Now here's the thing.
I've been offered a very good price for my Iphone and have recently acquired an INCREDIBLY cheap HTC ADVANTAGE. From the quick look at these forums I've had there seem to have been some great developments and I WANT to fall back in love with the Advantage (though I accept that the device is in itself a completely different handset!)
I suppose on a deeper level I want to know if windows mobile can offer me the solutions that I have on my Iphone and enjoy every day. Obviously each device has HARDWARE differences that can never be changed - the Advantage will never have multitouch just as the iPhone will never have a VGA display; but considering the HUGE software library Windows Mobile supposedly offers can it provide solutions to the following tasks....
Google Contacts OTA sync - with Gsync I can synchronize my contacts every day and ensure I never lose a number. This also updates my contact photos stored on Google's servers. I don't use Outlook, never have never will and want a simple over the air solution.
Podcasts. With Mobilecast on the iPhone I can search for an download podcasts which download in the background and update as and when new shows arrive. It supports both video and audio podcasts.
YouTube downloader - allows the download of high quality YouTube videos to keep and supports multiple simultaneous downloads.
Email with properly formatted HTML support. I recall the Windows Mobile html email client displaying weirdly formatted and ugly messages, shifted to one side/ I will happily pay for a replacement email client if it is as beautiful and useable as the Iphone's.
Browser - the iPhone's browser is far from perfect, but I'm able to happily type out a new thread on Safari right now. I recall many problems with the Touch Diamond's Opera browser - most irritatingly the cursor moving back in the paragraph you're typing for no reason. Have most of the flaws with Opera Mobile been resolved? Is it now better than the iphone's Safari browser?
That's pretty much my list. They might seem pretty banal but they make me enjoy my iPhone, and if I can get the Advantage to do all those things then I'll probably sell up. I'm not worried about the size of the Advantage.
Hi Leoni,
Good to hear from you again after such a long period of absence.
I still give the same advice: define your requirements first, and be comprehensive in doing so.
- Do you need navigation software? If yes, iPhone is out, Athena is in.
- Do you want hugh screen and not mind the size? If yes, Athena has a tick.
- Do you do word, excel, and power point, or at least often receive attachment of such and want to read them on the device? If yes, iPhone is out, Athena is in.
- Could you tolerate weak signal strength? If no, iPhone is out.
- Do you have the habit of using handwriting recognition, or write Chinese/Japanese/Korean characters? If yes, iPhone is out.
- Do you want to use the GPS for traking, or prolonged use without access to power source? If yes, iPhone is out, as you can't swap in spare battery.
- Do you a extremely fussy person in wanting really really smooth video playback? If yes, consider iPhone. However, if you'r willing to wait, Coreplayer is going to address this issue very very shortly and poor video playout is likely to be history.
- Do you placed lots of value in internet browsing wihtout having to zoom in and out? If yes, nothing beats Athena. But Opera Mobile would never be as smooth as Safari. As to your questions on typing using Opera, it depends on which version you use. You need to try out all of them to see the difference.
- Are you a fashion conscious person who want to be "cool". If so, iPhone is a cool looking phone, but so is HTC Touch HD (Which I have just bought).
- Do you do presentation as required by your work? If yes, HTC Touch HD is out, and Athena is in, because HD does not have TV-out. Although iPhone has TV out, it does not have presentation software, so iPhone is also out.
- Do you want FM radio? If so, consider Touch HD.
- Do you want good camera (say 10MP camera) and video recording? If so, consider Samsung SBH B600.
You get the idea... You need to know what your requirements are, then gather information to see if your target phones meet your need.
Yes, a lot has changed for the better in Athena since you last left it, but there are still many areas which are unchanged. You could post all your specific question after you've considered your requirements, and we'll be very happy to answer your questions. You have already posted some of those question, but it's a good idea to think more comprehensively to make sure you cover all aspects of your needs.
I may not be able to answer some of the questions as your needs are different from mine, but I'm sure others would respond to your questions.
Cheers.
Hi Eaglesteve - I had a feeling you'd be in here - good to hear from you.
My circumstances are that I already have an iPhone and have an Advantage coming in the post today. I'm not after turning the Advantage into an iPhone, simply wondering if there are one or two bits of software which would sell the idea of keeping the Advantage to me.
