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I cant see much info on costs per megabyte for GPRS on the vodafone price plans, apart from £7.50 per meg, surely this must be wrong when O2 charge £2.35???
Anyone using Vodafone? can you verify this?
I live in a rubbish signal area (apart from Vodafone, so Orange, T-Mobile & O2 are not really an option)
Thanks
Derek
Just to let you know that after over a week someone got back to me from Vodafone Customer Support, and quoted that their rate depended on tariffs, but mentioned 7.5p per kilobyte. Thats right KILOBYTE
Now lets do the math... my god, thats £75.00 for a meg!
Surely she's wrong.. so I replied to the email with utter amazement, i'll let you know further developments,
Someone on this board must be using the xda with vodafone in the uk, cant you let us know if this is accurate?
Or looking at this data charge perhaps not!
http://www.all-vodafone.co.uk/info_pages/tariffs.shtml
.75p per kb for pay as you go, .235 on higher end subscriptions, so GBP 7.50 is right, GBP75.00 is wrong. 75/MB is only found on GPRS roaming at the moment. (Well, almost, anyway...)
But surely the £7.50 you described would in fact be for 100k transferred, which is a tenth of what I'm talking about!
I meant "per meg" to compare with o2's price of £2.35 per meg.
If you still dont believe my maths with kbs to megs look here...
http://familyinternet.about.com/library/weekly/aa052401a.htm
unless as I said that there is something odd going in in the way Vodafone charges for data, on PAYG then it should be renamed to PTTN "paying through the nose!"
I havent seen anyone comment on typical data usage for GPRS on this forum, so here goes. On average using my xda to check emails several times a day, I've been getting through 16megs a month with hardly any websurfing, thats just POP & SMTP traffic using O2.
Which is a total of [email protected]£2.35 a meg = £37.60 just on data!
Now, theoretically on Vodafone PAYG
16x£75.00 = £1200 for the same amount of data!
Admittedly this would be on their Pay as you go Tariff, as per XDA developer Peter Poelman
On the monthly tariffs, it would be
0.235x1000 (to get price per meg)
=£2.35 (per meg)
Total £37.60 for 16 megs
which is the same price as O2
Utter Madness on Vodafone Pay as You Go :evil: - I can only conclude that unless the vodafone pricing is incorrect somehow, nobody would ever be able to afford to use the xda using GPRS on that network tariff for email, let alone web surfing!
Isnt it a shame GPRS is so generally so highly priced. Perhaps they dont want it to become too popular...
In a reasonable and "ideal" world, we'd pay a third of that, more like a tenner for 16 megs.
derekcfoley said:
But surely the £7.50 you described would in fact be for 100k transferred, which is a tenth of what I'm talking about!
I meant "per meg" to compare with o2's price of £2.35 per meg.
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.75p / kB = 7.5p/10kB
7.5p/10kB = 75p/100kB
75p/100kB = GBP7.50/1MB
Hey guys, I checked my GPRS mobile usage on my o2 online bill and found out that my 5MB has been all used up and that i have run up a bill of an extra £3.47. Am i the only one that has started being charged for it or is the end of the "deal"?
Euan
i've just checked my unbilled usage on the o2 website and havent been charged for gprs yet
i got unlimited data for free from work (vodafone) today, so damn nice to stream SR Street etc etc..
how long have ya guys had free on o2?
nope no charges for me neither
"Free" GPRS was an introductory offer on Business Data Sense tariffs only (i.e. joint Voice/Data)- NOT Data5. It finished on Jan 31:-
Business Data Sense
O2 Business Data Sense is the standard data tariff available with O2 business voice tariffs for 2+ connections. Business Data Sense allows you to use our Mobile Web and Mobile Web VPN services and our DataLink solutions. O2 Active WAP browsing is free with Business Data Sense. Business Data Sense is currently free of charge until 31st January 2006. Use of Business Data Sense during the promotional period is subject to a fair use policy of 36 MB of data per month. If a customer exceeds 36 MB in a given month, we may ask the customer to reduce their usage of the service. If usage continues to exceed 36 MB per month, O2 may be required to move the user to another O2 data tariff. When charging commences on 1st February 2006, the first ½ Megabyte (MB) of Mobile Web / Data Bearer access is free each month, then after that access is priced at £1.80 per Mb.
To be fair it is actually swings and roundabouts and it is totally dependant upon your billing platform.
Which, as no one has stated which tariff they are actually on, makes this thread rather pointless :lol:
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Which, as no one has stated which tariff they are actually on, makes this thread rather pointless :lol:
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Bingo, you win this thread
I haven't been charged for use this month either and I am on bog standard O2 200.
