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Navman 4410 GPS with Xda II

Anyone using this combination and if so, how are they finding it works in practice, especilally in terms of it conflicting with the use of the phone?
What actually happens when using GPS in car and the phone is answered using Bluetooth Headset - are there any conflicts using the two Bluetooth equipment simultaneously?
Is the GPS signal still retained? Do you manually have to close the phone screen after your call is finished and/or does it then revert to the SmartST screen.
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Any other issues I should know before I purchase the Navman 4410 Bluetooth GPS? I gather that it is now compatibale with the Xda II using the following third party tools:
http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/BTHTools1012.zip
http://www.angeltowns.com/town/bluetooth/EnableCharPin.zip

If you search this forum under navman 4410, you will find a lot o good reponses.
I have the navman 4410, and its perfect, NO PROBLEMS WHAT SO EVER.
You have to load the patches of course.
After the call you have to go to the smartstscreen

I got the navman this week, and i'm unable to make it work with my i-mate. :roll:
the EnableCharPin does'nt seem to work for me.
maybe the file on the server was changed (maybe someone can post here a working file), or maybe it's my i-mate fault, but i just can't to bond the two devices.
Did someone test it AFTER installing the "Bluetooth fix" file?
(the bt fix is from club imate, the link is http://www.cddnet.com/Support/Bluetooth.cab )
:x
Tomer

XDA 2 AND EMTAC BLUETOOTH

Hi everyone
up until today i was using a 3970 with tomtom2 and a b/tooth emtac receiver.Bought a xda2 today and firstly cant get the emtac to bond with thexda think im using the correct passkey of 0183 but the xda keeps saying invalid bluetooth pin :?:
any ideas as im pulling my hair out here,also on a similar subject cant seem to get the xda to even recognise my b/tooth headset,a hbh 30 which was working fine with the ipaq.Hope i can get these issues sorted as the Xda looks great.
Regards
nige

Ohh..well... WELCOME to buggy XDA2 bluetooth!
Try to install the new Bluetooth Tools Patch,maybe fix the prob man!
Regards

nigelfish
I have a rebadged emtec receiver and can confirm that you need to install bluetooth tools (even with the latest ROM).
I have rebonded this thing many times due to ROM upgrades and hard resets, the other day it would not accept 0183. weird. A soft reset fixed this problem.

Thx for the swift reply guys,i will give it a go asap
watch this space
ah well thought it would be to easy,i downloaded the bluetooth tools and still not accepting the passkey of 0183 just saying invalid bluetooth pin.Any other ideas guys?
nige

this may be a stupid question but are you using the keyboard or transcriber to enter 0183?
The keyboard is the way to go here as you can't confirm if transciber is recognising correctly.

emtac problem sorted
Hi evreyone
got the emtac problem sorted thx,passkey turned out to be wrong should have been 2003.So tomtom seems to be ok now,but still cant get my hbh30 bonded,not even seeing it when im on discoverable,so again any ideas would be welcome,and once again thx for all your help with the emtac problem
nige
Update
Hbh 30 now bonded but having trouble/or could be me getting used to it ! /
i can acept calls into the headset ok but making a call from the xda i cannot use the headset just the xda to talk with.Anyone using the microsoft voice command?
Just would like to be able to have full hands free when in car.
Thx for any help offered.

Navman problems with XDA II

Ok having major problems with this unit, I've finally bonded the device to the xda 2 and have installed the software and UK maps onto memory card, I can only select com 7 in the bluetooth profiles for the Navman and when I go into GPS settings in SmartST com 7 is the only one I cant use WTF !!!!!
Also after running SmartST when I next try to run it it runs so slow and eventually locks up I've tried all the patches to no avail I have 70 Mb of memory for running programs so that should be plenty. Anyone haave any Ideas????

Navman problem fixed!!!!!!
Well I managed to figure out what was causing the SmartST software to run rediculously slow on my XDA II.
I noticed that whenever I stopped all programs from running, the Active program would always end up as not responding so I decided to remove the O2 Active user interface and it cured the problem.
It works great totally impressed with it.
WOOHOO

Jarran said:
Ok having major problems with this unit, I've finally bonded the device to the xda 2 and have installed the software and UK maps onto memory card, I can only select com 7 in the bluetooth profiles for the Navman and when I go into GPS settings in SmartST com 7 is the only one I cant use WTF !!!!!
Also after running SmartST when I next try to run it it runs so slow and eventually locks up I've tried all the patches to no avail I have 70 Mb of memory for running programs so that should be plenty. Anyone haave any Ideas????
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Sorry mate , do you have a smart ST professional ora higher version ?
I'm using the Smart ST professional updated , but I bond the gps with the XDA2 , but once Ilaunch the software , I cannot selectany port available in the gps software .
Do you have any idea ?
Thanks

Smartst
I have the Smartst version 2 which has been patched to the latest update.