I'm surprised you'd go for the Touch HD Eaglesteve as its screen is quite a bit smaller than that of the Advantage. The device does interest me, although its price is more than the combined costs of my iPhone and Advantage! I wonder if I'd just be better off keeping two devices once again. What are your feelings on the HD versus the Advantage? How does the overall responsiveness and also audio and video performance compare with the Advantage?
Regards
Check this out: http://www.goosync.com/
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Check this out: http://www.goosync.com/
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Hi thanks for that. Unfortunately you have to pay, and 20 quid seems a rip-off considering I'd only be syncing my contacts. The solution I have for Iphone cost me £1 or something like that.
I'm seriously thinking of just throwing my Advantage straight onto Ebay. Windows Mobile doesn't seem to have the scope of free software it once had. I don't think the idea of free (or very cheap) Google contacts sync software is that ridiculous an idea - certainly it's enough of an issue for more than one iPhone developer to come up with free or cheap solutions. I bought the Advantage because it was cheap and i thought it would be something fun to play around with but I seem to have made a poor decision.
If every little solution costs me £20 then I'm going to be severely out of pocket by the end of the week!
It don't sync with google but....
Sync = www.dashwire.com is the best over the air sync up I've used. Photos, videos, contacts, photocontacts, emails and txt for free! Also snap2face (free) facebook app can sync up with your facebook contacts images too.
Rss video and audio = Beyondpod 3.0 (free) brilliant software. Use this in conjunction with Mort's Player and the Mypod skin (free). You won't look back with a 16GB SDMicro (w/adapter) in your advantage.
Browser = Netfront or even better Skyfire if you can get it. Netfront has so many different configs that you should be happy with one or two.
Email = I get by with outlook as any major media mails I get tend to need my home pc!
I don't download youtube vids but do use vTap as the wikipedia side of it is cool.
I tried to replace my Athena with an iphone and failed by a long way. I'll be using this Ameo for a couple of years I think. (Unless the 4g HTC Max kicks ass)
The one thing I would recommend is putting MichyPrima's 5.1 rom it as it is so damn rock solid and just works so good. All the sensors work with the new 'G' software knocking about and I have only hard reset once to clear out a couple of programs.
Long live the X7500. Best comms device I have owned, by a mile.
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Hi Eaglesteve - I had a feeling you'd be in here - good to hear from you.
My circumstances are that I already have an iPhone and have an Advantage coming in the post today. I'm not after turning the Advantage into an iPhone, simply wondering if there are one or two bits of software which would sell the idea of keeping the Advantage to me.
I'm surprised you'd go for the Touch HD Eaglesteve as its screen is quite a bit smaller than that of the Advantage. The device does interest me, although its price is more than the combined costs of my iPhone and Advantage! I wonder if I'd just be better off keeping two devices once again. What are your feelings on the HD versus the Advantage? How does the overall responsiveness and also audio and video performance compare with the Advantage?
Regards
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As for software for Athena, you should always have FtouchSL, Wktask and the like. But I'd strongly recommend SPB Mobile Shell as one of the most transforming software IMO. Not only it is finger friendly, it will also enhance the camera function, puts all the Opera mobile history and favoutries on the launch menu, but also give you lots of useful tools. Don't forget the latest Resco File Explorer and Registry editor. Of course Opera Mobile is a must, but you need to experiement with the various version to find out which is suits you. I find surfing with Opera mobile on Athena to be way way better than using Safari on iPhone, primarily due to the large screen and not having to zoom in and out. Try out FL3 and directly play youtube using Opera 9.5, something which was impossible the last time you had your Athena. When using Opera Mobile, go to the configuration to make minimum overview zoom 85 percent to allow you ability to activate links in zoom out mode if you so wish.
Don't forget youtubeplayer 1.0.0.10 which allows you to either play directly or download youtube videos.
I can't remember if I had already posted this info in my previous entry, so please excuse me if there's any duplication.
Regarding my using the Touch HD, it's the closest replacement available in the market today. I'm not sure if I could get used to the near 4 inch (3.8 precisely) screen or not, but would give it a try. I think 4.5 inch would be real nice, but let's see..
