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Bootloader 5.22 to 5.15

I have a 5.22 Bootloader and wondering how to back it up before downgrading to 5.15 from Jeff's tools.
Thanks. !
I tried with the XDATools but does not give option for Bootloader only ROM!

we made xdatools as safe as possible, no option to screw around with bootloaders.
I did create some other tools that you can use to backup your bootloader.
if you download these tools http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/tools.html
and run
Code:
pmemdump 0x80000000 0x40000 bootloader.nb0
that will save your bootloader in bootloader.nb0.
or you can use this pocketpc tool: http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/download/savebootloader.exe
it runs on your xda, and save your bootloader to a file in the root of your xda

Great thanks this works fine.... but when I run
pnewbootloader bootloader_v5_15.nb0 I get
Unable to find flash info offset, cannot disable bootloader writeprotect
I wish to upgrade to rom 4.0.x but would like to have a 5.15 wallaby before doing so. In case I need to downgrade back to 3.17.
Any help appreciated. Thanks. !
If their is no solution to this... Can I upgrade to 4.0.x and still be able to downgrade again later using another method!.

Hello,
this is the same error message I got when I tried to downgrade bootloader from 5.22 to 5.15. I was not sure if I am doing something wrong or what. I hope there is a fix to this.
Is the problem the Rom version or is it the 5.22 issue?

Use the old xdarit which gives an option to create a boot flash card. I have used this but as the developers warn this will "brick" your XDA if it goes wrong. My guess would be that you can downgrade to 3.17 on a 5.22 bootloader anyway. My advise would be to try that first because if it works theres no point in risking your bootloader and if it doesn't work you only have to reflash a 4.x image or try the old xdarit.
Richard

Thx for the reply, but the issue is how to downgrade to 3.17?
Program A is not working with this bootloader version (5.22) and I am not sure if XDArit will work with it.
Has anyone used XDArit with bootloader 5.22?

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I have bootloader 5.22 and have loaded 4.x images via flash using xdarit. I have also re-loaded bootloader 5.15 using the old xdarit to write a bootloader file.
Richard

Many thx Richard,
I do have an SD card reader (6 in 1) and I am not sure if this is the reason for the many errors I am getting when I try to use it. Recently posted posts say it could be.
I have also an image for the 5.15 bootloader.
Do I need the SD card reader to do the bootloader downgrade?

I have a six in one card reader and have the same problem you and many others have. In my case my SD card reader is disk six but I have to select disc 5 to get xdarit to see it. The bit to watch out for is to make sure that in selecting another disk it doesn't pick up your hard drive. The best way to be sure is to use the rom image tool to write a an image to your disk. Then using the old xdarit from the strat screen use the drop down list for the drives and you will see a load of data apear when you hit a valid drive you can recognise you have the right disk because you will see "Wallaby HTC" or simmilar. Then select write to disk and select 3.5k header and your 5.15 bootloader and write the file. when you put this disk in your XDA and enter bootloader mode it will offer to write it for you.
As I have said before I think you should try to write a 3.17 image to the disk first and try that. At the end of the day a corrupted rom is easy to recover from a corrupted bootloader = brick.
Also I have no problem with Program A and bootloader 5.22
Richard

No luck till now
Not sure what happened so far but I am unable to use my card reader now. Even when I connect it to a different laptop and insert an SD card from my camera, it says the card needs to be formated and even when I say ok format it, it says can't format.
When you right to the SD card using XDArit, my understanding that it will generate a file taht has the header required for bootloaders greater than 5.15. I am now ONLy trying to downgrade the bootloader. SO, the created file should be small. If you make this file available, would it be then easy to copy and pase it to a different SD card without using any tools?
Thanking yoy for your pateince

When you put your card in the SD card reader it is Windows that is offering to format it. xdarit does not need the card to be formated. If you put the card in and open xdarit can you see a string of data in the box ? If not use the drop down menu and try a different drive.
You can't (to the best of my knowledge) create a file that can be copied direct to the card because of the header required. i.e i can't email you one.
If you are having no joy reading from the card i.e you can't see the data as above try a different card perhaps the one you are using is duff.
Richard