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Jarran said:
I have the Smartst version 2 which has been patched to the latest update.
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So do I have to buy Smart STprofessional 2 to make it work ?
Thanks a lot
Janaro

Com 7 Port For Navman
I had a similar problem. I had to remove the exisiting bond with the Navman and then soft reset. Then, go into GPS settings and com7 should be available to select. Finally, rebond with Navman device and select com7 from the bluetooth tools options, and hey presto! It took some trial and error but it was worth it, Navman now working perfectly, am looking forward to an extended road test in northern France this weekend!

Re: Com 7 Port For Navman
kernow said:
I had a similar problem. I had to remove the exisiting bond with the Navman and then soft reset. Then, go into GPS settings and com7 should be available to select. Finally, rebond with Navman device and select com7 from the bluetooth tools options, and hey presto! It took some trial and error but it was worth it, Navman now working perfectly, am looking forward to an extended road test in northern France this weekend!
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I have uninstalled the software and installed again , without bonding it yet .
When I launch the smart ST professional 1.91.0011 , there si no port available !!! do you know why ? Can you help me on this matter . Thanks
Janaro

hey hey hey... cool it guys..
I helped a customer set this up, and it worked like a charm..
You have to make sure that before you paired both the deviced, you have to checked the inbound port under settings->bluetooths settings...
then you should be able to selected it later in the program..
oh yes, just a gentle reminder, just install the EnableCharPin software from , else you cannot enter "NAVMAN" as a password.
Cheers
there is another solutions dou, but after I worked on it for another customer, I could not get it to work with his headset using bluetooth.

ChaoZ said:
hey hey hey... cool it guys..
I helped a customer set this up, and it worked like a charm..
You have to make sure that before you paired both the deviced, you have to checked the inbound port under settings->bluetooths settings...
then you should be able to selected it later in the program..
oh yes, just a gentle reminder, just install the EnableCharPin software from , else you cannot enter "NAVMAN" as a password.
Cheers
there is another solutions dou, but after I worked on it for another customer, I could not get it to work with his headset using bluetooth.
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Thank you very much mate for your effort , but to be honest ...still doesn't work !! I have no port available in the Smart St Professional window !!! I have done all your path several times , no sign . I have also tried the other bluethooths tools , nothing . I launch the softare but no port available . I can pair the devices but then I cannot get the GPS signal to the software !!Any other idea ?
Janaro

Navman problems
Hi guys -
I'm also having problems with setting up my Navman 4410. I had it working on my XDA2 (after a struggle) when using ROM version 1.03, but I've now upgraded to ROM V1.60.50 which is the latestest relase from 02. Since then I'm having the same problems as Janaro - there is no com7 available in SmartST (v2.00.0029 SP1). The default bluetooth com port is COM4 but it does not appear to bond correctly.
I've tried the recommendation from Kernow but I still cannot get it to work
Has anybody got any ideas ?
Alan

Have you got "Recieve all incoming beams" unticked. Start\settings\connections\beam.
Hope this helps

Receive all incoming beams is ticked - should it be ?
I think the problem is more to do with the COM ports. BTHtools only allows you to set the com port to COM7 - but COM7 is not available within Navmans SmartST software.

Ah ha - untick "Receive all incoming beams" (in start\settings\connections\beam) and COM7 becomes available within SmartST - everybody with problems please note !!!
It now works OK - many thanks
Alan

crippsa said:
Ah ha - untick "Receive all incoming beams" (in start\settings\connections\beam) and COM7 becomes available within SmartST - everybody with problems please note !!!
It now works OK - many thanks
Alan
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hello there , my incoming beams was already untick !!! still not working , what a mess !!!
Thank you
Janaro

Different Navman solution
After upgrading my Qtek 2020 to 1.66, SmartST would take forever to open whereas it had been reasonably quick before.
I was successful in making it work by not installing the bluetooth tools but only executing the EnableCharPin from my synched laptop.
This meant that I could pair my Navman 4410 after having checked both inbound COM4 and Outbound COM5 in Bluetooth settings. (The bluetooth tools would only provide COM7 whereas that port was not available in SmartST)
The double blinking only went away after SmartST was started.
After installing SmartST V2 the program starts fairly quickly
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LarsN said:
After upgrading my Qtek 2020 to 1.66, SmartST would take forever to open whereas it had been reasonably quick before.
I was successful in making it work by not installing the bluetooth tools but only executing the EnableCharPin from my synched laptop.
This meant that I could pair my Navman 4410 after having checked both inbound COM4 and Outbound COM5 in Bluetooth settings. (The bluetooth tools would only provide COM7 whereas that port was not available in SmartST)
The double blinking only went away after SmartST was started.
After installing SmartST V2 the program starts fairly quickly
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Ok , so I have to install Samst ST V2 !!!
Thank you
Janaro

