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Even though the XDAIIi cam is 1.3mp the images it produces are awfull!
The upgrade from 0.3mp to 1.3mp is a big selling point for this device, and some people are making the upgrade based on this alone!
Ive taken a couple of pics for you guys to compare.
Any confirmations or comments are welcome!
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Why aren't you guys more talkative?
RE
OK bro!
From the 3 photos posted the one by XDA II is definitely the best.
Have you make sure the XDA IIi got its best setting for the resolution concerned like its ambience, contrast, saturation, gamma and sharpness?
I would like to upgarde to IIi if its available in my country but now I have second thought after seeing its camera capability. I hope when it's release it would have the camera issue resolved.
Well, it looks worse but it may just be your brightness, contrast, etc..
Hey, BTW, when did XDAII start taking photos at 480x960? Mine can only do 480X640 no matter how I tweak the settings... Did I miss something?
dewild1 said:
Well, it looks worse but it may just be your brightness, contrast, etc..
Hey, BTW, when did XDAII start taking photos at 480x960? Mine can only do 480X640 no matter how I tweak the settings... Did I miss something?
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Well spotted!
No, that was my mistake it was only 480x640.
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I have tinkered with the settings somewhat, I tried to match them before taking the shots and have tinkered with the XDAIIi settings alone to try and improve it aswell, however no luck.
There is a 'night' settings on the IIi although it makes the pics even worse, and has white flecks all over the image!
It's such a shame, WM2003 SE is great! Integrated WiFi is awesome!
This cam really lets it down though.
I've finally made my decision:
Mines going back. It just doesn't cut it.
So then, how long before the next WM device from O2?
And what can we expect?
upgrade the ROM and see~
Have U ungrade ur ROm to i-mate's latest ROm? I realize that the camera's "nightmode" indeed remove those white flecks. But I admit my xdaII's camera (WM2003SE download from xda-developer) is nicer than the original PDA2's camera
On my PDA2,I reckon the resolution is much higher; it's hard to tell on computer screen but once U magifiy it (ZOOM in) then U will find L is L (640x480) and why we need XL 1024x640
The next concern: anyone know any patch or .cab to improve the camera spec in order to get better quality of pic? cheers~
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The quality very depends on the settings and adjustments. I took 5 pics(3 indoor,2 outdoor)with my Himalaya(VGA Cam). There are too many differences which causes the adjustments. Take a look...
I am pretty much dissapointed with the pictures I have obtained with my Universal's built in camera.
Sometimes - most of the times - dont really beleive it is a 1.3 MPixels cam.
So,
1. Do you think using another software to take pictures would improve performance/quality?
2. It is possible to use another software to manage the camera?
3. Maybe, it's just me not being able to use it properly. Any advice to get good quality pictures?
have you checked the pictures on your pc?
i thought this until i looked on the pc and they were actually pretty impressive, dont be fooled my the on screen preview after youve taken a pic
yes... checked them out on a PC.. but no good quality. The problem is that if you're taking good quality pictures.. the it must be me.. :?
Anyway I recon that good pictures can be obtained under good conditions (light, etc.), but indoors... no way, at least for me.
i've seen on my HTC wizard that in the registery the camera can be edited things like bitrate too, havent tried it yet.
Ive gone from a D500 to this. Both 1.3 megapixel cameras, but the images from the samsung are far larger and far better quality. The images I get from my XDA are terrible.
maybe -hope so - it's just the software.
Could the camera be used with another soft? maybe from another WM5 device.
HTC has used extremely cheap and low quality camera sensors :-( Theres not much you can expect from its camera....so i guess its wise to accept the fact and move on :S
There are tons of dead pixels, and fails to reproduce the colors accurately...its just a "i have a cam on my phone too" feature, and nothing of any practical use!
cheerio
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its enough to get the point across say car accident , for insurance or the poice, it would be enough to convince surlly.
Took some pictures yesterday for first time on Universal, on top of a hospital roof, sun shining.
So as normally happens in those situations you can not see what you are taking properly due to the screen contrast etc. in the sun. ( same on all camera phones I have had )
Just used the standard settings, didnt change anything, have just downloaded them onto the PC and I am quite impressed with the quality.
On par if not better than some of the camera phones I have had in the past.
Just checked settings and I was on 640 x 480 capture size and ambience auto.
So for me a thumbs up to the quality from a camera phone.
share one of those beautiful pics...
wanna check if it's just me..
Perhaps a silly question - but have you made sure your camera settings are at 2M (1200x1600) to take your photos. The exec defaults to a much smaller size.
cheers
hehe, yes.. thanks.
I'm just saying that quality doesnt fit in in a 1.3 Mpixels camera, my POV.
The camera is useless imho. sometimes its good to catch stupid pics of people who have parked terribly or funny signs on petrol station doors but all in all they would have been best just leaving it out.
The only solution is to get a decent camera.
JAmes
I'm an amateur photographer (with the lovely Nikon D50), and no doubt the Universal's picture quality is not very good. However, I see it as a bonus add-on for the Universal rather than a proper feature. Say, I don't carry the Nikon D50 into my lessons at school all the time (until recently, when we had our very last lessons at school for the rest of my life!); with the Universal I was able to quickly take pictures of my classmates sleeping in our maths lessons or film our chemistry teacher burning jelly babies (they literally scream and burn when they react with some solution!).
Anyway, my conclusion is that the camera on the Universal is good for quick snaps, but not good for family portraits. :wink:
PS: HTC, come on, you call yourselves "High Tech Computer Corporation" and you can't even manage a tiny camera?
Whilst on the topic, yesterday I tried to take pictures of a beautiful wheat field in the sun, but the picture I got was just a very dark image, no matter where the sun was relative to the lens. Changing the settings to "Sunlight" or "Automatic" did not help either.
Very disappointed, and you don't often get this lovely weather in the UK!
To the OP, there's no easy way to say it: the camera is crap, like 99.99% of all mobile phone cameras. The CCD they use are cheap as dirt, and unless you're experiencing optimum conditions (such as bright, bright sunshine outdoors), there's no way you'll ever take any decent pic with this phone regardless of the software.
Glad I could clear that up! :twisted:
It does not seem that bad to me,
settings = 2M(1600x1280) and daylight
I have not resized the pic , so sorry if it runs off screen :wink:
This is just before my ride to Turkey and back from UK
Stu..
Bagmanstu:
Nice outfit!
mdaexecfan said:
there's no way you'll ever take any decent pic with this phone regardless of the software.
Glad I could clear that up! :twisted:
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Exactly - it's a phone/PDA with a free camera, not a camera with a phone/PDA... Miracles you will not get!
The quality is acceptable to me but getting the best result is sometimes difficult. My major problem the handling, choosing the right settings for the occasion is a bit awkward.
@Bagmanstu: Cool
I would like to start a project to make a better camera app.
In other posts there are people talking about the bad quality of the chip or the lens.
I think they are right about that, but I think the program itself could be better.
I think there is a lot of compression made in the program.
Now I'm not a programmer so that is my problem.
What I am interested about is to get a picture right from the chip. Without any compression and without any contrast, sharpness and brightness adjustment. Then we really know how bad the chip and lens are. After that we can try to adjust some things and look at compression.
Is there anybody crazy enough to create anything like this?
If it works we might be able to get real photos out of our Wizard
Feel free to react or correct me if I'm wrong
Hm, IMHO the lens are also not the best quality (not to forget the devices are made in Taiwan) and the price has to be under certain limits.
Also it's only a 1.3 Mpx camera. Second i don't think you can take out compression from bitmap at daylight ...
Raul
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There are way of writting your own camera software.
Have a look on:
http://teksoftco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52
Cheers,
Radu
hi all this tweak will allow the camera to save images at a less compressed jpeg rate, meaning that the image is sharper and more detailed, the image increasement has been noted though out the tread my many people to be a huge improvement, i also thing my mod works well and with it you can get soem very detailed sharp images, their are a few ways to install the mod and also a few camera settings you can use to get the best possible piture from ur hd2 after installing this mod, please read below for all info you may need to get the best out of ur device
INSTALATION only need to do one of these three.
1) edit the registry ur self and replace the values like below.
HKLM\software\htc\camera\image\jpegquaity\superfine
replace the 5Msize = 643628 value with 746028
2) install the cab "HD2 746028 SuperFine Camera Tweak" a friend created from bottom of post it only does what the above reg tweak does nothing else is changed
3) install BsB Tweaks 1.5, y registry mode is now included with this tweak app which i might add i think is a must for the hd2
BEFORE AND AFTER SHOTS FROM ME AND OTEHRS ON THIS THREAD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5157324&postcount=107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5135805&postcount=55
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5135911&postcount=56
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5130666&postcount=3
SOME RANDOM SHOTS AFTER MODE
superfine, average focus, 5mp + with quality tweak
superfine, center area focus, 5mp + with quality tweak
Have you tried it? Just being present in the registry doesn't mean it will be always working.
5Msize = 643628
8Msize = 746028
these are the default valuses im trying this now
test1
5Msize = 746028
8Msize = 746028
ok here test1 results:-
autoWB / 5mp / superfine / noflash
---before---/---after----
indoorWB / 5mp / superfine / noflash
---before---/---after----
both the after shows are sharper and more detailed i think you will agree
picture MB size before / after are also different, so this must mean its made a difference to the picture quality or they would be around the same
pictures at default values are 1.14mb and after their both 1.30mb
Be careful, this could just as easily mean interpolation of your image up to whatever specs you define.
Most probably this simply means that the camera software is capable of working with higher resolution hardware.
I'm not a camera expert
I'm no camera expert, but wouldn't you all agree that there is improvement with the photos when comparing the 5M with the 8M shots. Zooming in on either photo, the images are less blurred and are sharper. And if it were just a software that was being limited by the hardware, then how do you explain the 200kb increase in the data size of the photos. If the camera were only able to support 5 megapixels, then after doing that registry change for higher res shots, wouldn't the images stay the same size?
Actually, after some though, it does look like the improvement isn't enough to make it match 8MP quality, but it does seem to be the case that after doing the tweak within the software to make 8M shots, that it pushed the camera hardware to its absolute maximum performance, slightly improving the quality of the images. So, even though it's not 8-Megapixels, its still an effective method for improving the picture quality even more, right?
DAMIEN123_666 said:
5Msize = 643628
8Msize = 746028
both the after shows are sharper and more detailed i think you will agree
picture MB size before / after are also different, so this must mean its made a difference to the picture quality or they would be around the same
pictures at default values are 1.14mb and after their moth 1.30mb
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What's with the pink hue in the pictures? Didn't you apply the hotfix ?
What's with the pink hue in the pictures? Didn't you apply the hotfix ?
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yes but like most others in fake light, house halogon bulbs the pink is still their but just not as bad, also in day light it seem almost gone
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I'm no camera expert, but wouldn't you all agree that there is improvement with the photos when comparing the 5M with the 8M shots. Zooming in on either photo, the images are less blurred and are sharper. And if it were just a software that was being limited by the hardware, then how do you explain the 200kb increase in the data size of the photos. If the camera were only able to support 5 megapixels, then after doing that registry change for higher res shots, wouldn't the images stay the same size?
Actually, after some though, it does look like the improvement isn't enough to make it match 8MP quality, but it does seem to be the case that after doing the tweak within the software to make 8M shots, that it pushed the camera hardware to its absolute maximum performance, slightly improving the quality of the images. So, even though it's not 8-Megapixels, its still an effective method for improving the picture quality even more, right?
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well id say increasing this must make a difference seen as the values for the 5mpixels are different for the quality u select in the camera app, i.e. under basic/normal/fine/superfine @ the 5msize setting in the reg are all different their approx 85000 higher per each setting,
here another photo their seems to be a good difference look at the black key ring and serial on £5
so... don't You think that megapixel count may be determined by physical aspects like 5mp matrix beeing used? why would the manufacturer want to sell it as a 5mp if it's really 8? it's like digging for tv-out on xperia only because someone found some **** in the registry.
jeeez... I hope You'll get great results and fame for this discovery. seriously.
bronx said:
so... don't You think that megapixel count may be determined by physical aspects like 5mp matrix beeing used? why would the manufacturer want to sell it as a 5mp if it's really 8? it's like digging for tv-out on xperia only because someone found some **** in the registry.
jeeez... I hope You'll get great results and fame for this discovery. seriously.
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i agree with you , however Asus P750 is sold with a hardware VGA screen that runs in QVGA mode... so i guess manufacturers have their own logic...
bronx said:
so... don't You think that megapixel count may be determined by physical aspects like 5mp matrix beeing used? why would the manufacturer want to sell it as a 5mp if it's really 8? it's like digging for tv-out on xperia only because someone found some **** in the registry.
jeeez... I hope You'll get great results and fame for this discovery. seriously.
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i dont think its a mpixel thing now it seems to be the overall quality of the pic, ill explain
the reg files say this for the 5mp in camera setting.....
quality modes:-
basic = 403599
nomral = 468660
fine = 556226
superfine =643628
so maybe this determines the image quality and the htc software is the thing that will support the 8pm not the hardware
ok when i increase the superfine amount x8 my total spacve to take pics drops **** loads, with no tweak i can take 2618pics with the x8 tweak it says i have space for 720pics
ok, so if it's not the hardware, then picture must be interpolated to reach the higher mp count. is there anyone reading this with some more techie knowledge? is it total bull, or just tiny little bullie sh... where are these extra pixels coming from? milions of pixels to be precise...
It seems for increasing the sharpness of the image.
In good lighting it may have better results.
But, in such case, in low lighting conditions it may show more grains/colored pixels.
If it happens so, it will confirm the fact.
I think the better photos are just more sharp and I mean a software sharpening. So I assume it's just the way the HTC software processes the photos to result in smaller files. Kind of a trade-off between sharpness and file size and yes applying software sharpening does increase the file size because of the way JPEG works. The difference is definitely not on par with a 3 million pixel improvement.
For whatever is is worth, and while I agree that if the HD2 had an 8mpx camera HTC would most likely have marketed it as such, the original Nikon D1 camera, when it first came out, was sold as a 2.7mpx camera when in fact the sensor had exactly twice as many pixels. However they chose to bin them together to increase its sensitivity... not saying that this is what is happening here, but just that there have been precedents of manufacturers decreasing the pixel count of their sensors.
The cam may be 8MP, but unless the mod makes the images physically larger in pixel number then its not changing the resolution, its just lowering the compression. That will increase quality on its own. Indeed the pics after the mod are still 5MP, just less compressed. You can set the number to almost anything you like, i set it to 800000 and it works fine. Try higher numbers and see if the quality improves more.
Ok i was very interested in this, so i applied the tweek and took a shot.
Wow it does look better, take a look at this.
Is there a way to enable the 8MP option in the camera menu so that we can select it, this is by far the best pic this phone has taken for me, i dont care what it does and how it does it, but good find.
It works for any number pretty much. Might go wild and try 10Million (from the original 750,000 or so).
I think the 8MP is just a legacy setting, possibly they tried 8MP units in early production samples, but went for 5MP in the end. The registry settings were just not removed.
How interesting. I wonder whats going on....?
Hey everyone!
So i've used the Desire HD's camera for a bit, and I find it's got potential. I used to have a HD2...and remember there was a registry edit fix and also settings in the camera app that were published here on XDA to improve picture quality...well i've found out that pictures are a lot clearer and sharper when these settings are applied on the Desire HD:
Go into the Camera app...
Press the menu button on your desire hd...
Turn OFF auto-focus
in the Image adjustments sub-menu, turn sharpness all the way to 2...
Take pictures, and as a good example of comparison take a before and after picture.
In the after pic, tap on what you want in focus. The overall quality of the picture will be a lot clearer! There is also less noise and the object will be in focus, and pepper and grain effect is largely eliminated! Try it out and report back
Elemental_Fire
Update 1 (00:09-10/12/2010):
Thanks to the knowledge and sharing of fellow XDA members, I have determined that what seems to impact/affect images the most is the sharpness settings. Contrary to my settings, you can also go into Image adjustments in the camera app and turn off the sharpness setting fully. This is done by turning the sharpness circle dial all the way to -2. It seems that when set on default, the sharpness algorithm is ineffective at determining the level of sharpness that should be used. As a result, images are reproduced with unwanted image effects such as distinct grainyness, noise and also seemingly out-of-focus/blury pictures! So you can use either -2 for smooth pictures that are good quality, or +2 for sharper pictures that are good quality! At the end of the day, it depends on what you as the photographer prefer Haha i'm making this sound like the Desire HD is a professional camera...it's certainly more than suitable for quick snaps that won't comprise on good memorable photos in 8MP
Update 2 (00:51- 10/12/2010)
Uploaded sample pictures!
will give this a try in the morning!
Is that +2 I take it not -2? I'll check this out in morning
Sent from my Desire HD
Yep, plus 2
yup the pictures are much better!!
i just hated all tht noise and grainyness!
Thanks a lot!!!
I didnt really notice the difference, I think im just horrid at taking photos haha
they do look slightly better i think!
I haven't tried this yet myself but its nice that the hd remembers these settings after a power cycle - I expected all settings to revert to default.
That does not help any here.
I think the compression is just screwed up very badly, or we don't have anything like a 8MP sensor in our phones.
You can see that very easily if you photograph or film some intricate pattern like in snow, frost, test patterns (printed on paper) or such. It just smears and blurs the hell out of these photographs and no settings in the user interface will help against that.
Now, a sensor actually resolving 8 Megapixels, on the other hand, should be capable of resolving to about four 1920x1080 computer screens worth of distinct pixels. Unfortunately when I view the photographs on the screen, in actuality I still those see smears and other artifacts even when I zoom the image to about ~25% of the screen's. So... ~0.5 MP or less resolution in reality? Beh, fail.
Meh, it is an 8mp sensor...I just assume HTC don't implement and make use of the best available lens, sensor size and compression rate....but the camera isn't bad at all..i'll upload some pictures i've taken recently, they're quite defined! Certainly more clearer, sharper and yet containing less noise than my old HD2 gosh colours on that were washed out
sharpness plus 2 will increase the digital treatment which seems to remove more noise and add more sharpness, maybe a little better than the default semi sharpness which a mess
however the camera is indeed 8MP it is ridiculous to state otherwise!! turn off sharpness all the way to -2 and all this digital artifacts will be gone as well as fake sharpness, you will be able to get full 8MP camera quality without HTC mending with them, you can improve photos further by using the auto fix or high contrast from within the gallery
of course noise will be introduced depending on the available light and of course with sharpness -2 it will be a little soft since it receiving zero digital treatment, take it to any photo editing application and you can boost the sharpness properly
really i don't get all the random posts camera quality, i'm getting amazing results even managed to amaze my iphone 4 colleagues, the only part where HTC really failed is the default noise reduction/sharpness algorithm (Sharpness 0) its a real mess thankfully it can be turned off
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
after using it a few times, im still sticking to my D700
I`m quite happy with the point and click results but for serious pics i use my ancient Canon EOS 500.
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
hamdir said:
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
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agreed 100% with your post. Although the lack of ips is no issue imo.
thank you, ips is only an issue when use the phone flat on your desk or sharing with others, its a slight issue when old desire slcd/amoled, iphone 3Gs and ipads have much better view angles
but yea its no biggie, its my first HTC device where i found no need to flash custom stuff
Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
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Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
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yes nokia n900 and the DHD is better
i will post my results soon in full resolution
Here is a pic i took of my cat earlier today. Open in new tab to see the full resolution.
hamdir said:
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
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Please do!
I for one am interested to finetune my camera app!