It seems my card reader now has a problem.
I got an SD backup from an XDA that has bootloader 5.15 and the Rom CE
Now my Boatloader is 5.22 but this is what I am trying to get rid from. So, when I insert it in my device, it asks me if I want to press the action item to boot from SD. I am afraid that this will screw up my machine!
Is there a need that this file be written to the PC first then moved again to the SD card after checking the higher than 3.15 boatloader box?
Regards

If the backup you took was just the CE image then go ahead and restore the image. If you took a CE+bootloader image then you may want to transfer to your desktop and reload just the CE image but if your card reader is down I guess you can't do that. So if you have access to another XDA just redo a backup making sure you just have the CE image.
Why are you so determined to loose the 5.22 bootloader ? if it works on a 3.x image just leave it there its not doing any harm. If you are really nervous I will try a 3.x image on my XDA with 5.22 and let you know before you try on yours.
Let me know soon I live in Australia and its Friday night and the pub is calling.
Richard

You bet that I am nervous.
I would greatly appreciate your help in trying this first.
You can also e-mail me at [email protected]
Regards

I did try it and the Rom is downgraded now.
I still need to downgrade the bootloader so I can use XDAtools easily.
Will the same method work if I backup both the Win CE and Boot?

You don't need to HONHESTLY all the tools work fine on 5.22 BELEIVE me
If you must then yes is the simple answer but there is always a risk that it will go wrong and screw your XDA
Richard
Off to the pub now

OK got it all figured out!
I had:
A Rogers ATT (Canadian phone) running the Rogers ATT ROM.
Rom: R.20.x (don't remember) probably a 3.x
Radio Version: A.20.10
Bootloader: 5.22
Here are my steps. I will skip everything that went wrong on my journey and go straight to the point.
First I tried to use the new XDATools to upgrade the rom via Program A but with no sucess so used on method. !
NOTE: Their is not need in Canada to upgrade radio version cause the phone is already shipped with the latest. !
1- Used the old version of XDArit 1.0 to burn Wallaby Bootloader 5.15 from JEff's tools on my SD card (32Mb) with a Dazzle SD card reader
2- Inserted the card in my XDA and started the actual bootloader 5.22 and pressed action to download boot image.
3- Used XDATools (New version/product) to burn the SN40016wwe_vs.bin (see 4.0.16 rom is here post). (XDARit failed to get that one on the SD).
3- Inserted the card in my XDA and started the actual bootloader NOW 5.15 and pressed action to download CE image.
4- Did a soft reset and got T Mobile prompt... !
5- That's it phone works A1. !

Thanks for the info Yanick
So now u have 5.15?
What is SN40016wwe_vs.bin and where to get it from?
Is it specific to the ROm version you are upgrading to?

Hello,
I have to say I am kinda of lost now (not unusal :lol: )
I was thinking that the problem is in the boatloader but when I followed your method, my XDA seems to run 5.15 now.
Why an I still unable to use the XDAtools to write a new Rom file?
When I try to, I go as far as seeing upgrading in the laptop and on the XDA screem but then the connection (I use USB) is lost between the laptop and the XDA
When I try to upgrade the RSU (an excutable file), it goes as far as downloading the file to my XDA and restarting it to get a button saying start on my xda screen. When I press it I get the error message saying "als Failed " after 1% downloading?
If it is not the bootloader that was the problem, what is it?
Or am I having a non 100% functional bootloader now (5.15) or what?
:shock:

OK so you are running Bootloader 5.15...
Now download 4.0.16 ROM CE from
refer to this topic for download
http://xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2354
Then Use XDATools to burn image on a 64MB or greater SD card. Then Reset your PDA using (RESET + POWER) combination with the SD card already in the machine and it should prompt you to download CE .. Press Action and here you go !

can't get the xda to load from sd to upgrade to WM2003

hello,
i'm using the xdatools to put the nk file on the SD card, but when i hard reset my xda, i get into bootloader 5.22 mode, it says "gsm ok", and when i press the action button i get into a test menu.
How can i load the nk file from my sd card? please help.
thanks guys.

Did you place the ROM on the SD card by browsing to your device (...) or using the drop down and choosing your SD reader or XDA SD slot?
I had the same problem until I used the drop down... if you browse to your card, XDA tools will not create a bootable SD.

i used directy dropping down the box to SD

When you use the drop down menu on the destination there should be a drive letter next to your card eg: F: 59.60M USB sd reader or similar, choose that and it should work.

do we soft reset or hard reset
well after loading nk.nbf file
do we soft reset or hard reset to get into bootloader.
also,
the drive letter in destination folder will come if u use card reader,
but if in expansion slot than it does not give the drive letter.

Hello
I did hard reset .

I am having this same problem...
I download to the SD card through the cradle, using the phone's expansion slot. I do a SOFT RESET, to get the bootloader, and all I get is a GSM OK message. If I hit the action button, I then get into the test menu.

Hello
Means you have no nb.1 on your SD card .

as per the instructions I've been following that have been listed in detail here on this site as well as the att siemens support forums, you are supposed to copy the nk.nbf file and use that with the OS Image tool...is this incorrect?

OSImage
I just installed new ROM from new ROM Kitchen .
http://lumpistefan.dyndns.org/
1) Get the file on your desktop ( download or ...I do not care)
2) Open OSInage
3) Source :arrow: Brows to your file
4) Destination :arrow: your SD card (where is it :?: -on your phone
or on the SD card reader)
5) Copy the file to SD card (takes 20 seconds)
6) Remove the XDA from the cradle and soft reset with power button held in.
7) When it says press action to download, push the big button between dial and hangup.
8) Hard reset.
9) Injoy the rest of your day

No way getting SD-Card recognized
Hello,
i have the same problem, the ROM (Made with xda-tools or XDArit) on sd-card is not recognized to download when i boot into bootloader!
I found no way to get this running.
Any ideas?

read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=3274
most likely, your wallaby bootloader is not 5.15. Anything above 5.15 won't work. I could downgrade from 5.17 and 5.22, but not from 6.22
still awaiting for some help to down grade 6.22. Nobody seems to care. THis forum has become "too" big that it is not as effective as before ...
People tend to just "shout" and ask before digging deep enough...
too many people posting the same questions into different threads again and again

andhy said:
read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=3274
most likely, your wallaby bootloader is not 5.15. Anything above 5.15 won't work. I could downgrade from 5.17 and 5.22, but not from 6.22
still awaiting for some help to down grade 6.22. Nobody seems to care. THis forum has become "too" big that it is not as effective as before ...
People tend to just "shout" and ask before digging deep enough...
too many people posting the same questions into different threads again and again
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I'm in the same situation - I have v6.22 on T-Mobile 4.01.00ENG and can't do anything, even with an SD card!
Even the BootLoader downgrade tool with XDATools doesn't work.
Any help with this would be appreciated by many other users in the same situation.

The downgrade batch file in XDA-Tools doesn't work for a lot of people (didn't work for me either). However the wallaby patch should work. Otherwise, use XDARit to downgrade the bootloader using the .nb0 file that comes with the downgrade batch in XDA-Tools.
You write the wallaby patch onto the SD card using XDARit, go into the bootloader and enter diagnostics. Then take the SD card out, write bootloader 5.15 onto the card using the bootloader option in XDARit, and place the SD card back into the device. Then from the patched diagnostics screen select Restore SD and it will recognize a bootloader update. I'd recommend saving your original bootloader from the diagnostics first, but that wouldn't work for me for some reason.

i had a 5.17 boot loader that i downgraded to 5.15 via OS image tools, i also downloaded a rom file from the Kitchen & wrote it on SD but i still can't load from SD & i only get the test phase thing

i also downloaded a rom file from the Kitchen & wrote it on SD but i still can't load from SD & i only get the test phase thing
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Try using XDRit instead of XDA-Tools (use the older version of XDRit instead of the newer version). I'm not sure what you mean by "test phase", but maybe your bootloader screwed over during the update? If so you may need to rectify that first, but that's definately beyond me. If you burn the image correctly onto the card it should pick up automatically as soon as you enter the bootloader with 5.15. If you don't burn it correctly then it won't be picked up.
I'm just throwing in my 2c because I've made all this stuff work with a 5.15 downgrade. There's a possibility the thing simply doesn't like your card too, so try a different 64MB SD.

well i do have a 256 mb card & as far as i can tell the downgrade worked fine, now to use the xdarit files to i need to have the SD reader or i can do it the same way i do in XDAtools which is directly into the card through Active Sync

where i am going wrong!!!!!!!!

hi,
well i tried to upgrade my xda1 to windows 2003,
here is the description of the problem i m facing....
i used xda tools(osimage tool) to transfer nk.nbf file to my sd card-> go into bootloader(wallaby bootloader 5.17)
->says gsm ok and starts taking test(like tap test, recording test, sd card test etc) which it should not...
and is not loading the os software. (getting stuck in one of the test like sd card test)
well following things i tried:
1. transfered nk.nbf file, tried both from siemens site as well as from yorche.net site--->both giving same problem.------->using xdatools.
2. tried loading the sd ,tried both destinations -->xda slot and as well as the card reader.
3. using drop down only to choose the destination.
4. also after loading sd the current rom asks to format (which means sd is loaded properly)
5. initially it was not loading the bootloader then i fixed it using xda tools , after that i started getting wallaby bootloader 5.17
6. now after going to bootloader it starts taking various test and shows no sign of loading the new os.
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now i have moved as per the instruction and tried everything mentioned above to install wk3 but all in vain....
dont know where the problem seems to lie....
need suggestions desperately...
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current rom:3.17.03
stack:4.21
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current rom working ok.
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maybe it's a problem with the nbf file content ... did u try burning the nbf file directly to the ROM using the XDAtools ?

You arent hitting any other button when entering bootloader are you? Just press the stylus in reset while holding power, it shouldnt go into test mode unless another button is pushed, maybe you have a button stuck or something.

any more suggestions............
well if burning means choosing source to nk.nbf and destination to drop down
to sd card using xda tools then yes i did burning....
also i m sure no other buttons are pressed or thing like that....
any more suggestions............

I meant by burning to make the destination to be the XDA flash ROM

any more..
ya i tried burning to.,...
same problem.

can your sdcard reader read whats on the sdcard (it's not suppose to be able to read after it's been flashed with the rom)
also are you 100% sure that your nbf file is valid ? maybe it's broken

more suggestions ....
well after loading sd card , i cant browse to read it, moreover xda asks to format, which is the sign that card is loaded ok.
secondly i have tried nk.nbf file from siemens as well as yorche.net,
both should not give same problem, which it is.

this mention the 5.17 bootloader you should read it
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/WallabyBootloader

Rudegar said:
this mention the 5.17 bootloader you should read it
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/WallabyBootloader
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The best way that I've found is to find somebody with a XDA that has the 5.15 bootloader then do a CE+BOOT TO SD then do a SD restore.
Sounds like a good project for some of the ROM Kitchen owners doesn't! :wink:

How to get OS back from just BOOT Loader?

Hi all,
I have been reading your post in your forum for days. I noticed that there are post on how to re-install the Imagine from the bootloader but none really telling how to do it.
I know i'm supposed to write the OS image on an SD card plug it into the O2 XDA and reboot, but i don't know how to write the ROM image to the SD card. I have a SD writer/reader attached to my PC and I have a 64 MB SD card. Can someone please write about the procedure of getting an OS ROM back on to the PDA with only the bootloader? I can't use Activesync.
Thank You all!!!