Depending on whether you took it online or direct from a store then you'll get one of two seperate allowances.
1Mb for online customers.
100kb for store direct customers.
Oddly enough, I've been really abusing (by this I mean a LOT of usage) the GPRS for nearly 2 years now and I haven't been charged once. Not sure if tarrif makes any difference as I switched tarrifs a few times...
//Xi
Same as me, but I'm on a staff tariff, so I put it down to that.
Meh.
There has been an ongoing sporadic discussion regarding the best data plan in the UK, with the suggestions that T-Mobile (who have HSDPA but only 84% coverage) and Orange (who are expected to announce £8pcm unlimited internet) are the cheapest.
I have just spoken to O2 as my contract with them is coming to an end. Their retentions department says that they have realised that they are no longer competitive on data and will be making an announcement in the next month or so (it was suppiosed to be by the end of this month), with a view to offering more competitive data allowances - presumably to compete with T-Mobile.
they already do £10/month unlimited data but they don't shout about it.
"blackberry unlimited monthly roaming"
from 3g.co.uk/3gforum they say its £10 for 20mb on o2. Rip off.
I've just moved to Three, they're brill!! £5 a month for unlimited (1 gig) or
£10 (sign up for 12 months and u get a free slingbox!!) for slingbox and orb on the move as well as your gig data.
I got a crap phone (LG u300) so i got half price line rental for 18 months and put the sim in my xda exec.
I'm paying: £27.50 a month for 18 months which gets me:
£17.50 (hplr) 300 mins, 1000 texts a month
£10 x-series gold which gives me:
80 hours orb & slingbox use (more than 2.5 hours a day!)
5000 skype minutes (more than 2.6 hours a day!)
1gb data
Unbeatable tbh!! i'm just setting up my 3g settings (if i can find them) and I've just setup my slingbox, sky tv on the move!! plus my music/videos on my pc through orb!! how awesome!!
3 ftw!
You guys think thats a rip off, be glad your not in canada? $1 CDN = 0.454 GBP.
Canada Data Plans
10 GBP = $22... for $25 we get 3MB
O2 Unlimited Blackberry roaming
Be careful
O2's blackberry unlimited roaming doesnt include data , just email - the only one the unlimited is on is a RIM Blackberry device, blackberry connect devices which the xda exec is does not include it.
I took out a contract with CPW O2 (Car phone warehouse managed the aaccount but the same conditions apply) and was sold the unlimited blackberry bundle, I noticed that my online credit allowance was going down when I queried this I was advised that the charge was for data and I had run up £30 (the unlimited £10 pm brings down the mb charge to £1 per meg)
I fought this and was advised that I was mis sold the item , as I love my xda and also have paid for the insurance policy via the CPW which allows a cancellation of contract as 6 months on a 18 month policy I have stook with it.
I could have got a blackberry 8800 but I use tomtom and the blackberry doesnt support this and I dont like the blackberry maps.
Be careful when asking for the unlimited roaming as it is not what it seems - I have found out to my cost , I use wifi at home on the phone so im not bothered about the internet whilst out ....
The plus's outweigh the negatives !!
stualpha said:
I've just moved to Three, they're brill!! £5 a month for unlimited (1 gig)
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So if there is a 1GB cap, where does the unlimited part come in?
they advertise it as unlimited, as soon as you hit 1gig they don't just stop the service, you get a SMS alert to warn you of approaching the limit, then if you continue to "abuse" the service they restrict it.
So it's not a cap per se but more of a fair usage policy. But in all fairness the other mobile carriers do the same. 1 gig on a phone is a lot of data though! that doesn't count towards the slingbox or orb usage either!
Hi,
i have started paying for unlimited Orange evening and weekend browsing for £5/month.
I am just wondering if the free data is for the orangeinternet access point, or is it just if you use the orangewap one. Also can I browse to any website, basically download apps etc, and not just restricted to Orange World site?
I am just afraid of building up a giant bill at the end of the month!
I use a Trinity with LVSW Rom 2.0.1.1.
Thanks
Be very afraid of running up a big bill - it is in fact extremely limited, with a monthly cap of 30Mb. That is fine if you are just browsing wap pages, but if you want to do anything like browse the 'real' internet, use something like google maps (which with built in GPS you may well want to), download music/video then it's useless.
