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What's the flap about the ROM upgrade?

Sucessfully downloaded and installed the WWE imate ROM on their web site and reinstalled all apps without any problem.
Maybe I am too quick to conclusions, but I noticed NO CHANGE AT ALL!!!
Bluetooth is exactly as before, call quality is unchanged, the *&^%* Jam still cannot send anything by Infrared and worse, the Camera quality is now worse than pre patch!
Overall not a bad upgrade really, just a waste of time and effort!

I finally got all my apps installed as well. Wasn't easy. And to sum it all up, I didn't notice any discernable differences. Sound quality is the same. Stability is the same.
Anyone know what fixes and updates were supposed to be included in the update? Or did anyone find anything at all to be any different?

The only thing I can tell that it did was make my mp3's sound horrible. Very muddy sounding. I'm about to odwnload pocket music and see if the eq on there can fix it. Also looking for a way to downgrade.

Question for you imaters:
I had an imate for 3 weeks and sent it back to Amazon, bought the MDA Compact instead.
T_mobile has no support for this phone : they built correctly the first time
BT Active Sync with PC, no problem, but I never managed this with Imate
BT with GPS, worked with both IMATE & MDA
The MDA rom is stable, has good sound, photo's are ok, like all HTC devices.
So why not just leave Imate and change to the MDA UK Rom??

Re: Question for you imaters:
mikeycollins13 said:
So why not just leave Imate and change to the MDA UK Rom??
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This makes sense as the operators often do a fair amount of the own device QA, change requests, etc. when they look at any new device. If they don't, they pay for it in customer support. Imate being a relatively new company has yet to prove whether or not it has the same structured approach to their product management. I tell you one thing, Imate will certainly not have the same amount of resources available to them nor will they have as much attention from HTC. That said there is a lot to be said for not being an operator when it comes to efficiency (but that is a different story). Enough editorial...
Does anyone know what the major differences are between the new imate ROM and the current MDA UK ROM? Has anyone used both and/or done a side by side comparison? Does it work on other networks? I'd be interested to hear more.
Ian Wood

I had both
I had both and the major difference lay in the sound and the Bluetooth. Which is why I sent the Imate back.
Besides that, I have had an XDA1, XDA2, and the mda is the most stable rom yet (though the 2003 SE was pretty good on XDA2)
Also price, Imate =389GBP, Amazon, MDA=240GBP, given that it works better, it was a no brainer here.
M

Re: I had both
mikeycollins13 said:
I had both and the major difference lay in the sound and the Bluetooth.
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Is that with regards to stability and quality or are there more features as well? In your estimation, is the difference worth a full reinstall? Thanks for the feedback btw.
Ian

imho the new rom is NOT worth a hard reset and all the reinstalling/reconfiguring/resyncing that goes with it.
to be blunt, I cannot see the difference unless I REALLY go looking for it.

I did the upgrade no problems, and my sound quality is a bit better. (less tinny) I recommend that if you do the upgrade use a quality backup program like sprite backup. I simply restored my previous backup over this upgrade and it went smoothly. I understand a fresh start is also sometimes preferable for for testing and If no problems, then I stick with this. If I start having difficuties then I'll reboot. The reduced hassles makes the 20-30 bucks for sprite backup worth it.
Mike

where is the ROM for JAM WWE???
Click here to download the Arabic ma_cdlsku2_arb_10300_141_10100_ship.exe (29 MB) or
Click here to download the Italian ma_cdlsku10_ita_10304_151_10100_ship.exe (26 MB) or
Select HTTP or FTP link to download the USA ROM ma_cdl_10600_150_11000_ship.exe (46 MB)
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Ok my iMate JAM has this under device info:
ROM: 1.03.00 WWE
Radio: 1.01.00
ExtROM: 1.03.143WWE
But looking at the iMate website I cannot see a WWE ROM... can I use the USA ROM or should I wait for the WWE ROM?