You have to use the XDAtools.
Download and installl them. Then right click on the image to write an select write to sd.
After finishing writing on the SD insert the card in your device press the power button and stick into the reset button. After releasing the reset and the power button, the bootloader will come up. It will show you the message OS detected on the card press the action button to download. Press on the button and the image is going to be transferd to your device. Afet finishing, you have to do a cold boot. That's all...
HTH
Stefan

Thank you but.....
Hello Stefan,
Thanks for your kind help!! Just wanted to make sure.
1. I got the XDAtools and installed it.
2. I run the OSimageTool, and i get a form with 2 fields. (destination and source)
3. I can just click on the button with "..." to select a file such as "NK.nb1" as source, then destination can be my SD card drive.
so in conclusion, I copy this one image(file) to my SD card. Stick in my SD card and follow your instructions and it should work right?
Please advise,
Thanks again man for the advice.....
Chad

Yep.
That's all you have to do....
Stefan

Problem upgrading from SD-Card
Hello,
When i write a new rom on my SD-Card with OSImagetool or XDArit and insert it into my device, starting bootloader the new rom is not recognized by my device. (There is no upgrade dialog)
Bootloader 5.22, XDA

This is a known situation Bootloader 5.22 will not download rom via SD card. My suggestion is to downgrade your bootloader to 5.15 or thereabout. You can find how in this forum.

No SD-Card Update
Thx
but when i save my "corrupt" ROM via Bootload to SD an do an reboot, the update will be recognized! When i take out the card an reinsert it into the device the update will not be recognized!
Sounds like a crazy problem?

How can i downgrade my bootloader
How can i downgrade my bootloader without having an running OS?
And without getting my SD-Card recognized?
THX

[guide] How to make an SD Rom Flash Image

[Your SD card will be formatted in a special format during the procedure below and you won't be able to use it for other purposes unless you reformat it again afterwards. Please be adviced that you will lose the backed up ROM on SD card when you format it afterwards again!!!!]
I successfully created a FLASH IMAGE on my SD card and afterwards flashed my T-MOBILE MDA from there.
The magic tool needed for this is the HTC mtty.exe (attached below)
You have to follow exactly the STEP-BY-STEP guide otherwise the procedure will fail! I will not be responsible for any damage on your device!
Please make sure that your battery is charged to at least 50% and also back up your device before following the guide below!
CREATING THE IMAGE ON SD CARD
STEP 1
Open ActiveSync (device not attached) and uncheck USB and COM port in Connection Settings. This is necessary to release the USB port for the mtty utility!
STEP 2
Get you an SD card of 128MB or bigger (fresh formated to FAT32) and insert it in your WIZARD
STEP 3
Set the Wizard in BOOTLOADER MODE by pressing and holding POWER + CAMERA and press RESET - if you got the 3-colored screen you were successful!
STEP 4
Connect the device via USB to the computer, then start the mtty.exe on your computer
STEP 5
Settings in the mtty.exe:
Port: \\.\WSCUSBSH001
(all other settings leave the way they are! Please pay attention that you write the port exactly as mentioned above: 2 backslashes followed by a dot and another backslash - this is not a typo!!! I attached a screenshot below)
STEP 6
Now click OK. You will get a notepad-like window with a blinking cursor. After hidding the ENTER KEY once you should see "CMD>"
Type behind that: r2sd all
STEP 7
The utility will start now to write your IMAGE to SD. Please do not interrupt the process! You can see its progress on a statusbar on the bottom of the device's screen. Wait until it shows 100%. Also: the CMD> will appear again on your desktop when it is done.
You created successfully your IMAGE on SD!
HOW TO FLASH FROM THE SD CARD ???
Turn of your device!
Insert the SD card with the IMAGE you've created
Turn on your device in BOOTLOADER MODE by pressing and holding CAMERA and POWER button and performing RESET
=> Now you need to be fast!!! A white screen will appear for not longer than 3 seconds asking you if you want to FLASH from SD card. You have to press the VOICE DIAL / RECORD button within that time frame otherwise it will switch to 'normal' bootloader mode.
That's it!
NOTE:
Do not wonder! You won't be able to read the SD card afterwards on a Windows computer - I just tried it. I guess the procedure above formats the card in a special format, at least Windows tells me that the card is not formatted! So, the draw back is that you can't use the card for other stuff but the ROM IMAGE!