I'm so disappointed with this offer - T-Mobile have a similar tarrif, yet their cap is 1Gb a month. I've been waiting for ages for Orange to offer something similar, so when I called them yesterday and was told about the cap, I didn't bother. A real shame because in all others ways I love the M700.
To answer your question though, when I asked the data was not limited to Orange world - the only thing you were not supposed to use it for was as a wireless modem for your laptop, although I don't know how they enforce this.
I think you are referring to the £8 pm anytime rate?
The £5 pm off peak is capped at 1GB, but no VOIP or Modem use allowed
Yes u r thinking of the £8 pm anytime rate.
£5 = Unlimted (1gb) between 7pm and 11:59
£8 = Anytime browsing (30mb)
Both exclude modem use !
I hope im rite, i work for Orange Retail.
Ah that's interesting - the Orange CS guy I spoke to yesterday seemed to think that they were both capped at 30Mb. If the evening and weekends one is 1Gb, that sounds more like it.
Do you know what the rate is for data outside of the evening and weekend period on the £5 bundle?
I would be interested to hear what other people have been told when calling Orange CS.
Thanks for that.
ill find the exact answers for both things.
If i can find time ill ring up the facts people for Orange and ask them directly. It beats CS people !
ewans said:
Ah that's interesting - the Orange CS guy I spoke to yesterday seemed to think that they were both capped at 30Mb. If the evening and weekends one is 1Gb, that sounds more like it.
Do you know what the rate is for data outside of the evening and weekend period on the £5 bundle?
I would be interested to hear what other people have been told when calling Orange CS.
Thanks for that.
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£3 per MB for 1st 15MB then £1 per MB thereafter (ie VERY expensive!!)
And you can't have more than one bundle on the account, so can't opt for unlimited Off Peak, plus 30MB daytime
kame1986 said:
Yes u r thinking of the £8 pm anytime rate.
£5 = Unlimted (1gb) between 7pm and 11:59
£8 = Anytime browsing (30mb)
Both exclude modem use !
I hope im rite, i work for Orange Retail.
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Are the "evening" hours not actually 19.00 to 07.00?
AFAIK the evening hours are 19:00 to 7:00 which run from Friday to Monday for the weekend part.
From all the info I have found the eve and w/end cap is 1Gb and for some bizarre reason the £8 unlimited cap is 30Mb.
I don't see the reasoning for imposing a tiny cap for daytime usage and a 1Gb cap for eve w/end. Why not just have the same cap for all packages?!
When I use Orange's web account services it allows me to add their daily capped bundle as I have their eve w/end bundle (on a 2 months trial). That means that I am only charged a maximum of £1.50 per day (which is still too much, but at least it's something). I was told by an Orange monkey that this daily cap is limited to 30Mb aggregate over the month and after that they start charging at their per Mb prices.
It's all a huge con, small print type stuff. Unless OFCOM grow some nuts and outlaw these so called "unlimited" deals the carriers will carry on as they are, ripping us all off.
£5 = Unlimted (1gb) between Mon - Fri 7pm and 7am Then as of Friday its 7am till Monday 7am.
£8 = Anytime browsing (30mb)
Both exclude modem use !
0-3Mb = £3
4-14MB = £2
15+MB = £1
This what read from the terms and conditions in the magazine !
When I got "unlimited data" bundle with fair usage policy of 250MB, i thought it should be more than enough for a month. However, just checked my online orange account and i have already used all 250 mb with 10 days before the start of new month/bundle.
Used phone for browsing and youtube + emails. However, didn't anticipate that it will take 250mb. Now it seems a very small allowance. Any idea if I can still increase my package to 500MB ? (contract already 20 days old now - it was month 15 upgrade). or may be Orange will increase all unlimited bundles in near future ?
Secondly, is there a GPRS monitor for HD? I mean is there a way to monitor how much MBs of data has been used so far or being used by an application like youtube or during browsing? So that one can monitor his use.
Thanks
SPB have a GPRS monitor
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/wirelessmonitor/?en
EDIT : I don't know if it works with the HD though - I assume it does.
omg that is really much.
i just upgraded my german vodafone tariff to 200 mb for the next month.
i hope that will be enough.
i think youtube takes a lot of traffic. especially when you activate high quality.
The reason I wanted to stay with T-Mobile UK.... it's 1GB fair usage policy.
The phone cost me more to get it on T-Mobile (Thru Expansys) but the 1GB was more valuable to me.
Paul.Ferrari said:
SPB have a GPRS monitor
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/wirelessmonitor/?en
EDIT : I don't know if it works with the HD though - I assume it does.