Cannot get a ROM
I have tried following the link that everyone has for the ROM at:
ClubIMate . . .
ma_cdlsku1_wwe_10300_143_10100_ship.exe
ma_cdlsku2_arb_10300_141_10100_ship.exe
But I get Page Cannot Be Displayed.
My previous experience with I-Mate, having bought a used JAM, was that I now had to buy a membership and get an ID and Password to get anything.
Does anyone have the file OFF SITE from the club, or does anyone have a password, yada yada?
Barring all that, has anyone built a better ROM than that? Is there a kitchen available for it?
And anyone looking for themes I am selling a collection of mine on eBay and offer to sell 6 for the price of 3 to anyone that references xda-developers . . . I hope you like.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190106886535&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
Thanks

XDA IIi, changing the bluetooth stack & some newbie stuf

Hello all,
I have an XDA IIi from O2 UK, and I recently purchased a game called Quartz 2 from Elements Interactive BV; I bought two copies, one for my fiancee's P900 and one for my XDA IIi, as it has a multiplayer option that works over both TCP/IP and bluetooth. Or so they claim... I just could not get the game to play nicely with bluetooth, whenever I tried to join or host a game via bluetooth, it instantly failed, whereas it worked fine on the P900. So I emailed tech support to see what they had to say...
Unfortunately, Bluetooth isn't able to work properly on all windows
mobile devices.
This is because there are 2 "Bluetooth stacks" for windows mobile: one
of them is made by Microsoft and one of them is made by Broadcom. It
depends on the device which one is installed (only one of them can be
installed at the same time which is done by the manufacturer of your
product). Because of some licensing issues, we're only able to support
one of the stacks.
Your windows mobile device probably uses the Broadcom stack, the one
that isn't supported by the game. We're sorry to say this, but there
isn't much we can do about this (unless Broadcom change their licensing
terms). Your UIQ device however, is able to work properly because
Symbian doesn't have these issues.
I hope this clears it all up. If there are more questions, please let me
know.
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My XDA IIi runs (according to the Bluetooth Settings/control panel) BT-PPC/PE Version 1.0.0 Build 3900, with the copyright notice belonging to Broadcom. Doh!
So, questions:
Is there any way to run the Microsoft bluetooth stack on the XDA IIi? If so, are there any problems created by doing so?
Does anybody know what the "licensing issues" are? I have emailed them to ask but had no reply as of yet.
And this may seem like a silly question, but the XDA IIi *is* an Alpine (which is an updated Himalaya?), right? Are the XDA III and XDA IIi distinct models? The HTC_Blueangel wiki page mentions a German XDA III, and the forum index mentions an XDA III in the Blue Angel forum description. I just want to be clear on this
In case it's any use, the Device Information control panel contains the following.
ROM version: 1.10.00 WWE
ROM date: 12/24/04
Radio version: 1.00.00
Protocol version: 1337.39 (my protocol is elite!)
ExtROM version: 1.10.124 WWE
Model No.: PH10C
Are there any updates I'm missing/should have installed?
Thanks!

No-one's replied as yet I see, so I'll be the bearer of bad news, citlee. You have the most up-to-date BT stack and ROM. Hopefully, we'll be getting a ROM update soon, but don't expect it to change from Broadcom anytime soon.
As far as naming's go, yes it's called an Alpine (even though xda-developers seem to want to call it a Andes). I don't think you can run a MS BT stack on your device either.
Sorry to be the one to tell you..,.
Kevin

Oh ... ... bugger
Thanks for replying, at least now I know I don't have to go hunting for updates and stuff.
So the device is an Alpine, but here it's referred to as an Andes, which is an updated Himalaya? How is it different from the Himalaya? Will software (on this site, that is, not in general, for doing things end users aren't supposed to) for the XDA II/Himalaya work on this device?
Also, do you have any idea if Windows Mobile 2005 will function on this device? Of course, prior to installing it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to see what the differences/(dis)advantages of 2005 over 2003SE are...

I'm sorry to tell you this but, Windows Mobile 2005 will not work on the XDAIIi, the upgrade of windows mobile was designed to work only with the ROM version of the himalaya. the ROM that the new XDA IIi has is different, so there is no upgrade for it now, I have one XDA IIi also, but do not worry about it becuase it will just take some time untill microsoft will force all the PDA companies to include its upgrade on their devices, it's been always like this.
Regards,
Jorge

[Edit] Some T-Mobile MDA Pro with Dopod ROM Woes

My brother bought me a MDA Pro from Hong Kong just recently. I'm loving the device so far, except there are a few things I've realized about the device that are rather discomforting. With help from some posts from very smart and friendly posters on this forum, I've managed to "get around" some issues that I've had (adding the BT Icon on Today's screen, for instance -- Thanks, Buzz!), but there are a few concerns I still have left that I was wondering you guys could help me with. So here goes:
1. Although I am getting used to the German "QWERTZ" Keyboard, I would like to "fix" some of the Fn mappings. Is there a utility (free, non-free, whatever) that I could use to remap those combinations?
2. The wireless manager does not display any color to indicate weather a service is turned on or off as shown in the attachment. The "All Off" button also cannot be selected. Is there a way to "activate" them?
3. I'm unable to pair the phone with my Jabra 250 over bluetooth. The same headset works fine with my XDA IIs, so its not the headset. The phone can't even detect the headset. Its pretty basic stuff, so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. Any pointers to debug this sort of thing?
Thanks, any pointers to any/all of the above will be appreciated!

FWIW, I found the following page on t-mobile germany's website that lists english manuals, including ROM upgrades for the MDA Pro.
https://after-sales-service.t-mobile.de/eg_online/t-mobile/t_mda_pro.htm
I have the following ROM currently installed on my device:
ROM version: 1.13.69 WWE
ROM date: 10/12/05
Radio version: 1.04.02
Protocol version: 42.37.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.162 WWE
My question is: has anyone attampted upgrading their MDA Pro with the 12/2005 upgrade found on their site? If so, I'd like to know their opinion if its worth doing the upgrade. I'm very tempted to do the upgrade, hoping the new ROM would fix some of the issues I mentioned above.

OK, after several hours of reading various posts on this site, I've learnt a little more about my device. Apparently, I have a Dopod 900 ROM installed on my universal (The Dopod Logo during startup concurs that, too )
Anyhow, I was wondering if any kind soul here could post their WirelessMgr.exe and WirelessMgr_Service.dll from the \Windows folder on their Universal? I could try to replace mine with someone else's to see if that helps at all.

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All those views and no replies?

these are from a O2 ROM.

Thanks a lot, dude! I'll replace mine with these when I get home tonight.

bleh... forgot to mention.... backup ur originals just incase

Same as Hp 6828

Is atom hardware is same as Hp 6828, on few sites they said it's identical, but i'm not sure what kind of identical is it.
So can we run ROM for Atom into Hp 6828 (Like HTC Universal as: XDA exec, dopod 900 etc)
Thanks in advanced

hardware is identical, but i've not sem people run the rom of one in the other. People have extracted Atom apps (phone pad/dial) and installed them in the 6828 with no problems though.

Hmmm, Thanks for reply...
I think i'll start my experiment on my girlfriend's 6828. (I'm sure she wont complain cause I bought it for her) ;-D

Hope you post the results! I want to do the oposite - Flash HP's ROM into my Atom!

...are you SURE you want O2's ROM on a HP? >_>

u can flash 6828 with atom's rom, but there will be a lot of hardware issues... and believe me, u'll regret it..

A bit OT, but I have question about 6828. Is there any possibility to connect any USB device to it? I consider USB HDD 2,5". Please help.

bikekowal said:
A bit OT, but I have question about 6828. Is there any possibility to connect any USB device to it? I consider USB HDD 2,5". Please help.
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nope, but there are ways to connect the miniSD card on your Atom to a PC as a Flash Drive.

Yeah, you need a feature called "USB Host". PPCs that have them are RARE, and unfortunately, the Atom doesn't have it, and O2/HP isn't known for supporting this feature.

So have you tried the flashing?
Please post results. I belive that if they are hardware identical it wont be a poroblem to flash it! Like I have flashed my old MDA compact with Qtek S100's flash!
I want to try the HP rom on my Atom mainly for the new camera software(they say it's better than the Atom's one)

In my honest opinion, I dont know why you would want to flash the HP to O2. The o2 rom is heavier and the features hardly used (unless of course you subscribe to o2's services)
I seriously think you are better off with the HP rom.
it's lighter faster and more reliable.
have you upgraded to the new 1.01 rom from HP?
Try that instead.
rohseq

HP 6280
Can we run ROM for Atom Prophet_220734_2207114_024721(AKU2.3)
into Hp 6828
Thanks

Maybe not so ultimate a chicken??
Ultimate Chicken said:
...are you SURE you want O2's ROM on a HP? >_>
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I see you're running :
==Currently Using:==
O2 Xda Atom Not-Quite-The-Executive
CMOS: 55.44
BRD: C1
ROM: 20060721B1WWE
RDO: R060822N_MN2ARC_RS00013
EXT : EX0033
Does that work well on a std Atom?
Is there any benefit compared to version 20060414B1WWE?
Have you tried installing later exec ROM's too (think there was a later radio ROM from September 2006)?
If so, did it work?

Well, after doing this, I didn't dare to flash with any later ROMs. Why?
Because the ROM is hacked to OUTRIGHT LIE. As in, an ordinary Atom only has 128MB of internal RAM, but the ROM makes it say 192MB. Yes, 192MB. Because of this, I dare not flash with later ROMs. No telling what an unhacked , pure ROM might do to an ordinary Atom. (Yes, the ROM was supposedly HACKED to work on the Atom, by using the Atom Radio Rom 0822 in place of the Atom Exec stack. I think if we tried to use an AE pure ROM, we'd get a missing radio ROM later, since it uses different radio hardware.)
I only flashed to this one because I was having trouble with 20060414B1WWE battery life and drain. Noticed very little change (an extra hour or so after conditioning, battery doesn't drain as often - eventually replaced the original, which turned out to have 2 of its cells non-functional), although some here said this made the O2's default battery last MUCH longer. Others also reported screen flicker after flashing - which disappears in a matter of hours or only happens periodically, but I noticed no such issues.
Also, note that if you flash to the hacked ROM, it's harder to go back to the original if you have problems - since the new bootloader will not allow you to flash straight from it anymore.
The camera application is more stable when attempting to save to memory, and the phone reception is slightly better - but flashing to the hacked ROM is not recommended. There is little benefit far as I can see - even if the ROM is stable and my PPC still works the same - and the risk is rather high.
You can search this forum for the old threads when that ROM first came out. They should tell you what you need to know, and are answered by people with more experience than I have.

Trinity Application unlocking from SD card?

Hi,
I finally took the plunge and flashed my Orange SPV M700 (HTC Trinity P3600) and upgraded to WM6. Fantastic - wished I'd done it ages ago. I followed the excellent TrinityGuides instructions referenced from XDA-Developers Trinity Wiki. My only hiccup while doing the upgrade was choosing which ROM to use. I didn't realise that the Orange SPV M700 phones are in fact P3600, therefore I had a number of failed attempts inadvertantly flashing with P3600i ROMs until I realised what the problem might be. A few XDA-Developers searches revealed that the FInix_3_7_2_Normal ROM seemed to work well for most P3600's, so that's the one I went for.
I'm now running:
- Hard SPL: Olipro 1.20
- Radio: 1.50.08.11
- ROM: FInix_3_7_2_Normal - actually gives you WM6.1
I flashed two weeks ago and everything's running at 100%. Just the ability to use a phone-pad T9 input method for emails and SMS's was worth the upgrade alone, not to mention loads of other benefits that I'm discovering every day.
Only two niggles, which I wonder if someone can help me with...
Niggle number 1 is quite trivial: I actually liked some of the WM5 notifications sounds - but they're not all present in the WM6 ROM. Can anyone tell me where I could download these from. I note that WM6 allows you to use mp3 files for notification sounds so even getting them in mp3 format would be fine.
Niggle number 2 is a bit more of a hassle: I have a 4gb storage card which I keep permanently installed in the HTC (I now have an 8gb one on order). As well as my pictures and mp3, this storage card also holds all my WM apps. Every few months I hard reset my HTC and reinstall everything - its nice to have a clean device - particularly if I've been experimenting with other apps. Therefore its simply a case of installing all the apps cabs straight off the storage card. No need to get connected to a PC. While running WM5, I used an unlock cab, which I created via the Orange Developers web site, to get rid of the application lock so I could install my apps. However (and here's the niggle) when I run the app unlock cab on my new ROM I get a "not trusted certificate" , or some such, message and the installation aborts. The only resolution I've found is to run SDA_ApplicationUnlock.exe on my PC while connected to the HTC. I'd like to remove this need to be tethered to the PC when I hard reset, therefore can anyone please advise how I can achieve the same outcome as running SDA_ApplicationUnlock.exe, preferably by running a cab file from the storage card.
Thanks.
Just a final word... for me, I only need one device in my pocket - my HTC Trinity P3600 - with this one device in addition to the mobile phone and camera functionality, my apps give me the following:
- obvious: email, calendar, contacts all wirelessesly sync'd with my work network
- SlingMobile gives me all the UK Freeview TV channels with DVR capability - requires a bit of kit back home which can be cheaply set up by buying off eBay.
- Satnav via TomTom Mobile (plus also Google maps) using the onboard GPS
- Laptop 3G broadband connectivity using PdaNet on which I can simultaneously access the internet via my HTC at the same time as making/receiving calls (this was the main driver for the WM6 upgrade).
- Full screen Internet browsing experience with Opera 9.5 (so much better than IE).
- Dual (or even quad) timezone display, alarms, etc with Spb Time.
I also recommend FastBlueTooth switcher, which allows you to set up one of the programmable buttons to toggle bluetooth on/off - very useful way to quickly and easily put bluetooth on only when going hands free and saving the battery by easily turning it off when not using the hands-free.