It has many things that I thought an Athena replacement should have: smoother rounder form factor, embedded ear piece, more dated 7.2mb/s download speed, FM radio, better camera (hopefully), and no keybaord (always much prefer without hardware keyboard).
I'm still waiting for my unit to arrive when I make this post. It is too soon for me to comment on performance, etc. I'd want to make sure that if I make a review it is going to be honest, truthful, and helpful.
I never let cost to influence my decision too much. I just want to the best available, if you know what I mean. Actually while considering HD, Mackaby influenced me to give iPhone a serious consideration, which I did. iPhone would have cost me nothing with a plan, but as you already know, it was a frustration and disappointment for me, so I chosed the HD, which cost me AUD1225, which is much cheaper than my Athena, that cost me about AUD1600.
I'd still keep my Athena, in case I could'nt get use to the small size in HD. Won't know until I try it. Unfortunately nobody in Sydney is selling HD, so the only way to try is to buy.
Enough rumbling. Will let you get back to your Athena. Welcome back, my friend.
Lioni,
Forgot to mention podcast. I've never used this myself, but there should be two ways of doing this in winmo devices. You could do it in Opera mobile
In the address bar, enter the URL address of the web page that contains the RTSP link to the desired *.3gp, *.mp4, or *.sdp file, then click on the RTSP links.
Another way is to to use the Streamin Media program. The media is sent in a continuous stream to winmo devices and is played as it arrives, along with the audio. You could play 3GP, MPEG-4, and SDP files. To use this program, go to start/program and start the streaming media program (I think most of MiChy's ROM has it, if I'm not mistaken), then click connect. On the next screen, enter the URL for the website, then tap connect. You can play/pause, rewind, fast forward, etc.
Hope this helps and hope it satisfies your need.
Cheers.
Regarding Opera mobile versus Safari, my opinion is that Safari is still better in terms of being fluid and smooth. Opera tends to be jerky and unsteady in comparision. However, speedwise, there is probably no difference. Safari tends to require some waiting for the blurred webpage to turn clear before you could take control of it (during this time, it is temporarily frozen). Opera also has this pause. I would rate Safari the better browser overall. However, Opera on Athena clearly triumph over Safari on iPhone in my honest opinion, because of the big screen.
I'm currently using my athena again, as my x1 developed a serious flaw yesterday. It jumped under the wheels of a lorry!
Awaiting replacement device from Vodafone as their insurance department is a bad joke.
Anyway, I'd got used to the comparitively tiny screen of the X1, but having gone back to the athena there's a couple of observations.
Both Screens are fantastic, the X1 is noticeably sharper (small screen hires), but using the athena again I can't see how I can cope with the X1 when I eventually get the replacement. It's like using realvga on a screen half the size of the athena, yet I have been coping with it, it's amazing how much you adapt really quickly.
There's a massive speed difference, the x1 does things nearly instantly, all that memory does it I suppose, it's like running an XP machine on 256mb then sticking 1gb of memory inside instead.
Gps is near instantaneous, screen rendering is the same,opening applications don't bring up the spinning wheel of doom, the athena crawls along in comparison yet it didn't feel that slow when I was using it before. It's all relative I suppose (it's not really that slow, maybe 1/4 of a second or so).
But having said that I love the athena, I mentioned before that I don't find it too big to use as a phone, and the screen is amazing. It's a pity we can't squeeze a newer motherboard in there ;-)
When I get my replacement X1 through I'm not certain what to do, I'm very tempted to sell it and get a touch HD, the form factor certainly works better. But then I could keep using it and have the Athena as a wifi tablet for websurfing.
As for browsing speed (noticeably this forum), I find Netfront on simple browsing to be the fastest there is especially across gprs, not very pretty but who cares about the backgrounds when the info is so important!
to throw a spanner in the works, I had a decent play with the blackberry storm while waiting for Vf customer service and their insurance & repairs dept to sort out my x1. The hardware is the best I've seen, not sure how long the funky screen would last, but the form factor is great and build quality looks good, but the OS doesn't look amazing, and I'm not sure how much you can get access to change stuff, plus there's no wifi !
how stupid is that?
Sorry to hear about your SEXXI mishap.
Are you using MiChy's ROM? His ROM should be noticeably faster.
The screen size is the thing that I would miss most about Athena. No doubt about that. A larger screen with the same resolution would off course appear to be less sharp. I hope just like you I could adapt to the tiny 3.8 inch screen in HD.
You should be able to get almost instant GPS signal with Athena. There is a thread that I started on this on how to get that result.
Talking about speed, Asus has just released a 800 mhz winmo phone. This is the fastest on a winmo phone. But sadly it has only 2.8 inch VGA screen, which I would never be able to live with.
yep im running michys latest, and with gps ive never been able to get less than a 35second fix, usually its much more like 5 mins, despite all the tweaks
Beyondpod 3 looks to be EXACTLY what I'm looking for - well done Arctic Matt!
Now here's a stupid question....
I've relied on my iPhone and 'sync in a blink' (a Google OTA contacts sync application) to back up my phone contacts. Now I know that I can back up all my contacts to my Windows Address Book with Itunes, but does anyone know how to put my contacts from my Windows Address Book OR my online Google Contacts onto my Athena (just as a one-off)? I feel stupid even asking this but in the past I've always relied on having my contacts on the SIM card but a few weeks ago I got a new sim and threw the old one away. I don't use Outlook or anything like that, wondered if perhaps I could just do it with Activesync.
Thanks in advance.
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does anyone know how to put my contacts from my Windows Address Book OR my online Google Contacts onto my Athena (just as a one-off)?
Thanks in advance.
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I have an account in Live.com, when I setup Windows Live in my X7510, there is an option to use another email account. I am not sure though if it can use Google (GMail), but to make the story short, upon setup, it will ask you if you want to syncronize your email and contacts to your device.
If Windows Live won't work with GMail, how about creating an account in Live.com. They might have an option to copy your contacts from GMail to Live.com then use Windows Live from your device to syncronize.
Just some thoughts...
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yep im running michys latest, and with gps ive never been able to get less than a 35second fix, usually its much more like 5 mins, despite all the tweaks
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Which GPS Navigation do you use???
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Which GPS Navigation do you use???
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eaglesteve said:
- Do you a extremely fussy person in wanting really really smooth video playback? If yes, consider iPhone. However, if you'r willing to wait, Coreplayer is going to address this issue very very shortly and poor video playout is likely to be history.
Cheers.
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Don't forget to....
leoni1980 said:
Beyondpod 3 looks to be EXACTLY what I'm looking for - well done Arctic Matt!
Now here's a stupid question....
I've relied on my iPhone and 'sync in a blink' (a Google OTA contacts sync application) to back up my phone contacts. Now I know that I can back up all my contacts to my Windows Address Book with Itunes, but does anyone know how to put my contacts from my Windows Address Book OR my online Google Contacts onto my Athena (just as a one-off)? I feel stupid even asking this but in the past I've always relied on having my contacts on the SIM card but a few weeks ago I got a new sim and threw the old one away. I don't use Outlook or anything like that, wondered if perhaps I could just do it with Activesync.
Thanks in advance.
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Go into the advanced settings of Beyondpod 3 and access Beyond Scheduler! You can automate so much stuff on your Athena without having to program in Mort Script. Via this software my x7500 goes into flight mode at 11pm, wakes up at 6am, connects to my home wifi, downloads all my podcasts, downloads all my emails, syncs with dashwire, switches on realplayer and wakes me up to live BBC radio (I live in Norway - NRK would send me back to sleep.).
Oh and
Once you have all you contacts on your phone I really think you should give Dashwire a go. It is rather spiffing.
Hi all,
any of You jumped the train from a TP2. Care to give some comparing between these two. Speed / stability (stock) / functionality.
This is one of the phones I am thinking about, would love to hear your experience.
Ruud
Yep, I made the jump and I know I'm not alone. In short, the DZ is miles better than the TP2. It's much faster, smoother, and all the Android stuff just works very nicely. Tons and tons of apps in the Android market. No issues with running out of RAM.
Build quality is awesome IMHO.
I do miss the extra row of keys that the TP2 keyboard has, but I think the buttons on the DZ keyboard are even better than the TP2 buttons.
I'm still running a stock ROM and am not even overclocking yet (and huge overclocking increases are possible).
Can you tell that I quite like my DZ ?
Well, I did take a plunge a week ago and I'm more than impressed. Everything is pretty much where I'd expect it to be. There was some initial 'seething' issues with changing from winmo to Android, but after 2 days I got used to it without any probs.
There is one thing that may be an issue, (its not phone related but OS related).... please correct me if I'm wrong but only today I realized that Android DOES NOT SUPPORT BT INITIATED DIALLING. So, keep that in mind... it turns out to be a big obstacle for devs and can be an issue for some....
There are apps out there trying to imitate the feature but I found them to be a complete waste of time.
Other than that, go on, make a switch, you will not regret
sent from htc desire Z
Almost every aspect is better, especially speed and responsiveness, android market is lots of fun, as well as htc sense's seamless integration with lots of different services.
GPS is infinitely faster at locking on and there is no lag. If you have copilot for winmo, it should work on android too (deactivate 1st)
The downsides of Z: the 4 row keyboard is inferior, plus lack of directional keys (the touch button isnt as convenient to use), but there isn't much choice if you're going for android.
Hinge mechanism isn't a step forward, more like a step sideways if not backwards.
I've yet to find a good video player, importing ringtones or other system sounds is a bit more painful (others might disagree). Active syncs equivalent, HTC sync is ok-ish and makes life a bit easier.
No MS Office programs, gotta buy alternatives (can somebody recommend one?)
My TP2s battery seems to last longer in comparison.
And finally, flashing custom roms onto TP2 was infinitely easier than on DZ (I've yet to brave rooting)
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GPS is infinitely faster at locking on and there is no lag.
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Ah yes, I forgot that one. I can't believe how quick my DZ gives me a GPS lock !
No MS Office programs, gotta buy alternatives (can somebody recommend one?)
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What about the built-in QuickOffice ? Not as much functionality as Office Mobile of course, but not bad for free.
Hi all,
thanks for your nice reactions.
I feel that the DZ might be a good choice, but some minor things are just unknowns to me.
To go by the topics mentioned by You all :
BT initiated calls, no problem, I am not using that.
@steviewevie, Yes, I can see You like it
I understand the keyboard to be worse than the TP2, but still better than the DHD or HD7 which do not have a real keyboard anyway. I think I can live with the fact that I cannot "bend" it towards me. IF I go for a keyboard again, I will probably have not much choice.
I am very much using the synchronizing of exchange mail, contact & calendar. Do I understand that the DZ out of the box cannot do this, so I need to purchase something, Which software is confirmed to be working without mistakes ?
Further I am using Excel to open some of the files I synchronize through USB (ASync now). I understand that the software to open or work with them will be another one, will the mentioned QuickOffice let me do this, or what other solutions can You this (I am not against paying, but it just should be working)
What about internet sharing, is this flawless ?
Thanks once again for your answers !
Ruud
Ruud Westerhout said:
I am very much using the synchronizing of exchange mail, contact & calendar. Do I understand that the DZ out of the box cannot do this, so I need to purchase something, Which software is confirmed to be working without mistakes ?
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On my TP2 I used to sync my Outlook (2007) Calendar with my phone. I initially tried using HTC Sync (free software download) to do this with my DZ, but I found trouble sync'ing edited repeated appointments. I found that Google's own Calendar Sync utility worked well though (from their site). So I used that to sync my Outlook Calendar with the Google Calendar (online), and now they both stay in sync with my phone.
I never used to sync my Outlook Contacts with my phone. What I did was to find a utility to export them from my phone in CSV format, then imported them to Google Contacts online, and then keep them in sync with my phone that way. HTC Sync is meant to handle Outlook Contacts, but I haven't tried it.
I can't comment on Exchange mail. There was a bug with that in the stock ROM, not sure what the outcome was, I think there was a workaround - try a search.
Further I am using Excel to open some of the files I synchronize through USB (ASync now). I understand that the software to open or work with them will be another one, will the mentioned QuickOffice let me do this, or what other solutions can You this (I am not against paying, but it just should be working)
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QuickOffice will let you edit Excel spreadsheets, yes. I imagine there are some limitations but I haven't tried it out myself yet.
What about internet sharing, is this flawless ?
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Internet sharing in what way ? You can use the DZ as a Wi-Fi hotspot (not tried it myself) or you can use it for tethering a PC/laptop.
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I can't comment on Exchange mail. There was a bug with that in the stock ROM, not sure what the outcome was, I think there was a workaround - try a search.
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Bummer, that is a real must for me. I have a gmail account privately, but I need corporate email etc. through exchange. No way around it.
Anybody to recommend what software is working here ?
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QuickOffice will let you edit Excel spreadsheets, yes. I imagine there are some limitations but I haven't tried it out myself yet.
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Well that would be enough. My requirements are very poor. Opening, looking and a seldom change of value, nothing much really.
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Internet sharing in what way ? You can use the DZ as a Wi-Fi hotspot (not tried it myself) or you can use it for tethering a PC/laptop.
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What I am doing today is connect the TP2 to my PC in an area where I do not have any other internet connection. The TP2 will provide internet connection towards my PC in such way. After that I can go to our VPN in the office, I can use all corporate applications I need etc. (through Citrix) Main thing is I need the PC to receive internet. Today this is done by one of the options I get when connecting the USB cable to my laptop (Async, Internet Sharing, Hard Disk accesss)
I just do not know what tethering is ?
regards,
Ruud
Ruud Westerhout said:
Bummer, that is a real must for me. I have a gmail account privately, but I need corporate email etc. through exchange. No way around it.
Anybody to recommend what software is working here ?
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Check out this thread, where a workaround for the problem is available, and maybe ask there - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=832931&highlight=exchange
What I am doing today is connect the TP2 to my PC in an area where I do not have any other internet connection. The TP2 will provide internet connection towards my PC in such way. After that I can go to our VPN in the office, I can use all corporate applications I need etc. (through Citrix) Main thing is I need the PC to receive internet. Today this is done by one of the options I get when connecting the USB cable to my laptop (Async, Internet Sharing, Hard Disk accesss)
I just do not know what tethering is ?
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Tethering is exactly that. Yes, it works fine. Not sure about the VPN bit but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Bear in mind that with Android, we have the source code for the vast majority of stuff. So if there are glitches, someone can try and fix it without having to wait for the vendor to do so !
Made de jump few weeks ago... Man what a change....
Almost everything works better/smoother/faster/more stable.
Only minor thing I can think of is the keyboard and the lack of directional keys.. but that is just a matter of changing your habits...
Go for it dude... TP2 was good until DZ came out !!
Ruud Westerhout said:
I am very much using the synchronizing of exchange mail, contact & calendar. Do I understand that the DZ out of the box cannot do this, so I need to purchase something, Which software is confirmed to be working without mistakes ?
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Out of the box, Froyo does have basic ability to synchronise Exchange mail, contacts and calendar. However it doesn't have the full features of Exchange Activesync (like searching the exchange server and some security options like device encryption). As steviewevie points out, the known bug seems to be with Exchange server 2010.
You might want to have a look at Touchdown, which gives you back some functionality. The downside is that you have to buy it (although the trial is 30 days to test it out). It uses its own interface for calendar, email, and tasks, so they can't be 'combined' with the HTC ones. Contacts can be combined with the phone's contacts, but editing these contacts must be done via Touchdown's interface. See here for a review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJM46Rno3M4
If you need to sync with Exchange server 2007 or older, and only want simple synchronisation with email, contacts and calendar, then the Desire Z should manage that. Anything else though, then do investigate the thread steviewevie has posted, and also see whether you need to get an app like Touchdown.
Hope that helps.
ok but what about the sound quality, I am led to believe the Desire Z has a mono speaker so calls are mostly missed, whereas the TP2 had stereo, am i correct?
Hi Monomer888,
highly appreciated comments.
Had a look at the link, this looks impressive to me, I might really jump for touchdown if I see that the build in function does not do the job. But I will just start without Touchdown, we use Exchange2007.
Hi, kappo78,
I have no idea about the speakers in either of them. Why would I miss out on something if I have only mono ?
Ruud
The speakerphone quality on the DZ isn't as good as the TP2. Don't know if this can be tweaked or not, I don't recall reading that anyone has tried that yet.
The audio quality, however, listening through headphones, is apparently very good. There's a separate thread on that.