Very nice article. A couple of typos, but overall very well written!
Just out of curiosity, I've seen another thread on making an SD image of a rom, but it indicates you have to be CID Unlocked for it to work. Is that true for this method also (I haven't compared the two)? Just curious as that is an important piece of information (either way) to make note of... So if someone with a CID Locked phone could try this, that would be great.
Also curious if this works for G3 and G4 devices.

I can't try it out on a CID locked device since mine is CID unlocked already!
The guide above is for real HTC technicans, so, I guess it should work either way!
If somebody has a still CID locked device: it would be great if you could give it a shot!

Does this uittlity make a ROM image as the OS is NOW (meaning with all tweaks and installs and everything) or just the basic ROM as you would get with a hard reset?

It is not a backup. It will put the factory ROM on SD card.
The actual image with all your 'tweaks and personalization' can be easily backed up to SD card by using SPB Backup or better SPB Clone.

Does this method work for wm6 ROM?I am a vista user

Not sure if the MTTY can connect from VISTA but in gerneral: it should work with any ROM version on your WIZ.

well,can we place our .nbf image file (wm6) on sd card and install it from the sd card?

Not this way! It will create a special formatted FLASH IMAGE from your installed ROM on SD. When you do it you won't be able to use the SD card for data storage until you reformat it again.
I am not sure if somebody came up with a solution for flashing nbf files directly from SD!
The procedure above is still helpful if you just need a backup of your shipped ROM or if you need to reflash an almost dead WIZ or if you have the need to reflash your WIZ on the go without a computer ...

Hi
I have a frozen **** brick which got stuck while upgrading (Dopodp800w) I tried to flash it thru sd card (which containes original nbh file in my doc folder).
When I try to invoke the bootloader it says "searching for sd card" then goes to 3 color band and nothing else happenes
Can you help me

Edit: Working like a champ.
But you need to edit the one in the topic. It dose not work. The one in the screen shot dose.
Thanks.

A couple of questions
Junner2003 said:
NOTE:
Do not wonder! You won't be able to read the SD card afterwards on a Windows computer - I just tried it. I guess the procedure above formats the card in a special format, at least Windows tells me that the card is not formatted! So, the draw back is that you can't use the card for other stuff but the ROM IMAGE!
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Great finding Junner!
Can I use "your" rom image to flash "my" phone? Or the image is unique for the one you got the image from?
Could you please investigate with your HTC Technician if this process is valid for both G3s & G4s?
Thanks!

Basically you will be able to use it on any phone!
My problem is that I only had 2 test devices: an European T-Mobile MDA VARIO and a 8125 from Cingular / USA. I could use one and the same image (SD card) on booth devices.
I have no CID lock and also no SIM lock on both devices, so, I can't give you a feedback on what happens if your device is locked.
Maybe somebody else has still a locked device and is willing to give it a try before unlocking? (But please somebody with experience! I won't be responsible if you brick your device! )

Is there any way I can take the Flash Image from the SD and convert it to nb file?

WizeMan said:
Is there any way I can take the Flash Image from the SD and convert it to nb file?
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Hmmm, you would have to figure out first in what format the SD card is formatted. Afterwards you might be able to find an application which can extract the file(s) from the card.
I did not want to digg deeper than I had to, it was only importand to me that I can flash from SD when ever I cross the ocean from USA to Europe. That saves me a lot of 'setting up's' ... ... just flash and load backup!

Not working on CID locked
Junner2003 said:
Basically you will be able to use it on any phone!
My problem is that I only had 2 test devices: an European T-Mobile MDA VARIO and a 8125 from Cingular / USA. I could use one and the same image (SD card) on booth devices.
I have no CID lock and also no SIM lock on both devices, so, I can't give you a feedback on what happens if your device is locked.
Maybe somebody else has still a locked device and is willing to give it a try before unlocking? (But please somebody with experience! I won't be responsible if you brick your device! )
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I tried in a G3 & also in a G4, both CID locked 8125´s. It didn´t work, see attached file for the message I got; looks for me that the CID unlock gives the proper security level to do make the command work. I´ll unlock one of them to see if the result is a different one.