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Make your XDA I/II turn itself off after new SMS faster,etc.

So, after diggin' for long time in registry on Pocket PC 2002 ROMs I've found nice feature - HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\
(may vary cause this is from 2003 ROM, for now I have but was like this and works on 2002), has value WakeUpPowerOff = 180 (by default).
This value (in seconds) determines, how long device will be on after:
1. power on by "power" button (and no other activity - no taps, no any hardware buttons pressing) - it userful for example to see "what's on
today", time, etc...
2. power on by incoming event like SMS or calendar one.
And after you touch screen\ other button - then as I found starts another, "original" timer, defined in Start->Settings->System->Power.
I've set above WakeUp parameter to WakeUpPowerOff = 12 (smallest that works really at mine device) and what I got? This:
When I need to look into today's or time or missed calls etc - I just press power look at screen and devices turns iself off byself. Not great effort but - heh - longer live for power button
But this is more important: When incomes SMS (I have gate from internet inbox to sms so have a lot of smses) - devices comes on only for 12 secs - for day it increases significantly battery life. (aha - 180sec and 12sec - differs!) (etc...). So we can set auto Off timer for 1 minute and work in normal mode (when we tap or read something, smaller is not so much siutable), but with this WakeUp timer also when we don't use device we get very small time to byself on\off-ing and longer battery life.
But after appearing 2003 in my wallaby and then after bying himalaya I have changed this parameter with no effect.
Now I find solution!
We need to change one more parameter in that registry subdirectory named:
DisableGwesPowerOff=1 by defalut. Simpy set it to 0.
And now on my XDA II (and on XDA I with 2003) this hacks works.
I think this will be userful for our XDA community. Thanks for paying attention for this text.

Hey, that is a very, very cool hack! I have always been annoyed when my XDA2 is in my pocket and I receive an SMS when I can't reply. During the 2 minutes before it switches itself off I find that the screen gets pressed a lot in my pocket with sometimes disastrous results.
This hack seems to have no side-effects at all. The XDA2 stays switched on in the cradle and changing the Power-off-on-battery setting doesn't reset this auto-off timer.
I dare to suggest even that it is perfect! Thank you very much nugged.

Thank you realy love this one :idea:
Works fine with 5sec off on XDAII.
goodluck

2 SiliconS: That's some kind of pleasure to share with info and to help.
2 eme: 5 sec? hmm... Ah! I think I have bigger lag cause I have setted up password protection and maybe it needs some time to initialize after on/before off... You haven't password protection on?
Anyway - it's works.

I've just had a thought: does this hack affect the alarms and appointment notifications? Does the machine turn itself off after 12 seconds and stop the alarm working? That might be a problem for some people if so. I can't test at the moment - my wife is asleep
Edit:
Just tested, quietly . It does affect the alarm. I set a repeating alarm. The machine turned on, sounded the alarm once and then switched off. When I turned it on again a few seconds later it sounded a repeat.
I think this hack is excellent if you don't use your XDA2 for alarms or notifications. Otherwise it might cause problems. :?

@nugged:
every PocketPC turns itself automatically on at midnight, to perform some magic regarding alarms etc. It is a known problem that sometimes it turns off too soon again, before having finished its work. There are even programs to make this time-out longer. Question: does you hack also affect this time-out, or is it something completely unrelated?
Cheers
Daniel

2 tadzio: Mine never do this. What "reorganization"? Mine works fine, don't miss any appointments and haven't midnight magic power-ons ...
2 SiliconS: Yes, so that's maybe who need to have long alarms install additional soft and\or set up time longer, smth like 15 seconds.
As for me - yes, I use mine device lot of time so it often in mine hands and at my eyes so I don't need long alarms.
Lets explore info above (at 1st post) here more deeply maybe someone find solution for short WakeUpPowerOff time and working long alarms if needed.

Put down the pipe!!
What are you guys on, hacking the on time? I must be really confused... what about just using the power settings to turn of backlight after 10 seconds and power off if not used for 1 minute?
That's all I ever do and mine lasts easily through a weekend with a few hours of talk time and checking my e-mail at least 20 times.

2 wayandrs: That's your decision If you satisfied with that standard system - good . Anyway - it's not an order - it's just advice
Look - when you setup to run your backlight off after 10 seconds - try to work normally then .

nugged said:
2 tadzio: Mine never do this.
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Yes, it does. You just don't see it because it's only a partial power-up: the display does not get switched on.
The OS needs to clean up appointments, and set alarms for the new day. Most of the time it succeeds, but sometimes the device powers off automatically before the OS could finish, resulting in alarms not going off. This is what tools like "Wakeup Tweak" are for - they just extend the time-out until the device powers down again.
Also, zendrui (the PocketZenPhone author) had a lot of... umm... fun with this feature when users configured PocketZenPhone to automatically switch modes at midnight. Ask him, I think he knows a lot more about this than he ever wanted to know.
Cheers
Daniel

I miss the old 2003 future and wish SMS dose not turn IMATE-II on..
hope some body listen there and give a soltion. it was built in before some bodies complain about it.

2 eme: 5 sec? hmm... Ah! I think I have bigger lag cause I have setted up password protection and maybe it needs some time to initialize after on/before off... You haven't password protection on?
Yes, no password protection.
Btw I managed to connect over BT to Linux machine and have acces to local net and web. That 's nothing ok. But managed also to use device cca
100m+ away form my BT acces point. Just put USB dongle on extended
cable and if possible outside of your room. My is on the attic.
Think, PC makes som interference to BT rx for sure. If anybody interesting
on this can write som more..
goodluck

2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
2 tadzio: so, device turning itself on withot turning on display? Sounds very interesting. Anyway - we can say so our devices stays on every time even turned off by the key, they only slowing down processor and turning off display and some hardware, cause they need to refresh SDRAM memory, to track and remember appointments to wake up at needed time, etc.
And, anyway, if this 'midnight ONs' are have place, if they are not turning on display - ppc works in another mode and I think this registry value is not related to them. But this - for me - is very strange information.
Please, Daniel, give detailed info/links, if you know this question good or don't bewilder other peoples, who read this topic.

nugged said:
2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
I do not have any appointments stored in my device.
Cant wait for Linux to run on it with graphical enviromet.
Than we can all forget this misterious M$ hacks.
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eme said:
nugged said:
2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
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Oh, I didn't mean to say that I have any problems. In fact, before I apply this hack I wanted to make sure that it will likely not cause any problems, that's why I asked if the author knows about any possible interaction between the midnight wakeup and his hack. I would suspect there is none, but I am not sure.
Cheers
Daniel
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nugged said:
Please, Daniel, give detailed info/links, if you know this question good or don't bewilder other peoples, who read this topic.
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Here is more information about this: http://www.mtekk.com.au/browse/page826.html
Cheers
Daniel

problem need help
Alrite i tried with a 12. It works well. As expected, but things happen when my phone rings, with a long rintone i have, it got cut off and then it went back to standby mode, making the call still ringing behind the background, after a while it was turn on again. It annoying when i cannot hear the first part of the ring. I end up not picking up importants calls... Anyway to help this desperado? ow i want to change back but its like the same...

turn off completely

Hello,
usually with newer PDAs - that originally come with WM5/6 - you can turn them off completely (makes sense during the night for example).
Is this possible with BlueAngel - upgraded with WM5/6 (Helmi) somehow ?
thank you.

no you cant turn them off 100%
windows mobile was made to keep running
no matter what to keep the clock running
to keep notifications being able to start and play their alarm
and to turn on to let calls come in

incubus72 said:
Hello,
usually with newer PDAs - that originally come with WM5/6 - you can turn them off completely (makes sense during the night for example).
Is this possible with BlueAngel - upgraded with WM5/6 (Helmi) somehow ?
thank you.
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It makes sense to stop PDA completely if you are using it just for word, excel or as a music player, but if you are using it as a phone, clock and alarm unit, instant emails, then you cant turn it off completely though it can go to Power Save mode.

Turn down the volume, turn on flightmode and put into standby. Of course, alerts and notifications can still occur (That's the point!) but they won't bother you.
There's no actual need to turn it off completely.

hello,
i would like to turn off completely since
- every time when a notification comes up - the screen turns on - and sometimes it happens that i hit the screen or a button in the pocket ...
- i'd like to save battery
but i guess that's not pissible ?
thank you.

Yes, it is possible, but not the way you would like it: Take the battery out for a second, and then put it back. Device won't turn itself on. So far this is the only method. This device was never meant to be used with WM5/6, that's why it does not support many of the required features of this OS.

Hello,
i like the idea with the akku. but one more thing: what about the internal backup- akku ?
when i take the (normal) akku out - and put it back in - does the device run on the backup-battery until i turn the device on - or does it recognize immediately the (normal) akku is there, and uses it ?
you know, or do i have to try ?
thank you very much.
andreas

Take the battery out to save battery life - you'll lose some settings (namely the clock) but nothing major. Though the standby life is good.
Also, lock the device and tell it not to allow any other button pushed when locked. Should do the trick

incubus72 said:
hello,
i would like to turn off completely since
- every time when a notification comes up - the screen turns on - and sometimes it happens that i hit the screen or a button in the pocket ...
- i'd like to save battery
but i guess that's not pissible ?
thank you.
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As others said - turn all radio off in the comm manager. then just lock the screen (on to today screen, tap on "Device unlocked"). Now, even if the device comes on, there's no problem. And battery consumption is minimal, I think. Oh, and change "Start-Settings-Buttons-Lock" to "Lock all buttons expect power button".
Stefan

Display stays dimmed

I know I know there are tons of topics about this
But here this out. I ve got the problem for about a week and hope some one can help me out.
After 30 secs my screen goes to dimmed-fase ( correctly as I setted )
And after 1 min. it suppose to auto turn it off but, it does try to by it only locks it down so the screen stays dimmed and doesnt go in standby ( total black screen and stuff )
Any one know what this might be?
Ive check the power settings and I have ticked the auto turn off after a ... minutes not used :S
So hope some one can help me out cause it drains my poor battery

sounds like a software issue, perhaps someone here knows the correct registry settings applicable to powersaving

I hope some one knows Cause I thought there were more folks that are looking for this

is it plug in for recharging? if yes, it's normal, during rechargind, it dimms out after 30 mins or so (please check both options, to dim out after 1-2 mins.)

Nope just normal use, so I sure hope some one knows the right registry setting to it

When plugged in USB and sync with PC, the Touch HD stays on with dimmed backlight. No matter how long the settings to turn off the backlight, the backlight still keep on its minimum level.
This is totally different with my Hermes, which the backlight can turn completely off after some time.

ahlok_hk said:
When plugged in USB and sync with PC, the Touch HD stays on with dimmed backlight. No matter how long the settings to turn off the backlight, the backlight still keep on its minimum level.
This is totally different with my Hermes, which the backlight can turn completely off after some time.
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I noticed that happens even when using a bluetooth to sync. No matter cable or not, connected activesync keeps light on.

Arrggh? Does no one know the right registry key value to it ? its quit annoying

*bump*
Really no one knows anything about this

same problem for me
I use LumOS, are you using it too ?

I removed LumOS, and everything is good now

Do you have MobileMagic installed?
I did and it had 'Stay On' activated in its settings which meant it always stayed on!
Might be the case here too!

koxx said:
I removed LumOS, and everything is good now
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Even if my HD has no LumOS or Mobile Magic (from hard reset), the problem (backlight stays on during USB sync) still exist.
P.S. My previous X1 has the same behaviour...

koxx said:
I removed LumOS, and everything is good now
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Well I had it installed but I removed it later one cause I didnt liked it too much
But the problem still occurs so there most be a registry value that didnt change with the install :\ or something

I've looked up some registry value's but really dont know which one i've have to edit
or if I even have looked up the right one
BatteryTimeOut 30
BatteryTimeoutTemp 0
BatteryTimeoutUnchecked 0
Maybe some one that still has the function that the screen goes black after a while.
Can look up the registry value's ? here is the path I dont know if i'm looking at the right point:
HKCU\\ControlPanel\Backlight
Maybe some one is kind enough to list all of there value in this map ?
PS:
My problem is that my blacklight doesnt go fully to black and that's when using it normal. Not connected to anything or something .
It usualy goes to black after a XX amount of time. but that doesnt happen any more :\

Dang no one is offering his self up too look up those registery valves

Guys, the fix is simple. You must have turned on the Autolock feature using HD Tweak or Advanced Config.
If yes, just turn it off.

I have got the autolock function on, did it via HDtweak
Havent check it via Advanced config.
But I dont know what you mean with the last sentence?
Should I turn it on or off?
Edit:
Well dang you were right, i've turned off the autolock function.
And now the display does go to black.
But I find it strange that it worked nicely a few weeks ago and now the problem occurs
so any idea?

*bump*
still no one has found the solution?

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Why alarm doesn't wake me up if Xperia is off?

Hello! I'm new but I have a big problem. In the enening when I go to bed I often turn off my Experia so I'm not interrupted at night and I can save my baterry. But the problem is that alarm in the morning doesn't want to ring and doesn't want to turn Xperia on back. I found recently the page on the web where somenoe said that it needs to be doen some hidden tweaks so that the WM doesn't try to look how full the baterry is before it sturts up. I can't find that page on the web again so can someone help me with this settings?
Than you.

use flight mode.
x1 cant wake up when off

I don't think any Windows Mobile phone is capable of waking itself up when it's powered down.

you probably use just as much power turning the phone on as you would have used leaving it in stand by..... just sayin'

OK, so I have tried flight mode and it works but anyway does anyone know the hidden settings to change verifiing battery from wm before it turns on again?
Oh, and another problem on my Xperia. I noticed that when I don't use it the screen (backlight) aproximetely every once in 2 minutes turns on again (my power settings are: turn backlight off after 30 sec, standby mode after 1 minute). I think that why battery last only 3 days. Can anyone know how to fix this problem? Thanks.

donci3 said:
OK, so I have tried flight mode and it works but anyway does anyone know the hidden settings to change verifiing battery from wm before it turns on again?
Oh, and another problem on my Xperia. I noticed that when I don't use it the screen (backlight) aproximetely every once in 2 minutes turns on again (my power settings are: turn backlight off after 30 sec, standby mode after 1 minute). I think that why battery last only 3 days. Can anyone know how to fix this problem? Thanks.
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Change your configuration : Settings / system/ ilumination (check here the items you have enable or disable "enable ilumination".

Well basically, your device is off when you turn turn off the screen.

Not quite. You can always leave a lot of applications running with the screen off.

So what kind of setting to save as much as it can for battery or what kind of app du you recomend?

First, as someone already said, a WM device can not turn itself on when powered down.
To conserve battery... well just make sure no CPU intensive apps are running in the background, wifi, BT, data connection are off and use auto backlight setting.

Most smartphones don't turn themselves on for alarm (WM, UIQ Symbian, S60 Symbians), but i can't tell for all (iPhone does as i've heard, no idea about Android).

PDA is not Mobile Phone.
It has operation system etc.
To run PDA you need about 1 minute for loading all components of OS.
To run Mobile Phone Alarm needs no load components of OS, just display and sound.
In PDA sound can be played with help of driver and so on.
In Mobile Phone just tiny assembler program and clock-chip.

I know my alarm worked before with Touch-It rom. But since I flashed with WM6.5 and my alarm doesn't go off when the screen is off. There's no way around this?

I can't trust the alarm at all, it sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Same on stock rom and 6.5. G-alarm is much better though..

Are you talking about turning the phone off completely,or turning off to the standby stage ? If you use the standby stage, it works fine, and hardly uses any power in this mode.

Need something that keeps backlight on!!

As I posted before, my TD2 goes black when using TomTom on battery.
Normally, my backlight dims after 30secs, and the screen goes off after 1 minute of inactivity.
With TomTom running, no backlight dimming, but screen blanks after 2 minutes. On battery power (in my car) no probs at all. I have the latest rom. I reinstalled TomTom several times. No solution. Tried all the settings in Settings-More-Power-Advanced. No solution. Edited the registry, no solution.
However, I have a prog called RunGPS. There is a small button: keep backlight on function. If I press that button, the screen stays on. If I switch to TomTom, it also stays on. Downside is, RunGPS keeps a dataconnection active.
So, it has to be possible to make some application that does only one thing: keep backlight on, or leave it to the TD2. Is this possible to create..??

Try ScreenOn:
http://www.appliedpda.com/downloads/details/12

ageye g-light

Too bad.. both don't work. Screen-On doesn't come up with something; I just click it and that's it, no prog or text saying something is active. And after a few seconds.. screen-off.
G-light does have TomTom as exception with option "keep backlight always on" and after two minutes... Yep. Screen-Off...

I use S2U2 on my Diamond 2 and you can insert an exception to stop the device going into suspend/sleep mode when using TomTom on battery.

Chippa said:
I use S2U2 on my Diamond 2 and you can insert an exception to stop the device going into suspend/sleep mode when using TomTom on battery.
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Can you be a bit more specific? I installed S2U2, and found the registry settings; just added TomTom Navigator.exe there. But after 2 minutes.. my screen is blank...

gyedema said:
Too bad.. both don't work. Screen-On doesn't come up with something; I just click it and that's it, no prog or text saying something is active. And after a few seconds.. screen-off.
G-light does have TomTom as exception with option "keep backlight always on" and after two minutes... Yep. Screen-Off...
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i'm sorry, you're right.
after 2 minutes the screen goes of..
I tried Lumos with my garmin mobile XT and that seems to work. it also has exceptions. Just insert the name of the program as mentioned in the task manager.

Added TT in the exceptions.
After 30secs screen goes off...

gyedema said:
Added TT in the exceptions.
After 30secs screen goes off...
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installed tomtom 7 and tried adding it to lumos and it worked fine for me..
i added 'TomTom Navigator' as an exception

I have this problem too - except that mine goes off after 10 minutes. I am wondering if it has anything to do with some programs I have experimented with lately, notably ones to make the battery level appear as a percentage number rather than a small number of bars, and another to add more colourful icons. Have you added anything similar? Unfortunately, the battery level application has no uninstall (it does not show up in "Remove Programs").
Any ideas?
Filbert

Yes, I did install several things but also did several hard-resets. Nothing helped. I even found settings in the registry regarding backlight power but also no effect.
I mailed the problem to HTC and received an answer today; I have to contact the callcenter for a repair.... so I guess there's something buggy in the Topaz...
**EDIT** Just made a phone call with HTC. Very polite; they come and pick up the phone and will return it somewhere between 5-10 days. Hopefully they find something that will do the trick..

Problem solved: TD2 came back after a day or 5 from HTC repair. Backlight stays on when unchecked, and stays on while apps are running that needs that (like tomtom).
No idea what they have done, but it works..