4400 and XDAII works OK
I am using the 1.60WWE 02 ROM (Recent upgrade), a Navman 4400 and Smart ST (not 2) software, and it works a charm. I agree that BTTools should not be used but you have to use enablechar.exe to key in the PIN. I had no problems with bonding. Make sure however you un-pair all other devices (headset etc) first to give the 4400 first choice of the COM ports. As has been stated, when paired, make sure you check Com 5 outbound under Start/Settings/BT Settings (this was the main feature of the 1.60 upgrade that appealed to me), then select the same port from the GPS status screen of Smart ST.
It is working for me. I look forward to seeing Smart ST2 with its 3d view, but it is not necessary.
I think you have other problems if ST 1 doesn't work.
On another note, the amount of time taken to start the software is related to how many maps it has to process. If you only check the maps you are using (under Setup/Maps in Smart ST) it will speed things up greatly.

After first getting my XDA2 to work with my Navman 4410 using SmartST V2 and BTHTools and setting the com port to 7, I have now managed to get it working by using the standard set-up as recommended by Camstech.
By checking both the inbound and outbound boxes in start/settings/system/BlueTooth_settings and by setting COM5 within SmartST it now works fine.
Alan

Navman 4400 / 4410 and Bluetooth Headset
Very helpful dialogue here. Many thanks to all. Based on this, I am planning to purchase either a Navmean 4400 or 4410, but wondered if any of you have been able to set up the GPS and a Bluetooth headset at the same time. I don't really need to have the GPS voice prompts come through the headset (probably too much to ask at this point), but would like to be able to answer/end calls via the headset, while the GPS is active. Do any of you have BT headsets working with the 4400 / 4410 installed?

I have Navman 4400 and bluetooth headset working at the same time not a problem. I bought Namvan 4400 from Dicksmith Australia as I got it $100 off the price as it has the old 2D software mapping, but Navman Australia send the mapping software upgrades to you for free, something to consider if you can find 4400 still as the hardware is the same with 4400 and 4100 navmans.

GPS DEVICE WONT BOND!

Hey there guys,
I got a problem, obviously
I have an Emtac III GPS unit: http://www.emtac.com/products/bluetooth/datasheet_btgpsiii.html
When I try to bond it, I get a yellow Q-mark. I get that even Before I try to add the password.
Secondly, Emtac does NOT have password, i.e. most BT devices have "0000" but this one hasnt got one.
In wm5.0 you HAVE to add a password in order to be able to click "Next" when adding a device. So I tried 0000, and also 0183 (which I got from a vendor).
None of them works, so my GPS device isnt bonded correctly and therefore I cant use it with Destinator GPS (like Tom Tom).
Does anyone know a fix/trick or anything that might help me??
NOTE: It worked great with my Magician before, no hassle there. So the GPS unit is fine.
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Not much I can add, only that the vendor passkey is the right one, as stated in the manual. Good luck. In most cases where a pairing process is not working the device driver is at fault, in other words not the right one for the device. Maybe a Win Mobile 5 issue, wrong driver (since it was working on your previous device). Suggest you check if you have the latest driver. Good luck.

Hi,
I'm also having the same problem with my Emtac III and my Jamin.
Again, it worked a treat with my old XDA2.
How did you go?
Did you find a fix?
Cheers,
Dev

Hi,
I have an i-Blue GPS and when I first bonded it, it had the same Question Mark as you. I then had to set up a new outgoing com port (next tab over) and then select the GPS device and pick a com port that was available - Com6 in my case.
I then edited my navigator.cfg file to force it to pick up Com6 as I couldn't pick it up from the list within navigator.
Have you gone through the steps of adding an outgoing port? This is a necessary step.
Hope it helps.
Craig.

Thanks Cags.
No I haven't set up an outgoing port, so I'll give it a whirl.
Destinator PN is the same as it only allows a certain number of comm ports to choose from.
Any got any ideas what file on Destinator PN I need to edit?
Cheers,
Deva

Hey thedeva,
I don't have any experience with Destinator sorry and I only had to change my cfg file because the options within Navigator wouldn't allow me to choose a com port that was allowable by the phone - I only had com 5 or 6. Maybe the port that your phone allows you to pick will be permitted in Destinator.
Sorry that doesn't help too much.
Craig.