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SPB GRPS Monitor is now called SPB Wireless Monitor and works perfectly on the HD.
I used up 45mb in just a week with just basic browsing and emails, didnt even download anything yet.
I would cut down on YouTube, that's where the big usage goes. General browsing and stuff is generally next to nothing.
I just upgraded to this bundle. I was never sold it as 'unlimited' though? The lady explained it was a 250 meg package for £7.50, the next package down was 4 meg for £4!?!? bit of a difference!
After the 250 meg, what happens? You carry on with standard usage, £1.50 cap a day?
I use Opera mini on my M700/P3600 and so far in the last 3 weeks I've only used about 70Mb. I've probably browsed every day, sometimes for up to 4 or 5 hours constantly but mainly on forums and phone review sites. Does Opera Mini compress the pages more than the version that ships with the WM 6.1 phones?
1 youtube 2-3min video is about +/-10mb, that's a lot! i stopped watching youtube on my HD
I used 50MB in a couple of days after watching a couple of things on YouTube. Since then though I've only used around 10MB in email in occasional browsing.
Spb wireless monitor is brilliant. shows the breakdown of all data used through different channels. Ideal to monitor how much data ie being used. It showed em how much YOUTUBE cost. I guess that was the reason I managed to finish 250MB in 20 days.
Have to cut down on youtube now , though it is very addictive and I wish , Orange had a better data package with atleast 1gb.
luckey me i have 5gb free and after that they just cap the speed it still dosent cost anny extra
but i have used 3gb now since the 1st dec
i have questioned orange re exceeding fair usage and was informed on many occasions that i wont be charged but warned if im constantly exceeding my limit.
with o2 free unlimited web bolt on..... free unlimited land line bolt on...
happy days...
orange do an unlimited evening and weekend package for £5 a month with 1gb fair usage. also the £1.50 daily cap.
the unlimited 250 usage package they are offering at the moment is a joke. they sell the hd with this package but it expires after 3months anyway and then automatically puts you on the unlimited evening and weekends package.
i have my emails updating every two hours and am signed into msn most days, outside of the evening and weekend package with the daily cap my gprs charges have only been about £12 in a month.
From the day I got the Touch HD (Wednesday) to the Monday just gone, (so about 4 days), I have used 0.075MB.
Anyway, I asked and the guy said the 250MB is a guide. I suggested that if I used 260MB they wouldn't charge me, but a big excess in data usage would result in a flag of your account.
However, "excessive" hasn't been quantified yet.
davgom said:
orange do an unlimited evening and weekend package for £5 a month with 1gb fair usage. also the £1.50 daily cap.
the unlimited 250 usage package they are offering at the moment is a joke. they sell the hd with this package but it expires after 3months anyway and then automatically puts you on the unlimited evening and weekends package.
i have my emails updating every two hours and am signed into msn most days, outside of the evening and weekend package with the daily cap my gprs charges have only been about £12 in a month.
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WHAT ???? Y would it expire after 3 months? 250MB/unlimited data bundle is part of the contract on Panther 45. (choice b/w Unlimited Landline, Unlimited Txts or 250MB Data). It is supposed to be for the whole length of the contract i.e., 18 months.
Are they using 250MB for guide only? But I have checked my online account on Orange and I am already been charged for like £1.6 + approx. for data use outside my package. I guess they are using 250MB limit strictly. However, to compete with other networks, they should really increase it.
orange are lame and stingy when it comes to data, i mean they got/had exclusive rights to the Touch HD: a multimedia communication device, designed to keep you connected, informed and updated; all of which require a data connection.
Yet their measly fair usage policy limits the potential of the device itself and disables you from using it for its true designed purpose.
My brother uses, youtube, internet (and many things that require a data connection) without even thinking about data usage and fair crappy usage policies on his iphone, o2 provide users of the iphone with an all you can eat buffet (another reason why iphone is doing well)
Orange is like those cheap short-haul airlines, everything extra costs you extra extra
Excuse me drifting off-topic ever so slightly, but can anyone tell me:
How fussy are Orange about the use of their 1GB off-peak service?
The small print seems to prohibit instant messaging, any kind of non-orange streaming etc.
Do they really make a fuss or block users for small amounts of such usage?
Do they block any ports?
- Steve
marcopolo007uk said:
The reason I wanted to stay with T-Mobile UK.... it's 1GB fair usage policy.
The phone cost me more to get it on T-Mobile (Thru Expansys) but the 1GB was more valuable to me.
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Ditto.
Loving the HD on T-Mobile.