montana said:
Hey there guys,
I got a problem, obviously
I have an Emtac III GPS unit: http://www.emtac.com/products/bluetooth/datasheet_btgpsiii.html
When I try to bond it, I get a yellow Q-mark. I get that even Before I try to add the password.
Secondly, Emtac does NOT have password, i.e. most BT devices have "0000" but this one hasnt got one.
In wm5.0 you HAVE to add a password in order to be able to click "Next" when adding a device. So I tried 0000, and also 0183 (which I got from a vendor).
None of them works, so my GPS device isnt bonded correctly and therefore I cant use it with Destinator GPS (like Tom Tom).
Does anyone know a fix/trick or anything that might help me??
NOTE: It worked great with my Magician before, no hassle there. So the GPS unit is fine.
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Set up a NEW OUTGOING COM PORT on com ports tab (in bluetooth settings) - COM6 with secure connection - Open Destinator and go to gps settings and either hit find gps either put COM6 - 57600 - NMEA manually and it should work fine.
IF YOU USE DESTINATOR 6 (NEWER THAN PN) AND YOU HAVE SWICHED EMTAC GPS FROM NMEA MODE TO SIRF WITH CRUX VIEW IT WILL NOT WORK. SWICH IT BACK AGAIN TO NMEA MODE AND IT WILL WORK FINE.
Hope this one will help you out.
Cheers.

Lucas0511 said:
Not much I can add, only that the vendor passkey is the right one, as stated in the manual. Good luck. In most cases where a pairing process is not working the device driver is at fault, in other words not the right one for the device. Maybe a Win Mobile 5 issue, wrong driver (since it was working on your previous device). Suggest you check if you have the latest driver. Good luck.
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Gps don't have password on device such as HP but on qtek (HTC) yes
the Emtac PW is different than other Gps (usually oooo )
Emtac PW is : 0183
try this you will see it work

TomTom and BT GPS
I believe TomTom requires the name of the GPS to end in "GPS"... try renaming it - or deleting and re-doing the partnership.
Charlie Grillo

XDA11s problem with TomTom, BT and GPS reciever

Hi Good Peoples,
My first post here and I hope you will excuse my ignorance please. I am hoping that someone can help me, as I would pull my hair out, if I had the left. :shock:
I have an XDA 11s and I have installed TomTom software. The satellite receiver is a Haicom HI-701 BT (four in one Bluetooth) and I have a number of problems.
When I installed the GPS hardware, in the Bluetooth Services section I installed it as a serial port connection and have the enable service box ticked. Do I need any other boxes here ticked?
The Bluetooth Manager shows the Haicom shortcuts, but it does not connect on start-up. It has to be manually connected. Once it is connected, unfortunately it shows no dataflow, in either direction. I think that is the second problem. :roll:
The Bluetooth flashing light shows that the Bluetooth connection has not been made; what do I need to do to fix that?
When I start the TomTom, it shows that I have no GPS Device (now there is a surprise) and I tried to configure it using the NMEA option with 4800 baud rate. However I then have eight options ranging from infrared through to Bluetooth serial to choose from, and I'm not sure which one I should be using. I mucked around for hours and had working for about one minute, but unfortunately I can not repeat the trick.
Is there anyone out there who could be kind enough to please tell me how to configure the thing please?

XDA IIs
The XDAIIs is a BlueAngel - try posting in the correct forum next time.
Make sure that you have selected the "outgoing connection" - not the "incoming connection" when choosing the serial port in TT.
Also turn on BT and manually connect to the GPS first - somethimes I had to do that rather than rely on TT to do it for me.
You asked whether other boxes sould be ticked - what are these - I no longer have a BA and can't remember...
Charlie Grillo

oops sorry, I was not sure which forum to post it under as the BlueAngel did not specify IIs, although the picture looked like a better match.
I hate to sound like a total technical cretin but what is TT?
The other boxes are:
Authorisation requires
Authentication (Passkey) Required
Encryption required.
Thanks for the response.

TT = TomTom

I have found a fix for my XDA2 with Tom Tom and GPS BT-321 H
This was such a headache for me but through persistance - I got it working
This is how I did it
1. I downloaded - Bluetooth tool 1100 "BTHTools1100"
this help me to asisgn my Holox BT-321 to my XDA2 via bluetooth to port Com7
2. I then downloaded "GPSTuner_v5" & GPSmonitor1.1
These programes enable me to talk to my GPS and adjust PORT COM setting and also Band rate
having got these programes to work and pair with my GPS
the next step with TOM TOM6 worked fine trying different ports
All the Best to all XDA fans out there!!!

I have found a fix for my XDA2 with Tom Tom and GPS BT-321 H
This was such a headache for me but through persistance - I got it working
This is how I did it
1. I downloaded - Bluetooth tool 1100 "BTHTools1100"
this help me to asisgn my Holox BT-321 to my XDA2 via bluetooth to port Com7
2. I then downloaded "GPSTuner_v5" & GPSmonitor1.1
These programes enable me to talk to my GPS and adjust PORT COM setting and also Band rate
having got these programes to work and pair with my GPS
the next step with TOM TOM6 worked fine trying different ports
All the Best to all XDA fans out there!!!

Thanks, I have actually got it working with a combination of black magic, voodoo, good luck and threatening to trample on it. :wink: